Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by mirmir3

Most of us are against routine vaccinations in general. [........] I read a very interesting study (I believe it came out last year - I'll try to locate it in my files) about mortality rates in seniors who recieved flu vaccination vs. those that did not. The rates of hospitalization and mortality were actually higher in the vaccinated group. Unfortunately, any studies that do not support big pharms, get burried... There are so many scare tactics out there - big pharma and the media are doing us all a huge disservice.

As an aside, thank you for filling me in on the Betty Boop thing.

If you do find the article would you send me a link. You may pm it to me if that is preferable. I would be interested in reading it. Thank you.
As far as the Betty Boop, you are welcome.

[McLurkypants]

Lots more source documents are now available in PDF format thru the Riverside Courts website. Regarding the deposition, ran across this in the Memo of Points & Authorities in support of the Ex Parte Application for Writ of Attachment:

The scope of the [Nov. 1] deposition will be limited to the location of documents, witnesses, and assets of the defendants and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of the owners of the Kimkins business. The inquiries will include true the identities of the Kimkins models.

So this first set of depositions is primarily to identify & secure assets (or gather evidence of hidden assets). I noted that a Request for Documents was also mentioned - and Hidey requested to bring those documents to the Nov. 1 deposition.

All that said, I expect that there will be attempts by the defendants to delay things every step of the way. That's how litigation goes - the wheels of justice turn slowly. But as you can see, THEY DO TURN.

Patience, Grasshoppers....

[Katinsac]

No interest in the FG? Seemed to me there were all kinds of questions every day!!

[TerryC]

Originally Posted by mirmir3

Most of us are against routine vaccinations in general. Most are especially adamant against flu, mmr, and chicken pox vaccinations - There are many nutritional supportives that are preferable IMO (actually I'm writing an article on Cold & FLu season for one of the chiro journals at the moment)...

As for what healthcare providers recommend, it depends on their license type. Just like a dentist can not legally say anything negative against amalgam fillings, there are many who won't put one into a patient's mouth (and many who make a fortune removing existing amalgams from patients mouths). Pediatricians get a lot of incentive to recommend vaccinations. Most happily vaccinate their patients. DO's tend to be more open to the anti-vaccination movement. Nurses are a crap-shoot -- it really depends on their background. If they have any sort of alternative bent, then they are more apt to be in favor of selective vaccination, single component vaccination, or no vaccination. Legally, every healthcare practitioner is supposed to educate their patients on the relative risks and benefits of any procedure. This is 'informed consent'. In my experience, vaccine pushers do not give parents informed consent, but rather try to steamroll or bully them into 'standardized' vaccination schedules.

Sorry if I come off harsh when it comes to vaccinations, but I cringe at the thought of what we are doing to our newest generations. I can't stand medical bullies (and we have run into our share over the years ). I read a very interesting study (I believe it came out last year - I'll try to locate it in my files) about mortality rates in seniors who recieved flu vaccination vs. those that did not. The rates of hospitalization and mortality were actually higher in the vaccinated group. Unfortunately, any studies that do not support big pharms, get burried... There are so many scare tactics out there - big pharma and the media are doing us all a huge disservice.

As an aside, thank you for filling me in on the Betty Boop thing.

mirmir - I'm right there with you on this whole issue. I hated having to vaccinate my children, but I don't remember anyone ever telling me I had a choice. I have one that's grown already, so she missed the whole chicken pox vaccine thing (and had them when she was 5). And I have one that's 10 that got the vaccine for chicke pox. He never had the chicken pox and I worry about the future, if he gets them as an adult. I never felt I had a choice though. I thought it was the law.

Any - back on the subject of this thread - that's great that Heidi got served!

[ShellyW]

With membership to kk dont you get a personal trainer included with membership?

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

No interest in the FG? Seemed to me there were all kinds of questions every day!!

Well, if KK is suppose to be Fast Weight Loss with no exercise...then why would there be a lot of interest?? (not to dismiss what you just said Kat...er Amy)

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by ShellyW

With membership to kk dont you get a personal trainer included with membership?

there used to be access to a certified athletic trainer (me) and when I left that was removed from the membership

[ShellyW]

but everyone who signed up with that access shouldnt they still be getting it? I mean its a life time membership and If people originally signed up with access they should still be getting it.. shouldnt they??

[anipomoni]

Sorry for the OT!
I go to a holistic doctor, and I don't get the flu vaccine. That being said, my great grandfather lost his leg as a small child b/c of polio. I'm sure he would have taken a vaccine if there was one.
People who are adamantly opposed to all vaccines scare me with their lack of knowledge on epidemiological issues. I'm not surprised, as they are so complex, but too little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

My sister in law is a dentist who does various fillings, including mercury amalgam. I've asked her about the mercury issue and she said there has been no evidence that they are dangerous. I know if she thought there was any issue whatsoever she would point us (her family) to other options. I have more fillings that anyone I know. Ever since I was a child, I've had the most horrible teeth. I just did a heavy metal test and was really expecting high mercury levels...I was surprised to find that that's not the case at all.

No offense, but I have to take eveything a chiro says with a grain of salt. Sort of like everything Tom Cruise says .
(for those that don't know, many many chiropracters are scientologists)

[gibster]

Originally Posted by TerryC

mirmir - I'm right there with you on this whole issue. I hated having to vaccinate my children, but I don't remember anyone ever telling me I had a choice. I have one that's grown already, so she missed the whole chicken pox vaccine thing (and had them when she was 5). And I have one that's 10 that got the vaccine for chicke pox. He never had the chicken pox and I worry about the future, if he gets them as an adult. I never felt I had a choice though. I thought it was the law.

It's been many years since my kids were in school, but I know that here in Illinois, a child was required to be vaccinated before being allowed to attend school.

Hey.....how come all you people are impersonating me?? (I'm the one true Amy!)

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by mirmir3

[.....]
The rates of hospitalization and mortality were actually higher in the vaccinated group. Unfortunately, any studies that do not support big pharms, get burried... There are so many scare tactics out there - big pharma and the media are doing us all a huge disservice.

off topic-
I neglected to comment on this portion of your post earlier.
Just to state where I stand on things, I am not convinced all vaccinations are necessary for our children, but do believe that those at high risk in the adult population and even a limited number, in the pediatric population, should receive an influenza vaccine.

There is a certain level of skepticism that I use when reading any medical literature based on who funded the study and what the stated objected was of that study. However, the theory that the studies that result in demonstrating a negative impact from vaccines, are not readily available, because it would not benefit the big pharmaceutical companies, does not seem to compute for me.

Not to sound cruel but it would reason that the pharmaceutical companies would benefit more by individuals not having vaccines thus contracting the full blown disease along with potential complication that need to be treated.
With that said then it would stand to reason, that to bury the studies that demonstrate that vaccines are not beneficial, would appear to conflict with what most big pharmaceutical companies are in the business of doing and that is selling pharmaceutics to sick patients.

Of course, the influenza vaccines are manufactured by a pharmaceutical company, therefore there is a level of profit there, but with that in mind the amount of medications that could be sold to treat the flu once contracted would be astronomical and that is not including the secondary infections that would require intervention as well.

If the idea is that there are a subset of the population that does not even get the flu vaccine, as we have both said, then that would be one limiting profit factor. Then with the manufacturing limitation brought on by how the flu vaccine is prepared, which often results is limited quantity, produces another limitation that would result in a limit amount of money yielded from the flu vaccine when compared to the totally unlimited profits produced by the unlimited number of the population that could contract the flu if not vaccinated. This does not include the treatment of secondary disease or the chronic diseases of patients that could be exacerbated from the flu.

Roche, a huge pharmaceutical company, would love to sell all the Tamiflu that they could pump out. Then as I said earlier the secondary infections such as pneumonia would really please Pfizer with their Zithromax sales, Glaxo Wellcome with inhaled steroid sales and so on.

Again, I am not totally sold on the entire necessity of all vaccines but I do find that the pharmaceutical companies in general would benefit from any pandemic outbreak of a disease.
Just my take on the where the buck stops.

ON Topic- From your post it does read like you are open to alternative medicine. What is your take on 'Dr.' Mark for one- stating he is a Primary Care Physician with his education being noted as Doctor of Oriental Medicine. Then two- him being titled as "Dr." when the institute he is noted as attending is believed to be only accredited for a Masters degree in Chinese medicine not a Doctorate?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by ShellyW

but everyone who signed up with that access shouldnt they still be getting it? I mean its a life time membership and If people originally signed up with access they should still be getting it.. shouldnt they??

I would think so Shelly, but shoot my honeybee screen name gets TOS violation and no forum access in my lifetime membership.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by gibster

It's been many years since my kids were in school, but I know that here in Illinois, a child was required to be vaccinated before being allowed to attend school.

Hey.....how come all you people are impersonating me?? (I'm the one true Amy!)

Gibster I think your avatar...is ummmmm....::clears throat:: showing your true identity there. Yowzaa!

[susique333]

Originally Posted by gibster

It's been many years since my kids were in school, but I know that here in Illinois, a child was required to be vaccinated before being allowed to attend school.

Hey.....how come all you people are impersonating me?? (I'm the one true Amy!)

I chose not to vaccinate my kids after a neighborhodd boy became paralyzed from the MMR vaccine, coupled with my son having a severe reaction to his Jr. high vaccines. Thus all the rest of the kids didnt receive anymore shots. Our Dr agreed to this. I sign a paper when they go to school stating medical reasons for no vaccines, and there is also a religious form too.
DOJ Vaccine Compensation Program - About the Program
Enclosed is the US Governments site that gives compensation to families with vaccine injured children.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by ShellyW

but everyone who signed up with that access shouldnt they still be getting it? I mean its a life time membership and If people originally signed up with access they should still be getting it.. shouldnt they??

hense part of the fraud....

[WildAngel6]

[quote=gibster;9432039]It's been many years since my kids were in school, but I know that here in Illinois, a child was required to be vaccinated before being allowed to attend school.

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It's the same here in California too. In fact, the schools are much better at reminding us that it's time for a certain immunization or booster than the Doctor's office is.

If you aren't current and up to date on all your immunizations and boosters, you don't get to go to school. Period. Until everything is brought up to date.

I think the only way you can get around it is by citing religious beliefs.


BTW, just in case I forgot to mention,

I am Amy.

[TerryC]

I have a question for some of you smart legal types (Mclurky comes to mind) in regard to the NOTICE OF APPLICATION AND HEARING FOR RIGHT TO ATTACH ORD AND FOR WRIT OF ATTACHMENT filed in the case...Does this mean that there is now some kind of hold on heidi's accounts or just an application for a hearing to decide if one can be issued?

I read the documents, but I am still unclear on this.

(and I am Amy too, even though it says Terry)

[JustKim]

can someone post a quick link to the court documents again to save wading back through everything

[TerryC]

Originally Posted by JustKim

can someone post a quick link to the court documents again to save wading back through everything

http://public-access.riverside.court...ov/OpenAccess/

[JustKim]

Thank you!!!

[juniper01]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

No offense, but I have to take eveything a chiro says with a grain of salt. Sort of like everything Tom Cruise says .
(for those that don't know, many many chiropracters are scientologists)

Um...Maybe in your area, but certainly not here. I wouldn't be walking around straight without my chiropractor, and he is an egnostic. My last chiropractor was Swiss Apostolic, the one before that was a woman that swore like a trooper, smoked like a chimney and was Catholic. It probably depends on what part of the country you come from. I have great resect for chiropractors, it seems they are are more aware of the body and it's functions than most medical doctors. I don't want you to think I was offended, but I do think it was too broad a statement.

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

off topic-
...... However, the theory that the studies that result in demonstrating a negative impact from vaccines, are not readily available, because it would not benefit the big pharmaceutical companies, does not seem to compute for me.

Not to sound cruel but it would reason that the pharmaceutical companies would benefit more by individuals not having vaccines thus contracting the full blown disease along with potential complication that need to be treated.
With that said then it would stand to reason, that to bury the studies that demonstrate that vaccines are not beneficial, would appear to conflict with what most big pharmaceutical companies are in the business of doing and that is selling pharmaceutics to sick patients.

........

Roche, a huge pharmaceutical company, would love to sell all the Tamiflu that they could pump out. Then as I said earlier the secondary infections such as pneumonia would really please Pfizer with their Zithromax sales, Glaxo Wellcome with inhaled steroid sales and so on.

Again, I am not totally sold on the entire necessity of all vaccines but I do find that the pharmaceutical companies in general would benefit from any pandemic outbreak of a disease.
Just my take on the where the buck stops.

.....

You're neglecting the fact that many of our vaccines only protect against the predicted strains of flu, pneumonia, HPV... so they can stick it to you with the shot, AND with the treatment for the other fifty or so strains.

I also read recent AIDS vaccine reports that links people who got the real shot in trials to an INCREASED risk of contracting the virus. That has been my experience with the flu shot, and I don't get one any more.

I vaccinate against the stuff that I couldn't handle the consequences of - and I don't against the rest. i.e. Polio generally cripples or worse. Definitely got that shot. Chicken pox, although it can kill, generally makes you itch for a week - and is worse in teenagers and adults - and the shot wears off... so we're waiting until they're 11, if they don't have immunity then - we'll get the shot. Hepatitis A waited until daycare, Hep B is waiting until older - MMR happened because Measles deafened my sister.

Texas lets you exempt your children based on religion, medical contraindications, or personal beliefs that the vaccine is not best for your child - but I've butted heads with some pediatricians who felt that vaccination is wonderful and refused to treat my child unless I consented to the vaccination...

I counter with my own legal form stating that, as it is absolute medical certainty that there are no side effects related to the vaccine, known or as yet undiscovered, that the physician administering the vaccine accepts absolute legal and financial liability for the lifetime care of my child should he become injured, ill, or otherwise receive harm that can be linked to the vaccine.... To me, that makes sense - since without it, I am taking their reassurance and tagging my child's future on something I'm not comfortable with.

Haven't had a doc willing to sign that yet, but it generally gets them to stop telling me how safe the vaccine is.

Steph

[mirmir3]

Originally Posted by gibster

It's been many years since my kids were in school, but I know that here in Illinois, a child was required to be vaccinated before being allowed to attend school.

All States have exemptions. Most offer three types of exemptions: Medical, Religious, or Philosophical. Some only allow for 2 of the three. If I recall, Mississippi and WV have the strictest exemption requirements.

I always *love* it when schools tell parents that they are mandatory for enrollment, but don't tell them the whole story. They tried pulling that one on us when we registered the kids for school in Michigan. I pulled out a copy of the state law and a waiver form and did not hear another peep about it.