Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[Jazlyn]

Just remember...when you do fast water is not necessary. Diet coke may be substituted.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by LosingToLive

Now you can enjoy Cheryl's company on the "ignore list".

*runs off to yell at hubby*

LOL! Poor hubby

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Mrs...Welcome Back...we missed you!! Glad you had a nice time.

Thanks! Missed you all, too.

Originally Posted by gibster

Wecome home, MrsM! I always said "You can't take a bad picture in Ireland!" I have tons of photos, and each one is beautiful!

I can't believe some of my photos. I'm just starting to resize them. I took over 400 pics in 8 days. lol. Gorgeous, gorgeous place!

Originally Posted by Mallory

Not sure if this has been posted yet..but from Kimkins Dangers..


"Fitness Guru Gone!
After wondering why Fitness Guru hadn't been posting after his last comment that no diet should ever go lower than 1200 calories, which is completely NOT Kimkins... we did a bit of research with some help.

We finally received an email from Nick Clark, aka Fitness Guru stating that he is no longer associated with Kimkins.com.

The email did not contain any information about why or if he has been banned.

Now to convince "Dr." Mark to take a leaf from Fitness Guru's book."

Wow! Would be great to know if he left on his own or not.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Interesting....BBB post:

BBB REVIEWS/ MY RESPONSE TO THE NEGATIVITY 3 Hours, 41 Minutes ago Here is my review to the BBB

Are you kidding me? First, I am a member of the Kimkins online community and it has been a wonderful experience. I have more than 30 years of dieting experience, so I feel more than qualified. If you are interested here is my resume:
1) Weight Watchers....more times than I can count
2) System 7......twice
3) Diet Workshop.....more than 5 times
4) Weigh Down workshop....once
5) LAPBAND....once
6) Do it yourself'ers.....more than a dozen.
7) Hospital _base_d Liquid Diet....twice

Kimkins works for me. I have never felt bad. I see the doctor once every two months(and he approves wholeheartedly). I no longer take Diabetes medicine, cholesterol medicine, or high blood pressure medicine. I feel great. I am not losing my hair. This is the one for me that is working.

For those of you crying about your $60, have you never lost money to any other diet product. Apparently, you just gained weight and this is the first diet you tried. Let me tell you that diets are not one size fits all. From someone who had a lifetime of spending money on this diet or that diet, this piece of fitness equiptment or that piece of fitness equiptment, I have been told things that didn't actually pan out as the truth for me. I spent $17,000 on a LAPBAND (no insurance and still paying for it) that I only got to keep for 6 months. Guess what, it worked for others, but not for me. I never once blamed the manufacturer, the doctor, the inventor, etc. IT DIDN'T WORK, I'M OVER IT. --By the way, I'm just a working stiff and $17,000 is a lot of money to me. I just took the high road and chose not to berate anyone on BBB, so that I
could ruin it for others. I still think the LAPBAND is a great tool for the obese to get a handle on their weight issues. I wish I had someone who would listen to me cry over my $17,000.
Yes, I thought I could lose weight with SLIMFAST, even with more than 25g of sugar a can. Yes, I though I could lose weight with WeightWatchers, just make sure to count the points in those Ho Ho's.
Thank goodness you only lost $60, anymore and you would have lost your mind.
As for Kimmers, Heidi, or whoever you are. Thank you. If the success stories weren't true, you aren't the first to have done it. Ever looked at the TrimSpa commercials. Do you think those models haven't been "worked on". Ever looked at before and after photos. Think they haven't been worked on.
I am very happy with this diet. I will work it as long as it works for me. If it ever stops working or if I feel bad, my doctor doesn't like something, etc. then I will be a responsible adult and move on.
For the record, I have never been told to use laxatives or keep my calories at a very low level.
For those of you who lost $60, sorry! I hope it isn't keeping food off your table or heat out of your home, but for goodness sakes, GET OVER IT.
For the record further, I agree with a previous review, the verbage in the negative posts is very similar and it seems to be the same person posting over and over again. Someone has way to much time on their hands. Maybe they should get a job to earn $60 or exercise to help with their weight issues.
Finally, I am a PAYING member of Kimkins. I am not an employee or affiliate. Just an average Joe trying to lose weight.
Bolding mine....thought that was interesting.

I love how the focus seems to be on the money issue and not the health issues. I've dieted on and off the majority of my life so I must be an expert too.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Dr Mark comments on TTs VLCs:

Very low calorie diets 31 Minutes ago Good info.


I have read of stories about this from texts over 2400 years old. Especially where holy men or monks learn, over time, to live on little more than sunlight, air, and a bit of water and rice.

There is a current documentary about the "science of Star Wars -the force"....yes, I am getting a little geeky here.....
In part of this program they show the lives of shao lin monks in the mountains of china. They look very young, very very healthy, and calm. They exercise everyday, perform amazing feats of strength and power and eat very little. They attribute this to breathing, clear minds and meditating. They are not small in statue either. Many of them look as though they bodybuild. The show is worth watching just for the two finger handstand that one of the monks performs.

There was also a study done about 5 years ago that checks the overall health of average americans over "bums" in europe. The street people that were generally very thin and ate only what they could scrounge or beg for, were in much better overall health.


One more story to note.
In the early 1900's a proponent of fasting wanted to quiet all disbelievers once and for all. He decided to walk from NYC to Chicago without food, only water!. He had a team of doctors and others following him to make sure his health was good and he did not cheat. He made it 31 days before having to stop. He still felt great, and energetic, averaging 20 miles a day, but as he began to enter the mountains the fat pad that makes up the heal had become so thin he was risking stress fractures. There were no "Air Max's" back then, only leather soled shoes. The doctors noted that other than that, he was in perfect health.


Much of what we experience when food is with held or certain things are restricted is our body system changing. Detoxification, digestion resting, your body _meta_bolizing fat for energy, these all "feel" different. Much is also in the mind and what we expect that we need as well.


Good "food" for thought huh?

Dr. Mark

This guy gives information in bits and pieces that can really be dangerous. To some this would be permission to eat as they are or lower calories even more since they'd feel they're far from fasting so what's the big deal? ugh. And that "feel" different comment ... how many will ignore not feeling well because it may just be feeling different? argh!

[Jazlyn]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I love how the focus seems to be on the money issue and not the health issues. I've dieted on and off the majority of my life so I must be an expert too.

Yeah, no kidding. I also love how she thinks she can do this for the rest of her life when she can't stick to anything else. Sure it works. Why wouldn't it? You are starving yourself. But all of those other diets work too.

[Jazlyn]

On the front of the kimkins site someone said they lost 17 lbs in a week. How can they think that is a good thing?

[MidwestMommy]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

On the front of the kimkins site someone said they lost 17 lbs in a week. How can they think that is a good thing?

Sounds like they watched the Biggest Loser last week where the guy gained 17 pounds from the week before. Guess someone on the K site figured if someon can gain 17 in a week, then they can have someone who lost 17 in a week

[BobbiOh]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

On the front of the kimkins site someone said they lost 17 lbs in a week. How can they think that is a good thing?

Is that even biologically possible? Other than amputation?

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by LosingToLive

Now you can enjoy Cheryl's company on the "ignore list".

*runs off to yell at hubby*

Originally Posted by susique333

Did I read this right, she says she "used to" drink 7 drinks a day with 4oz of rum in each....28 oz of rum?? How could she function, let alone parent??? She used to chastize us if we didnt measure every handful of lettuce, makes me wonder if she ever measured the rum.

Kimmer 5-13-06 LCF
Were you sleepy after the rum & diet coke. You probably know that if someone hasn't been drinking for a period of time, the effects of alcohol are sudden.

Cheryl, the following is about me, not you

Oh, Cheryl, we were talking about you, LOL! Sorry, reminescing! Are you taking vitamins? Do you think it was the heaviness of the Ruby Tuesday lunch? Did you see the other thread about LC meals may not be healthy? Ruby is used an example of being significantly over on carbs & calories.

I almost forgot about her saying I had a drinking problem. OMG if I had one or two rum/diet cokes on a Sunday around the pool she was yelling at me. Now mind you - that wasn't even EVERY Sunday - maybe every other Sunday when my mom would come for a swim/bbq. Then to find out she has a drinking problem - just blew my mind.

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

This guy gives information in bits and pieces that can really be dangerous. :

back .... we missed you!!!! I'm glad you had a great trip....

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Yeah, I understand SMP...just wishful thinking on my part. If she does not show (which I really do not expect her to), would there be paperwork filed then stating she did not show? Because this is just a deposition, could they state she automatically loses the case or does that only happen if they went to trial? I have no clue about the law other than I do not want to break it! lol

I just asked my DH and he said (if Calif. law is the same as Wisconsin), if Heidi doesn't show up - the attorney will go to the court and the court can demand her appearance. If she doesn't show up then - they will issue a warrant!

[Mayberryfan]

Honeybee said:

I just get frustrated that the only way the supporters of kimkins defend kimkins, is to say how horrible those who argue effectively about its weaknesses are and how bad other diets have worked.

As usual HB, you are on to something. This is the hallmark of a weak argument. Personal attacks on the people who have valid questions about the safety of the diet are all they've got because they do not have the facts to back up their claims that KK's is a perfectly safe WOE.

Tippy and SL and any other admin(ions) who may be left over at KK's are like little kids on the playground who try to bully others into their way of thinking. It doesn't work for long in the 1st grade and it won't work now.

Who would've thunk it? Tippy trying 1st grade tactics?

[ShellyW]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I just asked my DH and he said (if Calif. law is the same as Wisconsin), if Heidi doesn't show up - the attorney will go to the court and the court can demand her appearance. If she doesn't show up then - they will issue a warrant!

Where in WI? I am in WI

[Diana]

Thread jack....

Originally Posted by ShellyW

Where in WI? I am in WI

Go Packers!!!!
(I used to live in WI... Wisconsin Rapids....)

[ShellyW]

I am in Janesville, near Madison

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Probably the same person who wrote the eight fascination threads using various noms de plumes over here .

yep, it's all ME, ME, ME...i have more handles than i know what to do with

heidi!

[susique333]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

Me doing Atkins=
Losing slowly...40 lbs since January
Going off plan...from Sept 7th till 2 days ago
Quit exercizing...from Sept 7th to Oct 12th (had surgery)
Gained back...NOTHING

Be happy with your handfull of lettuce for the rest of your life. Yeah kimkins works and you can lose 50 lbs a week..but for how long?

Jaz you are SO right. I lost so much weight on Kimkins and once I went off plan...and by off I mean adding SOME carbs back, not a whole bunch of calories. BAM! My weight shot up like a rocket! Im not kidding when I say I gained to the tune of about 4-5#s a week . It was like watching kimkins in reverse. Took me quite awhile to not feel super tired too. Grrrrrrr

[susique333]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

On the front of the kimkins site someone said they lost 17 lbs in a week. How can they think that is a good thing?

My husband is a retired paramedic. I posed that Q to him to see what he said. He thought a moment and then said that he felt someone who lost 17#s in a week had edema issues. Then he went on to say that kind of water loss can cause a horrid potassium imbalance.

[HoneyBee2]

Fitness Guru in Coconut Grove-
I think this is the new Fitness Guru site and it has the group pic that I posted for anyone to comment on as to whether it is Nick Clark (FG) or not.
but maybe the picture to the right on his website is a better one to view....Doesn't that look like the guy (fit Guru) that was pictured in the old website that used to be linked on the kimkins site?
FG site?

I think his old website that he referenced on kimkins was an old picture and he is more built now....Why do I say this?

Well, the picture on that new website that I just posted was just taken on 9-22-2007. You know we all use whatever pics we have but he not have those new ones yet because they were just done by a professional, so he used the old pics for the website set-up for kimkins Why do I say they were done on 9-22-07 by a professional?
I found this site discussing photography and the photographer was discussing the pictures they had taken that past saturday (9-22-07) for a fitness team.
You can see the group photo that is also on the Fitness together site linked above.
photo forum

Also wanted everyone to note that the following posts by the Fitness Guru are now missing from Kimkins, so they are trying to hide how to reach him.
Why? Maybe in case let's say he wanted to comment on his opinion about Kimkins or his experience.
MISSING POSTS:
"Hey Lynn-
I have no problem answering your questions. I have been in the fitness industry for about 8 years. I have my BS in Exercise Science and two national certifications (NASM, AFAA). I started working in large health clubs where I was a personal trainer and then moved into a Fitness Manager role. Now I own a personal training studio in Florida with full intentions of opening multiple locations.
It is a great industry to be in. I have met a ton of amazing people and to help them reach their health and fitness goals...it is a wonderful feeling.
FitGuru"
------
"If it is helpful...I have a website where you can get all of these items for a discounted price. Your Online Fitness Resource!. If you want to order from my website, email me at xxxxxhis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it and I can give you specific item # which will fit you best."


Tisk... Tisk..... Bad Kimmer and Bad Tippy! Trying to hide that information.

HONEYBEE
(A.K.A. AMY)

[2big4mysize]

One more story to note.
In the early 1900's a proponent of fasting wanted to quiet all disbelievers once and for all. He decided to walk from NYC to Chicago without food, only water!. He had a team of doctors and others following him to make sure his health was good and he did not cheat. He made it 31 days before having to stop. He still felt great, and energetic, averaging 20 miles a day, but as he began to enter the mountains the fat pad that makes up the heal had become so thin he was risking stress fractures. There were no "Air Max's" back then, only leather soled shoes. The doctors noted that other than that, he was in perfect health.

sure would like to see that report. You'd think Shelton the famous proponent of fasting would include that in his stuff but I sure can't find it.

[LovelyLady]

Originally Posted by BobbiOh

Is that even biologically possible? Other than amputation?

It's possible. I lost 16 pounds my first week. I don't doubt for a minute, though, that it was mostly water.

[maggieb43]

I also joined Kimkins after having read her posts on LCF and then the article in Woman's World magazine. I never really even tried the diet as written, it was just too restricted and I developed unrelated health issues anyway so I was side-tracked--left the site in August and hadn't been back since. I thought about returning recently but pretty much decided I'd rather "regular low-carb" and eat good stuff, lol. So I came back here to LCF...and saw the first "Why the fascination with Kimmer?" thread, started reading. Um, HOLY COW!!! I could not believe what I was reading. Unbelievable!! I have to admit at first I thought the controversy over the before and after photos was kinda petty, but now all I have to say is THANK YOU to all the people who smelled a rat and exposed this woman for the fraud she is.

Fortunately, I'm just out the $60 I spent on the membership and haven't suffered any health problems as a result. I feel so badly for the folks who have.

I admit I'm weirdly fascinated by this and have read a lot of other info on the net about this scam and if first and second hand accounts are to be believed, Heidi Diaz is a long-time con artist and has actually served jail time already.

I know I'll probably never get my money back---just chalk it up to a lesson learned, I guess. But again, thanks to everyone who exposed this phony, liar, thief. I dearly hope she gets what's coming to her.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

sure would like to see that report. You'd think Shelton the famous proponent of fasting would include that in his stuff but I sure can't find it.

I know, right!
How about the papers he read from 2400 years ago???
I posted asking why not link to articles....well now we know.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by maggieb43

I also joined Kimkins after having read her posts on LCF and then the article in Woman's World magazine. I never really even tried the diet as written, it was just too restricted and I developed health issues anyway so I was side-tracked--left the site in August and hadn't been back since. I thought about returning recently but pretty much decided I'd rather "regular low-carb" and eat good stuff, lol. So I came back here to LCF...and saw the first "Why the fascination with Kimmer?" thread, started reading. Um, HOLY COW!!! I could not believe what I was reading. Unbelievable!! I have to admit at first I thought the controversy over the before and after photos was kinda petty, but now all I have to say is THANK YOU to all the people who smelled a rat and exposed this woman for the fraud she is.

Fortunately, I'm just out the $60 I spent on the membership and haven't suffered any health problems as a result. I feel so badly for the folks who have.

I admit I'm weirdly fascinated by this and have read a lot of other info on the net about this scam and if first and second hand accounts are to be believed, Heidi Diaz is a long-time con artist and has actually served jail time already.

I know I'll probably never get my money back---just chalk it up to a lesson learned, I guess. But again, thanks to everyone who exposed this phony, liar, thief. I dea