Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[HoneyBee2]

Ok, guys have a good one...I have to check out some things...bbl

[Magicsmom]

Good luck, HoneyBee!

[This time]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

This Time- I noticed your location in your ava...Have you ever heard of the Dr. Bernstein in Canada that had a diet much like kimkins?
The diet has been linked to causing the death of at least one person? The family filed malpractice and was awarded $700,000 in a settlement.
The inquest jury went on to recommend that commercial weight loss programs should encourage healthy individuals to lose no more than 1-2 pounds per week on no less than 1200 calories!
I read an article about this diet and it is shocking how much it is like Kimkins even the techniques used to get calories lower and lower by verbal humiliation of the person on the diet.

HoneyBee2...No never heard of Dr.Bernstein but it just goes to show you,who can you trust anymore?

[ketosis]

Deposition Day is Thursday!

I wonder if John Tiedt will have a plate of sugar cookies with sprinkles on the conference room table. To assist with a positive ID of Hikeykins.

[This time]

Hey Ketosis..Love the name, hate the feeling.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Deposition Day is Thursday!

I wonder if John Tiedt will have a plate of sugar cookies with sprinkles on the conference room table. To assist with a positive ID of Hikeykins.

Oh to be a fly on the wall!!!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by This time

Hey Ketosis..Love the name, hate the feeling.

Oh, I love how ketosis feels! The part I hate is getting there!

[This time]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Oh, I love how ketosis feels! The part I hate is getting there!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

How right you are! In fact, I find it incredible! that she could answer people the way she did if, in fact, as we now know, she had completely failed at her own dieting. How COULD she -- unless it was a cruel, cruel, and vindictive way (who knows the mind of a psychopath???) of getting back at poor unsuspecting people, because of her own failures. Did she actually get a thrill at telling people to LOW, LOWER, and still LOWER on their calorie intake? That is so sick! Will we ever know what transpired in the mind of this sick woman? Probably not. The unfortunate thing is that normal people cannot even comprehend the workings of a mind like that.

On the other hand COULD she have gotten satisfaction knowing that all these other people were actually losing weight on what she was telling them - thus satisfying herself. She couldn't do it (felt terrible about her own failure) but gained satisfaction and a feeling of self-esteem knowing others were succeeding. Does this make sense? Just turning things around a little bit - trying to get into her mind. Any thoughts?

[tinkerpam]

The satisfaction she got was making the money!

[Diana]

Wow... Thursday... Can't wait...

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

On the other hand COULD she have gotten satisfaction knowing that all these other people were actually losing weight on what she was telling them - thus satisfying herself. She couldn't do it (felt terrible about her own failure) but gained satisfaction and a feeling of self-esteem knowing others were succeeding. Does this make sense? Just turning things around a little bit - trying to get into her mind. Any thoughts?

Well, if it's as you describe, it sounds a bit like Munchausen by Proxy, where a parent makes a child sick because they thrive on the sympathy it garners to them [the parent]. Heidi making herself responsible (in her mind) for the accomplishments of others. It would seem to go hand in hand with the mental illness that has been attributed to her by her family members. But then again, most of us cannot understand a sick mind, if indeed it does exist in her case.

[lovemycats]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

I feel NO empathy for her at all. She deliberately and deceitfully conned people with no remorse at all. Do you think she feels sorry for any of the people she hurt? You can bet your bottom dollar...NO!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Well, if it's as you describe, it sounds a bit like Munchausen by Proxy, where a parent makes a child sick because they thrive on the sympathy it garners to them [the parent]. Heidi making herself responsible (in her mind) for the accomplishments of others. It would seem to go hand in hand with the mental illness that has been attributed to her by her family members. But then again, most of us cannot understand a sick mind, if indeed it does exist in her case.

Regarding the sentence in bold, by that I mean that Heidi would credit herself for what others have accomplished, rather than give the credit to the people who rightfully deserve it. In Munchausen, people do it for sympathy. What I am describing is a case of her doing it for praise and accolades, which we all know she certainly thrived on. We all know that Heidi deserves not one bit of credit for anything anyone lost as a result of her starvation plan. All the credit goes to those tough birds who had it in them to actually do it. My hat is off to THEM!

[lovemycats]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Oh, Honeybee, how right you are! I guess it's hard for us "normal" people to understand how anyone could commit such a fraud. That is why I keep flip-flopping back between feeling sorry for her and wanting her to be brought to justice for the pathological and cruel person she is. Perhaps it is just beyond the comprehension of "good" people to understand such a personality.

BTW, Honeybee, you are awesome in your efforts!

I so agree with this. Never in a million years would I ever consider hurting people as she did. My conscience wouldn't allow me to do it.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by lovemycats

I feel NO empathy for her at all. She deliberately and deceitfully conned people with no remorse at all. Do you think she feels sorry for any of the people she hurt? You can bet your bottom dollar...NO!

Hey, I'll even bet Heidi's bottom dollar! Still a resounding NO! I don't think she has it in her to feel remorse.

[lovemycats]

[quote=Magicsmom;9422630]Hey, I'll even bet Heidi's bottom dollar!

Okay, you win! Hee-hee! Heidi's bottom dollar!

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

[b]..........

Like I said earlier...In my opinion if the policy of Kimkins is- NO One Nursing should do the plan- then that should have been the answer given by the KIMKINS STAFF- Not saying....talk to your doctor, not enough research, he may let you do a modified version because I am not sure. I mean it is either policy or it is not!!!
Why couldn't they say that?!?!? Is it because then a refund would have to be given?? I mean what is the reason if it is their policy?
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For what it's worth, Atkins says you can do his maintenance plan while pregnant / nursing, and LLL has some information on low carb and nursing.

I nursed, exclusively for the first 7 months and ongoing until the age of 2, for both of my boys - with my oldest, I Atkins-ed through pregnancy and nursing - with my doctors' complete support - he was born 9#4 oz, at 6 months he was 22 lbs, and at a year he was 28 lbs. With my second baby, I was eating more macaroni and cheese and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches - both during pregnancy and nursing, and he was born 8#7 oz, 12 # at 6 months, and 29 lbs at one year. He is a TANK.

If I got pregnant again, I'd do Atkins OWL the whole time - nursing too.

Specifying - I'd do the Atkins that normally helps me lose weight - with #1 I didn't lose, just didn't gain during the pregnancy.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

This Time- I noticed your location in your ava...Have you ever heard of the Dr. Bernstein in Canada that had a diet much like kimkins?
The diet has been linked to causing the death of at least one person? The family filed malpractice and was awarded $700,000 in a settlement.
The inquest jury went on to recommend that commercial weight loss programs should encourage healthy individuals to lose no more than 1-2 pounds per week on no less than 1200 calories!
I read an article about this diet and it is shocking how much it is like Kimkins even the techniques used to get calories lower and lower by verbal humiliation of the person on the diet.

Honeybee, I am following the Dr. Richard Bernstein diet, which basically does not limit calories AT ALL. This is Dr. Richard Bernstein, and he is located on Long Island in New York. -- not in Canada at all. I highly doubt he has been involved in any kind of suit at all. He was an engineer and a Type 1 diabetic himself for all of his life, who sought answers for years in keeping his blood sugars under control, and in trying not to die young. He finally gave up on trying to get answers for his health from the regular medical establishment and went back to school to become a doctor himself. He advocates a hearty diet, rich in fats, and low in carbohydrates. He was so fed up with what the directives were regarding diabetes, he went back to study and get his doctorate to become a diabetic specialist. I highly doubt it is the doctor you are referring to. He has been lambasted against (like Dr. Atkins, whom I was treated by personally in NYC), because he believes the only way diabetics can control their blood sugars is by eating the 6-12-12 way (breakfast at 6 grams of carbs, lunch & dinner @ 12 carbs). His book, which is in its 3rd printing, is called The Diabetes Solution. I have all 3 editions - the latest came out recently, at the beginning of this year. He is available by phone and folks say he is unbelievably available to talk to by phone. There is even a forum for folks to talk about their issues. If I am allowed to post it here,

Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Forum - Login

I am a Type 2 diabetic and can heartily say that my doctor is amazed at what I have accomplished the past year, just by following Dr. Bernstein. I have lost roughly about 57 lbs - although it has taken a whole year because it is with no exercercise for the most part. And also because I have been eating without remorse - I have my low carb ice cream several times a week.

A year ago, my blood sugars were so high, I didn't want to record them. Over 300 was not unusual after meals. Over 200 was not unusual for fasting in the a.m. This morning, my blood sugars was at 86. 2 hours after lunch it was at 110.

Dr. Richard Bernstein and his book has been a wonderful help for me, and for my husband.

He is the exact opposite of you know who. A caring, thoughtful person who went back to school to get his education in a field which he felt was sadly lacking, and which probably saved his life.
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[SMP]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

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Honorary Doctorate of Intergalactic Science-1995
As of 2007 he had earned the Vulcanian Scientific Legion of Honor, had been twice decorated by Starfleet Command and held an A7 computer expert classification
2007- Envoy to UFP-Klingon peace accords, spurred by explosion of Klingon moon Praxis

Personal Note-
Dr. Spock's mother, Amanda Grayson, was a human schoolteacher from Earth and his father, Sarek, was a respected diplomat. For most of his life, Dr. Spock was torn between his emotional human side and the stern discipline of his Vulcan half until his experience with the V'Ger machine-entity in 1971 and his later death and rebirth in 1986 broadened his perspective.

Dr. Spock carried a life-long interest in art, music, literature and poetry from many worlds, especially Terran, and played both tri-dimensional chess as well as the Vulcan lute or harp and a keyboard harpsichord.

Favorite Quote- “Live long and prosper”[/font][/i]

I see nothing wrong with Spock's credentials. He can treat me anytime for Trekkinosis and other fatal science fiction diseases.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Diana

So is it locked unlocked, posts deleted, someone banned... what is the problem here?

But ...but...but... isn't that why Kimmer flounced off in a huff to do her own thing? To have an uncensored board where only angels and light prevail? It was ALL the fault of those LCF mods that she left, right? So now what's her excuse? Maybe Heidi (and T.T.) discovered that some people need rules after all!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

Not a thing, Barbara. Yours is a normal reaction for a decent empathetic individual who puts herself into others' moccasins. I feel sorry for Heidi as well, but that doesn't mean I can't and won't rejoice with her victims when justice is served.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by lovemycats

I feel NO empathy for her at all. She deliberately and deceitfully conned people with no remorse at all. Do you think she feels sorry for any of the people she hurt? You can bet your bottom dollar...NO!

Yes, I think you are right. I just cannot fathom anyone who is so bereft of ethics.

[Mayberryfan]

Barbara B - Good for you controlling your blood sugar in such a great way! The more I learn about LC, the more I have a hard time believing that SO MANY medical professionals still believe in that god-awful food pyramid. It's like a pyramid scheme! I think you definitely have to listen to your own body. Period. No matter what some doctors say!

Several of you were talking about feeling remorse for/about Heidi. I'll admit to struggling with that a bit (a very little bit). Not with feeling bad for her because she's a total con artist, but, I wonder if I would have been as motivated to continue dieting if I hadn't lost fairly quickly when I started with KK's. I had done Atkins in the past and lost about 15-20 lbs very quickly and then it quit working. I think it was that I quit paying so much attention to what I was eating and eventually gave up. So, do I owe some small debt of gratitude to her for losing now close to 50 lbs.?

NO. I lost the weight. I've done the work. I've paid attention to what I was eating and how much. I've sacrificed. I've resisted temptation (not always) but enough to be pretty successful so far.

I (nor any of the rest of us) owe Hidey a second of feeling bad for her. She's made her bed (complete with sugar cookie crumbs on the sheets) and she's going to have to lie in it.