Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[Diana]

Now i must do some digging....

[Diana]

The Kimmer Experiment
June 25th, 2006
A member of Kimkins.com has been doing the Kimmer Experiment (KE) plan to jumpstart her fat loss. This member lost 8 pounds in the first two days of doing the KE! She recently wrote on the member forums about her experience with KE:

I have been doing KE for 4 days now and I have made a few interesting observations. Here are a few of the things that I notice are going on with me while doing KE.

1. Following my Fitday it shows my calorie intake is dropping steadily without my even thinking about it. I eat only when I’m hungry.

2. My portion sizes for meat are getting quite a bit smaller. Last night I had poached lemonpepper whiting, usually I can eat a LOT of fish. Last night I had 7 oz. cooked. I had to stop halfway through. I couldn’t eat the rest. I was just too full. I finished the other half a couple of hours later when the hungries came back and again I was full.

3. Times between getting truly hungry are getting longer. At first, within a couple of hours I had to eat something. Now I can go quite awhile without even thinking about food.

4. My stomach gets these gnawing feelings at times. Not true hunger pains though. I don’t really know how to describe them but it’s almost like I can feel my body eating up the fat storages.

5. The better sleep I get at night, the less of an appetite I have the next day.

6. I’ve learned the Snatty [SNATT means Slightly Nauseous All The Time, which is how some people describe the way ketosis naturally suppresses appetite] feeling can easily be controlled if you get way too sick with a little diet soda or egg drop soup. In fact, I believe egg drop soup will be my mainstay throughout this process.

Just a few of my personal observations. I hope some of you post yours too.

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I beg to differ. I NEVER feel like that when in Ketosis. Feeling that way is discribing STARVATION

[Diana]

I find this Funny.... Lets justify your fake pictures...
Posted August 23rd 2006

Kimmer’s New Before and After Photographs at Kimkins.com!
July 17th, 2006

Well, as promised, here’s my newest “After” photo! My teenage son is a budding photographer and chimed in with many of you who said my posted photos needed an update!

When I look at the new After pic from the perspective of anyone who isn’t me, I think it looks nice (and naturally any project of my children is pure genius ), but it stirs so much conflict. So much.

I grew up in a home where personal appearance wasn’t emphasized. Certainly bragging wasn’t. Vanity was as near a sin as thievery and annual school photos brought floods of anxiety. While the rest of the year my father made no mention of how I looked, my school photo was scrutinized. His comment about my third grade photo was “moon faced”, which is true, I suppose — round face, definitely me.

[Diana]

Re:Can anyone suggest a good 13 Hours, 9 Minutes ago
SingingLass wrote:

no krav, I was not slapping your hand hun. Mikey, please read my previous post about conduct towards others on the boards.


Well just go ahead and ban me, you have already made up your minds so there is nothing I can say to change it. You guys see it one way and I see it another..So as I said ban me. You know you want to!

DO It.

By the way I am taking screen shots and they might get used in court.:_blink_: So Do it or leave me alone..

I have saved lots of PM's and talked to lots of people since I have been here, you don't want me to go over to Jmmy's site. BACK OFF.

BOTTOM LINE, I have been here almost a year and have always been faithful, but I make one little discretion then a couple of newbies get all upset and suddenly I am the bad guy.

I HAVE STOOD WITH THIS SITE THROUGH ALL THE ****. SOMEONE WITH 15 OR SO POSTS HAS NOT.

I am done so ban me.

Wow... looks like the Kimpire is slowly coming down!

[Diana]

Re:Can anyone suggest a good "fat burner" suppleme 11 Hours, 11 Minutes ago
Okay, I am going to lock this thread just because people are stirred up even though the issue has been taken care of. This kind of behavior is actually not typical here, just every now and then someone takes something personally---i really have only dealt with a couple issues of this nature, and on other message boards I have participated on, even for work, fights and insults are a daily occurance like you would not believe. So please do not put a label on the whole site and community due to the occassional person out of the thousands of members here who maybe have difficulty being considerate. Unfortunately, there will always be people who do that no matter where you go, be it your work environment, shopping, groups...and we do our best here to discouage that kind of behavior.

Just as an extra P.S. here. People seem to be upset that I locked this thread because they are no-longer able to react/ respond to other posts and the like. I can understand the urge to defend yourself and your friends ...but unfortunately it would just create another cycle that could further hurt and offend etc...drag more people into it. In no way would anyone benifit by allowing that to continue. Its not about censorship, but rather keeping the peace and things focused on support and weight loss rather then getting upset with one another needlessly. I have seen too many threads on message boards start out with a couple people upset with one another, and then snow ball into something out of proportion and not even recognizable, to the point no one can even really remember what they are upset about or what the original spark was. I hope people understand why we do not want to see that kind of thing happen here or people to feel threatened. My very act of closing the thread was to give the message that personal attacks, insults and the like are not acceptable behavior, and was my personal way of defending those of you who feel you were targeted.

So is it locked unlocked, posts deleted, someone banned... what is the problem here?

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Diana

I find this Funny.... Lets justify your fake pictures...
Posted August 23rd 2006

If "vanity is close to sin" why is she wearing a wig. Now there is nothing wrong with that because I know plenty of people that do and they are attractive. Also why didn't she come clean and say she gained her weight back and post her "real" PI picture. Hey I'm one of the first to admit when I've gained weight! No big deal - just time to get back on the bandwagon. If she wasn't such a fraud I would almost feel sorry for her.

[baindegael]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

If "vanity is close to sin" why is she wearing a wig. Now there is nothing wrong with that because I know plenty of people that do and they are attractive. Also why didn't she come clean and say she gained her weight back and post her "real" PI picture. Hey I'm one of the first to admit when I've gained weight! No big deal - just time to get back on the bandwagon. If she wasn't such a fraud I would almost feel sorry for her.

I have not been around, i Was out of town on business... what's the new after pic look like?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by baindegael

I have not been around, i Was out of town on business... what's the new after pic look like?

Just Kidding! But I couldn't resist. Cheryl was actually commenting on a statement made by Kimmer in 2006 about vanity,that Diana had found.

[tiggerr]

Blimey, that picture really is *not* flattering much is it?
*scratches head as to why some peeps still believe in her*

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

Blimey, that picture really is *not* flattering much is it?
*scratches head as to why some peeps still believe in her*

Kimmer definitely should win the salesperson of the year award. I mean she can sell something can't she?!?!?
You know this may sound crazy, but when I heard her voice on the podcast I thought it would fit the red dress picture. I remember thinking it sounded like it belonged to a size 4 wearing gal. I know not very wise, but I guess it just shows that the mind believes what the mind wants to at times.
I guess that is how those 1-900 numbers work too.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

If "vanity is close to sin" why is she wearing a wig. Now there is nothing wrong with that because I know plenty of people that do and they are attractive. Also why didn't she come clean and say she gained her weight back and post her "real" PI picture. Hey I'm one of the first to admit when I've gained weight! No big deal - just time to get back on the bandwagon. If she wasn't such a fraud I would almost feel sorry for her.

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

[This time]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

Barbara B....nothing is wrong with you , you are a good person ,something that is lacking in kimmer/nutjob!!

[Elloise]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

I've said the same thing a few times on these threads.

I never joined, either, and only followed her K/E for a few days once, so I'm really not in the same boat as many people here. But I've always felt it was wrong to mock her for her size, like has happened now and then -- but she certainly deserves to be criticized for the fraud that she is. Just think - if she would have fessed up and said that she is now 300+ pounds, look at all the true friends she would have found on these boards! Instead, she has no friends and will no doubt someday lose all that money she had sitting in paypal.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

Barb I think empathy is a good quality to have and it just shows you are a caring person. I know I can get caught up in empathy allowing me to make excuses for the person and that is when my husband comes in as the voice of reason. It seems most men have an easier time not allowing emotions of empathy to affect their judgment.

I too remember when the PI report came out and reading it caused conflicting emotions in me. I felt anger but then there was a twinge of sadness, that was fleeting, because I thought of how intelligent Heidi is to have done all that she has done and yet she chose to commit fraud instead of being honest. Yes, she has had difficulties in her life, like we all have, but life is about choices and she made some bad ones....at least that is the talk I gave myself when I began to feel bad for her.

You know I bet Heidi does not feel one bit bad about anything she has done, because that is the only way she could keep doing it over and over. Most of us couldn't live with ourselves if we had lied, defrauded, scammed, and harmed thousands of people. But Heidi goes and buys a new car, gets a new apartment and then files defamation of character charges!!!

I do think it is normal for most to feel some sadness for Heidi when reading her story, but her choices are what got her where she is today and where she will be tomorrow, not her misfortunes!!

(No negative emotions or (!!)directed at you Barbara ...this is just more of how I usually talk myself out of feeling bad for her...by reminding myself of the type of person she is and the lack of empathy she shows...that's all)

[HoneyBee2]

Elloise- How is the new C&C diet going? (Cosmopolitans and Cookies)

[This time]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Barb I think empathy is a good quality to have and it just shows you are a caring person. I know I can get caught up in empathy allowing me to make excuses for the person and that is when my husband comes in as the voice of reason. It seems most men have an easier time not allowing emotions of empathy to affect their judgment.

I too remember when the PI report came out and reading it caused conflicting emotions in me. I felt anger but then there was a twinge of sadness, that was fleeting, because I thought of how intelligent Heidi is to have done all that she has done and yet she chose to commit fraud instead of being honest. Yes, she has had difficulties in her life, like we all have, but life is about choices and she made some bad ones....at least that is the talk I gave myself when I began to feel bad for her.

You know I bet Heidi does not feel one bit bad about anything she has done, because that is the only way she could keep doing it over and over. Most of us couldn't live with ourselves if we had lied, defrauded, scammed, and harmed thousands of people. But Heidi goes and buys a new car, gets a new apartment and then files defamation of character charges!!!

I do think it is normal for most to feel some sadness for Heidi when reading her story, but her choices are what got her where she is today and where she will be tomorrow, not her misfortunes!!

(No negative emotions or (!!)directed at you Barbara ...this is just more of how I usually talk myself out of feeling bad for her...by reminding myself of the type of person she is and the lack of empathy she shows...that's all)

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I want to keep hitting myself because I must believe that she is miserable -- not only the size of her, but the detective's statement that she is bald. I begin to feel sad for her, and then I remember the fraud she has perpetrated on women who relied on her. It's so confusing! I was never one who joined, and paid up for access to her site, so I really have no right to say all this. But it IS confusing to feel sorry for all the women she shammed and yet still look at her surveillance photos and feel some empathy. What's wrong with me????

There is nothing wrong with you. You have a good heart, something Heidi totally lacks. Is she miserable? We don't know. People like her have no conscience. She may at this point in time actually be telling herself that she will get out of this situation, keep the money she bilked out of people, and stay on the government dole.

People like you and me want to feel sorry for the way she is being humiliated on a daily basis. Then I remember how much she basked in the glow of the limelight, how she loved it when people hung on her every word, how they clamored for her very presence. It was sick. Whether you call it karma, what comes around goes around, or simply believe that people bring things upon themselves, reality is that she is getting exactly what she set herself up for. A year ago, she was on the mountaintop, being worshiped, raking in the dough at the expense of people desperate to lose weight. She gladly took that money, knowing she is a fraud.

Don't ever forget that she referred to people as wimps when they lacked the resolve to follow the starvation plan that she wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. When someone was having a hard time, she belittled them and told them to go have some more gooey butter cake, something she is obviously very familiar with. Don't forget that while she was doing this, there was a container of sugar cookies complete with sprinkles for her to munch on whenever she set out on errands. Every time I am tempted to feel sorry for her, I remind myself of these things. That is when I realize that karma is biting Heidi in her huge glutes and now she is paying for all that admiration she took from unsuspecting people.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Barb I think empathy is a good quality to have and it just shows you are a caring person. I know I can get caught up in empathy allowing me to make excuses for the person and that is when my husband comes in as the voice of reason. It seems most men have an easier time not allowing emotions of empathy to affect their judgment.

I too remember when the PI report came out and reading it caused conflicting emotions in me. I felt anger but then there was a twinge of sadness, that was fleeting, because I thought of how intelligent Heidi is to have done all that she has done and yet she chose to commit fraud instead of being honest. Yes, she has had difficulties in her life, like we all have, but life is about choices and she made some bad ones....at least that is the talk I gave myself when I began to feel bad for her.

You know I bet Heidi does not feel one bit bad about anything she has done, because that is the only way she could keep doing it over and over. Most of us couldn't live with ourselves if we had lied, defrauded, scammed, and harmed thousands of people. But Heidi goes and buys a new car, gets a new apartment and then files defamation of character charges!!!

I do think it is normal for most to feel some sadness for Heidi when reading her story, but her choices are what got her where she is today and where she will be tomorrow, not her misfortunes!!

(No negative emotions or (!!)directed at you Barbara ...this is just more of how I usually talk myself out of feeling bad for her...by reminding myself of the type of person she is and the lack of empathy she shows...that's all)

Oh, Honeybee, how right you are! I guess it's hard for us "normal" people to understand how anyone could commit such a fraud. That is why I keep flip-flopping back between feeling sorry for her and wanting her to be brought to justice for the pathological and cruel person she is. Perhaps it is just beyond the comprehension of "good" people to understand such a personality.

BTW, Honeybee, you are awesome in your efforts!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

There is nothing wrong with you. You have a good heart, something Heidi totally lacks. Is she miserable? We don't know. People like her have no conscience. She may at this point in time actually be telling herself that she will get out of this situation, keep the money she bilked out of people, and stay on the government dole.

People like you and me want to feel sorry for the way she is being humiliated on a daily basis. Then I remember how much she basked in the glow of the limelight, how she loved it when people hung on her every word, how they clamored for her very presence. It was sick. Whether you call it karma, what comes around goes around, or simply believe that people bring things upon themselves, reality is that she is getting exactly what she set herself up for. A year ago, she was on the mountaintop, being worshiped, raking in the dough at the expense of people desperate to lose weight. She gladly took that money, knowing she is a fraud.

Don't ever forget that she referred to people as wimps when they lacked the resolve to follow the starvation plan that she wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. When someone was having a hard time, she belittled them and told them to go have some more gooey butter cake, something she is obviously very familiar with. Don't forget that while she was doing this, there was a container of sugar cookies complete with sprinkles for her to munch on whenever she set out on errands. Every time I am tempted to feel sorry for her, I remind myself of these things. That is when I realize that karma is biting Heidi in her huge glutes and now she is paying for all that admiration she took from unsuspecting people.

Terry it sounds like your reminder to yourself is much like my pep talk to myself.... Just a way for us to keep Heidi's acts in perspective.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

There is nothing wrong with you. You have a good heart, something Heidi totally lacks. Is she miserable? We don't know. People like her have no conscience. She may at this point in time actually be telling herself that she will get out of this situation, keep the money she bilked out of people, and stay on the government dole.

People like you and me want to feel sorry for the way she is being humiliated on a daily basis. Then I remember how much she basked in the glow of the limelight, how she loved it when people hung on her every word, how they clamored for her very presence. It was sick. Whether you call it karma, what comes around goes around, or simply believe that people bring things upon themselves, reality is that she is getting exactly what she set herself up for. A year ago, she was on the mountaintop, being worshiped, raking in the dough at the expense of people desperate to lose weight. She gladly took that money, knowing she is a fraud.

Don't ever forget that she referred to people as wimps when they lacked the resolve to follow the starvation plan that she wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. When someone was having a hard time, she belittled them and told them to go have some more gooey butter cake, something she is obviously very familiar with. Don't forget that while she was doing this, there was a container of sugar cookies complete with sprinkles for her to munch on whenever she set out on errands. Every time I am tempted to feel sorry for her, I remind myself of these things. That is when I realize that karma is biting Heidi in her huge glutes and now she is paying for all that admiration she took from unsuspecting people.

Thanks for your nice comments. No, I will never forget what she did to people. There are even new members becoming a part of her "flock" as we speak -- new members of Kimkins. After I first came to this thread, I decidedl to go back and look at all the "Ask Kimmer" threads, and it was just heartbreaking how she had captured the minds and hearts of women who PLEADED with her to share her secrets. Little did they know they were talking to a woman who looked the way she did in the Private Eye photos.Those women were so hopeful, so adoring of her. I am crying just thinking about it.

[susique333]

Originally Posted by Diana