Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I remember seeing the arkangel name at one time over there so I don't think it is Heidi but I could be very wrong. I probably saw a lot of her sock puppets over there and had no clue.
I think FG is also banned and I agree...watch for a change in their posts. Seems to be the M.O. over there...

Hi Kat and Tiggerr- Here is my post on Mikey after someone posted his recent post here about using pseudophedrine, aspirin and caffeine right before a work-out to get better results..That is why we were saying that is no better than meth and that is why I joked about the Meat, Martini and Meth diet while on bootcamp, because this member is telling people to do this and work out. Then he went on a rampage after a member told him that was dangerous. He posted a pic of the exorcist and told the member she looked like or something to that effect. This went on in the early am, and it now deleted but I have screen shots.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I wanted to point out that it was NOT Dr. Mark who was quoted, because I went to view the post it was a member named Mikey.
Just FYI from what I was able to note on the poster from Kimkins:
1) They had been a very active poster from the time they joined in 6-13-07 then last posts 7-24-07-Nothing about leaving but nonetheless not on the boards until.......
2) Appeared back on the boards 10-01...taking a break?? This was the first post upon the member's return-(bolding mine)


3) Also noted that the member had their screen named changed upon their "Return". Original the member's name was Arkangel.....now they are Mikey

Does anyone know the member known as Arkangel?

[Katinsac]

Oh darn...I remember your post though. Too bad we missed it. Is he banned yet? lol

[Katinsac]

that's what I get for going to bed at a decent hour....do you ever sleep Honey? lol Actually....it is really kinda boring going over there and reading...not a lot happening but new members still showing up which makes me feel badly. I'm also a little jelious of those getting close to goal (in a way). I really hope they tweeked it enough and have no side affects like us and I also hope it stays off. I'd sure like to talk to them in a year, lol.

[Katinsac]

What was the part where you guys thought it was SL? The rampage part?

[LoriWants2Lose]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Here is my post on Mikey after someone posted his recent post here about using pseudophedrine, aspirin and caffeine right before a work-out to get better results..

He obviously isn't Kimmer or he wouldn't believe in working out. That combination is crazy. Heart attack, anyone?

[Katinsac]

Ok, I'm a little slow at times, but....are you guys thinking that Mikey who left and showed back up is not the original Arkangel and is not SL or Heidi, etc.?

[HoneyBee2]

There have been two recent posts over at kimkins that have been dicussed:
1) Was the one where a member named Mikey (old screen name arkangel) posted this to a member asking about a fat burner to try on the Kimkins boards:
Quote:
Re:Can anyone suggest a good "fat burner" supplement 36 Minutes ago
Take a tab of pseudophed, 2 aspirin, and a caffeine tab, wait for it to kick in then do cardio like a mad dog.
Your body will get used to it fast so do a three day on two day off schedule.
BUT REMEMBER AND EVERYONE HAS TOLD YOU THIS, THE SIDE EFFECTS CAN BE SERIOUS.
Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable

He then went on to get very confrontational with a member who said, Hey, that is dangerous and I had a friend in HS die after taking cough medicine and doing PE! This continued and now the guy is saying in a post at kimkins:

Quote:
Well just go ahead and ban me, you have already made up your minds so there is nothing I can say to change it. You guys see it one way and I see it another..So as I said ban me. You know you want to!
DO It.
By the way I am taking screen shots and they might get used in court.:_blink_: So Do it or leave me alone..
I have saved lots of PM's and talked to lots of people since I have been here, you don't want me to go over to Jmmy's site. BACK OFF.
BOTTOM LINE, I have been here almost a year and have always been faithful, but I make one little discretion then a couple of newbies get all upset and suddenly I am the bad guy.
I HAVE STOOD WITH THIS SITE THROUGH ALL THE ****. SOMEONE WITH 15 OR SO POSTS HAS NOT.
I am done so ban me

Now singinglass locked the thread

2) The other issue is a thread where a member asked about doing kimkins while nursing a 5 week old. The staff at kimkins did really say NO!!! It was more always check with you doctor before starting any exercise plan, the research isn't there or your dr. might let you do a revised kimkins plan..but not NO! So the whole thing is...Well what is their policy? If it is that NO ONE NURSING can do kimkins then that should have been the reply.
Well on the other boards a member there got upset and rightfully so because it was left as a dangling maybe response if you ask me.

So that MeeMee, member at ALC, posted a comment saying things to TIPPY about warning these members
Well, then a member named Skiddy appeared on the ALC forum who posted saying MeeMee was not telling the truth and called MeeMee aka" Amy".
MeeMee posted that it was odd how Tippy's cat's name is skiddy, but I said I thought the member skiddy was SL because SL was posting on the thread at kimkins about the comments, plus the spelling of Skiddy's post was too good to be tippy....
Hell, let me just go get a copy of the thread...in will make more sense. LOL

[Katinsac]

lol...sorry Honey...got you on a roll tonight. OK, I get it now. I have never looked at ALC but I understand now. I've only read some stuff at Jimmy's where littlebit and a lot of others moved too. It is interesting that they used the same name as TT cat but she and SL probably have made up a lot of different names to use over there.

I really get a kick out of TT starting threads over there. I really don't think they are there to really ask a question but to keep threads "going". Just not enough people over there anymore to ask I guess. If TT and SL want to earn their money, they not only have to answer the questions, they have to ask them!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Boy, there are a lot of threads over there today with no posting to them...wonder where everyone is. lol

Great little scam they've got going over there! Sucker people into signing up, then ban them so you don't have anyone posting and no work to do! Not much to moderate lately! That's the way it goes when you are hitting the bottle and making liberal use of the ban button!

[Katinsac]

Boy, Cutie...you sure cause a lot of trouble! lol They just seem to try to find things to blame on you! lol

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Great little scam they've got going over there! Sucker people into signing up, then ban them so you don't have anyone posting and no work to do! Not much to moderate lately! That's the way it goes when you are hitting the bottle and making liberal use of the ban button!

Sure is....once that check clears.....BANNED!!!

[HoneyBee2]

Ok here is the thread basically from Kimkins regarding the nursing woman of a 5 week old-This is the thread as it appeared. If I snipped quotes to shorten I made a note of it and I bolded responses from kimkins staff. *Another kk= other kimkins members. Again this is the KK posts to give you the idea of what was being said...then I will post the comments from Skiddy on the other board...
Original question:

Nursing a 5 week old...Is it okay to start this? 1 Week, 6 Days
Hi I am so siked about starting this, but I don't know if it is safe! Does anyone know if I can start one while I am nursing? I have 100 lbs to lose and I want it gone yesterday. I have been reading all the posts and am so ready to get started. I started and did one day with no cheats at all but then the next morning I woke up and was really dizzy headed so I ate a bowl of oatmeal. Does anyone have any tips about the dizzyness? Thanks!!

another KK:
I'm not sure I would start Kimkins while nursing. When you nurse you need added calories, milk products.
I would check with your Dr showing him/her a copy of the plans.
Good luck and congrats on your baby

Another KK:
Check with your doctor first on this question. Same goes for the dizzyness.
Me, I would wait until baby is done nursing. The main reason, is you want your baby to have all the nutrients you can supply. this goes a far down the line, to a happy healthy child.
since my hubby is loaded with allergies, I kept on a peanut/nut/chocalte free eating plan untill I finished nursing. and now have a allergy free healthy 10 year old.
I can understand the want the wieght off right now...been there...
But if your nursing I would strongly suggest wait untill nursing is done before you start any diet.
This plan is awesome, I've lost 30 pounds since june 18. And quite happy with this progress. I eat 1000-1200 calories a day. My knees are thanking me and I just all round feel better.
Congrats on the little one

Post by Admin-
Before starting any diet, consult with your physican.

Posted by SingingLass:
Basically....there is not enough research out there to determine how ketones affect babies. When in ketosis you pass those ketones/ fat byproducts and the like through your bodily fluids....and thus most likely in your breast milk as well. Definately talk to a doctor, because you most likely will want to wait until after you are done breast feeding to do anything that puts you into ketosis

Original Poster replying:
Thanks everyone! You guys are doing awesome! Most def will contact my doctor tomorrow! Thanks for the great advice!!!

Another KK:
Please let us know what he says.

Another KK:
Please do let us know what the dr says.
I'll pop in here and see what the answer is.
have a good day

Posted by Tippy Toes:
I don't think the Doctor will allow it nursing a baby. But the good news is nursing takes some weight off anyways. Perhaps the Doctor will allow a modified version. You can ask. But even if he says not now don't worry. When the baby is weaned you can always start then and as I said nursing should help take off some weight anyways. Congrats!

The voice of Reason was from a member:

another KK:
NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is NOT safe to start this diet at this time!! Please read this:

While she is breastfeeding her baby, what the components of her breastfeeding diet are, affect the nursing mother and her baby's nutrition. The breastfeeding for the mother might vary depending on how well she feeds her baby. The nursing mother produces at least 23 to 27 ounces of milk per day, containing 330 milligrams of calcium per quart. She needs an extra energy expenditure of at least 500 calories per day. Good nutrition is thus necessary for you to stay healthy and keep your baby healthy too.[...snipped...]

another KK:
lolokay- I so do hope that you have decided NOT to do Kimkins now. Your baby needs to come first and he/she needs nutritious breastmilk. As others have said the nursing will help you lose some weight, just eat healthy things not junk. I know 100+ is a lot to lose (I'm there with you) but you'll be glad for the healthy baby in the long run. Good luck to you

***After posts were made here and on the other board this was posted***

Then SingingLass's post:
Interesting this old thread was brought back up while they are trying to claim elsewhere that tippy told a nursing mother it was okay to do the plan. Obviously in this very post we have two admins and several members saying no already, and to talk to a dr.....including tippy. Please do not twist and take things elsewhere, it really does not matter anyway, because the people that count, the members here, have the truth of it right there to acess. Just really silly that some people have to twist things and lie to manifest "dirt"

Now why did SingingLass say old thread...since someone commented on this on the other board...SL was referring to the fact that the original question was posted 1 week 6 days ago. But a member recently posted (10 hours ago) to the thread and told the original poster that NO!! she could not breast feed and do this diet.
No one had definitively said no...until this member posted in the thread which brought it make up to the top in that forum. SingingLass viewed that as suspicious is my guess. Maybe SL feels no one should read over old posts and try to help get correct answers to a member???

Then the member who had posted NO!! NO!!! NO!!! posted this:
Apparently we still have a few spies lurking, you think, Singinglass? I'm afraid it will probably always be that way. You just have to not worry about what is being said outside, if you know you're doing the right thing. Don't let them get your goat.
This happens to be a real concern of mine (if you look at previous postings you'll see I also was quite worried about a young pregnant lady on one of my groups).
If you don't mind my asking, where is "elsewhere"? In another thread inside Kimkins or something like a personal blog

****Note that this post by SL was added after concerns were raised on the boards**

Now SingingLass posted this about 4 hours ago:
::nod:: I have always seen it advised on this site that pregnant and nursing mothers not do the plan and discuss other options with their doctors. There just is not enough research out there on the long term affects on ketones on babies etc....and atkins also advised in his book that pregnant and nursing mothers not do the plan.
I actually got into arguments on the " other" site back before I came over here of women saying they nursed their babies while in ketosis/ on atkins and who advised others they could do the same. I just would think it is not worth the risk

KK member posts:
You know, I never considered ketones! I was thinking basic nutritional requirements, calcium, calories, etc.
Wow, ketosis could be a whole 'nother issue couldn't it?

End of the thread as of now..........

Like I said earlier...In my opinion if the policy of Kimkins is- NO One Nursing should do the plan- then that should have been the answer given by the KIMKINS STAFF- Not saying....talk to your doctor, not enough research, he may let you do a modified version because I am not sure. I mean it is either policy or it is not!!!
Why couldn't they say that?!?!? Is it because then a refund would have to be given?? I mean what is the reason if it is their policy?
Very interesting, how singinglass went back just hours ago, and added more to that "OLD thread" and said more on the subject really, then what she advised the member to do in the beginning.
Not until it got attention by the member posting a definite NO!! And also by the forums discussing the thread did she do that!
Makes me feel that if they were not being watched that things would be back to usually 500 calories a day message in no time!!!

[HoneyBee2]

Skiddy appeared on ALC and like I said quoted what was posted at kimkins by tippy and then called the ALC member MeeMee..Amy. Here is Skiddy's post-

Originally Posted by skiddy

Amy aka Mee Mee, telling stories such as these just makes the case stronger in the Kimkins favor. Please, if you want the case to stand don't lie.

To Skiddy's post I posted-

Skiddy- Thanks for the quote, however, the entire quote was posted in the other forum where MeeMee read it and granted the post from Tippy doesn't say to do Kimkins, but it also does not say don't do kimkins either.

The point is someone nursing may get the idea that it is ok to do the plan because they don't consult with a physician. Even those who do, as we have seen with other members, they incorrectly inform their doctor they are eating lean meats, vegetables or doing a healthy lowcarb diet, which does not exactly describe Kimkins.

They do not go in with a calorie count only an idea of the menu found on the homepage or those that have joined take the different plans but there are no approximation of calories there either. The problem is that the members have been lead to believe that they are eating a healthy balanced diet, because of the splenda coating of the facts and the deceptive marketing tools utilized by kimkins. Many members don't even realize how low their calories are until they plug them into a fit day program.

Remember, the majority are people who apparently don't know the nutritional value of food or the calories associated with their food choices or they wouldn't be there in the first place. Therefore, we can't assume that everyone would see the harm and would precede with caution in that situation. Especially, a mother of a newborn who is dealing with many body and hormone changes, making it difficult just trying to balance everything, without having to read between the lines of a post. IMHO an unequivocal "NO" would have been the best answer.

BTW- Is this Singinglass? If so where have you been and are you still comfortable with your role in the entire Kimkins fraud?
BabyBug (HoneyBee ex-KKer)


ETA-an "s" to thank

[Katinsac]

Like I said earlier...In my opinion if the policy of Kimkins is- NO One Nursing should do the plan- then that should have been the answer given by the KIMKINS STAFF- Not saying....talk to your doctor, not enough research, he may let you do a modified version because I am not sure. I mean it is either policy or it is not!!!
Why couldn't they say that?!?!? Is it because then a refund would have to be given?? I mean what is the reason if it is their policy?

ITA....There should have been no discussion on this other than NO!! TT's "modified version" really made me mad too. Who in their right mind would want a nursing mother to follow that plan? (guess I answered my own question, lol). I do have to agree they'd probably have to give a refund also. Not to let the Mother off easy...why did she even ask under the circumstances? Geeze....

My opnion on SL answering the "old" thread....I don't think they catch a lot of the questions being asked and comments by other over there "until" it shows up in these threads. I think the last month or so they have been spending too much time running around between all the LC sites and blogs trying to figure out what we are all doing and where they need to tweek their site. Sure hope Kimmer gave them a raise!!!

Thanks Honey for all your hard work on this and everything else.

ETA: Sorry, didn't know I was in bold...

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

End of the thread as of now..........

Like I said earlier...In my opinion if the policy of Kimkins is- NO One Nursing should do the plan- then that should have been the answer given by the KIMKINS STAFF- Not saying....talk to your doctor, not enough research, he may let you do a modified version because I am not sure. I mean it is either policy or it is not!!!
Why couldn't they say that?!?!? Is it because then a refund would have to be given?? I mean what is the reason if it is their policy?
Very interesting, how singinglass went back just hours ago, and added more to that "OLD thread" and said more on the subject really, then what she advised the member to do in the beginning.
Not until it got attention by the member posting a definite NO!! And also by the forums discussing the thread did she do that!
Makes me feel that if they were not being watched that things would be back to usually 500 calories a day message in no time!!!

[Katinsac]

SL seems to have recovered quite well from her threatening phone calls too.

[HoneyBee2]

After Skiddy made a post on the other board, then MeeMee found some posts Of tippy's that referred to her cat and its name is Skiddy......

Then MeeMee wrote:
To Skiddy (Tippy admin)
hmmm ... tippy's post
and another hmmm ...$$$$ B.A.N.T.A. BABES T.I.T.Y and closer to Vega$ March 20-23 $$$$

MeeMee wrote:
Well said, BBug! And no it's not SL, it's The Tipper herself. Hopefully she's not too stupid to realize that negligence in cases of child endangerment and/or wrongful death are just the teensiest bit more bad-bad than mere consumer fraud.[b]

Then MeeMee wrote:
Hang on ... "Skiddy" is accusing AMY of posting as ME? hmm so who do we know who is obsessed with Amy and blames everything on Amy? hmmm ... who could it beeeeeee?
Could it be Heidi? Or Heidi pretending to be Tippy? Or Tippy pretending to be Heidi pretending to be Tippy?
The Shadow knows. <---- who else here is old enough to understand this reference?

Then BabyBug/HoneyBee said:
Wow, I am shocked that Skiddy is not SL. I mean the post was polite and no misspelled words, so if it is Tippy she had some help or she now has an editor.
Skiddy who are you? If you are Tippy defending yourself, then that is allowed, so don't become "fawn" and start talking in third person all the time just state it is you so we can discuss the matter at hand.
Singinglass, you were nosing around here, because I saw your post on kimkins about reading this message regarding the nursing mother. That is why I thought it could be you as well as the tone of Skiddy's post here.
So which is it?
Kimmer- If it is you just let us know so I can call John and have him update the legal paperwork to read 1-101does...since now you are Skiddy as an alias too...

BTW-Harry Potter sux!!!.:::runs away ducking hoping that it will call SL out::::

Skiddy has not Skidded back in yet?!?!? I am still leaning to it being SL because it was polite in tone and Kimmer would have to put in jabs, innuendos and some underlying meaning. We don't even have to discuss why Tippy would have some problems posting, but she may have gotten coached.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

My opnion on SL answering the "old" thread....I don't think they catch a lot of the questions being asked and comments by other over there "until" it shows up in these threads. I think the last month or so they have been spending too much time running around between all the LC sites and blogs trying to figure out what we are all doing and where they need to tweek their site. Sure hope Kimmer gave them a raise!!!

Thanks Honey for all your hard work on this and everything else.

ETA: Sorry, didn't know I was in bold...

Your welcome, no problem... I know it is long but I felt like without having the stuff at Kimkins it doesn't make sense.

Oh It prolly was bold because I bolded my comments in the quote thread. I change fonts and bold all the time. It may be a no-no as far as posting. But it doesn't bother me when others do it because it helps break up the page.........

Now I have to see if I can post the images of the Mikey Likes Stacker thread.

[Katinsac]

maybe there is no SL and TT and they are all Heidi! lol...

they are all starting to blend together you know, lol....they all give me a headache! If it was TT...she had someone edit or sat there with the dictionary until done but if it was nice, I'd have to agree, more SAL than TT or Heidi. SL tries to be kissy, kissy

[Katinsac]

lol...I haven't figured out how to add a pic in my text yet...would like a bigger font though...I'll check it out sometime tomorrow

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Chelveston

I think FG may have written his letter of resignation with that little gem. I'm guessing that he's been banned. In a couple days, we should see him posting again recommending things that are "uncharacteristic" of him.

That is what I was afraid may happen too, so another one to add to the list. He was actually doing a good job and he may have just needed a break but odd how it came immediately after that day of posting about 1200 calories.

Originally Posted by Elloise

Question -- I have read every Fascination thread except for part of #3, I think. At times, when everything was moving so fast, I think my speedreading got the best of me and I started missing some things. Like the Wonder Woman references. I remember people snickering because Heidi was evidently getting into the Captain Morgan one night and posting. That's about the time someone showed up with the hilarious avatar of a Wonder Woman cross dresser. But how did the Wonder Woman jokes start? Was it something from the Kimmer board or something someone here said???? TIA
BTW - I'm working on my 2nd Cosmopolitan this evening, making them as LC as possible. I think 2 will be enough.

Oh you have to read the wonder woman rampage...it starts here Why the fascination with Kimmer? #3

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