Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by susique333

This is what creeps me out....I was so gung-ho on that diet my posts were for the most part super positive, I wonder if she changed my name (Susique333) and put in a new one after I got banned.

Well, there is still a susiquee333 on KK. Last Access date is 10/22/07, last post was 7/23/07. Hmmm. Wonder who's using your login?

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

You never know with Heidi. I would love to read a list of all her various cons and scams she has pulled off over the years. Then to also know how she did them. I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg of the lies and deception she has been a part of over the years.

BTW- Speaking of school and cons...Does anyone know how Dr. Mark has the "Doctor" title, when the only school he referenced for his education lists a masters as the highest degree, not a doctorate?

Seems like the school he went to closed...
Was it even accredited?
Not sure why I may have to look into that too.

He speaks ( speaks-types , same thing ) as a laymen.
And full of BS and not addressing the problems at hand.
Yes I know Dr don't type ( and all that blah ) .. but they sure can cover their arses!

What in the world is happening on that site?
Maybe all their needs are being met.?? Yes?
Is anyone keeping up? or is it dead there?

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Now, which shakes are we talking about here Tanner?...I was kidding about the tilapia and chicken shake for k/E, but the other recipe with the cabbage, flax seed, spinach, yellow squash,berries, coconut milk, whey protein and Davinci vanilla are real. I just started them this week and even have the kids drinking them. I made one today with peanut butter and a chocolate based protein drink. The color does make it a little issue with the kids so I started them by saying it was a 'monster's brew' shake. See pic. But I also read where others have done them with some crystal lite berry or something that will change the color. I was trying to avoid that route but I may have to try it if the kids are freaked out over the color after Halloween.
But I would have never thought to try the veggies in a shake if I hadn't read Fawn's shake thread. I have chopped vegetables up and hide them in casseroles or pizza..etc...but the shake was something totally new.
You know you want to give it a try........

I'm hanging out with a friend who recommends that the kids will like drinking something called "dirtmilk" and it will sound cool. So after halloween tell them to ask for dirtmilk.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Kona sunset

CJane! Hope it's a great one!

Thanks, Kona!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Chelveston

I think it goes with his claiming more than is actually true - see "primary care physician" on his web site.
It makes sense to me, that's why he's always "Dr." (always in quotation marks) when I refer to him.
Thanks for pointing out the accreditation for only a "master of oriental medicine." I had thought they were accredited for "doctor of orienta lmedicine," which while sounding more impressive, still only qualifies its holder to be a garden variety "acupuncturist".

Your right his claims don't seem to match the actual truth and I think by most definitions that is lying. So it bothers me IF he is not all that he claims to be. This was my thought process and the references I used are listed as well.

I. Primary Care Physician title-The primary care physician title, like you and Kim pointed out, is definitely a no-no.
A. Where does he claim to be a Primary Care Physician? His website:
•"Licensed as an Acupuncture Physicianby the Florida Department of Health. Dr. Brinson is considered as a Primary Care Physcian. His license covers a broad range...[.....]"
Reference:website-"Dr. Mark Brinson's website"
B. What are the rules pertaining to him stating he is a Primary Care Physician?
per the acupuncture board rules, he is not a Primary Care physician. Here is an excerpt from statutes that involve regulation of the acupuncture providers in Florida-457.102 Definitions.
[(2) "Acupuncturist" means any person licensed as provided in this chapter to practice acupuncture as a primary health care provider.] Reference-The 2007 Florida Statutes

He can call himself a primary care provider, but NOT a Primary Care Physician as he has done at Kimkins and still is doing on his website.

II. What license he holds in Florida?:
Dr. Mark's license that is active in Florida states-
•MARK THOMAS BRINSON
LICENSE NUMBER: AP1382
Profession
LICENSED ACUPUNCTURIST
Reference: Florida Department of HealthFDOH


His website still states he is a Primary Care Physician which is not true, nor allowed by those that regulate his acupuncture license and how is he still called "Dr." as a licensed Acupunturist?

III. Education

A. What type of degree does he have?
"In January of 2000 he graduated his 4 year
program as a Doctor of Oriental Medicine."
reference:"Meet Dr.Brinson section on his website:"Dr. Mark Brinson's" website
B. Now where did he get his education?
1)-“Went to post graduate at The Florida Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine”.
2)-“In January of 2000 he graduated his 4 year program as a Doctor of Oriental Medicine.”
Reference: Kimkins.com-(This was the information that was provided in two different posts the day he came to Kimkins-The first from him and the second in his introduction or the "sticky" about him).

Therefore based on his statements and his website it leads one to believe he went to The Florida Insitute of Traditional Chinese Medicine for 4 years and graduated in 2000 from there as a Doctor of Oriental Medicine.

IV. What type of degree is offered at The Florida Institute Of Traditional Chinese Medicine?
A. The Florida Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine where Dr. Mark states he got his training doesn’t offer a 4 year program. In an article from Acupuncture Today November 2002, Vol. 03, Issue 11, it states “FITCM was founded by Dr. Ku in St. Petersburg in 1986. Approximately 65 students currently attend the Institute, which offers a three-year master's degree in Chinese medicine, including 800 hours of clinical experience. Its degree program obtained candidacy status from ACAOM in May 1995 and became accredited in November 1999.”
reference:Acupuncture Today


V. What statutes in Florida cover using the title "Dr"?
A. 2007 Florida Statutes-817.567 Making false claims of academic degree or title.
"No person awarded a doctorate degree from an institution not listed in subsection (1) shall claim in the state, either orally or in writing, the title "dr." before the person's name or any mark, appellation, or series of letters, numbers, or words, such as, but not limited to, "Ph.D.," "Ed.D.," "D.N.," or "D.Th.," which signifies, purports, or is generally taken to signify satisfactory completion of the requirements of a doctorate degree, after the person's name."
A person who violates the provisions of subsection (1) or subsection (2) commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Reference:Florida Statutes

His claims and his statements on his website and/or kimkins do not appear to be correct or there are other points I have not considered. This reads to me as either he is not listing all his education or institutions where he received additional education as one option-Or-the other option is that he is using the title "Dr." incorrectly the same as he is using the title of "Primary Care Physician" incorrectly.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by CJane

TY! I took my avitor pic today since I was already done up to have my drivers license renewed (tomorrow is my b-day). I wish I could use that one on my DL instead of the awful one that's on it now. Why can't the DMV ever take any good shots?

You look great! -- I'm sure they are just jealous!
With good cause !

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Tanner

You look great! -- I'm sure they are just jealous!
With good cause !

Thank you!

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by susique333

This is what creeps me out....I was so gung-ho on that diet my posts were for the most part super positive, I wonder if she changed my name (Susique333) and put in a new one after I got banned.

Well if history repeats and a leapord does not change spots ..

I guess you have your answer.

Time you do a C & D letter

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

Well, there is still a susiquee333 on KK. Last Access date is 10/22/07, last post was 7/23/07. Hmmm. Wonder who's using your login?

where do you look to see when the last access date is, etc.?

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by SMP

Yup, gave me a bit of a pause, too. Not that I'm a prude, but this IS a weight loss, not clothes lost site. And after I carefully avoided those Russian brides in their purported birthday suits, too!

Not a prude here either ! LOL
Just maybe not the right choice for the this board .
I searched the Russian board but they got a little crazy too LOL

This week I am having about 10 high school Jr over for physics homework - Again..( they come about every 2 wks. )
I can just see it now.. -- they are all at the table..
Dad -- can we verify the math on the computer now !
20 eyes gazing : This pops up? ( GULP )
How will this dad explain this to 16 yo drt and her peers?

Maybe some will be able to explain why this comes up on a low carb board.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Testosterone shots? I wouldn't mind an injection...

Ummm....Mayberryfan....we were talking about the type of testosterone injection where a syringe is used.....

Originally Posted by CJane

I knew that progesterone was not injected, but wasn't too sure about testosterone. Makes sense that it is administered similarly.
Thanks! You are sweet! As for Gary T...I can make no promises.

CJane I wanted to clarify my comment so I wasn't leading anyone astray here... The testosterone Can be done by injection, but due to the other vehicles like we said cream, gel ,patch most physicians prefer to use those routes over injection. In fact many hormones are being used topically this way to avoid the concerns associated with other routes, such as those found with oral or injection routes.
BTW- I am sending G.T my pic as soon as I can find the right Russian bride pic to send.
Also- It is officially your birthday now!!! <<<<HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU>>> I hope you have a special day!

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I'm hanging out with a friend who recommends that the kids will like drinking something called "dirtmilk" and it will sound cool. So after halloween tell them to ask for dirtmilk.

I like the dirtmilk idea! I also found you a mascot for your M&M diet. If you have a lime flavored martini....I probably shouldn't help you in your marketing since I have started the MM&M (meat, martini and meth)diet based off your original MM10-07 plan but I thought in case you want to be an affiliate one day....

[Katinsac]

One of Tippy's latest posts....quoting other diets but how "low" did each of these recommend?
Very low calorie diets Hours, Minutes ago Very low calorie diets 0 Minutes ago
I wanted to share some research with all of you concering vlcd, or very low calorie diets. Studies have shown that vlcd can extend the lifespan and slows the process of aging and free radicals as well.

From Dr. Atkins Age-Defying Diet, chapter 7, page 72, "No discussion of anti-aging theories can be complete without telling you about one of the best researched and most generously documented theories of how to extend your life span: the concept of restricting total calorie intake. Calorie restriction means a diet that's low in calories while still containing all the essential nutrients. As defined by its "inventor", UCLA researcher and Biospherean Roy Walford, it's "undernutrition without malnutrition". Walford's theory is that if you eat fewer calories, you'll burn less oxogen in your mitochondria, which in turn means you'll produce fewer free radicals. The theory is obviously closely tied to Denham Harman's conclusion that the accumulation of free radicals is the major cause of aging. Calorie restriction thus becomes a way of stopping free radical production at the source."

Dr. Atkins goes on to say he believes a low carb approach will also slow the aging process. Atkins was never fond of a low calorie approach but does believe in the reduction of free radicals.

Next is from The Zone, by Barry Sears, PH.D., chapter 16, page 109-110. "Scientists have already found a way to dramatically lengthen the life span in animals, and all evidence suggests that what can be done for animals can also be done for humans. What is this magical formula? Very simple: eat less food."..."There are a few indications that dietary restriction may extend human life expectancy in the same way that it extends life span in animals. People on the island of Okinawa, for example, are reported to eat 17 to 40 percent fewer calories than their peers in the rest of Japan. Yet Okinawans have only about 60 percent as much heart disease, stroke, and cancer as the Japanese. And Okinawa is among the world's leading producer of centenarians--people who live one hundred years or more. There's more evidence. In the 1960's, a team of scientists in Spain reported an experiement with two groups of elderly people in a nursing home. One group ate 'normally", while a second group ate a calorie-restricted diet. Over the course of three years, the calorie-restricted group had only half the death rate of the group who ate their fill."

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

In the 1960's, a team of scientists in Spain reported an experiement with two groups of elderly people in a nursing home. One group ate 'normally", while a second group ate a calorie-restricted diet. Over the course of three years, the calorie-restricted group had only half the death rate of the group who ate their fill."

I believe that's one of the studies Dr Mike Eades wrote about when he first started to write about intermittent fasting. If it's the one I'm thinking of, the elderly people ate about half the normal number of calories on alternate days, but ate as much as they wanted to in between, so they weren't necessarily reducing their overall caloric intake. Not to mention that it's hard enough to get all the nutrients you need in a "normal" calorie diet. It won't happen at reduced calories without a lot of thought and effort. It's not impossible, but it won't happen with any of the KK plans to date. Controlled carb's blog (Weight of the Evidence) has done some interesting comparisons of the nutritional content of various diets at different times, and she gives some good examples of how to put together a low carb diet that provides adequate levels of micronutrients.

I'm sticking with M&M .

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

where do you look to see when the last access date is, etc.?

Hi Kat- It is under the person's profile page. For example for susique333 I attached a thumbnail for her to see since she was asking about her screen name. If you look at the top middle box you see the last visit date: 10-22-07 with the time.
My bet is that it will capture the date one logs into just the main page even without access to the forums. I say this because Kimmer had stated that she had screen shots of banned members accessing the pages such as the food lists etc..in her reply to the BBB complaints and paypal complaints as well.

So Susique333 have you logged in at all?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

One of Tippy's latest posts....quoting other diets but how "low" did each of these recommend?
Very low calorie diets Hours, Minutes ago Very low calorie diets 0 Minutes ago
I wanted to share some research with all of you concering vlcd, or very low calorie diets. Studies have shown that vlcd can extend the lifespan and slows the process of aging and free radicals as well.

From Dr. Atkins Age-Defying Diet, chapter 7, page 72, "No discussion of anti-aging theories can be complete without telling you about one of the best researched and most generously documented theories of how to extend your life span: the concept of restricting total calorie intake. Calorie restriction means a diet that's low in calories while still containing all the essential nutrients. As defined by its "inventor", UCLA researcher and Biospherean Roy Walford, it's "undernutrition without malnutrition". Walford's theory is that if you eat fewer calories, you'll burn less oxogen in your mitochondria, which in turn means you'll produce fewer free radicals. The theory is obviously closely tied to Denham Harman's conclusion that the accumulation of free radicals is the major cause of aging. Calorie restriction thus becomes a way of stopping free radical production at the source."

Well, Tippy that is an interesting study, but it is unfortunate that it doesn't apply to Kimkins at all. Kimkins does *not* contain all the essential nutrients and is *not* medically supervised to ensure those needs are being met on such a low calorie diet. The kimkins diet does have malnutrition, hence the side-effects that many members are experiencing.
Kimkins can not be justified by saying it may extend one's life. That argument and theory are based on diets that meet the essential nutrients in their core make-up AS WRITTEN, not by the members having to figure it out on their own and being smarter than the founder of the diet.

[Katinsac]

Thanks, Honey..I checked mine and it shows my last time as the date I was banned.

How could susique log in if banned? If you are looking at what is left of the site, the part they tell us we still have access to which is only the diet (I think..never went back to look), you don't have to log in. Just open the home page and look at what you can. So is she recording your IP or something when you open that page?

[Katinsac]

Honey, in TTs posts I found it interesting that she did not mention the calorie count from any of these quotes. That leaves the KK people to believe that the 500 and below stuff is warranted by all of these people. I bet none of them even recommended the 800 cals TT is.

[Katinsac]

CJane...officially your b-day in CA!! Have a super relaxing one!!

[Katinsac]

with that...I will catch you all tomorrow. I did notice that "Dr" Mark had posted today but no sign of the FG. Night all.

[Kisal]

CJane:

[HoneyBee2]

oops...posted too soon

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Thanks, Honey..I checked mine and it shows my last time as the date I was banned.

How could susique log in if banned? If you are looking at what is left of the site, the part they tell us we still have access to which is only the diet (I think..never went back to look), you don't have to log in. Just open the home page and look at what you can. So is she recording your IP or something when you open that page?

To figure it our I just now did an experiment to see if my log-in date changed if I logged into the homepage only.
When I was an active member on Kimkins I was HoneyBee. I have a way to check my log-in profile information and earlier tonight my last visit stated that it was like 10-04-07.
I will occasionally log into the home page to verify that when I click on forums I still get the TOS