Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[ketosis]

OOOPS I responded before I finished reading the threads lol.

Postings on a public bb like this one are not easy to dispute in terms of ownership. But Kim's "articals", the before and after pictures and other "Works" are worth a try. Kim their argument might be that they paid for the articals so they own them but again she published them without crediting you so make that point to liquidweb. ANd the before and afters were used to promote her business so they are (IMHO) outside the realm of just postings on a public or private BB.

It is definitely worth a try as there are several cases including the cartoonist's work. I am hoping the cartoon owner is issuing a cease and desist for her using his cartoon after agreeing not to. That alone indicates bad faith so if anyone is in touch with him you might let him know a few others are taking this road.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

there wasn't one today saying kimkins owns the material posted but there will be now
waves to kimkins .com admins reading

I don't know, maybe that things have slowed down now they will catch it, but I am almost positive I posted about that issue many pages ago, but the thread was moving really fast then and Kimmer may have missed it that time.
So Hi Tippy- have you got those tips now?
Hi SingingLass- Whatever happened with those threatening phone calls?
Hi Kimmer- November 1st is approaching very fast. Have you got your lies straight?

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

There are three things to consider, because I don't think there is any fear of KK wanting to talk with the lawyers at the web host company!
1) Regarding the TOS changes-Does it say that upon changing the TOS they have to notify the members of this change? I thought that when the TOS changes that the members either have to be notified by email or have to "check" a box that they agree to the "new" TOS before signing in.
2)The copyright infringement that was done to Randy Glasbergen and Kim's articles is definitely in violation with liquid web's agreement with Kimkins.
I sent him the liquid web information in an email this morning so he could contact them if he wishes.
3)The other issue is banning of members without reason (ie. not violating TOS)which was done in many cases and kimkins being a fraudulent business. I would think when that occurs the TOS contract is void based on the business practices.
I don't think Liquid web would want it KNOWN that their lawyers were made aware of a fraudulent business that they were hosting. JMHO


ETA- I see everyone brought up these points...I was mixing my "Fawn Shake" and got side-tracked.

Honeybee they now have a very complex TOS with clauses about changing at any time and emailing members the changes at the mail adress they have on file for them.

On and Honeybee I found more to be found brides on the front pages of kimkins.com in thew wayback machine if we need to find them all. I have no idea who might be real as those names were not on the list littlebit verified as real but they were not on the list of to be checked out folk either.

[Katinsac]

Well, if she is "mailing" the new TOS to her mail list...we all know that when she banned she did not "update" her list so we all should be getting them too!! We got that great e-book, didn't we? lol

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

tt giving out OTC advice...how does she not know if this person is allergic to what might be in this stuff?

Like you I am terrified of needles. Like you I had to have a couple of tests done for a thyroid problem. However, my Doc had me buy a special cream for the bloodwork. You rub in into the vien area and wrap with Seran wrap for 1 hour prior. This cream will numb your arm so well you really won't feel a thing (don't look). Mine was prescribed BUT I also found it over the counter. This is what it is: LMX 4 4% cream 15 gram Topical Anesthetic. If you can't find it ask for a pre_script_ion. This stuff is wonderful for needle sissys like us.

Yes I think I looked pretty silly going in with my arm wrapped up, lol! But I didn't feel a thing. And I will continue to use this everytime I get bloodwork done. I don't have to go back for a year but I will not forget this product!

Oh for God's sake! I cannot believe a grown woman is so afraid of a blood test that she would go through all of that! If I were that pathetic, I would not admit it on the internet, let alone be giving advice like this to someone else.

[Katinsac]

Her latest Blog entry...another play on words?

Traditional Low Fat Diet Doesn't Reduce Cancer & Heart Disease Risk Wow. The "Rolls Royce" of studies indicates that the traditional weight loss diet of low fat and high carbs doesn't reduce the risk of cancer or heart disease.

Kimkins dieters should keep in mind that Kimkins is low fat low carb and that makes a big difference. Carbs = sugars = inflammation.

The largest study ever to ask whether a low-fat diet reduces the risk of getting cancer or heart disease has found that the diet has no effect.

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Well, if she is "mailing" the new TOS to her mail list...we all know that when she banned she did not "update" her list so we all should be getting them too!! We got that great e-book, didn't we? lol

When the "ebook" was sent, was it sent alone or with something else? I never received it and was assured way back when I pm'd "kimmer" about it that I would be one of the first to be notified

Kim and Cheryl...your info is still in the newsletters (Cheryl your pics and story # 5) and KimATC in #17,18,19,20 and 21 (although this last one doesn't give credit to anyone)
The KK cruise is still in the last newsletter along with contact info for Becky.
Haven't seen any newsletters in sometime, but the page states they would be published twice a month...

[Katinsac]

Want the e-book? Here it is....now, don't stay up all night reading it. Thanks Tippy!! (Mods...hope this is OK)

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[Katinsac]

And here I sit eating a hard boiled egg when I could of had those pancakes!!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by GinaC

It was determined several threads ago that her host is Liquid Web, Inc. Kim has already sent her C&D to the host.
Get's a little hard sometimes to remember all the info in the previous threads!

Hi GinaC where have you been young lady? LOL...good to see you posting. Yep, this thread does move a little fast.
Kim just posted that she sent them a C&D last night and I am assuming it was after Ketosis posted on that subject with the Liquid Web policy information. The particulars of liquidweb's policy and how it pertained to kimkin's infringement on copyrights was something I had not caught before so good catch Ketosis! I did email that information to Randy Glasbergen this morning and Kat it is still there. Under the pie chart you see: A bit of "pie" chart humor for Kimkins members! If you click on the kimkins link it shows the cartoon. I just took a screen shot of it. See below

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Honeybee they now have a very complex TOS with clauses about changing at any time and emailing members the changes at the mail adress they have on file for them.

On and Honeybee I found more to be found brides on the front pages of kimkins.com in thew wayback machine if we need to find them all. I have no idea who might be real as those names were not on the list littlebit verified as real but they were not on the list of to be checked out folk either.

Yes, I bet she does, but she still has to follow through and honor the TOS by notifying those members by email. But you know how that goes.
I am not sure but I can ask the lawyer if it would help the case or actually I will run it by Jeanessa for her to ask him in order to keep emails to him down to a minimum. Thanks for letting me know.

[Katinsac]

Interesting, Honey....it came up blank for me.

ETA: OK...didn't click on the link....sorry! lol

[2big4mysize]

hey since you got the ebook and back on the front page of her site it said the book was being written by kimmer in her adress to new folk wanting to join in the what does the membership get you does that "book" say it was written by Kimmer? I know from theTruths PMs tippy said she was going to create it on her cruise so doesn't that make the "ebook" as distributed part of the fraud too?

[Katinsac]

SAD:

How do I get paid to get people to join? 2 Hours, 14 Minutes ago I read in another thread that you can get paid to have people join and I have several people interested in joining. What information do I give them and where do I find it?? Thanks in advance!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

And here I sit eating a hard boiled egg when I could of had those pancakes!!

Hey I just had a "Fawn's Shake". Have you done one of those before? It was good! I really like it and I am soooooooooo full.

[Katinsac]

Boy, these people just don't learn or listen to themselves:

Becoming afraid of food. 3 Hours, 37 Minutes ago Hey all...

Just wanted to see if anyone else out there is experiencing a fear of food. I'm getting closer to goal and have been very strict with myself thus far. My weightloss is of course slowing down and that is okay when I think rationally about it. But I have to be honest everytime I have a week of only a 1 lb. loss (a couple of times even less.) I try to cut something else out the next week, and of course once you cut it out you're afraid to add it back in.
I have a host of issues that rationally would cause me to add a few items back into my diet but I'm having a hard time convincing myself it's okay to do it. Issue's like dizzyness, fatique, being cold all the time and the worst is the inability to go to the bathroom. I'm happy if I go more than once a week! (Plus I think I'm a little paranoid, I feel like everyone is waiting for me to mess up and gain back the weight) Occassionally when I add a small lettuce salad to my dinner and my husbands teases me about cheating, I know he is joking but it still ticks me off....
And the closer I get to maintanence the more worried I get....

Anyway thanks for listening.... Think I just need to say it out loud... (or at least type it) LOL

Take Care All!

Tippy's Reply:

xxxxx, time to learn some maintanence techniques. Cutting your calories lower and lower may not be the best answer. Why not take a peek in on the cycle thread and learn more about that plan? When I cycle I prefer to do it with Atkins because I maintain best on Atkins. What happens when you "cycle" is on the week of doing another plan you don't lose weight and may even experience a slight gain. (If you choose Atkins start with induction and go easy on the fats but do include some) When you switch back to a Kimkins plan it seems to get the weight loss going again without making cutbacks. I get the impression you know cutting back more and more is not good for the maintenance aspect and I would agree. I think cycling will help you. Please don't be afraid to try it. It does work. I lost over 60 lbs doing this myself.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

just checked and the cartoon is no longer there...just the pie chart

Nope, Glasbergen's cartoon is right where it has been...inside the Kimkins link below the pie chart. It got me last week, too.

[TerryC]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Hey I just had a "Fawn's Shake". Have you done one of those before? It was good! I really like it and I am soooooooooo full.

HB which variation did you use? I've been wanting to try it but there were so many variations I didn't know what was the original.

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Hey I just had a "Fawn's Shake". Have you done one of those before? It was good! I really like it and I am soooooooooo full.

lol...I think it would make me barf!!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

When the "ebook" was sent, was it sent alone or with something else? I never received it and was assured way back when I pm'd "kimmer" about it that I would be one of the first to be notified

Kim and Cheryl...your info is still in the newsletters (Cheryl your pics and story # 5) and KimATC in #17,18,19,20 and 21 (although this last one doesn't give credit to anyone)
The KK cruise is still in the last newsletter along with contact info for Becky.
Haven't seen any newsletters in sometime, but the page states they would be published twice a month...

Pisses me off ....... She never paid me for her edited story and my pictures..... Is she that dense? Also what name is she using under my/her success story and picture? I heard that she changed the name on some of my posts but forgot to ask about my story/pic.

[Katinsac]

Anybody want to go to Laurel Fork with TT next summer? lol

GATHERING FOR 2008 1 Hour, 26 Minutes ago I called Laurel Fork today and boy does this place sound promising! And peaceful! Seems we can hike up the Appalachian Trail to a beautiful water fall that is one of the states finest! So be prepared for a walk if we do book here. They say it is an easy hike. There is a lake nearby and they rent boats. The conference room is free for our use with enough people booking rooms. Cabins can be shared or rented individually. And you can camp. Shopping is close by . And Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge are not that far away either. The lady says it is rural mountains and they are very close to the N. Carolina border. The large house has a big kitchen and many cabins also have kitchens. We will need kitchens for food prep. However, there is no central large BBQ for our use. They only have little ones at the camp sites. We will have to think about what we can do there. We do have a large grill at our TN house BUT with gas prices we likely will take the little bitty car. So, not sure about that delima. But we have plenty of time to figure this all out and as I said I will look when I go for my next visit which will be fairly soon. I am getting very excited!

Oh, and the rates are the same year round! I was happy to hear that! So even though I was considering May because generally the rates change for summer it can be any month.

So I need your imput, Kimkinettes! What month is best for everyone?

[Jazlyn]

I am ready to puke just reading the ingredients for those pancakes. No wonder kimkinites lose so quickly. I would rather starve than eat that.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't kimmer against sugar free syrups and things?