Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[ketosis]

This is her business registration on godaddy:


Kimkins.com
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Still can't find the host but doing it during commercials on The Bachelor

[Locarb4me]

ketosis, does this help?

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[Tanner]

Originally Posted by centralpa

Antigone: No flames from me, I agree with you. The thing that burns me up is that Jimmy and OTHER AFFILIATES TOO, have never come clean with how much money they made by being associated with Kimmer.

It's one thing for affiliates to come crawling back to the LCF' flock, to apologize, to be self-righteous in their newly-realized indignation about Kimmer ... but to not be upfront about the money they made? Seem hypocritical to me.

Wendy

Gee I don't remember the last time I discussed how much I make or put away with anyone but my wife.. not even my peers at work -- who are on the same wage scale I am on..

Well I'm an kinda private when it comes to how much I make or spend or how much I store away for a rainy day.
I'm sure you and many others are not an " open book " in regard to your wages, spending, saving, stocks, bonds, et al -- etc $$$.. ( gasp ) At least I hope not????

Are you willing to open up your books to whoever asks?
Maybe I am misunderstanding what is burning you up?
My personal feelings on this is : Noneya.
Unless you feel that you have been cheated by him in some way?
Then I say go for it.. After all - the Lady in the Red has been found!

Yes of course they both made money..
He admitted he was wrong but why throw him under the bus still?
Sound like a Kimmer thing to do if you ask me...

Don't get me wrong - I never agreed with the Jimmy going in with the Kim.
Lord knows - Who would want to get by with a menu like that?

IMO - he went in to this like MANY here on this thread did -- he may have had extra motive - yes - that is part of life. He would be a fool not to use his available resources

But I think w/l was his ultimate goal and getting past the plateau he seemed to be on.

At least that is how I read the whole saga..

Well -- I have no ties to Jimmy

I thought this thread was about the KIMMERS?

Maybe the quietness is getting to us ! LOL

I digress.

It's Monday!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

locarb...is it in a thread? where is it?

Home Page, scroll down to the blogs listing.

Look at the one called Kimkins Cartoon and under the pie chart cartoon see :
A bit of "pie" chart humor for Kimkins members! The word Kimkins is linked to the cartoon in question.

[serenity_aus]

Originally Posted by Mariasol

I just checked facebook and found one listing. I reported it as spam and gave them the link to kimkins dangers.

I hope you didn't find the kimkins sucks group and report it

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Good Morning Girls (and Gents)!

( snipped )


And I'll add: my friends second cousins uncles girlfriends grandfathers mistress twice removed who was an affiliate told me they just finally got rid of the phony picture banners as an option to sell with (took them long enough, and maybe the complaint we filed last week did the trick!!!). All that is left are the types of text ads that say Hottest Celebrity Diet. I want to know which celebrities are still doing this diet (or EVER did this diet).

LMAO! -- OMG! -- THAT IS FUNNY !

[tiggerr]

Here's a cartoon for Heidi/Kimmer.

[kakay]

For Cheryl's dh. My dad had 2 aortic aneuresyms. He went to the cardiologist for test for PAD(legs) and just so happend they went a little farther up and found them. They were to the point of rupture. It was a terrible surgery but he pulled thru it. Does your husband have symptoms? My dad had trouble with his stomach bloating, he looked pregnant. It took several weeks in the ICU and several months of recovery. I hope this isnt what your dh has but I also hope if it is they caught it and can do surgery to correct it. My dad had to go back about once a year for test to make sure it was still holding. He has since passed on to his Heavenly Home. He didnt die from this tho. When my dad had the test for PAD he had to have a driver, it is sort of like a Heart Cath. So make sure your dh wont need you to drive him home.

[ItsTheWooo]

Scuze me but can someone explain to clueless me what the "duck" inside joke thin means?

Is there anywhere I can go to catch up on the goings on of the kimmer controversy?I lost track somewhere after the first set of photos were revealed

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

Who knew what and when did they know it?

Jimmy may have caused some damage, but I don't hold him in contempt for what he did any more than I do the well publicized real success stories - Christin, Deni, etc. And just for the record, I don't hold any of them in contempt either, even though it was their success stories that brought so many people to KK. Jimmy's constant promotion of KK, and the affiliate links from his site brought people to KK, but not nearly as many as were brought in by the WW article though! It was the couple of weeks right after the WW article that brought in as many as 35,000 of the 40,000 members. Most of that 35,000 member surge can be attributed directly to the success stories published in WW, which had nothing to do with affiliate links being on Jimmy's site.

If we don't ask that Deni, Christin, and Cartbabe (whose success stories brought people to KK) refrain from talking about the things that are wrong with KK, why should we treat Jimmy any differently? He has always come across as very brash, and he's not completely innocent in all this (especially in the case of changing the commenter's post to look like he was being praised instead of what it really said), but what of the many others on the internet who had affiliate links on their websites, blogs, my space pages, and You Tube videos, without thoroughly checking out the diet? Many of those have also turned their backs on KK now, after promoting it heavily for months. Do we insist that they just shut up and not say anything against it? They should have all done their homework on it - and the ones who are pulling out now actually have the advantage of being able to find out it was a complete scam. Jimmy didn't have that advantage back when he was promoting it.

Have I reached the party to whom I am speaking?

I don't look at the phone call as being some kind of grandstanding or childish prank on his part - he was trying to get a reaction from her about the KTLA stories. He had her phone number from the phone interview. He had her voice on his podcast. Kimmer was flat out claiming on KK that she and Heidi were two different people. I don't blame him for getting another sample of her voice, and to see if he could get some kind of "explanation" from her, or at least audio confirmation that she was lying about Kimmer and Heidi not being one and the same.

The podcast in which he presented the results of this phone call was very well organized, and designed to show any remaining KKer's that Heidi and everything about her site were nothing more than a big scam.

Was it self promotional? Well yeah, of course! But that promotion only reaches as far as his blogs and podcast - its' not like he went on CNN and made a heavily promoted live call to her in front of millions of viewers during sweeps week. Despite the fact that lots of people in the LC world are aware of his blog and podcast, it's not like there are millions who check in there every day. It's still a very limited venue.

The Love Of Money

Yes, he makes money from the affiliate links on his various sites - so do a lot of other bloggers. It was obvious to me that they were affiliate links from the first time I saw them on there.

A full disclosure would have been nice (early on - he has one now, of course), but only the internet-naive would have been inclined to think he'd put all these big flashy links to websites that were selling things, all over his blog, simply because he had no consideration for his readers, who had to scroll down through all that junk to get to his latest post. It was obvious he was doing the affiliate links to make money, which as we know now, is enough to support him and his wife. If you think the KK links must have made him an obscene amount of money, even though those are gone now, he still seems to be making adequate money to take all kinds of trips, and seeing various specialists about infertility problems, etc. He didn't start most of that until after the KK links came down. I don't know about you, but I'd have been putting the brakes on my spending after that, if my biggest cash cow had just gone dry, instead of increasing my spending. So from the way it looks, he must have been getting a very minimal amount of income from the KK links, in comparison to the other links on his site.

About the interviews

I had been reading his blog since before he put up the first KK links, and reading his interviews with various doctors, authors, and yes, Kimmer too. The interviews never really struck me as being conducted in person, and they never really struck me as being phone interviews either. The fact that he would ask a complex question (on the order of "This person says this. I've always done that. This research claims X. You say Y. Can you tell us how you came to this conclusion?"), then there would be a lengthy answer - but generally speaking there was no give and take, no back and forth on a single area of the subject they were discussing - in other words, nothing I would consider to be good "follow-up questions" in his interviews, so they never struck me at all as being "conversational" interviews in any way. His interviews always smacked of being done in writing - in other words, by email. I had no problem with this - I mean this is the internet, and face to face meetings, or even phone conversations with people you meet on the internet are quite out of the ordinary. I couldn't imagine that all of the important people he'd interviewed had found time in their busy schedules to accommodate even a scheduled phone interview, so I assumed that with very few exceptions (which he promoted heavily - such as the interview with... I think it was Ornish), that they were all done via email. So that's how I assumed he did the first Kimmer interview, too. Just saying "You look good today" I assumed was based on the photos she was pawning off as photos of herself.

To Tweak or not to Tweak?

As far as him standing up for her for so long, considering that he thought he was doing Kimkins, while only eating "a little less fat" than he had on Atkins induction, and still eating frankenfoods, it's obvious he really didn't know what the diet was all about. He insisted that he wasn't going very low calorie - and for good reason - He wasn't doing a VLCD because he wasn't really doing KK!

I don't think he bothered to sit down and add up what the plans consisted of (like we have done so many times on here), and choosing to only reduce his fat intake slightly, while still eating his frankenfoods, meant that he was staying at a much more reasonable calorie level than KK promoted, not to mention that by eating the way he did and using FiberCon, he probably never even had reason to wander into areas of the KK forum that promoted the plan behind the plan.

How would one even know about the PBTP, if you never saw it? How would one even know about the constant advice to go lower and lower on calories, if you never saw it?

I suspect Hidey was very happy to have him stay in the parts of the forum that kept him away from that information - she may have even kept plenty of sock puppets posting to him in the areas he frequented, just to make sure he didn't wander into the areas she didn't want him to know about, since she had to have known that he was well aware of the dangers of combining extremely low fat with low carb, he'd had posts about just that very topic on his blog before.

Whose fault is it, anyway?

I tend to think that no one person who promoted her scam is any more at fault than any other. (EXCEPT HEIDI!!!) Are others who promoted her scam responsible for not looking into it further? To a certain degree, yes. Googling for information didn't help much in those days though. Yes, there was information available on LCF, but Jimmy had long since been banned from here, and the ask kimmer thread is quite the behemoth to wade through. If you didn't follow it as it was produced, it would be something akin to going back through and reading all 8 of the fascination threads!

Heidi played all these people like a fine tuned instrument. She's a master manipulator. She conned so many people into forking over their hard earned money to obtain dangerous dietary advice. Some of those were conned into promoting her scam for her. Jimmy was one of them.

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Sorry this is such a long post - I do tend to get carried away....

Excellent post. Not long for me.
You said what I was thinking.. and then some - more gracefully.
I like that you are right out with it!

Dern Heidi-Kimmers ! -- she bring out the worst in us..
We are going at each other?

Whatz up with that?

[susyhammer]

Kimmer has always been very divisive. I saw it happen right here on LCF in 2004.

(You know what they say - divide and conquer. She's a master.)

I applaud everyone here who is working very hard to prevent any (more) conquering on Ms. Diaz's part.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by wantingtoloose

You know this weird concoction actually does exist. My husband told me that his grandmothers use to give this to him some mornings as a breakfast substitute when he was a little boy.

That is SICK for anyone esp a GM .. LMAO - if you only knew!

What ever happen to good old fashioned WHOLE FOODS!

BLESS their hearts now..

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

Here's a cartoon for Heidi/Kimmer.

LOL
This is soo much like the real world and even so the corporate world.. LOL

I loved this one..

[MollyBrown]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

...

What I'm curious about when I read the lawsuit is one member paid over $100 for her membership. How on earth did she get that when her publishes rates were much lower? At least we know that member joined the class action lawsuit..

Perhaps the member bought more than one membership, for a family member who wanted their own ID?

Prayers to you, Cheryl, and yours.

[Diana]

So we can post numbers now? I wasn't sure ... I had posted this back in thread 2 I believe...

Originally Posted by ketosis

This is her business registration on godaddy:


Kimkins.com
+1.(951) 258-3976 Phone
Suite 104-309
529 N. McKinley Street
Corona, California 92879
United States
Kimkins
webmaster@kimkins.com
View Map View Map
Business Type(s):
Health & Medical; Services
Operating Hours:
24/7
Description:
Paid membership based diet website offering diet plan, food list, recipe base, forums, chat, private messenging and personal mentoring.


Still can't find the host but doing it during commercials on The Bachelor

[centralpa]

Here are all of my favorite Kimmer signatures (with author) in alphabetical order. What's YOURS??

 "Desperately Seeking Heidi" author: Sheridan

 Down with Kimpire author: htxfroggy

 D.U.C.K.S. Dedicated to undermining the con-artists at Kimkins author: Mayberryfan

 ducky don't like moles author: Ducky

 Found One Russian Bride And Proud Of It! author: jenna…

 IF THE RED DRESS DOESN'T FIT THEY CAN'T ACQUIT!!! author: boogie

 Kimmer's overdrawn at the Bank of Karma!!! author: GinaC

 InDUCKtion is workin' for me author: Locarb4me

 Join the fight to stop the fraud! Kimkins Lawsuit author: jeanessa

 Just call me Sheriff McDuck!! author: conbofan9

 Just say NO to stretch pants!!! author: Jazlyn

 LC Friends don't let friends do Kimkins! author: Mayberryfan

 LIAR LIAR STRETCH PANTS ON FIRE!!! author: robsrib

 Once you go quack, you never go back! author: Dottie

 Please note, although Kimmer has fled the board and sent her stoolies to take the fall, she is still liable. author: Trisha29040

 Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable author: golite

 Searching for a new low carb plan, after being deceived by Kimkins. author: Mrs. Steve

 Tippy done flippy:::Kimmer Always Fibbing:::Osuz Still Flopping:: author: HoneyBee2

 Welcome to Banned Camp!!! author: Anonymous

 you cain't teacha Pig to Quack author: dlslds

Hope all of my attributions are right ... pls correct if I missed someone.

cheers,
Wendy

[Maid of Erin]

Originally Posted by Dottie

Darn I should have submitted my Kimkins Protein Shake recipe!
1 diet coke
1 pasturized egg white
ice
Blend and enjoy!

I wanted to submit mine, too bad I'm banned. Mine is egg whites poached in crystal lite! LOL.

Please join me in welcoming Lisa as the Kimkins Team as Event & Meeting Director! A successful realtor and loan advisor, Lisa lost 75 pounds 6 years ago and struggled to keep them off. After much research she came to Kimkins and is now in Onederland!

Ummm, okay. Exactly what did she research and then decide it was a good idea?

[Diana]

Originally Posted by Tanner

Gee I don't remember the last time I discussed how much I make or put away with anyone but my wife.. not even my peers at work -- who are on the same wage scale I am on..

Well I'm an kinda private when it comes to how much I make or spend or how much I store away for a rainy day.
I'm sure you and many others are not an " open book " in regard to your wages, spending, saving, stocks, bonds, et al -- etc $$$.. ( gasp ) At least I hope not????

Are you willing to open up your books to whoever asks?
Maybe I am misunderstanding what is burning you up?
My personal feelings on this is : Noneya.
Unless you feel that you have been cheated by him in some way?
Then I say go for it.. After all - the Lady in the Red has been found!

Yes of course they both made money..
He admitted he was wrong but why throw him under the bus still?
Sound like a Kimmer thing to do if you ask me...

Don't get me wrong - I never agreed with the Jimmy going in with the Kim.
Lord knows - Who would want to get by with a menu like that?

IMO - he went in to this like MANY here on this thread did -- he may have had extra motive - yes - that is part of life. He would be a fool not to use his available resources

But I think w/l was his ultimate goal and getting past the plateau he seemed to be on.

At least that is how I read the whole saga..

Well -- I have no ties to Jimmy

I thought this thread was about the KIMMERS?

Maybe the quietness is getting to us ! LOL

I digress.

It's Monday!

I agree 110% he fell into the Kimmer cult like a lot of people. He is human.... Do we throw other people who fell into the kimmer way under the bus too? No...

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by wantingtoloose

You know this weird concoction actually does exist. My husband told me that his grandmothers use to give this to him some mornings as a breakfast substitute when he was a little boy.

Darn! I could have won then lol

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Diana

I agree 110% he fell into the Kimmer cult like a lot of people. He is human.... Do we throw other people who fell into the kimmer way under the bus too? No...

Hi Diana- On this issue I guess I am odd wo(man) out when it comes to seeing a difference between Jimmy and anyone else doing the kimkins diet.
If in this context, the phrase Kimmer cult, means those who chose to pay money *TO* Kimmer to do the diet and did so without any compensation, then I do see a distinct difference between those people and Jimmy Moore.
The difference is *not* that his mistake in trusting her was greater than others who trusted her, because we all make mistakes and that is where the "he is human" factor is agreed upon.
BUT the difference is his actions during that time when he was under the Kimmer spell, if you want to call it that, warrants a different level of response in righting that mistake, and at the very least the same level of response.
We ALL make mistakes, therefore I fault NO ONE for that, but it is how we right our mistakes that shows the character of a person. We try to prevent others from making the same mistakes we did by clearly showing our own mistakes and shortcomings *not* by hiding or deleting them.
That is where I see the difference.

It is in how Jimmy handled his mistake compared to how I would have thought, he would have handled them, if he was the person that others have described him as being. I do not know him and can only form an opinion based on what I have read of what is left of his blog during that time, and what has been written there since. But I truly expected a different response than what I have seen, because of the positive comments others has made about him in the past and the way he attempts to present himself in his writings.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Dottie

Darn! I could have won then lol

Its not too late Dottie.......remember, "You can't win if you don't enter"
But don't forget the stiff competition. As you may have seen in the e-book the recipe for cooking an egg.