Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Antigone, I don't really see it as hypocritical. I see it as someone who knows he was wrong and is willing to publicly change his point of view because of it. As obnoxious as he can be, I do admire him for coming clean.

LOL. I see it as him jumping from one bandwagon to the other. Jimmy knows which way the wind blows.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by Antigone

I listened to Jimmy Moore's newest podcast. Just weird that he's, like, gloating and throwing stones at Kimmer for being a scammer when he himself was a blind Kimmer's follower back then. I dunno, it just seems so hypocritical.

Don't flame me guys. Just my two cents.

Seems to me he is as human as anyone else that followed her plan or didn't.

[Antigone]

ok

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by happy cricket

LOL. I see it as him jumping from one bandwagon to the other. Jimmy knows which way the wind blows.

That he does!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Antigone

Yeah that was what I thought so too. But listening to the newest podcast...especially the part where he said "puhleez Heidi"...I dunno. I had this feeling too -which I tried to brush off - when I learned that he called her after the first KTLA feature.
Oh well, don't mind me. I'm just in a weird punk I guess.

No, I don't think you are weird for getting an odd feeling regarding Jimmy's intentions. I imagine this will not be well received by others, but to be honest from the moment I first realized that kimkins was a scam and started reading the various threads and blogs on the subject, Jimmy's role has never set well with me.

I haven't commented on it because my focus has been Kimmer/Kimkins, but I didn't want you to feel you were the only one questioning the reasoning behind many of his blogs.
I didn't know of Jimmy prior to Kimkins, so I am speaking as a person who viewed Jimmy's actions with no preconceived idea of what type of person he was/is. I know others think alot of him, but my gut instinct about him has not been a positive one. It is not only the fact that he made a mistake, because we all do, it was the fact he realizes his mistakes when they are no longer convenient for him or the money starts to dry up.

For instance Jimmy did an interview with Kimmer back in October 2006 that he had on his blog. Again this is NOT the podcast interview, but one 8-9 months before that interview, where he says to kimmer, “you look great today”, which to many implied that the interview was done face to face and they actually thought Jimmy had seen Kimmer. Jimmy did not comment on this issue or correct this misconception UNTIL July 2007 when Martin on slamboard says-"Questions have been raised about well-known low carb diet blogger Jimmy Moore’s interview of Kimmer — did he interview Kimmer in person? The answer is no. This interview was arranged by Catherine, via email, and conducted between Jimmy and Kimmer also by email. Jimmy sent his questions to Catherine, who forwarded them to Kimmer, and Kimmer then emailed the answers back to Jimmy."

Now, with the proof that Jimmy didn't meet Kimmer, Jimmy does admit that he didn't meet her face to face. But he then doesn't fail to get in that he is doing a phone interview with Kimmer for his podcast in the near future. Promote, Promote, Promote.......
If you go to his blog now, where the Oct 2006 interview WAS posted, it now has this statement:
-"The post that appeared here has been removed for not promoting the low-carb community in the professional manner I have come to expect from myself. THANK YOU!"
This reads like it is due to that he didn't feel it professional to promote the kimkins plan in the low carb community....but then why can one still view the transcript of the podcast or the this whole page discussing Kimkins
Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low-Carbâ„¢ Blog: Who Is Kimmer Behind The Kimkins Diet? still on his blog? I think it is because he was caught in being untruthful and deceptive.

So to recap the chain of events that I noted while reading:
Interview from Oct 10th 2006 is no longer on Jimmy's blog and Jimmy only admits that it is not face to face when Martin calls him out based on Catherine's emails. He then promotes his upcoming podcast with Kimmer in the same breath. Jimmy was an affiliate in Kimkins and he doesn't leave Kimkins as an affiliate until the backlash from the low-carb community contacting his other affiliations. He then apologizes...if you want to call it that, but doesn't take a stand against Kimmer truly or seem to be calling her out until there was more of an outcry from kimkins members and then he made a statement announcing his NEW BB forum for the Kimkin refugees.

Maybe I missed it where he took any responsibility for linking many people, who trusted him and looked to him as a source of Lowcarb information, to kimkins and I also have not seen where he has spoken out about Kimkins to balance the promoting of kimkins that he did for months. That to me would have shown his remorse in the part he has played during this event. Not the recent activity that has been done after a much talked about event, such as the news report, because that appears as more of a way to strike when the iron is hot than anything.
Maybe my opinion of him will change but that is how I view things at this point and time.

[lala]

Originally Posted by Antigone

Yeah that was what I thought so too. But listening to the newest podcast...especially the part where he said "puhleez Heidi"...I dunno. I had this feeling too -which I tried to brush off - when I learned that he called her after the first KTLA feature.

Oh well, don't mind me. I'm just in a weird punk I guess.

dont trip i felt the same way and still kinda do but whatever at LEAST he stopped promting a plan he never followed. he always said that he didi it HIS way eating all kinds of his franeknfoods that he promotes. but kimmer herself says if aint as follows it aint KIMKINS! so i dont get how they were both pleased to promote eachotehr when it was clearly bout the money. go figure

ETA frakenfoods

[Maid of Erin]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I personally don't care if I see any money out of this. What I want this lawsuit to accomplish is to put Kimkins out of business, and that includes any "new owner" that may be in charge, although I doubt that story completely. And I want all of the assets seized. In other words, I don't want Hidey or anyone else to benefit financially from this venture. It matters not to me if the lawyers get all the money, or if it goes to those who have been physically harmed by Hidey's advice to "cut the calories more". The day I see Kimkins.com out of business is the day I will be satisfied. The Kimpire must fall!

I completely agree! I don't really expect to see my money again, but I would like some justice!

I hope the lawyer does get a huge chunk of Kimmer's money if we win. He deserves every penny, and that is something I would never have thought I'd say about a lawyer! Go get her!!!

p.s. who likes my avi?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by MJR

No, This is her post....

Join me for a mini cycle Kimkins challenge? x Hours, xx Minutes ago Would anyone like to join me for a 3 day mini Kimkins cycle challenge? It will run a week and start tomorrow with 3 days of the shake plan. In 3 days we will switch to another Kimkins plan. I think switching prevents bordom and helps the body NOT adjust so easily. And it makes it fun! I did this last week and lost 4.5 lbs in 6 days.

Who wants to do a mini cycle this week with me?

Admins, please do not move this thread yet. We can move this when we get a group together. TY

4.5 lbs in 6 days?

She keeps starving herself to lose the same 5 lbs over and over and over again. That's maintaining?

[Dax]

Delurking to make a quick statement here - there is ONE major reason I'm sure that there is no legal gag order from Heidi and it is simply this: if she had managed to achieve such a thing, don't you think she'd be crowing about it? Or at the very least making sure those in the Kimpire knew about it? There has been not a peep about it anywhere.... and I just can't imagine she would not want to rub it in if it was true!

Cheers,
Dax

[froleena]

Originally Posted by Maid of Erin

p.s. who likes my avi?

LOVE IT!

[centralpa]

Originally Posted by Antigone

I listened to Jimmy Moore's newest podcast. Just weird that he's, like, gloating and throwing stones at Kimmer for being a scammer when he himself was a blind Kimmer's follower back then. I dunno, it just seems so hypocritical.

Don't flame me guys. Just my two cents.

Antigone: No flames from me, I agree with you. The thing that burns me up is that Jimmy and OTHER AFFILIATES TOO, have never come clean with how much money they made by being associated with Kimmer.

It's one thing for affiliates to come crawling back to the LCF' flock, to apologize, to be self-righteous in their newly-realized indignation about Kimmer ... but to not be upfront about the money they made? Seem hypocritical to me.

Wendy

[Diana]

Originally Posted by centralpa

Antigone: No flames from me, I agree with you. The thing that burns me up is that Jimmy and OTHER AFFILIATES TOO, have never come clean with how much money they made by being associated with Kimmer.

It's one thing for affiliates to come crawling back to the LCF' flock, to apologize, to be self-righteous in their newly-realized indignation about Kimmer ... but to not be upfront about the money they made? Seem hypocritical to me.

Wendy

Originally Posted by Antigone

I listened to Jimmy Moore's newest podcast. Just weird that he's, like, gloating and throwing stones at Kimmer for being a scammer when he himself was a blind Kimmer's follower back then. I dunno, it just seems so hypocritical.

Don't flame me guys. Just my two cents.

A lot of people were a part of the Kimmer cult, do we throw stones at them? Are we calling them Hypocrits? My answer NO....

Honestly I don't think it's anyones business how much they made. Why would it matter? They were an affiliate, business to business... My company doesn't disclose info like that to anyone but us employees.
Jimmy did right by pulling the affiliate from Kimmer, and others if there were others. We don't need to know what they made it's not what is important.

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

Also, if it gets accepted as a class action, I don't think they'll list ALL the names. I think it's usually the name(s) of the person(s) actually bringing suit that's a class action, so "on behalf of" the rest of the class.

I once got awarded $0.23 in a class action against AT&T. Didn't even know I was involved in a law suit LOL

Yeah... I was thinking "why didn't they just credit my bill??".

[Jake]

Hmm... I keep trying to watch the news special on Kimmer, but all I get is Peter's production of the King and I from Family guy. I've been to slamboard and several anti-kimkins blogs, but they all seem to have copied each other's links to the video.

Does anyone have a link to the tv special?

[MissMerize]

Good Morning Girls (and Gents)!

I just want to add on the affiliate note -

There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE that the affiliates too were scammed. They have no way of seeing how many sign ups they were credited for.

They never met Kimmer or the accountants or who ever does the payroll. For all they know they could have been paid for one out of every four sales that they brought to the site.

Any one who sold prior to this whole mess was not aware that the owner was a con, and they were just trying to promote a product they thought was good (at the time.)

Now, for any one promoting the product at this time, I have no mercy. They do not know who the current owner is, nor do they know if the current version (cycling and such) of this diet will really work. There is too much mess to be cleaned up.

I know that I personally could not promote a product if I had not tested it myself, and had any reason to believe that the owner had not tested it or believed in using it.

Everyone was able to learn a lesson here, most of all the affiliates.

Anyone trying to sell something has to know the product.

And I'll add: my friends second cousins uncles girlfriends grandfathers mistress twice removed who was an affiliate told me they just finally got rid of the phony picture banners as an option to sell with (took them long enough, and maybe the complaint we filed last week did the trick!!!). All that is left are the types of text ads that say Hottest Celebrity Diet. I want to know which celebrities are still doing this diet (or EVER did this diet).

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Good Morning Girls (and Gents)!

And I'll add: my friends second cousins uncles girlfriends grandfathers mistress twice removed who was an affiliate told me they just finally got rid of the phony picture banners as an option to sell with (took them long enough, and maybe the complaint we filed last week did the trick!!!). All that is left are the types of text ads that say Hottest Celebrity Diet. I want to know which celebrities are still doing this diet (or EVER did this diet).

lol
I do remember reading on one of the Jessica Abla fan sites where she responded about her "diet" to lose/shape for movies and her comment was something like "I eat chicken breasts and salads to lose for movies. I don't know what "diet" that may be, but I've been doing it since I was 16" - so obviously if that WAS her comment it can not be "kimkins".

[amadeus4313]

Originally Posted by Antigone

ok

I've kind of had that same feeling. Jimmy professes strong Christianity, but ignores Paul's admonition from Corinthians - Love does not rejoice in what is wrong but rejoices in the truth. I really do understand the feelings of the people who have been hurt and scammed and I don't judge them or begrudge them their feelings. It just makes me a little uncomfortable sometimes when I find myself enjoying Heidi's downfall - and believe me, I have enjoyed it.

[centralpa]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I just want to add on the affiliate note -

There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE that the affiliates too were scammed. They have no way of seeing how many sign ups they were credited for ...etc ...

You bring up many good points MissMerize ...

But one of the recommended strategies for "coming clean" after a business scandal is to take responsibility for one's own actions in the affair. I teach Business Ethics. If you look at business exemplars and benchmark case studies, (such as the Tylenol case contrasted with Enron), the way the company handles its own business in light of the public scrutiny in the aftermath of the scandal, impacts the business for a long time, after the scandal itself.

Hard to win your reputation back; open, honest communication to customers is key!

cheers,
Wendy

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by centralpa

You bring up many good points MissMerize ...

But one of the recommended strategies for "coming clean" after a business scandal is to take responsibility for one's own actions in the affair.

May I pick your brain? How would you recommend one come clean in this type of situation? You're talking about affiliate marketing. It's anonymous and random. It's not like the mistress twice removed was selling faulty vacuum cleaners at a store, and someone can return it and she can apologize to them personally and redeem herself.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

No, I don't think you are weird for getting an odd feeling regarding Jimmy's intentions. I imagine this will not be well received by others, but to be honest from the moment I first realized that kimkins was a scam and started reading the various threads and blogs on the subject, Jimmy's role has never set well with me.

I haven't commented on it because my focus has been Kimmer/Kimkins, but I didn't want you to feel you were the only one questioning the reasoning behind many of his blogs.
I didn't know of Jimmy prior to Kimkins, so I am speaking as a person who viewed Jimmy's actions with no preconceived idea of what type of person he was/is. I know others think alot of him, but my gut instinct about him has not been a positive one. It is not only the fact that he made a mistake, because we all do, it was the fact he realizes his mistakes when they are no longer convenient for him or the money starts to dry up.

For instance Jimmy did an interview with Kimmer back in October 2006 that he had on his blog. Again this is NOT the podcast interview, but one 8-9 months before that interview, where he says to kimmer, “you look great today”, which to many implied that the interview was done face to face and they actually thought Jimmy had seen Kimmer. Jimmy did not comment on this issue or correct this misconception UNTIL July 2007 when Martin on slamboard says-"Questions have been raised about well-known low carb diet blogger Jimmy Moore’s interview of Kimmer — did he interview Kimmer in person? The answer is no. This interview was arranged by Catherine, via email, and conducted between Jimmy and Kimmer also by email. Jimmy sent his questions to Catherine, who forwarded them to Kimmer, and Kimmer then emailed the answers back to Jimmy."

Now, with the proof that Jimmy didn't meet Kimmer, Jimmy does admit that he didn't meet her face to face. But he then doesn't fail to get in that he is doing a phone interview with Kimmer for his podcast in the near future. Promote, Promote, Promote.......
If you go to his blog now, where the Oct 2006 interview WAS posted, it now has this statement:
-"The post that appeared here has been removed for not promoting the low-carb community in the professional manner I have come to expect from myself. THANK YOU!"
This reads like it is due to that he didn't feel it professional to promote the kimkins plan in the low carb community....but then why can one still view the transcript of the podcast or the this whole page discussing Kimkins
Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low-Carbâ„¢ Blog: Who Is Kimmer Behind The Kimkins Diet? still on his blog? I think it is because he was caught in being untruthful and deceptive.

So to recap the chain of events that I noted while reading:
Interview from Oct 10th 2006 is no longer on Jimmy's blog and Jimmy only admits that it is not face to face when Martin calls him out based on Catherine's emails. He then promotes his upcoming podcast with Kimmer in the same breath. Jimmy was an affiliate in Kimkins and he doesn't leave Kimkins as an affiliate until the backlash from the low-carb community contacting his other affiliations. He then apologizes...if you want to call it that, but doesn't take a stand against Kimmer truly or seem to be calling her out until there was more of an outcry from kimkins members and then he made a statement announcing his NEW BB forum for the Kimkin refugees.

Maybe I missed it where he took any responsibility for linking many people, who trusted him and looked to him as a source of Lowcarb information, to kimkins and I also have not seen where he has spoken out about Kimkins to balance the promoting of kimkins that he did for months. That to me would have shown his remorse in the part he has played during this event. Not the recent activity that has been done after a much talked about event, such as the news report, because that appears as more of a way to strike when the iron is hot than anything.
Maybe my opinion of him will change but that is how I view things at this point and time.

Great post Honey Bee. I have to admit I feel pretty much the same way. I listened to his interview with Kimmer and found myself asking why he was bantering back and forth with her. I believe the original intent of the interview was to provide her with a platform to refute what other lowcarbers were saying. It grated on me that he was laughing and so damn agreeable with her.

I also feel his last phone call to her was kind of childish. It's as if after the history of his affiliation with her, then his defense of her, followed by his apology when all the fraud started to be uncovered, he was now grandstanding with that phone call. It wasn't thought out, it accomplished very little IMO. The detective had already established where she lived and that kimmer and Heidi were one and the same.

He may feel wronged by her, but he is coming across as if his main interest is restoring others perception of him as a good guy.

[Jazlyn]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

Hi All,
Coming out of lurkdom, I've only been following this since about thread no. 6, so if this has already been addressed please forgive me. The following is copied from one of the newsletters regarding A fund raiser for KK's foster kids for Christmas. Did anything come of this?

"Christmas Jewelry Sale!

A Kimkins member is having a fundraiser to sponsor Christmas for my foster kids. Please click this link to see how you can buy a gift for yourself or for a loved one and have a portion of your purchase contributed to the fundraiser:

[xxx]Welcome to Jody's Website![xxx]
Email orders to xxxxx with Kimkins Fundraiser in the subject line. Thank you!"

Is this new or from last year? I can't believe kimmer made all of that money and still had to pull crap like this.

[MissMerize]

Christmas Jewelry Sale!


That's a good one. Is the site to sell jewelry still up?