Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by dws1119

While I share your sentiment surrounding Kimmer, I just need to point out ---deserving people on disability are NOT "mooching" off the gov't

not trying to cause any controversy--but having a disability is difficult enough without someone making you feel guilty for not working and drawing disability payments---which most have paid into in the first place

yes there are people who scam the system---like Kimmer---and having the business in Brandon's name so it does not count as income for her so she does not lose her disability payments---but not everyone is like her---she is a unfeeling con artist--plain and simple

as you can see most things surrounding mental illness are touchy subjects with me---I can't sit back and allow broad prejudicial statements to be made--the stigma against mental illness is great enough---I'm a STRONG advocate against ANY type of prejudice--racial, religious, body size, gender, sexual orientation, etc

I'll come down off my soap box---hope there are no hard feelings from anyone---

People who fake are moochers. People with real disabilities that disallow working--physical or mental-- deserve their benefits. So, it's quite all right you got on that soapbox. It's necessary, sometimes.

I had to quit my job when I had an immune system breakdown. Because my husband made enough to handle our bills (32K back then in 1991), I never went for disability. But had I needed it to survive, you betcha I would have.

My comment was Kimmer-directed, and not a broad label. So, yes, shake hands.

[2big4mysize]

didn't see anybody anwer the question 4 pages back about the other set of pics but the lady in the after pic was discussed serveral topics back as wearing a loop around her neck from a concert dated yrs before the person was alledged to have started kimkins.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

No one is begrudging mentally ill people from getting disability here. But, the real question is if Heidi is REALLY mentally ill and eligible for disability or just a scam artist or is she "both"?

There are many scam artists who are NOT mentally ill..just evil, conniving people. And, there are many evil people who hold down real jobs, too. I think mental illness is a broad term. Can sociopaths get disability because they are sociopaths? Are we talking about
2 different things?

What Heidi proved is that she can run an online site, take on a persona to deal with customers, etc. That tells me she is stable enough to keep up a charade for a year plus. That makes me wonder just how disabled she is "mentally," that she can be so elaborate and consistent and do it for a long time. I know when I get a serious depression, I can't function. Period. I couldn't sustain a website like she did, with accepting payments, keeping blog updates ,answering questions, posting fake pics, scouring internet for resources to post, etc.

I simply do not believe anything Kimmer/Heidi says. I think she's got a huge life con going on, and it involves everything and everyone, including the government and disability. Call me really skeptical about her.

[CarolynF]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

What Heidi proved is that she can run an online site, take on a persona to deal with customers, etc. That tells me she is stable enough to keep up a charade for a year plus. That makes me wonder just how disabled she is "mentally," that she can be so elaborate and consistent and do it for a long time. I know when I get a serious depression, I can't function. Period. I couldn't sustain a website like she did, with accepting payments, keeping blog updates ,answering questions, posting fake pics, scouring internet for resources to post, etc.

I simply do not believe anything Kimmer/Heidi says. I think she's got a huge life con going on, and it involves everything and everyone, including the government and disability. Call me really skeptical about her.

ITA..I have several friends who are disability because of a stroke and short term memory loss..There is NO way they could run a website, hire people, write articles, answer questions, etc..etc...

In fact, there might not be many of us here who could do it and we are mentally competent. Methinks Kimmer "messed up" her disability when she
started Kimkins..her bad.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

[...] The reason for the question was the press about excess estrogen contributing to breast, cervical, or ovarian cancer. Her answer was that it is not an increased risk to lose weight. The stored estrogen is not "liberated", as Dr. Mark says. It is burned up with the fat it's stored in and the body does not have it available for use. The burning of the estrogen does create "ashes" (for lack of a better term) and those ashes have to be processed by our kidneys just like any other waste material is. However, losing weight does not create an excess level of estrogen in the system and could not be an explanation for the woman's amenorrhea. A more likely explanation is the lack of a balanced diet, and/or a diet too low in calories.
You can draw your own conclusion, but it sure makes me go hmmmmm that his answer was so different from that of the REAL doctor I interviewed on the radio.

You know I got on the mode of ignoring Dr. Mark's advice because I feel it is not accurate, so I didn't even read and digest his advice. But I am finding Dr. Mark's lack of information very frustrating because he could be providing scientific articles or "articals" for these members to educate themselves on what is happening with their bodies. His soapbox has been he is there to help people. Well, then Dr. Mark then truly HELP those members instead of brushing things under the rug. You are not fooling anyone by staying there and continuing to not give valid advice. You are there for a paycheck and nothing more! IMHO

Originally Posted by MidwestMommy

Just catching up agian, and I recall that I read on one of these threads that kimmer wasn't taking new memberships by mail anymore. I could swear that I saw that in one of the threads, but when I checked her site, you can still sign up and mail your payment in. If she sold to new owners, why would payments be still going to the old address? The new owners would have to open up a mail drop box in their name right?.

Very good point! IF Kimmer states she turned over that postal annex box to the new owner there would have to be paperwork on file for the "new owners" that could be easily requested if she attempts to claim this actually occurred when she gives her deposition.

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Re: the Glasbergen cartoon
Kimkins Weight Loss: Kimkins Cartoon
I did let Randy know that as of yesterday the cartoon is still on the Kimkins site. (Does someone want to collect a screenshot of this?)
His response was:
"Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Apparently their apology was meaningless and they have broken their promise to remove my cartoons from their site."

It is also here on this blog where someone named "fatbusters" posts. Post the public contact information of the artist and I will email him as well.

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I was out shopping. I needed a whole new wardrobe because everything I had from last year for fall and winter was way too big. I lost 57 lbs since last autumn. Safely and slowly. No laxatives, either.

True Health and Success is the best revenge on Kimmer!!!

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

I still crack up when I see that Jaclyn Smith pic for Kimmer2. What chutzpah.

Do you know what dating site she used that on? I know on plentyoffish she used the blue shirt pic, but what dating site did stumble upon pick up that profile?

Originally Posted by MyCannelloni

Hi, everyone. My addiction to Fascination tapered off - thank goodness! Just wanted to pop in and wave .

Hi MC I hope things are going well for you!

[susique333]

BlogExplosion - Viewing Blog : Kimkins Diet

didnt know if this was posted yet. Latest page on this blog was made today.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Do you know what dating site she used that on? I know on plentyoffish she used the blue shirt pic, but what dating site did stumble upon pick up that profile?
:

I clicked on Kimmer2 on UrsusJaen's profile and it took me to Kimmer2 in Corona, CA...here:


StumbleUpon » Kimmer2

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

[....]
I simply do not believe anything Kimmer/Heidi says. I think she's got a huge life con going on, and it involves everything and everyone, including the government and disability. Call me really skeptical about her.

Yep and Princess I am not trying to speak for you, because you do a great job at speaking for yourself. However, I get the impression that when you post about Heidi's mental state or her disability you are looking at it the same way that I am....with doubt!
I look at it this way........Kimmer/Heidi has lied in too many incidences about herself, her personal life, her business EVERYTHING!
Her mental illness, collecting disability is lumped into the same category of lies, so commenting on her and how she is collecting SSD or has a mental illness is done to show that it is part of her LIES! Not a lie that she is excepting or receiving SSD for some reason but a LIE as in it is another way she LIED to get what she wanted. That means that others who do receive SSD who didn't lie to get it then the comments do not apply. The same goes with the mental illness comments. If Heidi does have a mental illness then she is evil as well and those with mental illness do not fall into the same category when I comment or speak about her mental status I am referring to evil, cruel, and deceptive qualities that apparently are linked to her mental status.
Is getting SSD easy....NO
Do most people on SSD deserve it? ........I would say yes.
Is Heidi smart enough to defraud the goverment........YES!
Can you have a mental illness and be intelligent.........YES!
But are most people with a mental illness evil?..........NO!
I understand those who have experienced the stigma attached with a mental illness or even with collecting SSD may read comments in a different way then the writer intended, so it is right to ask the writer how the comment was intended. But I don't think when most posts here are meant as a blanket statement as it pertains to those with a mental illness or collecting SSD.
But as a statement in HEIDI DIAZ who as we all know is not the norm.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

I clicked on Kimmer2 on UrsusJaen's profile and it took me to Kimmer2 in Corona, CA...here:


StumbleUpon » Kimmer2

Thank you, I got that, but I thought stumble upon was a search engine of sorts that pulls up information and I was not sure where that was pulled from.
The reason I am asking is because if used on a dating site, to me that would indicate that she was trying to pass that off as her, where on say a yahoo answers site it could have just been the avatar used much like someone could use an celebs pic. So I wanted to know the dating site to do a waybackmachine search and read if her information was saying she could be the female in the pic to indicate another incidence of fraud.
Does that make sense?....I wanted to explain so it didn't appear like I was just being nit-picky over things.

[Arbah]

OK, I need to be told I'm wrong.

Since being banned from KK 2 weeks ago for "TOS Violation" (It was those darn Russian Brides that did me in) and refused a refund, I made it a point to voice my displeasure at nearly every link made available to me. (I did not join the "potential lawsuit" because "class actions" only pay the lawyers, the plaintiffs do not usually recoup their losses, and I am not ready to give up on my full refund.) Even with the tv exposee, only 11 members out of 40,000 signed up.

It looks to me right now that Kimmer is fighting back.

The main blogs are no longer posting: ie Slamboard, Kimkins Exposed, the Truth. The only reason I can see for this is they have been legally shut down. They have been so vocal, never missing a trick, and now nothing for over 2 weeks. Has to be a legal situation, doesn't it?

The most persistant posters from several LC boards have not been heard from for around the same amount of time. Why go from many posts daily to none or the odd hello comment, if not a gag order or something similar.

Any replies received from government venues have basically said they'll keep the info on file, but nothing will be done right now.

Please tell me I'm reading this wrong, that I'm missing something. Here I sit, wearing my cheerleading outfit, pompoms in hand waiting for my cue to celebrate. Anybody???

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by SMP

In fact, that's the ONLY kind of answer he could give, or else the medical board would come calling. He was quite right - this is something she should discuss with her primary care physician, not an unknown Internet entity. Diet advice is scads different from medical advice.

I disagree that an unhelpful answer is the *ONLY* kind of answer Dr. Mark could provide.
He could have given a general statement of various reasons that one could have changes in one's menstrual cycle while on a vLCD. He could have said that changes in menses can be due to the hormonal changes that take place during vLCD, and that the patient should discuss with her "real PCP" if having thyroid levels along with FSH, estradiol and testosterone levels evaluated would be a wise idea. He could have then provided links to general studies or information regarding how a vLCD resulted in a decrease in follicular phase LH concentrations, a decrease in the LH/FSH ratio, and FSH predominance in those studies. He could have given links to thyroid level changes effecting menstrual cycles.
In other words he could have done more to educate the person because we all know that she will not get a true understanding of what is going on with her hormones and her diet in MOST doctor visits. He missed an opportunity to truly help someone who could be causing permanent damage to their thyroid.
Of course the disclaimer of "continue medication as prescribed" was necessary as was the statement "consult with your prescribing physician", but that could have been said along with helpful information as a general statement as well.

[ixtapacheryl]

"Originally Posted by WildAngel6 View Post
Re: the Glasbergen cartoon
Kimkins Weight Loss: Kimkins Cartoon
I did let Randy know that as of yesterday the cartoon is still on the Kimkins site. (Does someone want to collect a screenshot of this?)
His response was:
"Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Apparently their apology was meaningless and they have broken their promise to remove my cartoons from their site."

It just dawned on me ..... if there were NEW owners - wouldn't they have immediately removed Glasbergen's cartoon? The new owners have no reason to invent success stories/pics/posts much less hijack his cartoons. Why would they want to open themselves up for a lawsuit? I firmly believe there are NO NEW OWNERS....

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by Arbah

OK, I need to be told I'm wrong.

Since being banned from KK 2 weeks ago for "TOS Violation" (It was those darn Russian Brides that did me in) and refused a refund, I made it a point to voice my displeasure at nearly every link made available to me. (I did not join the "potential lawsuit" because "class actions" only pay the lawyers, the plaintiffs do not usually recoup their losses, and I am not ready to give up on my full refund.) Even with the tv exposee, only 11 members out of 40,000 signed up.

It looks to me right now that Kimmer is fighting back.

The main blogs are no longer posting: ie Slamboard, Kimkins Exposed, the Truth. The only reason I can see for this is they have been legally shut down. They have been so vocal, never missing a trick, and now nothing for over 2 weeks. Has to be a legal situation, doesn't it?

The most persistant posters from several LC boards have not been heard from for around the same amount of time. Why go from many posts daily to none or the odd hello comment, if not a gag order or something similar.

Any replies received from government venues have basically said they'll keep the info on file, but nothing will be done right now.

Please tell me I'm reading this wrong, that I'm missing something. Here I sit, wearing my cheerleading outfit, pompoms in hand waiting for my cue to celebrate. Anybody???

Sounds like she has a order out on our FAVORITE BLOG SITES.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by Arbah

It looks to me right now that Kimmer is fighting back.

The main blogs are no longer posting: ie Slamboard, Kimkins Exposed, the Truth. The only reason I can see for this is they have been legally shut down. They have been so vocal, never missing a trick, and now nothing for over 2 weeks. Has to be a legal situation, doesn't it?

The most persistant posters from several LC boards have not been heard from for around the same amount of time. Why go from many posts daily to none or the odd hello comment, if not a gag order or something similar.

I think you're right. The third installment of the Kimmer expose was huge. Yet not a word was mentioned in a lot of places. Then the announcement of the lawsuit. Again. Silence. I think something's been done legally too. I don't know what it could be - a cross complaint maybe? But what about this forum? I would think this would be one of the first places Kimmer would want to see silenced.

Lou

[BamaGal]

here is something I can't quite fathom. Y'all know how much time you have spent on here reading just this thread rigt---many of you talk about how your families ave fel nglected and not getting to the dishes and stuff

Soooooo.....where in the sam hill did she find the time to do all that research and place all those phony links and blogs and other fake profile pages like the craigs list things and myspace---can you image what her house must look like---what about sleeping---shoot what about even bathing ---no wonder Brandon has his friends meet him down the street

also--someone earlier posted that they think she is on here---I'm sure she reads this--her ego demands it---but if there is anyway possible--I'd bet you dollars to donuts---low carb of course--that she has a profile here somewhere---this place(LCF) has become a thorn in her side and it would be just like her to want to be able to post somehow

[Arbah]

Originally Posted by LINC

I think you're right. The third installment of the Kimmer expose was huge. Yet not a word was mentioned in a lot of places. Then the announcement of the lawsuit. Again. Silence. I think something's been done legally too. I don't know what it could be - a cross complaint maybe? But what about this forum? I would think this would be one of the first places Kimmer would want to see silenced.

Lou

Maybe she has done something, its awful quiet around here lately. I'm not sure there is much she could do to a public forum except go after individual posters?? I thought it was all over but the cheering, then this deafening silence from everwhere. (By the way, the lawsuit has not been approved yet, Kimmer still gets to (TRY) and refute the evidence.)

[McLurkypants]

Originally Posted by LINC

I think you're right. The third installment of the Kimmer expose was huge. Yet not a word was mentioned in a lot of places. Then the announcement of the lawsuit. Again. Silence. I think something's been done legally too. I don't know what it could be - a cross complaint maybe? But what about this forum? I would think this would be one of the first places Kimmer would want to see silenced.

Lou

Becky intimated in her blog (I think it was Becky, "Winning Weight Loss"?) that KTLA had let the cat out of the bag re: lawsuit. It's not at all surprising to me that key players have been silent during this time. The element of surprise can be very effective in litigation - especially if the person you're suing is a slippery character. Service alone can be a challenge - thus the hush-hush re: litigation and everything else. Smart move IMHO. The silence doesn't concern me a bit.

[Mariasol]

Originally Posted by susique333

BlogExplosion - Viewing Blog : Kimkins Diet

didnt know if this was posted yet. Latest page on this blog was made today.

You can also access the blog from kimkins website and the strange thing is that the names of who submitted the articles are different. In the link you posted, the latest entries are by FatBuster and Kimmer. From the website it's admin and Noelle88. Wonder if Kimmer has a problem keeping her aliases apart.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by LINC

I think you're right. The third installment of the Kimmer expose was huge. Yet not a word was mentioned in a lot of places. Then the announcement of the lawsuit. Again. Silence. I think something's been done legally too. I don't know what it could be - a cross complaint maybe? But what about this forum? I would think this would be one of the first places Kimmer would want to see silenced.

Lou

Or the persons running the main boards are part of the legal response and they were advised to keep mum and stop giving away stuff that might help Heidi and result in more scrubbing of the Evil Empire...?

I dunno.

But I trust that things may be moving behind the scenes, and time will tell. I'm not a plaintiff, but I know legal stuff takes time. It's not as speedy as one might desire when one is sitting and watching it unfold.

If the boards being silent gives Heidi less of a heads-up, then I'm all for it. She's been tipped off so much it has allowed her to do stuff to look squeakier and cleaner. I think the element of surprise serves a purpose at times.

If there's some kind of gag order (and I do believe Missi said there was not, but I may be remembering wonkily), then maybe they can't even mention it here.

I trust that Jeanessa et al are doing plenty behind the scenes. I'm willing to wait patiently. Last time the boards were silent, it ended up with the first KTLA report. So, maybe there's a darn good reason for this, too, eh?

As far as "patiently, hah, I keep this board open in a reduced window, check whenever I'm online shopping, blogging, or reading articles. Just in case. But having this board and the blogs slow down has been, quite honestly, a blessing. The feverish pace of previous days kind of interfered with activities of daily living.

I do recall a few postponed showers. Ahem.

[Just4Me]

Serving Heidi with the papers for the lawsuit would have let the cat out of the bag, though. I don't know how it is in California, but in Minnesota before the suit can be filed you have to include an affidavit that the defendant was properly served, means of service, when, etc. Regardless of how it is ino CA, I don't think you'd just be able to file suit without the defendant ( Heidi) knowing about it. It's a Due Process (5th/14th amendment to US constitution) right.

Constitutional rights play in with the blogs too---1st amendment (free speech/press). Heidi/KK would have had to go to court to prove defamation. That takes time (and proof! and refutation that the info published was known to be false ). I think the blogs' silence is self-imposed.