Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8 - Page 49

susique333 · 10-21-2007, 09:47 AM

Quote Nov. 12-06 Kimmer2 on Active Low carber forum:
I've gotten so many "reports" about this thread I finally had to come over. I thought I was done with this stuff when I left LCF? Sigh.

Crass? Hmmm. Are you aware that Jean Neidich was a Queens, NY housewife who started by holding paid meetings in her apartment? She has no nutritional background. She also sold the Weight Watchers name to Nestle a few years ago for $600,000,000. Crass or smart business move?

Jenny Craig has been interviewed several times that she started her plan with no nutritional background. She learned as she went along. Was it crass for her to charge members? I wonder what the Jenny Craig empire is worth?

Both Dr. Atkins and Agatson are cardiologists. Certainly they didn't "need" the money they made from Atkins and South Beach. They both took an oath to help people. Couldn't they have sold their books for $5 instead of $25? Dr. A donated $100,000,000 of his own money to the Atkins Center for research. When you're making that kind of money off of the Atkins Diet, couldn't you offer the books for free? I wonder how much Dr. Agatson got for his deal to market South Beach meals and snacks? Is that crass, too?

For $39.95 Kimkins members receive an excellent value, and at less than the registration fee alone to join Weight Watchers. Judging from the PMs and emails I receive daily what people seem to appreciate most is direct access to me. Hmmm, I wonder how much the Atkins & South Beach books would cost if the authors included direct access to the doctors?

I'm puzzled as to why you ladies would even spend time wondering about the legalities of the Kimkins site, but if it keeps you from grabbing carbs it's OK with me.

I am doing nothing illegal. Kimkins was a name given by a member of LCF as a combination of Kimmer & Atkins. It reminded me of the book Rumplestiltskin that I used to read to my sons when they were small and that's a pleasant memory for me.

FYI - I can discuss Atkins, Stillmans, South Beach and Weight Watchers until the cows come home. I can criticize the parts of their plans that contradict my own plan. I can borrow excerpts and quotes. Drag out your law school books and look up fair usage.

Keep in mind that Dr. Atkins didn't invent low carb. Keep in mind that Dr. Stillman published several years before he did. My grandmother was born in 1892 and used my version of low carb all of her life. Probably why she was a size 2. There's nothing "new" about low carb.

You can't copyright an idea, only the expression of an idea. Look it up.

The reason I left LCF is because some people didn't like "Ask Kimmer" on the front page. I asked Tom for my own forum. For those of who think it's crass for me to charge for my time but OK to donate 6 hours a day, it would have remained free advice. Tom said "no" and I started my own site.

mgw, you're a Kimkins member as are a few other people on this site. If you had questions, why not send me a PM or an email? I don't understand why you would ask other people what I mean. Ask me directly.
Continue on ladies. Maybe you'd like to dredge up a discussion on Starvation Mode, while you're at it? end quote.

This chick is a sick, pompus snot!

gettinserious · 10-21-2007, 09:49 AM

well, you said cancelled check. lol.. Those usually don't get printed. Processed checks do. Guess I misunderstood.

Besides, if her prints were criminal at this point, the bank wouldn't cash the check, so its really a moot point I think. Now if it turns out she doesn't show up or still claims that someone else is the site owner, the police more than likely will be investigating that stuff throughly.

lala · 10-21-2007, 09:57 AM

With a license that covers essentially everything except prescription drugs and surgery, Dr. Brinson
combines modalities from massage, bodywork, physical therapy, chiropractic, chinese medicine and
osteopathic medicine to give you exactly what your condition requires. Most conditions can be
detected by hand but rarely further testing may be ordered. No two session are alike. Each person
is treated as an individual with the goal of getting better as soon as possible

Licensed as an Acupuncture Physician by the Florida Department of Health.
Dr. Brinson is considered as a Primary Care Physcian. His license covers a broad range of
therapies and testing. Included are all Manual Medicine and Physical Medicine modalities from
Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Physical Therapy, and Massage therapy. Additionally, all testing and
imaging (xray, mri, ct scan, bloodwork etc), injections, nutrition and addiction counseling as well as
the recomendation of over the counter medications is included.

so how can you be a PCP but you can prescribe meds? do they even go before Medical review boards, if they are NOT Medical Doctors?so i guess thats why he's involved with Kimkins cant lose a license you dont have

SMP · 10-21-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MidwestMommy

Just catching up agian, and I recall that I read on one of these threads that kimmer wasn't taking new memberships by mail anymore. I could swear that I saw that in one of the threads, but when I checked her site, you can still sign up and mail your payment in. If she sold to new owners, why would payments be still going to the old address? The new owners would have to open up a mail drop box in their name right?.

Not necessarily. Frequently companies receive a postal address along with a business in the interests of continuity and customer service. It's a lot cheaper than running an advertising campaign to alert consumers to a change in ownership. All the "new owners" had to do was have Heidi sign a release to rights to the company name and mailbox. Think she did that?

Elloise · 10-21-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by susique333

This chick is a sick, pompus snot!

No kidding. I had forgotten about that post.

Barbara B · 10-21-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Elloise

No kidding. I had forgotten about that post.

Elloise - CONGRATULATIONS!

JustKim · 10-21-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lala

With a license that covers essentially everything except prescription drugs and surgery, Dr. Brinson
combines modalities from massage, bodywork, physical therapy, chiropractic, chinese medicine and
osteopathic medicine to give you exactly what your condition requires. Most conditions can be
detected by hand but rarely further testing may be ordered. No two session are alike. Each person
is treated as an individual with the goal of getting better as soon as possible

Licensed as an Acupuncture Physician by the Florida Department of Health.
Dr. Brinson is considered as a Primary Care Physcian. His license covers a broad range of
therapies and testing. Included are all Manual Medicine and Physical Medicine modalities from
Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Physical Therapy, and Massage therapy. Additionally, all testing and
imaging (xray, mri, ct scan, bloodwork etc), injections, nutrition and addiction counseling as well as
the recomendation of over the counter medications is included.

so how can you be a PCP but you can prescribe meds? do they even go before Medical review boards, if they are NOT Medical Doctors?so i guess thats why he's involved with Kimkins cant lose a license you dont have

According to the Florida department of Health, he CANNOT call himself a primary care PHYSICIAN. All of the details are posted over at the Kimkins Dangers blog

lala · 10-21-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JustKim

According to the Florida department of Health, he CANNOT call himself a primary care PHYSICIAN. All of the details are posted over at the Kimkins Dangers blog

see my point? in HIS own website where he states HIS services is where i got the statement Dr. Brinson is considered as a Primary Care Physcian. so i guess even CANNOT doesnt seem to stop some people! from so kinda fishy huh?

susique333 · 10-21-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Elloise

No kidding. I had forgotten about that post.

Elloise, please please please tell me those are No Carb cookies on your photo....and may I please have the recipe? Yummmy looking!

susique333 · 10-21-2007, 10:31 AM

StumbleUpon » Kimmer2's web site reviews and blog

BlogExplosion Member Profile for Kimmer2 - BlogExplosion.com

Cruise Critic Message Boards - View Profile: kimmer2

Found these too. edited to add another url

sissypoo · 10-21-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbara B

I was out shopping. I needed a whole new wardrobe because everything I had from last year for fall and winter was way too big. I lost 57 lbs since last autumn. Safely and slowly. No laxatives, either.

Wow! That's wonderful!!!

susique333 · 10-21-2007, 10:41 AM

StumbleUpon » UrsusJaen's web site reviews and blog

Look who Ursus is a fan of....right hand side of page. Ole Kimmy had a BF...

Princess Dieter · 10-21-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by susique333

StumbleUpon » UrsusJaen's web site reviews and blog

Look who Ursus is a fan of....right hand side of page. Ole Kimmy had a BF...

I still crack up when I see that Jaclyn Smith pic for Kimmer2. What chutzpah.

Magicsmom · 10-21-2007, 10:46 AM

From the Kimpound, just for giggles, look how he spells the word "overdo"

Re: Dr. Mark - About Constipation 2 Days, 4 Hours ago

Yes you can overdue supplements.

Vitamin C is a little different. It is water soluable and any excess is eliminated in urine. If you take too much as one time you will simply get loose stool.

Read the labels and do not add duplicate "multi-use" type products.

Elloise · 10-21-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by susique333

Elloise, please please please tell me those are No Carb cookies on your photo....and may I please have the recipe? Yummmy looking!

Sorry - I'm sure they're 100 carbs per cookie. And I can't take credit for the photo -- it's a Google image.

Sugar cookies were always my downfall, probably just like Kimmer and her cookies with sprinkles. What makes them even better is when you add chocolate chips. That's the big reason I topped out at 247 pounds.

I can't believe I explained how to make sugar cookies better on a low carb board. Slap me.

susique333 · 10-21-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Elloise

Sorry - I'm sure they're 100 carbs per cookie. And I can't take credit for the photo -- it's a Google image.

Sugar cookies were always my downfall, probably just like Kimmer and her cookies with sprinkles. What makes them even better is when you add chocolate chips. That's the big reason I topped out at 247 pounds.

I can't believe I explained how to make sugar cookies better on a low carb board. Slap me.

LOL Youre too funny! I too, love sugar cookies..with a huge mug of coffee. Now that it has turned colder, Im in the baking mood. I did make the LC peanut butter cookies with my 28 yr old daughter the other day, they were delish! Any LC dessert is ok with me as Im cutting the whole family off raw sugar! Thanks for your reply.

BamaGal · 10-21-2007, 01:00 PM

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You know, the detective stated she spent all her time sitting at her computer. If she'd gotten training in, say, website design (which she may have, for all I know) or online customer service or tech support, she could earn a living and she wouldn't need to be mooching disability off the gov't.

Oh, wait. That's how NORMAL people would think, not con artists.

Never mind.

While I share your sentiment surrounding Kimmer, I just need to point out ---deserving people on disability are NOT "mooching" off the gov't

not trying to cause any controversy--but having a disability is difficult enough without someone making you feel guilty for not working and drawing disability payments---which most have paid into in the first place

yes there are people who scam the system---like Kimmer---and having the business in Brandon's name so it does not count as income for her so she does not lose her disability payments---but not everyone is like her---she is a unfeeling con artist--plain and simple

as you can see most things surrounding mental illness are touchy subjects with me---I can't sit back and allow broad prejudicial statements to be made--the stigma against mental illness is great enough---I'm a STRONG advocate against ANY type of prejudice--racial, religious, body size, gender, sexual orientation, etc

I'll come down off my soap box---hope there are no hard feelings from anyone---

Quote:

Originally Posted by susique333

StumbleUpon » UrsusJaen's web site reviews and blog

Look who Ursus is a fan of....right hand side of page. Ole Kimmy had a BF...

and he's from Corona too---wonder if he knows the "real" Kimmer--not JS

GypsyVisions · 10-21-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dws1119

---I can't sit back and allow broad prejudicial statements to be made--the stigma against mental illness is great enough---

A mental illness has touched my life personally. Thank you so much for your post.

CarolynF · 10-21-2007, 01:46 PM

No one is begrudging mentally ill people from getting disability here. But, the real question is if Heidi is REALLY mentally ill and eligible for disability or just a scam artist or is she "both"?

There are many scam artists who are NOT mentally ill..just evil, conniving people. And, there are many evil people who hold down real jobs, too. I think mental illness is a broad term. Can sociopaths get disability because they are sociopaths? Are we talking about
2 different things?

Magicsmom · 10-21-2007, 01:54 PM

Has it actually been proven that Heidi draws disability from the Federal Government, or is it an assumption that has been made? If she is as adept at con games as she seems to be, it's very likely that Kimkins.com is not her first scam. Hopefully, we can make it the last. But my point is, she may have "income" from many sources that we have no knowledge of.

dlslds · 10-21-2007, 01:59 PM

seems like 2 different things to me Carolyn. and I dont know if sociopaths can get dissabilityor not. but the point is sociopathic or not the law is still the law and you can't scam, hurt, murder, cause illness to innocent people w/o being held accountable for it or punished for it (if caught)

jenna... · 10-21-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

No one is begrudging mentally ill people from getting disability here. But, the real question is if Heidi is REALLY mentally ill and eligible for disability or just a scam artist or is she "both"?

There are many scam artists who are NOT mentally ill..just evil, conniving people. And, there are many evil people who hold down real jobs, too. I think mental illness is a broad term. Can sociopaths get disability because they are sociopaths? Are we talking about
2 different things?

Heidi is a big scammer. I've come to believe that not one iota of truth falls out of her mouth or through her Key Board. Why not scam the system? It's unfortunately set up so that the system can get used by the dishonest. When I read that someone can claim "*caffeine disorder" ... com'n

*in the DSM ....

Jazlyn · 10-21-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

No one is begrudging mentally ill people from getting disability here. But, the real question is if Heidi is REALLY mentally ill and eligible for disability or just a scam artist or is she "both"?

There are many scam artists who are NOT mentally ill..just evil, conniving people. And, there are many evil people who hold down real jobs, too. I think mental illness is a broad term. Can sociopaths get disability because they are sociopaths? Are we talking about
2 different things?

I am on disability for mental illness and I feel that if she were too ill to work she couldn't have had the state of mind to do what was needed pull off this huge scheme. I am certainly no expert, I am just going by what I am capable of doing and I could never mentally keep up with what she has done.

As far as using agoraphobia for an excuse for not meeting people, what a crock.

The thing that makes me wonder though is how she was approved if she's not really mentally ill. I had at least 15 years worth of documentation from psychiatrists and therapists before I got bad enough to even apply. Of course she is one heck of a liar.

jenna... · 10-21-2007, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Has it actually been proven that Heidi draws disability from the Federal Government, or is it an assumption that has been made? If she is as adept at con games as she seems to be, it's very likely that Kimkins.com is not her first scam. Hopefully, we can make it the last. But my point is, she may have "income" from many sources that we have no knowledge of.

Shut 'er down!

10-21-2007, 09:47 AM	#1441
susique333 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 50 years old, I live in Omaha Posts: 775 Gallery: susique333 Stats: 230/173/150 WOE: Eat Fat Get Thin Start Date: summer 2007	Quote Nov. 12-06 Kimmer2 on Active Low carber forum: I've gotten so many "reports" about this thread I finally had to come over. I thought I was done with this stuff when I left LCF? Sigh. Crass? Hmmm. Are you aware that Jean Neidich was a Queens, NY housewife who started by holding paid meetings in her apartment? She has no nutritional background. She also sold the Weight Watchers name to Nestle a few years ago for $600,000,000. Crass or smart business move? Jenny Craig has been interviewed several times that she started her plan with no nutritional background. She learned as she went along. Was it crass for her to charge members? I wonder what the Jenny Craig empire is worth? Both Dr. Atkins and Agatson are cardiologists. Certainly they didn't "need" the money they made from Atkins and South Beach. They both took an oath to help people. Couldn't they have sold their books for $5 instead of $25? Dr. A donated $100,000,000 of his own money to the Atkins Center for research. When you're making that kind of money off of the Atkins Diet, couldn't you offer the books for free? I wonder how much Dr. Agatson got for his deal to market South Beach meals and snacks? Is that crass, too? For $39.95 Kimkins members receive an excellent value, and at less than the registration fee alone to join Weight Watchers. Judging from the PMs and emails I receive daily what people seem to appreciate most is direct access to me. Hmmm, I wonder how much the Atkins & South Beach books would cost if the authors included direct access to the doctors? I'm puzzled as to why you ladies would even spend time wondering about the legalities of the Kimkins site, but if it keeps you from grabbing carbs it's OK with me. I am doing nothing illegal. Kimkins was a name given by a member of LCF as a combination of Kimmer & Atkins. It reminded me of the book Rumplestiltskin that I used to read to my sons when they were small and that's a pleasant memory for me. FYI - I can discuss Atkins, Stillmans, South Beach and Weight Watchers until the cows come home. I can criticize the parts of their plans that contradict my own plan. I can borrow excerpts and quotes. Drag out your law school books and look up fair usage. Keep in mind that Dr. Atkins didn't invent low carb. Keep in mind that Dr. Stillman published several years before he did. My grandmother was born in 1892 and used my version of low carb all of her life. Probably why she was a size 2. There's nothing "new" about low carb. You can't copyright an idea, only the expression of an idea. Look it up. The reason I left LCF is because some people didn't like "Ask Kimmer" on the front page. I asked Tom for my own forum. For those of who think it's crass for me to charge for my time but OK to donate 6 hours a day, it would have remained free advice. Tom said "no" and I started my own site. mgw, you're a Kimkins member as are a few other people on this site. If you had questions, why not send me a PM or an email? I don't understand why you would ask other people what I mean. Ask me directly. Continue on ladies. Maybe you'd like to dredge up a discussion on Starvation Mode, while you're at it? end quote. This chick is a sick, pompus snot! __________________ §µ§åñ Discovered Kimkins was based on fraud. Got banned for saying so while chatting on ANOTHER site. Now how silly is that? Thank God that red dress was found! http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...que333/fat.jpg http://smartersusan.blogspot.com/ Last edited by susique333 : 10-21-2007 at 09:48 AM.

10-21-2007, 09:57 AM	#1443
lala MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SALINAS, CALIFAS Posts: 1,030 Gallery: lala	With a license that covers essentially everything except prescription drugs and surgery, Dr. Brinson combines modalities from massage, bodywork, physical therapy, chiropractic, chinese medicine and osteopathic medicine to give you exactly what your condition requires. Most conditions can be detected by hand but rarely further testing may be ordered. No two session are alike. Each person is treated as an individual with the goal of getting better as soon as possible Licensed as an Acupuncture Physician by the Florida Department of Health. Dr. Brinson is considered as a Primary Care Physcian. His license covers a broad range of therapies and testing. Included are all Manual Medicine and Physical Medicine modalities from Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Physical Therapy, and Massage therapy. Additionally, all testing and imaging (xray, mri, ct scan, bloodwork etc), injections, nutrition and addiction counseling as well as the recomendation of over the counter medications is included. so how can you be a PCP but you can prescribe meds? do they even go before Medical review boards, if they are NOT Medical Doctors?so i guess thats why he's involved with Kimkins cant lose a license you dont have __________________ ~La*La~ Happiness isn't pleasure. Happiness is VICTORY -Zig Zigler INSANITY is attempting to get a new result by performing the same action over and over again The road Tomorrow leads to a town called Nowhere.

10-21-2007, 10:31 AM	#1450
susique333 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 50 years old, I live in Omaha Posts: 775 Gallery: susique333 Stats: 230/173/150 WOE: Eat Fat Get Thin Start Date: summer 2007	StumbleUpon » Kimmer2's web site reviews and blog BlogExplosion Member Profile for Kimmer2 - BlogExplosion.com Cruise Critic Message Boards - View Profile: kimmer2 Found these too. edited to add another url Last edited by susique333 : 10-21-2007 at 10:36 AM.

10-21-2007, 01:54 PM	#1460
Magicsmom Committed to Succeed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 15,336 Gallery: Magicsmom Stats: 282/210/140 WOE: Seeing a nutritionist who believes in low carb! Start Date: Off & On (mostly on) since January 2004	Has it actually been proven that Heidi draws disability from the Federal Government, or is it an assumption that has been made? If she is as adept at con games as she seems to be, it's very likely that Kimkins.com is not her first scam. Hopefully, we can make it the last. But my point is, she may have "income" from many sources that we have no knowledge of. Last edited by Magicsmom : 10-21-2007 at 01:57 PM.

10-21-2007, 09:49 AM	#1442
gettinserious Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Crossroads of America :D Posts: 7,026 Gallery: gettinserious Stats: 366.2/315/170-150 WOE: lowcarb foods Start Date: argh	well, you said cancelled check. lol.. Those usually don't get printed. Processed checks do. Guess I misunderstood. Besides, if her prints were criminal at this point, the bank wouldn't cash the check, so its really a moot point I think. Now if it turns out she doesn't show up or still claims that someone else is the site owner, the police more than likely will be investigating that stuff throughly.

10-21-2007, 10:41 AM	#1452
susique333 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 50 years old, I live in Omaha Posts: 775 Gallery: susique333 Stats: 230/173/150 WOE: Eat Fat Get Thin Start Date: summer 2007	StumbleUpon » UrsusJaen's web site reviews and blog Look who Ursus is a fan of....right hand side of page. Ole Kimmy had a BF...

10-21-2007, 10:46 AM	#1454
Magicsmom Committed to Succeed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 15,336 Gallery: Magicsmom Stats: 282/210/140 WOE: Seeing a nutritionist who believes in low carb! Start Date: Off & On (mostly on) since January 2004	From the Kimpound, just for giggles, look how he spells the word "overdo" Re: Dr. Mark - About Constipation 2 Days, 4 Hours ago Yes you can overdue supplements. Vitamin C is a little different. It is water soluable and any excess is eliminated in urine. If you take too much as one time you will simply get loose stool. Read the labels and do not add duplicate "multi-use" type products.

10-21-2007, 01:46 PM	#1459
CarolynF Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 19,551 Gallery: CarolynF Stats: 195/144/139 WOE: Eat Fat, Get Thin/I Can Make You Thin Start Date: January 2001	No one is begrudging mentally ill people from getting disability here. But, the real question is if Heidi is REALLY mentally ill and eligible for disability or just a scam artist or is she "both"? There are many scam artists who are NOT mentally ill..just evil, conniving people. And, there are many evil people who hold down real jobs, too. I think mental illness is a broad term. Can sociopaths get disability because they are sociopaths? Are we talking about 2 different things?

10-21-2007, 01:59 PM	#1461
dlslds Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,030 Gallery: dlslds WOE: QUACK POWER	seems like 2 different things to me Carolyn. and I dont know if sociopaths can get dissabilityor not. but the point is sociopathic or not the law is still the law and you can't scam, hurt, murder, cause illness to innocent people w/o being held accountable for it or punished for it (if caught)