Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[Piekinns]

Originally Posted by gettinserious

I went from this:




To this:




in the last 4 1/2 months

.

M'kay....call me a skeptic

But I really don't think these are the same person. See....um .... I have this friend that has some amazing photo shop software and well he greatly enlarged the photos and found that the forearm area of the after photo was 3 pixels LESS in length than the before photo.

Can't fool me with your sneaky pictures!

[gibster]

Originally Posted by juniper01

I have not read the book yet, I agree with what I heard him say last night, (what he could get in!) EXCEPT for the statement that exercise does you no good. It made my hackles go up, thinking how that type of advice sounded like Kimkins. Correct me if you think I am wrong, but exercise is necessary for weight loss, I have never had success without it.

I think what he was trying to say was that aerobic exercise doesn't make you lose weight. It has other benefits, but has not been proven to reduce weight on it's own.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Piekinns

M'kay....call me a skeptic

But I really don't think these are the same person. See....um .... I have this friend that has some amazing photo shop software and well he greatly enlarged the photos and found that the forearm area of the after photo was 3 pixels LESS in length than the before photo.

Can't fool me with your sneaky pictures!

Kimmer's sister?

[BamaGal]

[quote=Tanner;9384418]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

A notice was sent to WINN and SIMS. A professional corporation on 10-17-07

Could this be the "new owners" or partners. I thought maybe Heidi's attorney but it doesn't list representation for her yet so I am thinking the new owners!

they are collection attorney's---they go after people who owe other people money---I assume they have been in court with Heidi before when that school was suing her for payment

Originally Posted by juniper01

I have not read the book yet, I agree with what I heard him say last night, (what he could get in!) EXCEPT for the statement that exercise does you no good. It made my hackles go up, thinking how that type of advice sounded like Kimkins. Correct me if you think I am wrong, but exercise is necessary for weight loss, I have never had success without it.

Check out Taubes article in the NY Mag Does Exercise Really Make Us Thinner

it's a pretty good read-he is not against exercise personally but he explains how exercising only makes you eat more

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Kona sunset

Thanks, Princess! He did get to say more, but I have to say that Gary is just not a good debater. It would be like putting me in a situation like that. No matter how well I know my material, I'm not a debater so I have a really tough time getting my point across, let alone proving it. Now, we all know that there are people that can take concepts that are totally false, play upon our sensitivities, current knowledge, etc. and convince us that they are completely right.

Now, we just need to see justice done!

Atkins himself did not present himself well on television interviews. And they always set these interviews up so the onus is on the person trying to counteract common views. I am reading Gary's book and it is a must buy! In my opinion, we have all been bamboozled when it comes to theories on cholesterol, heart disease, and fats. For decades, we have been led by theories proposed by researchers who ignored the results of their own studies because it did not fit in with their predisposed ideas. Everyone has been told to eat low-fat, high carbohydrate diets. The result has been tremendous increases in obesity and diabetes. The lesson? One must do the research and be sceptical at all times, even of our own doctors' advice.

Fat has NEVER been proven to be a heart disease risk, as an example. Carbohydrates HAVE been proven to raise insulin levels, which causes obesity, and to show up as an indicater in many chronic diseases among populations migrating to a western diet.

If you read nothing else, read Gary Taube's book.

Oh, and just so you know -- I was personally treated by Dr. Atkins at the Atkins Center in NYC.

[CarolynF]

Gary Taubes is a writer/scientist..so his "gifts" aren't public speaking. He did seem uncomfortable just being on television even without the Oz next to him. But, his written words speak volumes. I have heard that losing fat is 95 percent diet and 5 percent exercise and I totally agree with this. And, I was very interested in the part about women losing their testerone during/after menopause, so the muscle mass does "leave the building"..That's why eating an adequate amount of protein is so important..

[Dottie]

I don't know why I was thinking about this, but Kimmer had to have spent hundreds of hours doing internet research to keep her lies looking credible.
Look at all the hundreds of posts about skin care and hair care, complete with online and real stores to buy the products she claimed she used.
Look at all the posts about fasting, ketogenics, general nutrition and all that.
All those times she'd disappear for a few days at a time, claiming things with her foster kids and stuff... she must have been researching her 'facts' to make her claims look real...

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Gary Taubes is a writer/scientist..so his "gifts" aren't public speaking. He did seem uncomfortable just being on television even without the Oz next to him. But, his written words speak volumes. I have heard that losing fat is 95 percent diet and 5 percent exercise and I totally agree with this. And, I was very interested in the part about women losing their testerone during/after menopause, so the muscle mass does "leave the building"..That's why eating an adequate amount of protein is so important..

I'm jumping in to this discussion late, but I did watch LCL last night with Gary Taubes, Dr. Oz, et. al. I actually have experienced the testosterone loss due to menopause and am on hormone replacement that includes testosterone. Eating protein does help maintain muscle mass, but the best way to keep your muscle is to use it, ie. weight lifting.

The exercise/weight loss debate always gets frustrating for me because while it is true that exercise alone is not the biggest factor in weight loss, I believe exercise is very important for long-term healthy weight maintenance. I actually thought Jillian Michaels made some very good points. Exercise isn't just about burning calories. It helps balance a lot of hormones in the body, and that contributes to healthy weight loss/maintenance. It's not just a simple matter of exercise burning fat. Exercise makes you feel better (increased endorphins), makes you sleep better (decreases cortisol), helps keep your thyroid healthy, helps keep bone and muscle mass, and improves the condition your heart and lungs. All of these things contribute to overall health, so they also contribute to weight loss.

[MorganMacLeoid]

[lala]

hey i havent been able to catch up with the 8 thread with aporx 400 pages each! YIKES but i was wondering if anyone ever figured out who these "sucess stories" are?

i know this one was a before the after was the Russian Joseph guy:

or the after i know the before was a russian mail order bride but i always thought this after was funny cause shes on kimkins and loading up on BAD CARBS! LOL

these i just havent seen anywhere




im just curious or nosey take your pick

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Dottie

I don't know why I was thinking about this, but Kimmer had to have spent hundreds of hours doing internet research to keep her lies looking credible.
Look at all the hundreds of posts about skin care and hair care, complete with online and real stores to buy the products she claimed she used.
Look at all the posts about fasting, ketogenics, general nutrition and all that.
All those times she'd disappear for a few days at a time, claiming things with her foster kids and stuff... she must have been researching her 'facts' to make her claims look real...

I was thinking about this last week. The amount of time she really did spend: one on one answering emails, posting on the site, and REALLY WORKING. She could have been successful and legit if she had just promoted the site more like a private club for support, and used the support group as the reason for success on a low carb diet. There was no need to steal pictures. All that was needed was to offer a few free memberships in exchange for real stories rights.

I guess she was just feeding off of what she already knew - the art of the con.

I'm not making excuses for her or feeling pity, just analyzing and looking for the things that made the business really go. It just amazes me, the effort that was put into it could have been put into something legal and would have been just as successful.

[serenity_aus]

I believe this lady actually came in here and said it was her

[juniper01]

Originally Posted by dlslds

Juniper is there a transcript by any chance?

Yes sweetie, there is a transcript on the same page that you click to open the podcast. The only thing that will be missing is hearing "Heidi's" charming voice spewing lies.

Oh, by the way, I loved your before and after pictures, very cute!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Dottie

I don't know why I was thinking about this, but Kimmer had to have spent hundreds of hours doing internet research to keep her lies looking credible.
Look at all the hundreds of posts about skin care and hair care, complete with online and real stores to buy the products she claimed she used.
Look at all the posts about fasting, ketogenics, general nutrition and all that.
All those times she'd disappear for a few days at a time, claiming things with her foster kids and stuff... she must have been researching her 'facts' to make her claims look real...

As another obese person who has been glued to a computer chair for eons, in my case because of medical problems, I have spent lots of time researching lots of different items. It doesn't take long with Google to amass virtual libraries. I think Heidi had different medical problems - and the Internet made her an instant expert. What she didn't have actual experience with, she "borrowed." In fact, from things she let slip, I'm positive she has researched the side effects from various popular medicines that have provoked class action lawsuits and made her (disallowed) claims. And anybody as intelligent as Heidi would definitely search out literature on alopecia, hypothyroidism, weight loss surgery, in fact, everything pertaining to weight loss, living on a tight budget, fostering and so on. Plus add in her natural ability as a writer, (writers tend to store up random bits of potentially useful information) and with her litiginous and criminal background, and she has become a formidable Internet presence.
But I still think she puts the Internet on hold when her friend Captain Morgan comes a-calling, and did so in the past.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by juniper01

Yes sweetie, there is a transcript on the same page that you click to open the podcast. The only thing that will be missing is hearing "Heidi's" charming voice spewing lies.

Oh, by the way, I loved your before and after pictures, very cute!

Thanks Babe!!!

[lala]

Originally Posted by serenity_aus

I believe this lady actually came in here and said it was her

oh cool i love that thru all this drama there are REAL TRUE losers out there good for her! i hope all is well and no long term effects for her. ((hugs)) thanks serenity_aus

oh yeah why does the KIMKINS 2 different myspace accounts still have Russian model pictures posted as Kimmer? i decided to go to each of the sites "friends" and send them links to all the wonderful sites exposeing this deadly scam lets hope someone will hear the message!

[centralpa]

Originally Posted by SMP

As another obese person who has been glued to a computer chair for eons, in my case because of medical problems, I have spent lots of time researching lots of different items. It doesn't take long with Google to amass virtual libraries. I think Heidi had different medical problems - and the Internet made her an instant expert. What she didn't have actual experience with, she "borrowed." In fact, from things she let slip, I'm positive she has researched the side effects from various popular medicines that have provoked class action lawsuits and made her (disallowed) claims. And anybody as intelligent as Heidi would definitely search out literature on alopecia, hypothyroidism, weight loss surgery, in fact, everything pertaining to weight loss, living on a tight budget, fostering and so on. Plus add in her natural ability as a writer, (writers tend to store up random bits of potentially useful information) and with her litiginous and criminal background, and she has become a formidable Internet presence.
But I still think she puts the Internet on hold when her friend Captain Morgan comes a-calling, and did so in the past.

SMP: I think you are right on target with your post. BTW, I also think that Heidi posts here. JMHO

cheers,
Wendy

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by JuliaL

I'm jumping in to this discussion late, but I did watch LCL last night with Gary Taubes, Dr. Oz, et. al. I actually have experienced the testosterone loss due to menopause and am on hormone replacement that includes testosterone. Eating protein does help maintain muscle mass, but the best way to keep your muscle is to use it, ie. weight lifting.

The exercise/weight loss debate always gets frustrating for me because while it is true that exercise alone is not the biggest factor in weight loss, I believe exercise is very important for long-term healthy weight maintenance. I actually thought Jillian Michaels made some very good points. Exercise isn't just about burning calories. It helps balance a lot of hormones in the body, and that contributes to healthy weight loss/maintenance. It's not just a simple matter of exercise burning fat. Exercise makes you feel better (increased endorphins), makes you sleep better (decreases cortisol), helps keep your thyroid healthy, helps keep bone and muscle mass, and improves the condition your heart and lungs. All of these things contribute to overall health, so they also contribute to weight loss.

What a great post! Alas, I haven't been able to keep up with my exercise, and totally FEEL the difference. My husband was in for 2 heart surgeries within 3 weeks and I thought I was gonna lose him. I haven't exercised for months and I really feel the difference.

I follow Dr. Richard Bernstein's diet, because I am now a diabetic type 2. Dr. Bernstein heartily believes in exercise, specifically weight training.

[susique333]

Hi Julia! <thread jack sorta>

After my total hyst over 2 years ago, I opted for USP progesterone cream only (learned so much via Hystersisters.com) after gaining 30#s in a few months on estrogen. I just found a Dr. who believes in replacing testosterone in post menopause/hysterectomy gals. Luckily, I live very close to a compounding pharmacy too. My Q to you is, do you feel like your desire for and endurance of exercise is better now that youre replacing your testosterone? The SINGLE most annoying thing post hyst for me is the lack of energy . <sigh>

Originally Posted by JuliaL

I'm jumping in to this discussion late, but I did watch LCL last night with Gary Taubes, Dr. Oz, et. al. I actually have experienced the testosterone loss due to menopause and am on hormone replacement that includes testosterone. Eating protein does help maintain muscle mass, but the best way to keep your muscle is to use it, ie. weight lifting.

The exercise/weight loss debate always gets frustrating for me because while it is true that exercise alone is not the biggest factor in weight loss, I believe exercise is very important for long-term healthy weight maintenance. I actually thought Jillian Michaels made some very good points. Exercise isn't just about burning calories. It helps balance a lot of hormones in the body, and that contributes to healthy weight loss/maintenance. It's not just a simple matter of exercise burning fat. Exercise makes you feel better (increased endorphins), makes you sleep better (decreases cortisol), helps keep your thyroid healthy, helps keep bone and muscle mass, and improves the condition your heart and lungs. All of these things contribute to overall health, so they also contribute to weight loss.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by serenity_aus

I believe this lady actually came in here and said it was her

Nope, this one is a faker, too.

[CarolynF]

I think she is a "faker", too..The after doesn't even look like the before to me..Plus the after looks about 20..the before about 30 to me..

[LINC]

Originally Posted by Maid of Erin

I would post if I were sure she was going. Someone mentioned that she could give her deposition in her attorney's office? Anybody have confirmation of where she has to appear?

She'll most likely go to the Jeanessa's attorney's office. The deposition won't be open to the public and the transcript of the deposition won't be either. It won't be at the courthouse. The only people allowed in the deposition are people named in the lawsuit, their attorneys and a court reporter. If you're one of the plaintiffs, you could go. It will probably take longer than one day, considering how much evidence they have. They'll probably pull out each bride picture and ask her about it. They may even ask her about each and every person who's been banned from the site.

Here's what I'm curious about. Will they depose Tippy? Or any of the other mods? Or the mods who left the site? Can they? They're all out of state.

Lou

[LINC]

I am the ultimate thread killer.

I killed the Kimmer thread.

Lou