Why the fascination with Kimmer? #8

[juniper01]

I did not give Kimmer any of my hard earned money, but for those that did, have you filled out this form yet?Office of the Inspector General

[centralpa]

[quote=HoneyBee2;9384018]
I was watching the Larry King while it was being recorded and it was frustrating me, because I wanted to hear Gary talk!!! He couldn't get a sentence out. Maybe I am being too critical because I wanted to hear about his findings not the same old BS about dieting.

The transcript of Gary Taubes on LKL last night is here:
CNN.com - Transcripts

I also posted the entire transcript of the panel discussion in the Main Lobby of LCFs.

cheers,
Wendy

[McLurkypants]

Originally Posted by LINC

They make you take an oath, but I'm not sure what can happen if you lie. Someone said (I think on the PG) that they think Kimmer will send her lawyer to the deposition instead of appearing herself. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lurkypants, but I don't think that will fly. Kimmer herself has to appear. They'll ask her all kinds of questions, show her all kinds of documents (I bet a lot of Russian bride pictures ) and they'll transcribe everything she says. My deposition was something like 4 hours long. They really grill you and try to trip you up. They twist your words around and try to get you to say things you don't mean. It's pretty awful. Kimmer will have to be there, but Jenessa and the other plaintiffs won't have to be unless they want to be. Nobody else will be there because it's not open to the public. If the case goes to trial, they'll have that transcript there to compare to what she says in court. Kimmer better get her stories straight.

Lou

You're right. The actual party named to be deposed has to be there to give testimony under oath. A court reporter is there and a transcript is created. These days, they are often also videotaped. Your attorney can attend with you to "defend" during the deposition. The purpose of a deposition is fact-finding in order to narrow the issues for litigation. This is the "Discovery" phase of the case, between filling and trial. Either side can depose parties, issue written interrogatories (questions the have to answer in writing) and Requests for Documents.

When this phase is over, Hidey's attorney will probably file a Motion to Dismiss the suit. If not, they'll go to pretrial hearing and set a date for trial. All during this time the Court will be encouraging settlement. Some jurisdictions send certain cases to Alternate Dispute Resolution - mediation, arbitration, etc.

Also, at some point early on, the Judge will decide whether the Plaintiffs should be certified as a "Class" for a class action suit. IF they are not, they can still proceed as a group of individually named Plaintiffs.

There can be many stalls along the way, so I anticipate this will take quite some time to resolve.

[gibster]

Originally Posted by CJane

I was ticked, too! I didn't know it was the Mehmet Oz show.

Gary couldn't get a word in edgewise!! But, I noticed when he was able to speak that he nearly made Dr. Oz look...uh...well, there's no kind way to say how he made him look. I don't think Gary got to really say what his book was about enough to make people want to buy it to find out more, and that really makes me sad. I think everyone who cares about their health and the health of their loved ones, or patients, should read this book!

On topic - I wonder if Heidi was served, too.

Oh, I was frustrated, too, watching that show...Grrrrr....No one seemed to be listening, or to have read the book - except Dr. Weil. Jillian obviously didn't read the book, because she accused Taubes of touting a "diet without exercise" as a way to sell books. Sheeesh, it's not a diet book! It just lays out the research and the myths. Excellent book, BTW - I just started reading it, and I'm engrossed - almost as much as with this thread.

[juniper01]

Originally Posted by gibster

Oh, I was frustrated, too, watching that show...Grrrrr....No one seemed to be listening, or to have read the book - except Dr. Weil. Jillian obviously didn't read the book, because she accused Taubes of touting a "diet without exercise" as a way to sell books. Sheeesh, it's not a diet book! It just lays out the research and the myths. Excellent book, BTW - I just started reading it, and I'm engrossed - almost as much as with this thread.

I have not read the book yet, I agree with what I heard him say last night, (what he could get in!) EXCEPT for the statement that exercise does you no good. It made my hackles go up, thinking how that type of advice sounded like Kimkins. Correct me if you think I am wrong, but exercise is necessary for weight loss, I have never had success without it.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by jlshields

I agree, I thought it was going to be an interview with Gary and we had to listen to Oz, Weil and the best loser gal argue with Gary. Hope he gets to do other shows where they actually want to hear what he has to say instead of a debate.

If you guys want to hear Gary have more time to speak, watch this YouTube panel diet discussion. Oz moderates, and Ornish is there, but Taubes gets to have his say. Remember, no matter where he goes, if it's part of a group discussion, he will be the controversial one, so he will get flak:

YouTube - Charlie Rose - NUTRITION PANEL

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

The search function is still horrible if not worse and I had to do the same thing to find a member's post.

Dr. Oz was there to promote his Monday talks on Oprah IMHO and Gary wanted to discuss the facts. It seemed the valid points of the book and those made by Gary were spun into jokes to avoid the fact that science supports what Gary was stating. The circumvention of facts by jokes, may have been due to the host, or due to the fact that Dr. Oz was not there to discuss the facts at all, but again to promote his Monday's on Oprah.

I agree .... I was very disappointed that they never gave him a chance to talk. I thought the moderator was horrible! Big disappointment as far as I was concerned.

What was interesting was the info on exercise. Gosh my doctor told me that in the early '70's. He told me not to exercise until I lost my weight - exercise increases insulin and insulin increases appetite. Hmmmm!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Diana

And all that extra plastic... er... skin, you must have had surgery!

There was NO way she could be that heavy - lose that much weight and not have skin continue to sag. I never bought that story!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

When you pull up the case at the Riverside site, you can click on stuff at the top..Action Hearings Pending etc. and it tells you more about the case. The date of the case to be heard is in April, 2008..

I wonder what Cheryl's husband understands about all this legal stuff..It is rather confusing to us layfolks..

One thing my husband noticed was the amount of possible plaintiffs - 40,000. So they had to put a number in there. Even if you did receive a refund you can still sign up for punitive damages because they are also suing for that. The banned members did not get what they paid for (Life time membership - e-book, etc.)

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Always wanted to go to GV for their Victorian Christmas!! Hear it is really nice but won't drive up there in the winter, lol.

LOL When we moved there, my mom said there were only two directions, up and down! My dad was a pastor and moved to another church while I was in college. I've only been back once since then on a trip to CA to get away after my first husband died. That was 21 years ago and in the summer. The Victorian Christmas must have started after I went to college. I don't remember it, but what a wonderful town for something like that.

Back to catching up.

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by gettinserious

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J/K! Just trying to get into Kimmers mindset and see what the thoughts were behind the scam. I DO have to admit, that I have never looked better!

[CarolynF]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

You're right. The actual party named to be deposed has to be there to give testimony under oath. A court reporter is there and a transcript is created. These days, they are often also videotaped. Your attorney can attend with you to "defend" during the deposition. The purpose of a deposition is fact-finding in order to narrow the issues for litigation. This is the "Discovery" phase of the case, between filling and trial. Either side can depose parties, issue written interrogatories (questions the have to answer in writing) and Requests for Documents.

When this phase is over, Hidey's attorney will probably file a Motion to Dismiss the suit. If not, they'll go to pretrial hearing and set a date for trial. All during this time the Court will be encouraging settlement. Some jurisdictions send certain cases to Alternate Dispute Resolution - mediation, arbitration, etc.

Also, at some point early on, the Judge will decide whether the Plaintiffs should be certified as a "Class" for a class action suit. IF they are not, they can still proceed as a group of individually named Plaintiffs.

There can be many stalls along the way, so I anticipate this will take quite some time to resolve.

Thanks so much for explaining this for most of us who don't understand the legal process. Some Playground gals want to be outside of the attorney's office when Kimmer walks in. Obviously, she would have to make an appointment with John (attorney) to make her deposition so they could have a court reporter there, etc. So, it would be "cool" to know when that would happen.

Attorney hours are very expensive ($250 plus an hour), so if Kimmer were smart she would avoid the trial and make a settlement right away. Anyway, she will have to pay HER attorney fees, so that makes me feel good..and hopefully Jeanessa's fees, too..

It's all about patience right now and waiting on the system.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by kakay

Tippy needs to check things out before she jumps into believing people. She may have done this innocently but when she found out that kimmer was scamming her into doing the fund raiser she should have come clean with every one, but NO, instead she runs right into her trap deeper. I hope she has to pay for this too. Wasn't there mention on kimkins that she is conducting another fund raiser of some sort? She will never learn her lesson. I think all the power of taking over the kimpire has truly gone to her head. Too late to clean it up tippy, all of it has already been exposed.

I believe I read in one of her recopied notes over here that Tippy advised those joining her new fundraiser to send the money directly to the charities involved. See? I think Tippy WAS listening ... reading over here. Do you need any more hints what to do next,Tippy? Just ask on KK.

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by dlslds

I feel inspired to show my before and after pics


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my dh says I look like a real doll!!!!

Amazing transformation!

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by centralpa

The transcript of Gary Taubes on LKL last night is here:
CNN.com - Transcripts

I also posted the entire transcript of the panel discussion in the Main Lobby of LCFs.

cheers,
Wendy

Thanks, Wendy! I recorded it, but I get more out of it if I can read it. I don't have the book yet, but plan to get it. Have to wait for payday.

[Confession]

Originally Posted by rebel

Yeah, and 80% of them just happened to pick their "before" picture from the same Russian bride website.

I know this was from pages back, but

[Maid of Erin]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Some Playground gals want to be outside of the attorney's office when Kimmer walks in.

Ooooh, please do this! There has to be someone here near the courthouse. Take some video and post it on youtube!!!

[CarolynF]

Maid..Go over to the Kimmer Playground thread and encourage them to do this.. Of course, we all would have to know the date she is showing up..

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by Confession

I know this was from pages back, but

Confession! Are you attending Banned Camp?

[juniper01]

I have been cleaning today, and while doing so I have been listening to Jimmy's Podcast. It is so well done, I don't know if it is right to post the link here, but anyone that needs more information and a general rundown of the Kimins facts, it is great to listen to!
Heidi Diaz: Don’t Let The Door Hit Ya! (Episode 94) | The Livin La Vida Low-Carb Show with Jimmy Moore

[Confession]

Originally Posted by susyhammer

I have a question for all ex- (and current) KK members. It's been niggling at me for the last couple of threads.

Here at LCF, if you reach goal and become a "success story," people are interested and curious and happy for you. You are asked for pointers, your menus, how you did it, to "share your story."

Did anybody ever wonder why none of those bogus successes ever posted or participated on the board? Or did they? (If they did, it had to be Ms. Diaz posing as them...do any of you remember some of them sharing their experiences?)

It's a small thing but I've been wondering. If posts from false "success stories" could be found it would be even more proof of blatant fraud.

When I joined, and saw the success stories, I was confused who people were because the stories had first names, but everyone on the site uses screen names. I just assumed that some of these active posters were the success stories.
There was no way to link from the success stories to the user name like the success stories posted here at LCF. They were all in a seperate area and with NO user info.
It was all chaotic over there when I joined and everything was a mess with Newbies everywhere asking the same questions over and over. I tried it for a few weeks and KNEW that KK was not for me. As I finally looked around and found the answers to questions, I did not like what I was seeing. (21 day water fast was the post that was the final straw for me!!!!)

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by susyhammer

I have a question for all ex- (and current) KK members. It's been niggling at me for the last couple of threads.

Here at LCF, if you reach goal and become a "success story," people are interested and curious and happy for you. You are asked for pointers, your menus, how you did it, to "share your story."

Did anybody ever wonder why none of those bogus successes ever posted or participated on the board? Or did they? (If they did, it had to be Ms. Diaz posing as them...do any of you remember some of them sharing their experiences?)

It's a small thing but I've been wondering. If posts from false "success stories" could be found it would be even more proof of blatant fraud.

I thought they had just "left the site" onto their new skinny lives. There were others on the site who were chatting that were very very close to their own goal. It was enough for me.

[Maid of Erin]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Maid..Go over to the Kimmer Playground thread and encourage them to do this.. Of course, we all would have to know the date she is showing up..

I would post if I were sure she was going. Someone mentioned that she could give her deposition in her attorney's office? Anybody have confirmation of where she has to appear?