Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[Katinsac]

Good morning all....

If Dr Mark did see an add....where? The newspaper? Maybe someone ought to be checking out the newspaper web site (classified section)? But...I don't think it is true either, I think TT asked him. I do believe they are friends. Hope he sees the light soon. If he is a young guy trying to get his business off the ground, this could hurt it a lot, now and in the future.

[Katinsac]

this would be interesting:

Hi Dr. Mark,
I was wondering if there are any plans in place for you to host a live chat in the chat room. I would love that

This from Tippy (no response from Dr Mark yet..he hasn't been on since the 10th)

Dr. Mark, if you like this idea let us know! I do understand you have been putting some time in here but perhaps you could spare 30 min a week or so? Of course this is up to you but we would be delighted!

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

Welcome!

Great idea on the musical! I'd love to see the South Park guys tackle it. Can you imagine? Cartman trying the diet, and Kyle finding out it was a scam and getting Chef to try and convince Cartman to see the light, and Chef getting all sucked into the cult. The mayor calling a town hall meeting to warn everybody.

Remember the song "Blame Canada" from the South Park movie? "Blame Hidey! Blame Hidey!"

Hee!

OK back to watching Alabama/Ole Miss....nailbiter!

Playing catch up this morning - Chef should be the one to figure out the scam. He visits the home of the diet founder looking for love and realizes it's a scam. In the end he gets it on with the russian bride.

[Katinsac]

Guess Fawn is running out of lovy-dovy stuff to post, she is now printing out medical advice for everyone:

THIS POST is in no way condonning any lipo suction or any type of surgery or fat removal....

the PURPOSE of this post is to SHARE INFORMATION about the stomach and fat. I didnt write it, I am copying and pasting the article here in my journal. This Post is here for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY***




Anatomy of The Abdomen, and what Causes FAT and How we can change it!

(Basically avoid or reduce: sugar, starchy foods and a high glycemic Index)


Overall Topic: Anatomy of The Abdomen, Its Fat Layers and Underlying Muscles

Fat cells can expand enormously. Insulin is a huge culprit in fat storage. This means anything that can cause your insulin to spike. Candy and sugar aren't the only bad guys, bread, potatoes, carrots, corn anything which has a high glycemic index can increases fat storage. Excess of these items can cause excess fat.

America LIVES off of boxed and processed foods and lots of carbohydrates. Sugar, Sugar everywhere, equals a lot of fat. It not only increases your waistline is disrupts your hormones as well.

Although you most certainly don't need to know what the Obliquus externus abdominis and fascia of Scarpa are to have an abdominoplasty, here is a de_script_ion in simple terms so that you will know what muscles are responsible for what if you so choose.

Let's start with the skin.

I am going to talk about what is affected by the laxity of the tissues due to pregnancy, weight gain or age...after the skin has lost its ability to spring back from being all stretched out.

The Skin

Your skin is constantly replenishing itself. When you are younger your skin's turnover rate is about every 15-18 days. When you start approaching your mid-thirties the process slows down to as much as every 28 days.

The Epidermis is the upper most layer of the skin, where we shed our skin cells and reveal the newer cells that are produced in the basal layer (the bottom). Products purchased in the stores affect this layer only. So if you think that those miracle skin-firming creams are going to work - they're not. If skin is stretched out, and it hasn't bounced back yet, it's not going to. This is the exception of course if you have a significant fat layer and you haven't lost it or had it removed yet.

The Dermis is the next level down of the skin. This level contains oil glands, nerves, capillaries, your body's melanin (the cells that are responsible for your coloring and a tan) plus sweat glands that moderate your body's temperature. The dermis also contains your natural collagen and elastin in addition to your fat and water storage. Your collagen and elastin are responsible for that springiness that gives your skin its youthful vitality. Without this, your skin would feel like crepe paper and would almost split down the middle when you were pregnant or had excess weight. We tend to lose a lot of our elastin and collagen as we age, hence the skin-thinning and laxity that we hate so much.

Fat Fat Fat!

Many of us hate it, BUT we need it. It is essential to health and you would look harsh without it. However, many of us have more than we'd like so here we go...

Many female bodies hold excess fat in our thighs, buttocks, hips and stomach. Men seem to hold it in their abdomen and general waist area. Some of us even have excess visceral fat, which may give the appearance of a large pot-belly even after superficial liposuction or tummy tuck.

Men seem to also have *better* connective tissue as opposed to ours which betray us and fail to keep our superficial fat IN or unrestricted, creating cellulite.

_meta_bolism and Age:

Then to top that off, as we age our _meta_bolism slows. Resulting in stubborn pockets of fat in areas that we don't want and fat loss in areas we'd like to keep it. We work out like crazy, diet until we are skinny everywhere else BUT that target area we are trying to lose. We buy girdles, fat-creams, sessions of Endermologie, spend our lunch hour on stair climbers and still, it is stuck to us like glue. Well, thank goodness for liposuction and manual fat removal.

Fat removal is usually a very routine addition to tummy tuck surgery no matter your level of laxity.

What Is Fat?

Fat is called adipose tissue, singularly a fat cell being an adipocyte, this layer is very important. You may hate it and despise its effects on your thighs and abs but you need it!

There are primarily two types of fat...

White Fat is normal fat tissue that replaces brown fat in infants during the first year of life.

Brown fat is a mammalian heat-producing tissue occurring especially in human newborn infants -- called also brown adipose fat.

** Without a fat layer you would freeze to death, have no energy stores and have to eat constantly, your body would not function properly, you'd burn muscle tissue more often, and worse. But, we all have a little more fat than we'd like or need - so if you can't work it off, get it sucked out.

There are two layers of fat, actually THREE if you count the deepest, visceral fat, or omentum.

1. There is the normal, extra-abdominal fat layer, which is commonly removed in liposuction.
2. There is a more dense, superficial fatty tissue which is less commonly removed although patients with loose skin may benefit from superficial liposuction.
3. Last is the visceral layer, which shouldn't be touched. The visceral layer is the deepest area of fat (sometimes called intra-abdominal fat), which surrounds and covers the intestines and other lower body organs in the torso. It can be quite prominent in those who are obese, have typical apple-shaped body types due to diabetes and those who have HIV and are on Protease.

This protuberance which can be very pronounced is often referred to The Protease Paunch" It is thought that in male patients who have marked abdominal fat, the majority of this fat is omental. Proper diet and exercise is essential in regulating the amount of omental fat. However, hormonal disorders or fluctuations can have an effect as can some medications (such as Protease).

The Omentum aka Omenta aka Omental Fat:

Omental fat can become very distended, however it is still very dangerous to attempt liposuction of this area due to risk of puncturing or otherwise upsetting the lower digestive organs. The Omenta is very important and is not only an energy storage unit, it also protects, insulates and lubricates the organs to shield the delicate tissues from friction injury.

Most liposuction procedures target the extra-abdominal layer of fat and not the omentum.

The greater omentum is a thin and transparent membranous sac (also called the peritoneum) which houses enlarged adipocytes within its membranous pockets.

The smaller omentum lies between the stomach and liver and also contains adipose tissue. There are also other, smaller membranous sacs of adipose tissue throughout the viscera. . The omental fat can be excessive in persons with diabetes, severe obesity and in HIV patients who use protease inhibitors. Protease Inhibitors (Viracept®, Crixivan®, Norvir® and Invirase®) tend to disrupt fat distribution thought to cause the omenta to become more fatty (called sometimes The Protease Paunch or Crix-belly from use of Crixivan®) as well as the nape (back) of the neck (sometimes horribly called a Buffalo Hump).

However, some physicians believe this is not fat but dense scar tissue formation instead which causes the distended abdomen or Buffalo Hump. Oddly, when the protease inhibitors or cocktails of medications were ceased (or regimens altered), the weight gain and fatty deposits resolved. Cases which were analyzed showed that it was a dense form of fatty tissue, described as a cluster if benign lipomas rather than scar tissue or normal adipose tissue.

Incidentally "Buffalo Hump" syndrome removal through liposuction or surgical excision is an option. Whereas intra-abdominal (mesenteric) fat removal is very risky and very rarely performed. Some protease inhibitor-induces abnormal fat distribution is extra-abdominal (subcutaneous) and is easily removed with normal liposuction.

The Superficial Fat Layer is more dense and is tightly packed with nerves, and blood vessels. Considerable damage to any of the functional components of the skin can result in visible irregularities and discolorations, permanent irregularities. The superficial fat layer is also something that can cause cellulite to be more visible especially when contracting, tight bands of connective tissue squeeze portions of the fat cells and push them to the surfaces or contract parts of the fatty tissue away from it. Fat percentage and placement depends upon hormones such as insulin, testosterone and estrogen.

The one thing about fat is that once puberty is over - what fat you have is what fat you get forever.
Your fat cells only multiply if you reach 200% of your body weight. Which is a rare occurrence indeed.

******However, fat cells can expand enormously. Insulin is a huge culprit in fat storage. This means anything that can cause your insulin to spike. Candy and sugar aren't the only bad guys, bread, potatoes, carrots, corn anything which has a high glycemic index can increases fat storage. Excess of these items can cause excess fat. America LIVES off of boxed and processed foods and lots of carbohydrates. Sugar, Sugar everywhere, equals a lot of fat. It not only increases your waistline is disrupts your hormones as well.

FasciaFascia is what covers all of our muscles and most organs. It helps keep it's shape, protects it and pretty much keeps us in compact form as opposed to the shapeless jellyfish we would resemble. Fascia is very important!·

Superficial Fascia of the Abdomen is the thin layer of loose fatty connective tissue underlying the skin and binding it to the parts beneath. The fascia holds everything together and keeps everything compact and tight. When this becomes stretched out, it can create a permanent distended look even if your own muscles are toned. ·

Deep Fascia is a firm fascia that ensheathes and binds together muscles and other internal structures. The deep fascia also gets stretched out although it is more sturdy and is responsible for keeping your organs in. The muscles, superficial fascia and skin are what are normally tightened in abdominoplasty.

The Muscles of the Abdomen

There are certainly more muscles to the torso than the Obliquus externus, Obliquus internus, transversus and the Rectus abdominus - but they are the ones which matter most. They are responsible for the shape of the abdomen and are the chief muscles, which become stretched. However, it is the rectus abdominus muscle/fascia which suffers from diastasis (separation) after they are distended.

Rectus muscle/fascia plication is the tightening of stretched or weakened bodily tissues or channels by folding the excess in tucks and suturing; and second is the folding of one part on and the fastening of it to another along the linea alba.

Alba is a median vertical tendinous line on the abdomen formed of fibers from the aponeuroses of the two rectus abdominis muscles and extending from the xiphoid process to the pubic symphysis and is the main internal event in a full abdominoplasty and will restore a slimmer and flat stomach should you need repair.

The Rectus abdominis is a long, flat muscle which runs along the anterior (front) center of the abdomen. There are actually two parts (sides), held within a sheath of sorts of fascia and are separated by the linea alba. The rectus muscle attaches to the cartilages of the fifth, sixth, and seventh ribs which branch out from the bottom section of the sternum. This muscle and its sheath takes the brunt of the stretching that accompanies pregnancy and weight gain.

The linea alba is the line down the center, which you can see, in a well-toned abdomen. It is also the area, which can separate more due to the stretching. We will discuss the plication of this area soon. Cross-section of the sheath of the Rectus abdominus, linea alba, transversus and Obliquus abdominus (imagine yourself looking down at a cross-section of your tummy (without the organs, of course)

The Rectus is covered, or rather enclosed, in a sheath of connective tissue formed by the aponeuroses [: any of the broad flat sheets of dense fibrous collagenous connective tissue that cover, invest, and form the terminations and attachments of various muscles] of the Obliqui [: one that forms the outer layer of the lateral abdominal wall --called also external oblique, obliquus externus abdominis] and Transversus [: a flat muscle with transverse fibers that forms the innermost layer of the anterolateral wall of the abdomen and that acts to constrict the abdominal viscera and assist in expulsion of the contents of various abdominal organs (as in urination, defecation, vomiting, and parturition)] .

The abdominal muscles and skin become lax after this area is distended due to pregnancy and weight gain. Remember even if you have never been pregnancy or overweight, this area becomes lax with age.

With the addition of lax muscles and skin sometimes we are plaqued by thin white lines and deep purplish fissures in the skin called stretch marks! Not to mention an increase in the size of the breasts PRE-implants didn't help out.

Well that's about it, at least that's all we truly need to know to understand what the surgeon is going to do. If you'd like more info, ask your surgeon what he is specifically going to do in your own case..

References
The Muscles and Fasciæ of the Abdomen; Henry Gray (1821–1865). Anatomy of the Human Body. 1918Merriam_Webster Medical Dictionary

[Katinsac]

Ok, gonna go read my paper for once sence starting this saga months ago. Glad everyone is checking out the other threads here and taking a few days off from this. Next week should be exciting. Hope more fakes are found. I'll search again when I get back. Catch u all later...

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Guess Fawn is running out of lovy-dovy stuff to post, she is now printing out medical advice for everyone:

THIS POST is in no way condonning any lipo suction or any type of surgery or fat removal....

the PURPOSE of this post is to SHARE INFORMATION about the stomach and fat. I didnt write it, I am copying and pasting the article here in my journal. This Post is here for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY***




Anatomy of The Abdomen, and what Causes FAT and How we can change it!

(Basically avoid or reduce: sugar, starchy foods and a high glycemic Index)


Overall Topic: Anatomy of The Abdomen, Its Fat Layers and Underlying Muscles

Fat cells can expand enormously. Insulin is a huge culprit in fat storage. This means anything that can cause your insulin to spike. Candy and sugar aren't the only bad guys, bread, potatoes, carrots, corn anything which has a high glycemic index can increases fat storage. Excess of these items can cause excess fat.

America LIVES off of boxed and processed foods and lots of carbohydrates. Sugar, Sugar everywhere, equals a lot of fat. It not only increases your waistline is disrupts your hormones as well.

Although you most certainly don't need to know what the Obliquus externus abdominis and fascia of Scarpa are to have an abdominoplasty, here is a de_script_ion in simple terms so that you will know what muscles are responsible for what if you so choose.

Let's start with the skin.

I am going to talk about what is affected by the laxity of the tissues due to pregnancy, weight gain or age...after the skin has lost its ability to spring back from being all stretched out.

The Skin

Your skin is constantly replenishing itself. When you are younger your skin's turnover rate is about every 15-18 days. When you start approaching your mid-thirties the process slows down to as much as every 28 days.

The Epidermis is the upper most layer of the skin, where we shed our skin cells and reveal the newer cells that are produced in the basal layer (the bottom). Products purchased in the stores affect this layer only. So if you think that those miracle skin-firming creams are going to work - they're not. If skin is stretched out, and it hasn't bounced back yet, it's not going to. This is the exception of course if you have a significant fat layer and you haven't lost it or had it removed yet.

The Dermis is the next level down of the skin. This level contains oil glands, nerves, capillaries, your body's melanin (the cells that are responsible for your coloring and a tan) plus sweat glands that moderate your body's temperature. The dermis also contains your natural collagen and elastin in addition to your fat and water storage. Your collagen and elastin are responsible for that springiness that gives your skin its youthful vitality. Without this, your skin would feel like crepe paper and would almost split down the middle when you were pregnant or had excess weight. We tend to lose a lot of our elastin and collagen as we age, hence the skin-thinning and laxity that we hate so much.

Fat Fat Fat!

Many of us hate it, BUT we need it. It is essential to health and you would look harsh without it. However, many of us have more than we'd like so here we go...

Many female bodies hold excess fat in our thighs, buttocks, hips and stomach. Men seem to hold it in their abdomen and general waist area. Some of us even have excess visceral fat, which may give the appearance of a large pot-belly even after superficial liposuction or tummy tuck.

Men seem to also have *better* connective tissue as opposed to ours which betray us and fail to keep our superficial fat IN or unrestricted, creating cellulite.

_meta_bolism and Age:

Then to top that off, as we age our _meta_bolism slows. Resulting in stubborn pockets of fat in areas that we don't want and fat loss in areas we'd like to keep it. We work out like crazy, diet until we are skinny everywhere else BUT that target area we are trying to lose. We buy girdles, fat-creams, sessions of Endermologie, spend our lunch hour on stair climbers and still, it is stuck to us like glue. Well, thank goodness for liposuction and manual fat removal.

Fat removal is usually a very routine addition to tummy tuck surgery no matter your level of laxity.

What Is Fat?

Fat is called adipose tissue, singularly a fat cell being an adipocyte, this layer is very important. You may hate it and despise its effects on your thighs and abs but you need it!

There are primarily two types of fat...

White Fat is normal fat tissue that replaces brown fat in infants during the first year of life.

Brown fat is a mammalian heat-producing tissue occurring especially in human newborn infants -- called also brown adipose fat.

** Without a fat layer you would freeze to death, have no energy stores and have to eat constantly, your body would not function properly, you'd burn muscle tissue more often, and worse. But, we all have a little more fat than we'd like or need - so if you can't work it off, get it sucked out.

There are two layers of fat, actually THREE if you count the deepest, visceral fat, or omentum.

1. There is the normal, extra-abdominal fat layer, which is commonly removed in liposuction.
2. There is a more dense, superficial fatty tissue which is less commonly removed although patients with loose skin may benefit from superficial liposuction.
3. Last is the visceral layer, which shouldn't be touched. The visceral layer is the deepest area of fat (sometimes called intra-abdominal fat), which surrounds and covers the intestines and other lower body organs in the torso. It can be quite prominent in those who are obese, have typical apple-shaped body types due to diabetes and those who have HIV and are on Protease.

This protuberance which can be very pronounced is often referred to The Protease Paunch" It is thought that in male patients who have marked abdominal fat, the majority of this fat is omental. Proper diet and exercise is essential in regulating the amount of omental fat. However, hormonal disorders or fluctuations can have an effect as can some medications (such as Protease).

The Omentum aka Omenta aka Omental Fat:

Omental fat can become very distended, however it is still very dangerous to attempt liposuction of this area due to risk of puncturing or otherwise upsetting the lower digestive organs. The Omenta is very important and is not only an energy storage unit, it also protects, insulates and lubricates the organs to shield the delicate tissues from friction injury.

Most liposuction procedures target the extra-abdominal layer of fat and not the omentum.

The greater omentum is a thin and transparent membranous sac (also called the peritoneum) which houses enlarged adipocytes within its membranous pockets.

The smaller omentum lies between the stomach and liver and also contains adipose tissue. There are also other, smaller membranous sacs of adipose tissue throughout the viscera. . The omental fat can be excessive in persons with diabetes, severe obesity and in HIV patients who use protease inhibitors. Protease Inhibitors (Viracept®, Crixivan®, Norvir® and Invirase®) tend to disrupt fat distribution thought to cause the omenta to become more fatty (called sometimes The Protease Paunch or Crix-belly from use of Crixivan®) as well as the nape (back) of the neck (sometimes horribly called a Buffalo Hump).

However, some physicians believe this is not fat but dense scar tissue formation instead which causes the distended abdomen or Buffalo Hump. Oddly, when the protease inhibitors or cocktails of medications were ceased (or regimens altered), the weight gain and fatty deposits resolved. Cases which were analyzed showed that it was a dense form of fatty tissue, described as a cluster if benign lipomas rather than scar tissue or normal adipose tissue.

Incidentally "Buffalo Hump" syndrome removal through liposuction or surgical excision is an option. Whereas intra-abdominal (mesenteric) fat removal is very risky and very rarely performed. Some protease inhibitor-induces abnormal fat distribution is extra-abdominal (subcutaneous) and is easily removed with normal liposuction.

The Superficial Fat Layer is more dense and is tightly packed with nerves, and blood vessels. Considerable damage to any of the functional components of the skin can result in visible irregularities and discolorations, permanent irregularities. The superficial fat layer is also something that can cause cellulite to be more visible especially when contracting, tight bands of connective tissue squeeze portions of the fat cells and push them to the surfaces or contract parts of the fatty tissue away from it. Fat percentage and placement depends upon hormones such as insulin, testosterone and estrogen.

The one thing about fat is that once puberty is over - what fat you have is what fat you get forever.
Your fat cells only multiply if you reach 200% of your body weight. Which is a rare occurrence indeed.

******However, fat cells can expand enormously. Insulin is a huge culprit in fat storage. This means anything that can cause your insulin to spike. Candy and sugar aren't the only bad guys, bread, potatoes, carrots, corn anything which has a high glycemic index can increases fat storage. Excess of these items can cause excess fat. America LIVES off of boxed and processed foods and lots of carbohydrates. Sugar, Sugar everywhere, equals a lot of fat. It not only increases your waistline is disrupts your hormones as well.

FasciaFascia is what covers all of our muscles and most organs. It helps keep it's shape, protects it and pretty much keeps us in compact form as opposed to the shapeless jellyfish we would resemble. Fascia is very important!·

Superficial Fascia of the Abdomen is the thin layer of loose fatty connective tissue underlying the skin and binding it to the parts beneath. The fascia holds everything together and keeps everything compact and tight. When this becomes stretched out, it can create a permanent distended look even if your own muscles are toned. ·

Deep Fascia is a firm fascia that ensheathes and binds together muscles and other internal structures. The deep fascia also gets stretched out although it is more sturdy and is responsible for keeping your organs in. The muscles, superficial fascia and skin are what are normally tightened in abdominoplasty.

The Muscles of the Abdomen

There are certainly more muscles to the torso than the Obliquus externus, Obliquus internus, transversus and the Rectus abdominus - but they are the ones which matter most. They are responsible for the shape of the abdomen and are the chief muscles, which become stretched. However, it is the rectus abdominus muscle/fascia which suffers from diastasis (separation) after they are distended.

Rectus muscle/fascia plication is the tightening of stretched or weakened bodily tissues or channels by folding the excess in tucks and suturing; and second is the folding of one part on and the fastening of it to another along the linea alba.

Alba is a median vertical tendinous line on the abdomen formed of fibers from the aponeuroses of the two rectus abdominis muscles and extending from the xiphoid process to the pubic symphysis and is the main internal event in a full abdominoplasty and will restore a slimmer and flat stomach should you need repair.

The Rectus abdominis is a long, flat muscle which runs along the anterior (front) center of the abdomen. There are actually two parts (sides), held within a sheath of sorts of fascia and are separated by the linea alba. The rectus muscle attaches to the cartilages of the fifth, sixth, and seventh ribs which branch out from the bottom section of the sternum. This muscle and its sheath takes the brunt of the stretching that accompanies pregnancy and weight gain.

The linea alba is the line down the center, which you can see, in a well-toned abdomen. It is also the area, which can separate more due to the stretching. We will discuss the plication of this area soon. Cross-section of the sheath of the Rectus abdominus, linea alba, transversus and Obliquus abdominus (imagine yourself looking down at a cross-section of your tummy (without the organs, of course)

The Rectus is covered, or rather enclosed, in a sheath of connective tissue formed by the aponeuroses [: any of the broad flat sheets of dense fibrous collagenous connective tissue that cover, invest, and form the terminations and attachments of various muscles] of the Obliqui [: one that forms the outer layer of the lateral abdominal wall --called also external oblique, obliquus externus abdominis] and Transversus [: a flat muscle with transverse fibers that forms the innermost layer of the anterolateral wall of the abdomen and that acts to constrict the abdominal viscera and assist in expulsion of the contents of various abdominal organs (as in urination, defecation, vomiting, and parturition)] .

The abdominal muscles and skin become lax after this area is distended due to pregnancy and weight gain. Remember even if you have never been pregnancy or overweight, this area becomes lax with age.

With the addition of lax muscles and skin sometimes we are plaqued by thin white lines and deep purplish fissures in the skin called stretch marks! Not to mention an increase in the size of the breasts PRE-implants didn't help out.

Well that's about it, at least that's all we truly need to know to understand what the surgeon is going to do. If you'd like more info, ask your surgeon what he is specifically going to do in your own case..

References
The Muscles and Fasciæ of the Abdomen; Henry Gray (1821–1865). Anatomy of the Human Body. 1918Merriam_Webster Medical Dictionary

okay, shoot me. I'm not reading all that. LOL

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

okay, shoot me. I'm not reading all that. LOL

Me either, but it no doubt frosts TT's cookies that this info is provided here free of charge to anyone who wants to see it! Ya gotta love that!

[WildAngel6]

Did I read somewhere that Hector said that the after picture of Heidi in white is a "real" picture of Heidi? I'm really skeptical because in that picture Heidi doesn't have the gap in her front teeth that she has in her other picture (the black and white dress with Brandon). What do you all think?

The picture of Heidi in white is from the avatar that she used here on LCFs....

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/av...ine=1118251364



If that's a real picture, did she get her teeth fixed? Hmmm.... I guess I'll have to watch the videos again and see if she shows her teeth.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

I have a sign on my wall that says
"Housework Done Properly Can Kill You"

and there is a little rabbit laying flat on her back with XX for eyes holding a little flower in her paws. I love it!

I think mrsmenopausal is bragging again Let's see if I can top her chore list. This morning I vacuumed and washed the tile floors (about 2,000 sq.ft.) - the rest of the house is carpeted. I also pulled up all the throw carpets and washed them. Have the dinner in the oven and took out the garbage. Did two loads of wash and am now looking at the food coupons.

I think this is a great contest .... we can see who does the most chores every day....

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Did I read somewhere that Hector said that the after picture of Heidi in white is a "real" picture of Heidi? I'm really skeptical because in that picture Heidi doesn't have the gap in her front teeth that she has in her other picture (the black and white dress with Brandon). What do you all think?

The picture of Heidi in white is from the avatar that she used here on LCFs....

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/av...ine=1118251364



If that's a real picture, did she get her teeth fixed? Hmmm.... I guess I'll have to watch the videos again and see if she shows her teeth.

I think she pawned this fake picture off to her son as 'real' just like she's conned others. The womans a FAKE through and through.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Guess Fawn is running out of lovy-dovy stuff to post, she is now printing out medical advice for everyone:

Maybe someone can tell her she has the ability to simply post a link.

Although, why this "informational" long copy/paste is necessary...? I scratch my head two times. Doesn't Kimkins just whoosh away all that nasty fat?

The Princess

[JoSkids]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I think mrsmenopausal is bragging again Let's see if I can top her chore list. This morning I vacuumed and washed the tile floors (about 2,000 sq.ft.) - the rest of the house is carpeted. I also pulled up all the throw carpets and washed them. Have the dinner in the oven and took out the garbage. Did two loads of wash and am now looking at the food coupons.

I think this is a great contest .... we can see who does the most chores every day....

I would be so out of this contest before it ever began! My mom is coming to this week for a visit and I am putting of and putting of cleaning

[Jazlyn]

Here's a little interesting observation I have made.

It has taken me since Jan 1st of this year to lose about 40 lbs. Slowly but steadily (except for the 3 weeks I lost my mind and tried kimkins)

About 5 weeks ago I went in for a pre-op consultation to have a hysterectomy and bladder repair. A couple of days after that I went on vacation (all you could eat and drink free) and when I returned, I had the surgery. I didn't not stick to plan at all during this time, (my husband was doing the cooking) nor was I able to exercize.

Friday I just went on for my post-op check up. I weigh exactly the same as I did 5 weeks ago. Exactly!

Now, what do you think would have happened to someone on kimkins (even following the 800 calorie plan)? I'm thinking they would put on an enormous amount of weight.

So, people at kimkins...ready to eat 800 calories the rest of your life? Good luck with that one.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Did I read somewhere that Hector said that the after picture of Heidi in white is a "real" picture of Heidi? I'm really skeptical because in that picture Heidi doesn't have the gap in her front teeth that she has in her other picture (the black and white dress with Brandon). What do you all think?

The picture of Heidi in white is from the avatar that she used here on LCFs....

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/av...ine=1118251364



If that's a real picture, did she get her teeth fixed? Hmmm.... I guess I'll have to watch the videos again and see if she shows her teeth.

I posted about that a thread or two ago. YOu're not alone in seeing a huge dissimilarity. White-blouse gal is significantly cuter, has no gap (yeah, I noticed that), and has a lot of real hair, not wiggy-looking hair. Color me still skeptical. Maybe Heidi lied to Hector, too, saying that was her when she was young. I can believe she'd fib even to her husband.

If it is her, she was way less mean-looking and way prettier in her days of yore.

The Princess

[golite]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Good morning all....

If Dr Mark did see an add....where? The newspaper? Maybe someone ought to be checking out the newspaper web site (classified section)? But...I don't think it is true either, I think TT asked him. I do believe they are friends. Hope he sees the light soon. If he is a young guy trying to get his business off the ground, this could hurt it a lot, now and in the future.

That they are more than well acquainted, I believe is true. It would be great if someone could look through the archived ads from the papers there.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by jenna...

I think she pawned this fake picture off to her son as 'real' just like she's conned others. The womans a FAKE through and through.

I don't believe it for one minute that the young cute gal is Heidi..... No way. In the heavier pic - she has a gap between her two front teeth. Unless she had her teeth bonded

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I think mrsmenopausal is bragging again Let's see if I can top her chore list. This morning I vacuumed and washed the tile floors (about 2,000 sq.ft.) - the rest of the house is carpeted. I also pulled up all the throw carpets and washed them. Have the dinner in the oven and took out the garbage. Did two loads of wash and am now looking at the food coupons.

I think this is a great contest .... we can see who does the most chores every day....

Heh, heh. All righty, then.
Yesterday: add that I finished the dining room, vacuumed, dusted the furniture, washed the baseboards, the mirror, and washed the floor. Washed the floor in my son's room, and changed his bed sheets and blanket.
Today: I bleached the counter tops in the kitchen, washed down all the cabinets, did the DISHES again (lol), washed the fridge (outside of it), dusted the tongue and groove ceiling, scrubbed the stove top, vacuumed my curtains, polished the sideboard, washed the floor, put down the clean throw rugs, changed the dishtowels, cleaned the windowsills and the back door glass, washed the glass globes of the kitchen lights, made breakfast and lunch (haven't washed lunch dishes yet. lol), re-vacuumed the living room, sun room, and dining room (cat and dog hair is a daily battle), hung the washed shower curtains, changed the sheets on our bed, washed my daughter's bedroom floor, and I'm about to go food shopping. So *there! LMAO

[jenna...]

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