Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[robsrib]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

That sounds about right to me. The poor guy..I think he should be warned about the pending lawsuit..etc..

I think one person from here should send him an email inquiring if he is the KK Dr. and letting him know what the story behind the story is over there. I really think he deserves for us to pull back the reigns until he has been given a chance to respond. If he is aware of the "whole story" and decides to stay on there, shame, shame, shame. I just cannot imagine anyone, let alone a professional, who has a speaking tour and practice and seems sincere in his posts over there would put "it all" on the line to be associated with KK.

[Katinsac]

this one Honey?

Introducing Dr. Mark 11 Hours, 11 Minutes ago
We are very pleased to announce the addition of Dr. Mark!

Dr. Mark is a Holistic Physician specializing in pain and injury rehabilitation and human performance. His journey into fitness started as a semi professional triathlete competing in 20-30 races per year.

Struggling to turn pro, he sustained a knee injury which was destined to change the course of is life. Western medicine could not find a good answer for the pain. After finding his own “cure” he began a quest to understand the human body’s form and function so he could help others.

Education in personal training, massage therapy and physical medicine eventually culminated in graduation from a four year post-graduate program in Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Today he gives seminars internationally, sees patients 3 days a week and has come here to help us, the Kimkins Community.

Please welcome him to Kimkins!

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Okay, so we enter my area of expertise...

I work in higher education and have for the past 9 years.......
So, everything Dr. Mark says amounts to jack squat. So says me.

I'd like to add that, at least as of 8 years ago, a M.S. Biochemistry was enough to make both LSU and Tulane schools of medicine happy on my application - premed isn't a major at the schools I looked at, it's a concentration (minor) like prevet, predental, or at community college - pre nursing, etc.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by robsrib

I think one person from here should send him an email inquiring if he is the KK Dr. and letting him know what the story behind the story is over there. I really think he deserves for us to pull back the reigns until he has been given a chance to respond. If he is aware of the "whole story" and decides to stay on there, shame, shame, shame. I just cannot imagine anyone, let alone a professional, who has a speaking tour and practice and seems sincere in his posts over there would put "it all" on the line to be associated with KK.

Maybe KimATC / JustKim? She worked for Kimmer, left because of the scam and is also respected in her field with all the proper credentials. Kim?

Lou

[Katinsac]

Dr Mark seems to be very busy in the Health and Wellness Chat Forum

[rebel]

Ok, I'm way behind today. I don't know how to quote from the previous thread, but there was a discussion today about Heidiwhateverhernameisthisweek's Fitday. Somebody said that one day she posted calories of 116. I bet 116 calories fell off her plate on the way to the table!

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by robsrib

I think that TT or her husband is a patient of his and she shared her weight loss story with him and told about the website and how he could help people and (make some $) and he came onboard. Thus the reason they did some much cleaning up right before he arrived (well that and the Russian Bride Explosion). Based on the advice he's giving over there I really don't think he's clued in to the controversary. I hope someone will email him and make him aware of it. Right now until we know that he is anything but above board and sincerely wanting to help people trying to lose weight, I have sympathy for him.

I think it's possible and maybe even very likely Tippy and her husband know him and they may be his patients.

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

If this IS the same guy, I'd like to say that I feel sorry for him, but I just can't say it. If it is the same guy on the web site, he's had some education and probably worked hard for it. You just don't lend your name (even if it's only your FIRST name) to something without checking it out. A simple search for Kimkins gives him a lot of info. It's not like he really had to do much searching for it.

Either he searched and didn't believe what he read, or he didn't search at all - either way it makes him not very smart.

Yes, yes, yes! I've already said as much on another post, but no serious, INTELLIGENT professional will run the risk of becoming involved in anything without first checking things out! If it's an online enterprise, it takes 2 seconds to google Kimkins and from there you have lots to read.

He may be very sincere, and he may be well intentioned, but I personally think he's a big ol' doofus if he didn't check into this, and would NOT want him giving me health and medical advice.

[quiggley]

I live maybe 3 miles from that address and I have never seen it not saying it is not there but it has to be in a strip mall and very small. I may just have to take a drive by there tomorrow and take a picture of it.

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Okay, so we enter my area of expertise...

I work in higher education and have for the past 9 years..

First of all, according to the US Dept of Education, Florida Institue of Traditional Chinese Medicine is not accredited.

Any school not accredited by the US Department of Education's regional accreditation agencies will not be able to produce a degree that qualifies a student for a PCP (Primary Care Physician) license in any state in the United States.

Secondly, the accrediting body ACAOM (which is not part of the US Department of Education, meaning the schools that it does accredit are normally the kind that you see advertised on TV that offer a high school diploma, medical billing diploma, technical specialist diploma, etc) withdrew its accreditation of the Florida Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine back in 2002.

* Florida Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine
"Master of Chinese Medicine" program
St. Petersburg , FL 33709
Candidacy : 05/95 ; Accredited : 11/99
Last Review : Fall/02
IMPORTANT NOTICE: The Florida Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine's (FITCM) accreditation status was withdrawn effective November 18, 2002 . The school has entered into a "teach out" agreement with East West College of Natural Medicine ( Sarasota , FL ) where FITCM students are completing their training

So, everything Dr. Mark says amounts to jack squat. So says me.

[LISAinTN]

I read that someone has already left him a voicemail. I truly don't think that's a bad idea. If he doesn't know about this mess, he should. If I were him, I'd want to know. Look at how many of us got caught up in this whole Kimkins mess and didn't think. *raising my hand* For whatever reason, possibly TT is someone he trusts. Couple that with being shown a national magazine or two and maybe he just got sucked in like everyone else. If that's the case, should he have known better? Yes, but then so should have I when I was eating less then 300 calories per day.

[robsrib]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

If this IS the same guy, I'd like to say that I feel sorry for him, but I just can't say it. If it is the same guy on the web site, he's had some education and probably worked hard for it. You just don't lend your name (even if it's only your FIRST name) to something without checking it out. A simple search for Kimkins gives him a lot of info. It's not like he really had to do much searching for it.

Either he searched and didn't believe what he read, or he didn't search at all - either way it makes him not very smart.

How many people signed up for KK without doing research? They saw the glossy magazine article or the pretty website and gladly handed over their money. People even followed her from over here after seeing the way she berated and belittled fellow posters. If the link between the website and the Dr. is TT and she or her husband is a patient why would he question an invitation to help people? I am sure in person she doesn't present herself as the mean-spirited lunatic she is in her postings. Armed with her new found position and authority over there I bet she talked a good game. I honestly cannot say I would have doubted her especially if I had an established relationship with her.

[CarolynF]

I think if he already has been contacted, then let's not bombard him with stuff..Let's see how this plays out. I doubt if he was aware of the KK plan or anything but giving medical
advice online. This could expose him to the world..not a good thing, methinks.

[Katinsac]

well, in my opinion, if he was "that good", he'd be too busy to go on a website and answer questions....

[golite]

I think he should be asked/told by all means! If he's not part of it, why should he have to suffer for what Heidi does?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by LINC

Let's see, his home address has already been posted here, people are questioning his credentials and someone's already suggested contacting the APTA. That's just for starters. Now that we know his name, people are scouring the internet looking for dirt on him. All it takes is ONE person to send one convincing e-mail to the right person, and this guy's career could be over. That's how the medical world works. Yes, he may be part of the scam, but he could just as likely be a guy who just unknowingly put himself in the middle of a sh!!tstorm. You say he's not a target, but he is for, God knows how many, people here who are googling the crap out of his name right now.

Lou

Googling information and having an opinion is always a wise thing.....in my opinion .
But seriously I know we are discussing his information on here but that would not ruin his career and if he is not doing anything outside of his license rights he does not have anything to be concerned about with a licensing board.
Regarding the APTA I am not sure who recommended contacting them but if he is over qualifying himself and promoting himself as something he is not then it does need to be done. If I was a Physical Therapist I would be upset if someone was referring to themselves as one without the proper training, because that is misleading and lowers the overall image of PT if anyone can claim to be a physical therapist.
Open discussion and questions should only bring out the truth not harm his career and it definitely would not be more damaging than him not being notified and being featured on the news as being associated with a fraudulent website.

[dointhis4me]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

well, in my opinion, if he was "that good", he'd be too busy to go on a website and answer questions....

ITA!! I said in a previous post, I've worked for many Drs, none of them had time to sit and post in a online forum

[quiggley]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

The school is no longer in existence. Its accreditation was withdrawn on 11/18/2002 and the school was shut down, its students had to complete their programs at a rival institution.

I should have read further first well I guess I have no reason to drive down 66th street now LOL

[rebel]

[quote=Sheridan;9325474]I think it's possible and maybe even very likely Tippy and her husband know him and they may be his patients.

Boy, I need some rest. I thought this said they may be his parents.

[CarolynF]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

well, in my opinion, if he was "that good", he'd be too busy to go on a website and answer questions....

I was thinking the same thing..My chiro wouldn't have time to visit a website, especially at night..I hope he is getting paid the big bucks!! LOLOL

[jayed]

Originally Posted by robsrib

How many people signed up for KK without doing research? They saw the glossy magazine article or the pretty website and gladly handed over their money. People even followed her from over here after seeing the way she berated and belittled fellow posters. If the link between the website and the Dr. is TT and she or her husband is a patient why would he question an invitation to help people? I am sure in person she doesn't present herself as the mean-spirited lunatic she is in her postings. Armed with her new found position and authority over there I bet she talked a good game. I honestly cannot say I would have doubted her especially if I had an established relationship with her.

I agree. I'm starting to be sorry that I looked this up. I think we have a tendency to move too fast on things here.

[dointhis4me]

Good Night everyone

[quiggley]

I know Him he use to be the MT teacher at Remington College I had to take all My MT stuff from Him when I was getting my CMA. I do not know for sure I only know rumors but he was fired I was told for being too close to a few students.

Originally Posted by jayed

So I did a search of licensed acupuncturists in Florida. Of the active people, this guy's website seems to use a lot of the same phrases as kk's Dr. Mark.

MARK T. BRINSON DOM, CNMT - MANUAL MEDICINE Seminars and Treatments

There is only one other active acupuncturist that I could not eliminate.

ETA: assuming he's still in Florida

[LISAinTN]

[quote=rebel;9325500]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I think it's possible and maybe even very likely Tippy and her husband know him and they may be his patients.

Boy, I need some rest. I thought this said they may be his parents.

*snort*

I gotta hit it soon, too. My eyes are crossing. I'll bet I've lost several days worth of sleep since this whole mess started.

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

I was thinking the same thing..My chiro wouldn't have time to visit a website, especially at night..I hope he is getting paid the big bucks!! LOLOL

Mine would - she'd be one handing her lunch typing answers in an effort to help anyone she thought she could.. but then I already tell her people who give to much of themselves never receive the appreciation they deserve.

[golite]

Originally Posted by jayed

I agree. I'm starting to be sorry that I looked this up. I think we have a tendency to move too fast on things here.

Someone else would have looked anyway and still posted it.

The address is deleted (I got carried away, my bad) and I think Dangers is taking it slow now too, so if we all wait for the answer and don't bombard his office or home, I think it'll be alright.

I don't know who said anything about contacting the APTA, I didn't see that and I would hope no one would do that.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by robsrib

How many people signed up for KK without doing research? They saw the glossy magazine article or the pretty website and gladly handed over their money. People even followed her from over here after seeing the way she berated and belittled fellow posters. If the link between the website and the Dr. is TT and she or her husband is a patient why would he question an invitation to help people? I am sure in person she doesn't present herself as the mean-spirited lunatic she is in her postings. Armed with her new found position and authority over there I bet she talked a good game. I honestly cannot say I would have doubted her especially if I had an established relationship with her.

We don't really know if this is the same guy, and that's why I said "if". I do think though that it's a little different comparing the Kimkins followers to a physician (or whatever he is called). The followers aren't putting their professional reputations on the line. Maybe it's not the same guy, but it is SOMEONE, and whoever that someone is should have done some research about Kimkins before putting his name out there and thereby possibly lending credibility to something that so far hasn't been proven credible.