Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by JustKim

okay THAT freaked me out and I about pooped my pants

Same here - it's that blouse!!!!

[dointhis4me]

Originally Posted by sammymomma

Just saying hello and checking in

[sammymomma]

LOL
I had to wake everyone up

[sammymomma]

ok...i removed the kimmer pic...

[JustKim]

thanks Sammy. I personally appreciate that as I struggle just seeing "her" photo still

[marnaewilson]

I say watch out to whoever decides to make KimATC mad. It's been fun to see her passion when it comes to people's health and training. I love it! So nice to have you here, Kim.

[jlshields]

Originally Posted by CroweKitty

Thank you, SMP. You stated my thoughts exactly.

The tone on this thread about "us vs. them" sometimes gets out of hand. (By the way, the definition of "them" keeps changing based on the mood of the crowd...and probably whether they are PUI.) Step back and remember what this thread is -- an expose' on Heidi and Kimkins, her fraud and the dangers of her diet.

One of the biggest pros of this thread has been the influx of people from KK, and how they have been welcomed to the weight loss portions of this board in order to continue their journey. If you move this thread to the Playground (a totally inappropriate folder) or only allow "approved" members ("approved" by who???) then you cut off the thousands of people who will be looking for info on KK. This thread is here to tell them the dangers, the scam, that KK is. If you turn it into a "members only" club for the "in crowd", you will be missing out on a bigger, long-term benefit.

PS - There are a lot of lurkers who were affected by Heidi/Kimkins who don't post often but have very valid opinions. If we run them off this thread because we imply they have no right to say anything because they don't post very often, what does that say about us?

Ditto.

Originally Posted by dointhis4me

She better be careful with those Fatties! She'll get the munchies and undo all her hard work

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Don't go away. Post! I'm very aware that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes and that aren't posted on the board. All the hard work done by everyone is very appreciated. Keep posting and you'll soon be able to PM.

ditto again

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

I say watch out to whoever decides to make KimATC mad. It's been fun to see her passion when it comes to people's health and training. I love it! So nice to have you here, Kim.

thanks and like I said yesterday I take this personally. I never saw the "PBTP" stuff, etc etc as I was in basically one forum. But I will be danged if I am going to let supposed experts dispense some poop to people I care about there, here, wherever. Organ my *ss

[lisabinil]

I thought lowfat diets cause gallbladder problems. Dr. Mark is saying the opposite.

Re:Gall Bladder question 3 Hours, 43 Minutes ago
GB - keep it if you can. Sorry if it is already out.


The truth about the GB.

The GB is mearly a storage sac for bile. I has a small duct that opens to the first part of the intestines after the stomach.

Bile is a substance produced by the Liver that emulisifies fat. (dawn dish washing liquid takes grease out of your way)

FAT TY foods leave the stomach and it gets the message to send out a squirt...bigger the fat...bigger the squirt.

Emulisification breaks up the fat into very small particals which the small intestine can easily digest.

When the gall bladder is removed, the "in tube" is connected to the "out tube" and now you have a slow drip of bile constantly as produced.


WHAT THE HOSPITAL DOESNT TELL YOU THAT I COULD SHOOT THEM FOR.

After this surgery you will never _meta_bolize large quantities of fat well. You have to change your diet or indigestion and loose stool will follow every high fat meal. Your GB can no longer "squirt" for those larger quantities.

GBs don't get screwed up from too litte use, rather too much. Glands - all glands for the most part, like to hang out full until called upon (they are quite lazy) and when worked, they just like to work for a little while, then fill back up and go to sleep.


Lower fat diet (that fits here) and digestive enzymes with fatty foods will help.


Dr. Mark"

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

I thought lowfat diets cause gallbladder problems. Dr. Mark is saying the opposite.

Re:Gall Bladder question 3 Hours, 43 Minutes ago
GB - keep it if you can. Sorry if it is already out.


The truth about the GB.

The GB is mearly a storage sac for bile. I has a small duct that opens to the first part of the intestines after the stomach.

Bile is a substance produced by the Liver that emulisifies fat. (dawn dish washing liquid takes grease out of your way)

FAT TY foods leave the stomach and it gets the message to send out a squirt...bigger the fat...bigger the squirt.

Emulisification breaks up the fat into very small particals which the small intestine can easily digest.

When the gall bladder is removed, the "in tube" is connected to the "out tube" and now you have a slow drip of bile constantly as produced.


WHAT THE HOSPITAL DOESNT TELL YOU THAT I COULD SHOOT THEM FOR.

After this surgery you will never _meta_bolize large quantities of fat well. You have to change your diet or indigestion and loose stool will follow every high fat meal. Your GB can no longer "squirt" for those larger quantities.

GBs don't get screwed up from too litte use, rather too much. Glands - all glands for the most part, like to hang out full until called upon (they are quite lazy) and when worked, they just like to work for a little while, then fill back up and go to sleep.


Lower fat diet (that fits here) and digestive enzymes with fatty foods will help.


Dr. Mark"

I'm sorry. I had to step away for a while so I could catch up on some things around the house. Who is Dr. Mark? Is this supposedly who took over the site? I'm asking because the bolded, red statement sure sounds like something "Kimmer" would say. I'm sorry for not going back and reading to find out for myself.

[Michalle]

Originally Posted by GypsyVisions

http://www.thefreshscent.com/wp-cont...mall_joint.jpg


For those that don't know what a "fatty" is.....

I didn't know until the person that posted it said what is was!!!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Goodnight Mrs.M

BTW- I just wanted to comment too on the fact that a member here, Darlene41, has been searching her heart out for the remaining people up on the success story list. She has went through 15 different sites trying to find the ones remaining.

Everyone has worked hard but I wanted to say thanks to Darlene because she didn't post her information here and I wanted y'all to know as well.
Great job Darlene and thank you!

I thank you also, Darlene. Although I'm a newbie as far as how many posts I have made, I have read this thread completely and have also spent a lot of time looking for Russian brides, with no luck, unfortunately. BUT -- I still put in the effort, even though success escaped me. I'm sure there are many others like me, who are keeping up with this whole drama but do not post frequently. I hope you all realize that some of us sit on the sidelines as far as posting, but are still following all of this. Many times I've wanted to post, but really hadn't found anything new that could be contributed and didn't want to post just to be posting. Even so, the past 2 months have required an awful lot of hours online to try and keep up.

I just want to say to all those of you who *were* successful at finding info, kudos to you and your very hard work. You should be very proud of what you have done and will continue to do.

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

I thought lowfat diets cause gallbladder problems. Dr. Mark is saying the opposite.

Re:Gall Bladder question 3 Hours, 43 Minutes ago
GB - keep it if you can. Sorry if it is already out.


The truth about the GB.

The GB is mearly a storage sac for bile. I has a small duct that opens to the first part of the intestines after the stomach.

Bile is a substance produced by the Liver that emulisifies fat. (dawn dish washing liquid takes grease out of your way)

FAT TY foods leave the stomach and it gets the message to send out a squirt...bigger the fat...bigger the squirt.

Emulisification breaks up the fat into very small particals which the small intestine can easily digest.

When the gall bladder is removed, the "in tube" is connected to the "out tube" and now you have a slow drip of bile constantly as produced.


WHAT THE HOSPITAL DOESNT TELL YOU THAT I COULD SHOOT THEM FOR.

After this surgery you will never _meta_bolize large quantities of fat well. You have to change your diet or indigestion and loose stool will follow every high fat meal. Your GB can no longer "squirt" for those larger quantities.

GBs don't get screwed up from too litte use, rather too much. Glands - all glands for the most part, like to hang out full until called upon (they are quite lazy) and when worked, they just like to work for a little while, then fill back up and go to sleep.


Lower fat diet (that fits here) and digestive enzymes with fatty foods will help.


Dr. Mark"

I had my gall bladder out years ago (um... about 8-10 years ago maybe? Sorry, I've lost track), and guess what? I can digest lots and lots of fats with no problem! It was iffy for a while there, maybe the first year or so, until I my body adjusted, but nowadays, no problem.

And someone who knows something about anatomy please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the gall bladder an organ, not a gland? Where did this guy go to medical school?! Oh yeah, that's right, he *didn't* go to medical school.

[popo]

*** out of lurkdom***

I am one of those folks out there that has followed this thread since part 1- my first post was on part 1 after leaving KK. I am just not a big poster. Please do not change who can view this thread.

ok - before I go back to lurkdom I just have to say TT is really starting to make me mad when she posts about people who abused the diet and took their calories too low. Gee Tippy you think this may have been due to the fact that when you were told to look at fitdays of the people losing huge amounts of weight ( before they all left) they were under 500 calories ?

Or maybe it was Kimmer saying :

"Well meaning folks sometimes delude themselves into thinking they need that tired "1200 calorie minimum" to avoid starvation mode when dieting.

Of course this is ridiculous.

If you have excess body fat you've got literally thousands of calories of "food" waiting to be used. Want a number? Figure your body fat in pounds, multiply by 3500 and that's how much "food" you've got on hand.

Let's say 50 lbs to lose, x 3500 = 175,000 "food" calories just hanging there. Does the huge number make you whoozy?


When people "Ask Kimmer" about very low calorie diets, they usually wonder if their bodies will "stop losing" due to starvation mode. Absolutely not. Why? Because your body will always need more than 500-1000 calories to sustain whatever weight you're at.

As an example, let's use a 5'4", 250 lb woman who had gastric surgery for weight loss. Her doctor has prescribed 500 calories a day and since she's sedentary we'll use a 10X metabolism multiplier. 500 and 10X were picked to make the math easier:


Weigh 250: need 2500 cal, eat 500 + 2000 cal from body fat
Weigh 200: need 2000 cal, eat 500 + 1500 cal from body fat
Weigh 150: need 1500 cal, eat 500 + 1000 cal from body fat
Weigh 125: need 1250 cal, eat 500 + 750 cal from body fat
Since traditional diets require a 3500 calorie deficit to lose 1 pound, you see you'll reach that number a lot faster with a 1500 calorie deficit compared to goal weight with only a 750 calorie deficit. "


One last thing for any of the "real" admins over at KK ( not the admin named ADMIN) - you know you were eating this way as well. I have looked at your journals and fitdays. You may try to doctor it up now but be honest with yourself - you ate this way because Kimmer said it was safe and maintainable- don't blame it on us.

Ok - back to lurkdom.

[JeriRat]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I have been a member of several very closely vetted and tightly secured forums over the years. Without fail, each one of them has suffered a breech. If you don't want something posted on the internet, DON'T POST IT ON THE INTERNET, PERIOD.

The problem also compounds itself because not only do you have information leaked to the "outside", but it creates an incredibly horrible environment of paranoia and distrust amongst the members. I would very much hate to see that happen here!

I can add a big fat ditto to this. Plus this one way that board wars start.

[Rose1271]

Originally Posted by sammymomma

ok...i removed the kimmer pic...

AWWWW....missed it! That's ok. Now that I know what it was, I'll pass....

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

And someone who knows something about anatomy please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the gall bladder an organ, not a gland? Where did this guy go to medical school?! Oh yeah, that's right, he *didn't* go to medical school.

Yes the gallbladder is an ORGAN
the thyroid is a GLAND

and No, "Dr" Mark they are NOT interchangeable terms!

Gallbladder

(Science: anatomy) a digestive organ which stores bile (produced in the liver), used in the digestion and absorption of fats in the duodenum. a muscular sac attached to the liver that secretes bile and stores it until needed for digestion.

thyroid

A butterfly-shaped endocrine gland in the neck that is found on both sides of the trachea (windpipe). It secretes the hormone thyroxine which controls the rate of metabolism.



Retrieved from "http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Gallbladder"

[Mayberryfan]

Honeybee said:

Great letter, straight to the point, easy to read and short. Perfect in hitting the highlights.

Thanks, Honey!

Guess I haven't lost my old journalistic mojo, eh? (Was in the news biz for 15 years - I don't recommend it to anyone who has ethics and wants to have a life outside of their career!)

Btw - I have been hunting and hunting on mail-order bride sites for Danielle Hauck the admin(ion) whose picture mysteriously changed to a completely different person. But, NO luck. I guess we don't really need more evidence against old Hidey-kins anyway, do we?!

Haven't heard yet from the blogger I sent the anti-KK's email to last night. Something about the addy seemed real, tho. It could be a Hidey-decoy tho, too.

Funny thing about those decoys. Sometimes they look just like DUCKS.

[Tea Cozy]

Dr Mark is an idiot. He's going to hurt someone.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

I had my gall bladder out years ago (um... about 8-10 years ago maybe? Sorry, I've lost track), and guess what? I can digest lots and lots of fats with no problem! It was iffy for a while there, maybe the first year or so, until I my body adjusted, but nowadays, no problem.

And someone who knows something about anatomy please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the gall bladder an organ, not a gland? Where did this guy go to medical school?! Oh yeah, that's right, he *didn't* go to medical school.

Yep, it's an organ. I don't have any problems digesting fat, and I've had my gallbladder removed as well. (I had stones due to being on a vLCD like Kimkins).

I also learned in my actual, factual, Anatomy and Physiology class in college that after removal of the gallbladder a bile duct enlarges and compensates for the lost gallbladder by storing bile. So *raspberries* to the "doctor." Quack.

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by JustKim

Yes the gallbladder is an ORGAN
the thyroid is a GLAND

and No, "Dr" Mark they are NOT interchangeable terms!

Nope, they're not. But assuming Wikipedia is accurate, it looks like they're related: GLAND is a SUBSET of ORGAN. So not interchangeable, but maybe easily confuseable?

However, it's okay if **I** am confused (not a doctor or healthcare practitioner in any way). However, one would hope someone calling him- or herself a "primary care physician" would understand the difference.

Organ:

In biology, an organ (Latin: organum, "instrument, tool") is a group of tissues that perform a specific function or group of functions.

Gland:

A gland is an organ in an animal's body that synthesizes a substance for release such as hormones, often into the bloodstream (endocrine gland) or into cavities inside the body or its outer surface (exocrine gland).

Gall bladder:

The gallbladder (or cholecyst, sometimes gall bladder) is a pear-shaped organ

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Dottie

That's on regular diet plans Tooter! Not on better than gastric bypass ones. If you go 5 minutes without losing 4oz, you're stalled dontchaknow?

BTW I am not making fun of the lady who thinks she is stalled after 2 days, just the way the plan is promoted that makes people think that you can *stall* after just 2 days of non-loss.

OMG! I CANNOT believe that these people are torturing themselves to begin with, but then hammering on themselves that they are not losing every single day! How sad! I feel for them all.