Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by dantesmom

SHes basically saying she saw the russian stuff and doesnt know what to think about it. She figures it was used to boost sales. She points out that some photos such as CHristins were true. SHe doesnt deny that the site has helped her though. SHe has no idea who kimmer is and never has. So, shes asking for everyone to exchange emails in case the site disappears. She urges them all not to leave the diet even if kimkins disapears. Because only they can take care of themselves.


ETA thats just a basic overview. Iam curious as to where this lady is from does anyone know?

Thank you for the translation. I have not seen anyone post where this member is located. Sorry.

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by katOD

WAIT hold the phone!!!
They have an admin, giving advice and support there who weighs over 400lbs???? exactly what qualifies this person to dispense diet advice???

I have to say: the same thing that gives the people here and at every other weight loss support site the right to. Sorry, but sometimes it's the people who struggle themselves that do the 'research'.

[susique333]

I read everything posted but being 50+ years old...I easily forget things so bear with me. Is someone compiling all of this important information as it comes in, so it can be handed over to the proper authorities when the time comes? This whole KK scam has more twists and turns than any other heist Ive seen!

Originally Posted by mirmir3

I actually had to register so that I could add my 2Cents ...
I can understand the FL MT association not requiring FL licensure to teach. That is relatively common, as many professional programs will draw in instructors or seminars from other states. Usually the instructor needs to be licensed somewhere though, I have never heard of a completely unlic. person being able to teach a seminar that qualifies for continuing education credits.

That said, this Mark Brinson is violating a whole heap of laws. This is on his website:
Licensed as an Acupuncture Physician by the Florida Department of Health.
Dr. Brinson is considered as a Primary Care Physcian. His license covers a broad range of
therapies and testing. Included are all Manual Medicine and Physical Medicine modalities from
Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Physical Therapy, and Massage therapy. Additionally, all testing and
imaging (xray, mri, ct scan, bloodwork etc), injections, nutrition and addiction counseling as well as
the recomendation of over the counter medications is included.

.

For one thing, he is most certainly not a primary care physician. The US Dept. of Labor and/or the US Dept. of Education only recognize 3 types of providers as primary care physicians: MD's, DO's, and DC's. The fact that Dr MarkyMark claims on his website that he uses chiropractic and osteopathic manipulation, is a direct violation of state law, in fact, if he were reported to the medical board, he could be charged with practicing medicine and practicing chiropratic without a license. He could also be charged with performing physical therapy without a license. As a chiropractor, I am unaware that his license allows him to perform radiographic studies, ct scans, mri's, perform injections, etc.

Either this guy is a complete wackjob, or someone has highjacked his identity to continue the KK hoax.

If I advertised half of the things that this fellow has written on his website, I'd lose my license by the end the the day.

[marnaewilson]

I find it interesting that all the anti-kimmer blogs have gone silent. What's up? It reminds me of the wink think that happened a couple of weeks ago. Are they waiting for something? And then Christin's post a couple of minutes ago tells me that things are still in the works. We just don't know what's being done.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by rhundt67

VERY expensive but worth every penny to get my life back.

Initial consultation $250.00 (they spent over 2 hours with me about every detail of my health though) and I got that for free since I was referred.

Each treatment is $75.00 and each re-evaluation (once every 8 treatments) is $85.00.

I do think acupuncture does have its benefits and for you it definitely sounds like it totally changed your health outcome for the positive.
However, like in any profession not all are created equal and at this point Dr. Mark does not impress me with his overall grasp of medical knowledge. This is not to discredit all acupuncturists or the practice but it does to display to me his lack of qualifications to do the counseling he is doing on kimkins.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Someone who wised up in time and who's doc said to up calories to 1200...

"Re:"Shake It UP to Shake It DOWN" Holiday Challeng 15 Hours, 5 Minutes ago
Lady Shamrock,
Thank you so much for the prayers and concern. I foolishly did start this diet last year when it was too soon for me to begin and I also foolishly dropped my calories too low. I was ecstatic that the weight was coming offf so quickly for the first time in my life and I think I pushed it too far. My oncologist asked what I was eating to lose weight. Naturally when I said lean proteins and veggies, she was happy. She asked how low calorie I ate. I told her some days I went 600-800; she said I should try to stay around 1200. At first, I really balked at that and thought to myself that she just didn't know about nutrition. I did end up in the emergency room with very rapid pulse and dizziness, but I never connected it to the diet and neither did my doctors. However, I feel so much better eating more calories and fat. But I don't feel better weighing almost 30 lb more than I did a few months ago. I really do think Kimkins was an answer to prayer, but that I pushed it too far. Now I am wiser, right? This time when I shake it up, I won't go too far down in calories. I honestly find that I lose the same whether I do 1200 calories or 600 (at least for a while), and it's so much easier with 1200. I try to keep my carbs low (around 20 and that's a lot of coffee), my protein around 60, and my fats vary considerably. Sometimes I keep them at 70% of my calories and sometimes I do low levels. Right now, as I'm trying to get back in ketosis, I'm eating lots of healthy fats. As I said before on this thread, or I think I did anyway, I'd also rather be a few pounds heavier or lose slower in order to have the energy to exercise. I am working on it..."

GOOD!!

Originally Posted by Dottie

o <--- actual portion size allowed lol

Originally Posted by TerryC

Hi kim - you mentioned Ohio and Kentucky - that made me think of three years ago I was there for my brother's funeral, he was a jockey killed in a race accident at Turfway Park. Not to be sad, but I thought of him when you said that and wondered if maybe you had heard about it back then.

I"m sorry about your brother.

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

IMHO I truly believe there is a lot of activity going on behind the scene to bring her down .... many people doing lots of work. We just have to be patient!

I think so, too.

[HoneyBee2]

Over at the Kimpound-

Kimmer question

I have a question that maybe has been answered already. I know there was a e-mail that said Kimmer sold the group. I also know that it has not been told who owns the group. The afternoon before the group was sold there was a post from Kimmer saying..she would be here to answer questions and that she did not know people wanted to hear what she had to say ( something like that...it was a nice thread and Kimmer seemed to be happy that so many people wanted her to answer questions). then we got the e-mail and I have not seen nor heard anything at all from Kimmer. Is kimmer gone for good? Is she not going to answer questions about her own diet plan? I guess I just assumed that she would still be around to see how her "people" were doing. LOL. Did she just up and dessert us on HER plan on HER group?
I think the admins have been great at answering questions. I would like if we could update a list of admins so we have a current list of who is in charge.
I think it is great you are adding Dr. Mark and the fitness person. But can we get their names so we know who is giving us this advice.
I hope everyone is having a great day

[rhundt67]

Originally Posted by JustKim

and let's throw a little graves disease in there for good measure!

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING KIM!

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

I feel sorry for his gain but should Tarvosk be an Admin giving out eating advice? snip...

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OMG I read that wrong wrong and thought you said I feel sorry for his pain

and I immediately thought rut roh, {K} must have whipped poor tarvosk too hard!




sorry still just waking up over here, *rubs eyes* *shuffles off to make coffee*

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Over at the Kimpound-

I bet this person gets banned for this.

[conbofan9]

Dr Mark wrote:

Quote:
Hypothyroidism usually carries with it a host of other symptoms.
With cold all the time and unexplained rapid weight loss you should get things checked out.
Another key symptom is bulging of the eyes......the list can go on and on.

One important thing to tell your physician when you get any lab work done is that you are on a restrictive diet.
Once you have lost the weight and get on a maintanence program you body will have a little "settling out" to do. Remember, for some of you, you were carrying and extra PERSON around almost. All of your organs had to work twice as hard. Now they are learning to adjust to the new you.
Hopefully you can all find a physician that has an open mind and can work with you to achieve you goal of HEALTH, WELLNESS and weight!



Um, can someone tell this idiot that those are symptoms of HYPERthyrodisim...when it works TOO FAST!!!!! Hypothyroidism is the opposite...you GAIN weight, you are tired and most times are either hot or cold! trust me, those little white pills i swallow every day are for a SLOW thyroid=hypo....losing weight fast and buldging eyes are FAST=hyper!!

man this guy is a real quack!!

[susique333]

Dr. Mark Wrote: Hypothyroidism usually carries with it a host of other symptoms.
With cold all the time and unexplained rapid weight loss you should get things checked out. Another key symptom is bulging of the eyes......the list can go on and on.

HYPO thyroidism

Fatigue
Depression
Modest weight gain
Cold intolerance
Excessive sleepiness
Dry, coarse hair
Constipation
Dry skin
Muscle cramps
Increased cholesterol levels
Decreased concentration
Vague aches and pains
Swelling of the legs

HYPER thyroidism
Palpitations
Heat intolerance
Nervousness
Insomnia
Breathlessness
Increased bowel movements
Light or absent menstrual periods
Fatigue
Fast heart rate
Trembling hands
Weight loss
Muscle weakness
Warm moist skin
Hair loss
Staring gaze bulging eyes

Dr. got his disease all mixed up. I wouldnt send my dog to him!

[katOD]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Got through to someone last night


Re:First 20/20 weight loss challenge 13 Hours, 31 Minutes ago
SIDE EFFECTS OF A VERY LOW CALORIE DIET
“The risk of gallbladder disease is greatly increased for individuals following a VLCD. [2]A slowing of one's __meta__bolism can occur as your body adapts so the brain and central nervous system, as well as other bodily systems, will cease to work efficiently.The body will break down fat, but it will also break down muscle and other lean body tissue which can be very dangerous.An imbalance in minerals and electrolytes can occur. Osteoporosis can be another danger, especially for women as can anaemia (a lack of iron in the blood). If taken to extremes, women can find that menstruation (periods) becomes irregular or stops altogether. A lack of serotonin in the brain can lead to clinical depression. The lack of essential nutrients on a very low calorie diet leads to a deterioration in the condition of hair and nails.Another potential side effect is constipation (depends on the fibre content of the diet).[3]”


I quoted this from a post this evening so that I could capture it, and let us see what is being dropped in on us and what I have to say about the content.

I know there has been stuff going on, and I don't take the time to go searching for trouble, but I have some things to point out........"


Her friends answer
Re:First 20/20 weight loss challenge 12 Hours, 55 Minutes ago
Point 1...gallbladder disease
Even nutrisystem has been accused of causing gallbladder disease. It isn't just low carb diets that cause gallbladder disease and in nutrisystem's case, I've read (and was there through it at the time) that it wasn't the actual diet, it was the returning to unhealthy eating, or binging during, the diet that made the gallbladder try to excrete more bile after not needing very much, that caused gallstones to try to excrete along with the bile. I always learnred that gallstones aren't a problem until they try to come through the bile duct....so ladies.... think about that one when you are pondering that whole cherry pie with a quart of ice cream. Diets are blamed all the time for things that are a person's own responsibility.

Point 2...people need to eat enough...BUT what is enough?! there is a lot of research coming out about the benefits of eating low calorie diets, and my idea is...if you feel like crap, eat something!

Point 3...If you are eating protein throughout the day, eating veggies, and taking vitamins, how can you be breaking down muscle? this is a genuine question! i want to know! So the person eating only meat and potatoes is causing what to happen....well...besides getting fat, I mean....

Point 4...vitamin and mineral definciencies and resulting conditions: that's what your vitamin and supplements are for...and doctor checkups.....and some common sense!...if you feel like crap, eat something (NOT that @#%@!! cupcake!!!!)

Point 5...my hair and nails are going great guns, thank you very much! I have never trimmed them so often!

Point 6...constipation......eat your veggies....eat your veggies...drink some water.....take a walk (or have some sex)......presto

Point 7..."Kimmer" fraud or not ... I have to admit that I paid my money in good faith because of publicity about KK in a popular magazine. I took my chances , understanding the risks of doing business on the internet, and found a great group of ladies. I will repeat that this is not a way of life for everyone, I truly believe it, but I am one that reduced carbs benefits. I do not intend to be carbless forever. But I will not go back to a hostess twinkie way of life!
Any one of the above points 1-6 can occur for anyone, with any diet. I've read that one of the most malnourished groups on earth are fat people! I hate to sound like a broken record, but IF YOU FEEL LIKE CRAP, EAT SOMETHING! NOT that bowl of sugar pops! jeez!
As for loyalty to "kimmer" or whoever, well, I think that I am quite indifferent to "kimmer" but if any of you need me for anything, you know where to email me!
And PLEASE!!!!!!.....
If you are SICK or do not feel well, talk to your doctor, NOT some unknown person in a forum! We have plenty of ideas about plenty of things, but please take care of yourselves.

xoxoxoxoxoxo Mary"

And yet only one person countered with a response to the VLCD issues, everyone else was like "oh but low carb is the way to go" no one is saying low carb is bad, for cripes sakes!!!

[froleena]

Originally Posted by SMP

Are we losing our focus here? Originally we were trying to stop Heidi and Kimkins. I think we've done both, although we're still awaiting final proof. Heidi is gone, and Kimkins is a gutted shell of her diet, with only the name remaining. It probably will change as well in the near future.
I know the chase was exciting and ...ok, fascinating. It swallowed up my summer and is devouring my autumn. But I'm really concerned that we might become known as the LCF Vigilantes, who will go after and hunt down ex-mates (not friends, Serenity!) in order to milk them for juicy details that often have little to do with the problem at hand. I say leave Mark's and Tippy's ex's alone. In her favor, Tippy HAS lost a massive amount of weight, she has appeared as her fatter self and her slimmer self in public. She has bragged up and down the boards with verifiable weight loss, no matter what plans she used. I have learned to dislike Tippy through her own snarky words, but at least she's not a fraud. Liar maybe, she definitely has a poor memory and poor spelling skills. So I congratulate you girls on your bloodhound instincts and the common cause that brought us all together in united sisterhood. We learned so much, laughed and were stunned by so many posts. But I think it's time to call a halt on the searching for new dragons to slay, because innocent people can get hurt. That's just how I feel.

Sorry fellas, don't get all bent out of shape. I know you've popped in as well, but overwhelmingly this has been a girl Friday effort.

Who said "it ain't over until the fat lady sings"? I agree with this sentiment. It's over when Heidi is in court and the people wanting refunds get them.
I do think Tippy's ex and "DR." Mark's ex should be left alone though.

[Diana]

It's still Kimmer/Heidis.... All the Web info still points to her...

[rhundt67]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I do think acupuncture does have its benefits and for you it definitely sounds like it totally changed your health outcome for the positive.
However, like in any profession not all are created equal and at this point Dr. Mark does not impress me with his overall grasp of medical knowledge. This is not to discredit all acupuncturists or the practice but it does to display to me his lack of qualifications to do the counseling he is doing on kimkins.

He DEFINITELY sounds like a fraud himself! I posted later saying that my legitimate acupuncturists would NEVER give general health information since acupuncture is based on individual needs that are fully assessed. I think when I tell them Thursday about this stuff, she (I won't see the other that day) that she'll be quite concerned since this can affect those that are truly educated and dedicated to helping those who need = ME!

[HoneyBee2]

From the kimpound-

I have a question that maybe has been answered already. I know there was a e-mail that said Kimmer sold the group. I also know that it has not been told who owns the group. The afternoon before the group was sold there was a post from Kimmer saying..she would be here to answer questions and that she did not know people wanted to hear what she had to say ( something like that...it was a nice thread and Kimmer seemed to be happy that so many people wanted her to answer questions). then we got the e-mail and I have not seen nor heard anything at all from Kimmer. Is kimmer gone for good? Is she not going to answer questions about her own diet plan? I guess I just assumed that she would still be around to see how her "people" were doing. LOL
I think the admins have been great at answering questions. I would like if we could update a list of admins so we have a current list of who is in charge.
I think it is great you are adding Dr. Mark and the fitness person. But can we get their names so we know who is giving us this advice.
I hope everyone is having a great day.

[Mayberryfan]

Happy Hump Day all!

Here is a list of the advertisers for the Woman's World Magazine that featured KK's on the cover. A couple of these were contests that are no longer going on (ford and passions) but the parent companies may still be interested to know they're dealing with a dis-reputable rag of a mag!

Also, I just wrote a negative review of WW on Epinions yesterday and got 7 reviews (all positive) by this morning. I know that's a very small ripple in the whole scheme of things, but it's something. Word of mouth, even cyber-mouth, can have an impact.

I hope everyone here will create a mass email to all these advertisers briefly explaining the situation and providing links to the KTLA stories, etc. so they can check for themselves. We should also cc WW on the emails at:

John Keane
Executive Director,
Strategic Marketing
johnkeane@baueradsales.com

Steve Weredyk
Executive Director,
Creative Services
steveweredyk@baueradsales.com

Greg Slattery
Group Publisher
Women's Group
gregslattery@baueradsales.com




Woman’s World advertisers

• Medifast - Medifastdiet.com
• MDProducts.com
• redcooper.com
• fashionablefabrics.com
• teakwickerandmore.com
• xenna.com
• snacktrap.com
• cellclix.com
• romeoshops.com
• julietshops.com
• jtv.com
• fordroadtokona.com (ford motor company)
• entenmanns.com
• seashells.com
• plumparty.com
• ballarddesigns.com
• wrapables.com
• hayhouseradio.com
• nanoSLIM
• winstoncompany.com (odor cide)
• americanhiking.org
• wellconnected.com
• outerbanks.org
• nutrisystem
• nbc.com (daytime drama Passions)

[susique333]

Did this one quote totally creep you gals out like it did me? I know the one thing I dont want is SEX if Im constipated....! I dont even want to KNOW what she is inferring to. FTH???

Quote:Point 6...constipation......eat your veggies....eat your veggies...drink some water.....take a walk (or have some sex)......presto

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by gibster

gibster wrote:


b]WhiteLexus wrote:[/b]



Dr Mark wrote:Dr Mark wrote:

Quote:
Hypothyroidism usually carries with it a host of other symptoms.
With cold all the time and unexplained rapid weight loss you should get things checked out.
Another key symptom is bulging of the eyes......


Well, I guess the Doc knows best, huh? As long as you only have one symptom...........

ummm isnt that HYPERthyroidiam??????

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by golite

No we haven't found that one yet.

The sites are in the blogs, Blogs next to User Control Panel up there.

Just in case I didn't say so before

Why thank you! Pleased to meet everyone.

[conbofan9]

Originally Posted