Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[HoneyBee2]

From The Kimpound:

Dr. Mark,
I live in Florida. I travel quite a bit due to my son's medical issues. I would love to know what clinic or office you work in. I think it would be wonderful to have the opportunity to have a appt with someone who seems to know and understand the Kimkins diet plan.
Looking forward to your contact info. Also do you take insurance?

[MJR]

Dr. Mark - About Constipation 7 Minutes ago
I'm asking Finlee's question that she asked on the hair thread. Many people seem to complain about constipation. Kimmer suggested to take 1 full dosage of like Milk of Magnesia or other laxative and then a 25-50% dose every day after that to keep things moving. Some say that's not a good idea but Kimmer said it was worse to keep the trash inside. Some members went to their doctors who prescribed strong laxatives. What's your take? If you agree with mild laxatives what do you recommend and does it matter for men or women differently?
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[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by missis36

Man I knew this was gonna blow up into a whole bunch of you should/shouldn't do this or that so I completely didn't post on it....but now I have to.

1. Kim said someone should contact them if in fact he was stating that he is a PT I believe, because he is misdirecting people, which last I checked would be against the license he has. Hence if he were to get into trouble that would be his fault.

2. I'm licensed to handle financing in almost every state in the US. I had to take several classes and have to take continuing ed just to keep my license. If I were to go onto a site and give (credit specific) advice to people while being paid I could risk my license if I didn't research the site I was doing so on. If my license was linked to a fraud site and someone complained that I had given them advice and they were not in one of the states I am licensed in I lose it and my ability to originate loans. Done deal. When you are licensed in something you know the rules of having said license, especially if you are being paid for your time. Hence, you google the damn plan, busy or not. I don't know anyone in the same position who wouldn't. If this were 1 yr ago, no big deal, but today, this very day if you google kimkins you are gonna see the other stuff, and anyone who has a license should be suspect of kimkins before attaching their name to it.

Thank you.

[Carolina Rose]

Originally Posted by quiggley

I know Him he use to be the MT teacher at Remington College I had to take all My MT stuff from Him when I was getting my CMA. I do not know for sure I only know rumors but he was fired I was told for being too close to a few students.

quiggley ~ this Dr. Mark guy? What did you think of him? When was the last time you had contact with him? Very interesting!

[McLurkypants]

OK I'm to the point in the Wiki article of needing the details of the Kimkins plans.

What did the original Kimkins diet entail?

What about...
Kimmer's Experiment
Boot Camp
Shake Option
Vegetarian Option

And I don't know what we would call what the Kimkins plan is now - Post-Apocalypse Kimkins Plan?

And the recent Cycling Option (NOT on a bicycle - NO exercise!)

Has anyone blogged with details of the various plans? Or can anyone here point me to a source for this info?

If somebody with current access could provide the details of the current plan, that would be great.

Yes, I realize I'm trying to pin down a moving target when it comes to "Kimkins Now." Or is that "Tipkins"?

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

OK I'm to the point in the Wiki article of needing the details of the Kimkins plans.

What did the original Kimkins diet entail?

What about...
Kimmer's Experiment
Boot Camp
Shake Option
Vegetarian Option

And I don't know what we would call what the Kimkins plan is now - Post-Apocalypse Kimkins Plan?

And the recent Cycling Option (NOT on a bicycle - NO exercise!)

Has anyone blogged with details of the various plans? Or can anyone here point me to a source for this info?

If somebody with current access could provide the details of the current plan, that would be great.

Yes, I realize I'm trying to pin down a moving target when it comes to "Kimkins Now." Or is that "Tipkins"?

Here you go McLurky... straight from the Kimkins website itself...

KIMKINS DIET
The original Kimkins Diet

As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
0-20 total carbs per day(no fiber or sugar alcohol subtraction)
0-3 cups List 1 veggies per day OR
0-2 cups List 1 veggies + 0-1 cup List 2 veggies per day
Use minimal fat to make your menu work (careful, calories count!)
No alcohol or low carb products (sugar free candy, energy bars, ice cream, frozen meals)
Your appetite will reduce naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements




KIMMER EXPERIMENT (K/E)
K/E is used to reach ketosis quickly or as a jumpstart for other Kimkins Options

As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
Minimal low-carb condiments and spices may be used sparingly
No alcohol, no cheese, no fatty meats, no fats, no veggies
Your appetite will drop naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements
You may remain on K/E as long as desired



KIMKINS BOOT CAMP

The most popular Kimkins Option!
30 minutes of intense daily exercise required

Breakfast
Up to 2 eggs (cooked without fat)
Up to 1/2 cup List 2 veggies
Up to 2 oz lean ham or other lean protein (raw/cured weight)
Unlimited non-calorie beverage

Lunch
Up to 4 oz lean protein (raw weight)
Up to 2 cups mixed greens + Wishbone Spritzer dressing (or caloric equivalent)
Unlimited non-calorie beverage

Dinner
Up to 4 oz lean protein (raw weight)
Up to 2 cups mixed greens + Wishbone Spritzer dressing (or caloric equivalent)
Unlimited non-calorie beverage

Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements



VEGETARIAN OPTION
Vegetarian products have higher carbs so a calorie limit is suggested
Aim for no more than 1000 calories per day

Daily Limits

0-20 total carbs from all sources, no fiber subtraction
0-3 servings of protein substitutes including tofu, eggs, egg substitutes, protein powders
0-2 servings of higher carb choices including tempeh, Gardenburger and Boca products
0-2 servings of dairy choices including yogurt, soft cheese, hard cheese
0-3 cups of List 1 veggies
0-1 cups of List 2 veggies


Use minimal fat for cooking
Unlimited non-calorie beverages
A serving is per the product label
Use low calorie salad dressings and "light" butter substitutes (no trans fats)
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements
Due to higher carbs in vegetarian products, appetite reduction may not occur


MEAL REPLACEMENT SHAKE OPTION
Designed for convenience, automatic portion control and error proof

Up to 800 calories per day
Up to 16 total carbs per day
Up to 80 protein grams per day 0-4 RTD (Ready-to-Drink) meal replacements shakes per day or
0-4 homemade protein shakes per day (15+ grams protein per shake)


RTD shakes should not exceed 200 calories and 4 carbs each
Protein powder should not exceed 200 calories and 4 carbs per serving
Protein powder may be mixed with any very low calorie beverage
Do not use milk for mixing protein powder
You may prefer to have 2 shake meals + 1 Kimkins food meal for variety
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements


Kimkins Cycling Option
Perfect for members who want more variety

Week 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 ...
Choose your favorite Kimkins Diet and be strict!

Week 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 ...
Choose your favorite low calorie or low carb diet and be strict!


Pick your favorite diets and alternate weekly.
You may want to pick a different Kimkins Diet for each "Kimkins" week.
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by LINC

OK, here's how it works. The doctor, even if he isn't a "real doctor" won't be doing any research - they're too busy. Chances are, Tippy talked to his marketing person - and they do NO research - or she talked to him herself and he took her for her word. If he had a person like me working for him, I would do the research, and unless there was a real crime committed or lawsuit in progress, I would be ignored. At least that's been my experience.

Lou

Shoot, he could have at least googled Kimkins on his downtime between his flight from the East coast to California when he was giving a seminar.
He get a F or for not doing his homework or at least an incomplete if he has people working for him that would not take their position seriously.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

OK I'm to the point in the Wiki article of needing the details of the Kimkins plans.

What did the original Kimkins diet entail?

And more...again, straight from the website

KIMKINS FOODS GUIDELINES

LEAN PROTEIN
Bake, boil, broil, grill, poach, roast, steam, nonstick spray


Eggs

Save fat calories by mixing 2 egg whites + 1 whole egg for scrambles or omelettes
Choose low fat cooking methods and low fat mayonnaise to cut calories
Eggbeaters are excellent

Chicken & Turkey

Choose any fresh or frozen poultry that is not breaded
Remove the skin before cooking
White meat is lower in fat, but dark meat is fine
Rotisserie chicken may be allowed, beware of injected marinades
Duck and goose are fatty choices, enjoy as a rare treat and remove skin

Fish & Seafood

Choose any type, non-breaded
Choose water-packed canned tuna or crab
Shellfish has carbs so figure them into your daily carb totals
Shrimp should be prepared without butter sauces
Use low carb sauces very sparingly

Pork & Lamb

Choose tenderloin, cutlets, extra lean ham or Canadian bacon
Trim all visible fat
Bacon and Sausage should be very occasional treats
Turkey bacon or chicken sausage are better low calorie choices

Beef

Beef should be eaten rarely for fastest weight loss results
Even the leanest cut is 30% fat by calories
Choose cuts labeled “round”, “tenderloin”, “flank” or “London broil”
Trim all visible fat

Game

Venison, bear, elk, bison, ostrich and buffalo are excellent lean protein choices!
Cook by any low fat method listed above


VEGETABLES

List 1



All lettuces
Alfalfa sprouts
Bok choy
Celery
Cucumber
Endive
Fennel
Fresh herbs
Mixed salad greens
Mushrooms
Radishes
Spinach (raw)
List 2

Artichoke hearts
Asparagus
Bean sprouts
Broccoli
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chinese pea pods
Courgettes
Cooked greens
Eggplant
Garlic
Green beans
Leeks
Okra
Onion
Peppers
Snow pea pods
Summer squash
Tomato
Turnips
Zucchini
List 3

Maintenance Choices

Beets
Carrots
Corn
Fruit
Garbanzo beans
Hominy
Lima beans
Peas
Potatoes
Pumpkin
Rhubarb
Winter squash

MEAL REPLACEMENTS & SNACKS
No other substitutions!
Low carb protein shakes (1-4 carbs) as a meal replacement
Stallone brand protein pudding as a meal replacement
Dannon Carb & Sugar Control yogurt (3 carb brand, limit 1 per day)
Part skim string cheese (limit 1 per day)
Sugar free gelatin (limit 4 oz per day, no whipped topping)
Homemade or purchased sugar free popsicle


BEVERAGES
Unlimited!
Water (plain, flavored, mineral, anything 0 calorie)
Coffee & Teas (artificial sweeteners OK, no regular creamers)
0 Calorie Energy Drinks
Crystal Light
Diet soft drinks

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

OK I'm to the point in the Wiki article of needing the details of the Kimkins plans.

What did the original Kimkins diet entail?

What about...
Kimmer's Experiment
Boot Camp
Shake Option
Vegetarian Option

And I don't know what we would call what the Kimkins plan is now - Post-Apocalypse Kimkins Plan?

And the recent Cycling Option (NOT on a bicycle - NO exercise!)

Has anyone blogged with details of the various plans? Or can anyone here point me to a source for this info?

If somebody with current access could provide the details of the current plan, that would be great.

Yes, I realize I'm trying to pin down a moving target when it comes to "Kimkins Now." Or is that "Tipkins"?

OK... you asked Copied from the website on March 20, 2007

Guidelines for the Kimmer Experiment (K/E):
K/E is used to reach ketosis quickly or as a jumpstart for other Kimkins Options

As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
Minimal low-carb condiments and spices may be used sparingly
No alcohol, no cheese, no fatty meats, no fats, no veggies
Your appetite will drop naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements


Guidelines for Kimkins:
The original Kimkins Diet

As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
Up to 20 TOTAL carbs (not 'net' - no fiber or sugar alcohol subtraction)
Up to 3 cups List 1 veggies or
Up to 2 cups List 1 veggies + up to 1 cup List 2 veggies
Use minimal fat to make your menu work (careful, calories count!)
No alcohol or low carb products (sugar free candy, energy bars, ice cream, frozen meals)
Your appetite will reduce naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements



Kimmer's Experiment (often abbreviated KE) is a 3 to 5 day jump start into deep ketosis and fast weight loss.

KE contains ample protein, but little else - virtually no carbs, and only the fats naturally occurring within the lean meat and eggs. Quantities are not specified, so feel free to eat to appetite whenever hungry, from the Kimkins Protein Choices list.

Eggs may be boiled, poached, or fried in Pam-type cooking sprays.
Lean proteins may be grilled, baked, roasted, sauteed with Pam or similar cooking spray, or any method without extra fat being added.
Any sauces (low-carb BBQ sauce, low-carb ketchup, etc.) should be minimal, and especially low-carb.
Coffee, tea, and diet drinks with near-zero carbs are allowed, but beware of the extras like creamer in the coffee.
Beef or chicken broth is also allowed, and many people like a simple egg-drop soup with broth and egg.
Kimmer also allows a sugar-free Jello serving per day.

Generally, one would follow this for the 3 -5 days, then transition to Kimkins.

Many people are very happy with the simplicity and rapid loss of KE, and successfully stay on KE for months to lose the majority of their excess weight in the fastest way of eating possible.

Some return to KE from time to time to recover from a 'cheat', or speed things up when they seem stalled. KE is good for those who are already doing some version of low-carb, but not losing well, to see how 'carbed up' they really are. (Anyone losing 3 or more lbs. within the 3 - 5 days was over on carbs.)

Some skip this initial phase completely, and begin directly with Kimkins.


Kimkins is designed for ongoing weight loss at a rapid rate. Kimkins was the name given by a follower of the plan to describe Kimmer's effective and common-sense twist on other plans out there. Eating at Kimkins level still allows for strong ketosis and rapid weight loss.

More additions are allowed on Kimkins, but quantities are limited and specified.
The main additions are salads and low-carb veggies, along with small amounts of fat.
Fats might include salad dressings, mayonnaise (maybe in tuna or chicken salad), a touch of olive oil in cooking or butter on veggies, etc., or perhaps (for those who can exercise moderation) an ounce or so of cheese sprinkled on food.

Kimmer also allows a serving of very low-carb, low-calorie, low-fat food like Dannon Light and Fit Carb and Sugar Control yogurt, a whey protein shake, or Stallone pudding. Their numbers must, of course, fit within Kimkins limits.

CAUTION: Too much fat will slow or stall losses, so be very sparing. Chose lower-calorie low-carb options where available, and measure carefully.

By the way, cheese, bacon, and nuts should be considered fats, not proteins. Most people find these items (nuts, especially) extremely difficult to limit. The calorie counts (and even carb counts for nuts) can add up quickly, too. You will be wise to skip them for now.

Kimkins yields only slightly slower weight loss than KE, and many people find the extra additions give them the variety and bulk they desire, in order to continue successfully to goal with satisfaction.

Feel free to try either plan, and to switch from one to the other, as you wish.

The food choices for both plans can be found here.

[hippiegirl]

Originally Posted by MJR

Dr. Mark - About Constipation 7 Minutes ago
I'm asking Finlee's question that she asked on the hair thread. Many people seem to complain about constipation. Kimmer suggested to take 1 full dosage of like Milk of Magnesia or other laxative and then a 25-50% dose every day after that to keep things moving. Some say that's not a good idea but Kimmer said it was worse to keep the trash inside. Some members went to their doctors who prescribed strong laxatives. What's your take? If you agree with mild laxatives what do you recommend and does it matter for men or women differently?
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I like this approach. Subtle. Do you think the post will last until he gets back, though?

Kim

[jenna...]

I should have know this would happen.

[EasyPeas]

Jenna... this is great... you gave the Kimkins diet from last March... I gave the current one... the two can be compared to see if/how it's been scrubbed/changed.

[quiggley]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

quiggley ~ this Dr. Mark guy? What did you think of him? When was the last time you had contact with him? Very interesting!

Personally I thought he was strange when we would go into his Lab for his MT students to work on Us. He would just sit at his desk watching while we took off our scub tops. If someone said something he would look away for a second or sometimes walk out most of us started to always wear Sports Bras when we knew we had to go in there. He just had a weird way he stared at you.

I think I ran into Him last about 2 years ago he was fired in 2004 before I finished School and all of his Students except 2 failed their Certification exam. The one Lady I talked to a lot that did pass told me most of the rumors I know about him. Remington discontinued the MT program after that because of an almost 100% failure rate on the accreditation test.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by MJR

Dr. Mark - About Constipation 7 Minutes ago
I'm asking Finlee's question that she asked on the hair thread. Many people seem to complain about constipation. Kimmer suggested to take 1 full dosage of like Milk of Magnesia or other laxative and then a 25-50% dose every day after that to keep things moving. Some say that's not a good idea but Kimmer said it was worse to keep the trash inside. Some members went to their doctors who prescribed strong laxatives. What's your take? If you agree with mild laxatives what do you recommend and does it matter for men or women differently?
Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable

I want to hear this one too...lets play name that outcome
1) They will pull the post and Mark will not see it
2) Someone will say "Kimmer never said that at all you hater."
3) He will recommend increasing fiber in their diet or via supplementation (fibercon, metamucil) and an increase in water consumption
4) Recommend a colon cleansing
5) Recommend them to see a physician
6) Tells poster to use a glycerin suppository to get things going

[missis36]

I'm curious how many Doctors have marketing people when they aren't Dr. Phil? All of the Doctors I work with handle their own dealings, so I'm not sure how accurate it is to assume a person with this type of certification would have a marketing individual doing their researching. I'd guess he's doing his own research and he probably got the same song and dance from Tippy that she has given everyone else. And that would be that this is all a bunch of haters who formed to bring down Kimmer because her business partner was mad. And he'd be ok in believing that, because he has no reason to suspect anything else, unless, someone emails him. JMHO.

[*Pear*]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I might have to buy this one as is....

MissMerize:

I'm still back a few pages, so forgive me if this has already been asked, but can you make me one that says...

I escaped the Kimpound ?

[golite]

Originally Posted by missis36

I'm curious how many Doctors have marketing people when they aren't Dr. Phil? All of the Doctors I work with handle their own dealings, so I'm not sure how accurate it is to assume a person with this type of certification would have a marketing individual doing their researching. I'd guess he's doing his own research and he probably got the same song and dance from Tippy that she has given everyone else. And that would be that this is all a bunch of haters who formed to bring down Kimmer because her business partner was mad. And he'd be ok in believing that, because he has no reason to suspect anything else, unless, someone emails him. JMHO.

Someone who does international seminars has a marketing person. Since he doesn't appear to have a huge practice, I'd guess it's his wife/gf.

[golite]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

MissMerize:

I'm still back a few pages, so forgive me if this has already been asked, but can you make me one that says...

I escaped the Kimpound ?

[Krisis]

Ugh finally! I have been waiting for my account to be validated all the live long day so I can weigh in on this!

I have been lurking since thread #5 and all the drama is so exciting! Woo! I have a membership at scamkins and have been lurking there as well. I was on the diet for about a week until I found out I was pregnant and quit.

Anyway I have no great contributions except holy crap. I cannot believe the folks on Kimkins are trusting and believe Dr Full-of-it! I would be wary to accept medical advice from anyone on Kimkins anyway, PLUS, the man cannot spell. He cannot spell, he cannot write, and his grammar SUCKS. This BOTHERS me. It bothers me when anyone uses "your" instead of "you're," but it's worse when someone claiming to have a medical background does it. Yikes!

Also, he's not really saying anything new to these posters. "Take a vitamin," duh. To the person who posted on ADD/ADHD, he basically said "don't eat sugar and get enough rest." Huh?! And there was an EXCELLENT reply to that by some poster, which was deleted after he replied to the first message. Uh huh.

Anyway...that's all the input I have. Yay for the hater detectives!

[missis36]

Originally Posted by golite

Someone who does international seminars has a marketing person. Since he doesn't appear to have a huge practice, I'd guess it's his wife/gf.

That's a very good point, I didn't think of that one Thank you.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by robsrib

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I completely understand what you are saying. Hopefully, soon we will know exactly what his reasonings are for being there. I sincerely hope that he is there out of ignorance and just "being a good guy".

Oh and I haven't said yet today.......

Thanks for the birthday wish. I can understand wanting to believe and hope for the good in people. I do too and even try to understand why some would continue to support kimkins by being members there still.
I just think anyone who values their license in any career field would have proper research done before lending that license use to any organization. That is where I am with the doubt of things. Plus there are some issues in his statements and his credentials that don't add up.
Gut feeling says he is not on the up and up, but a gut feeling is not a reason for anyone to react so I will research a little more.

Hey, Dr. Mark should have hired one of us to research for him because if something is out there we will find it.

[EasyPeas]

I found out everything I need to know about Dr Mark and his qualifications.

I can't say much about the following because my friend still has her Kimk