Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[MJR]

Originally Posted by pbptm

This is why Heidi says she looks so good
QuoteWell, gosh, thanks again people! I'm a shy person and reading the accolades is, well, attention getting.

Cheri was so sweet to do the avatar for me ... heaven knows I'd never figure it out. I did it because I thought it would help with request for a pic. Truth is, I don't have many and this is the only digital one (sent from the friend who took it during a celebration dinner at a restaurant).

I have my 'before' pic (again, there's only one that's digital) and it's me at 287 lb. I'd be glad to send it to anyone who emails me.

KB, I was married for 16 years, got divorced 6 years ago and had a horrible custody battle (the 'divorce' diet works well, LOL). So, no hubby, not looking for anything permanent. I went on 2 internet dates ... was THAT scary (the guy who brought an engagement ring to the second date? the guy who followed my car?)

Thank you all for the compliments! I've always had a 'young' look which was horrible when I was a teenager (16 look 10) This is why when I bought, well, large quantities of alcohol for a Memorial Day BBQ, the clerk asked if my parents were gone for the weekend, LOL! Have to admit, at 46, it's nice to hear ...

Speck, I've had tummy tuck & breast lift (new technique, no T-scar!), that was due to pregnancies and weight. Thighs could use some work, but I'm not shelling out $$$ for it. No extra skin on my arms, I think it's a family thing? "Good enough" is OK with me, I'm not interested in "perfect".

This is on the Avatar thread (2004)

This just makes me want to throw up!!
I sure hope she gets what she deserves!

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by mimom3

Yup, that's what I think, too. She just looked way too small all over (even carrying her weight well) to be 280 - 300+ pounds.

Ya know, if she just would have shared her opinions without trying to sound like such a "know it all" and pretending she was tiny and maintaining, she could have been helpful. All of us have little hints and things that we know that work even if we don't always follow them. People share those tidbits all of the time without coming off nasty and condescending like Kimmer always did.

I'm sure that she (and almost everybody else on this board) truly have good things to share...

BUT...

there is/was no need for a huge scam that endangered the health of others and stole their money!!!

GRRRRRR....

Well, except it WAS all about the lying. Con artists lie. That's what they do. In the case of LCF, her lying got her all sorts of praise and enough of a following that it led to the real scam--the Kimkins site. She probably thought it would make her a bit of income and she could keep getting the power trip satisfaction. That it took off was probably a dream come true. Hey, a million bucks (or however much) is a helluva pay-off for a scam that only takes a computer and fake pics.

Clearly, anyone who diets quite a bit, along with reading diet books and visiting diet sites, can pick up a lot of info. I don't doubt Heidi probably has dieted A LOT in her life, if not successfully. It doesn't take a genius to read books, read sites, see what works fast, and make a cult out of it. It just takes someone so utterly devoid of conscience that manipulating well-meaning people is fun and games for them. That's what bugs me. When I see people here, there, at KK, everywhere, who were open and real and genuinely trusted Heidi/Kimmer, and the way she just strung them along. The heartlessness of it is, well, stunning. Not a single drop of blood is drawn, and yet she had to know, HAD TO, that when people were eating so very little, she was encouraging something damaging.

Power and money. Old, old temptations that blind.

What it comes down to: I don't think she's the kind of person who can be honest and genuine. The fact that members of her family who were contacted clarify she's a troublemaker/con/etc shows that the disposition to lie/con is chronic. She probably sits at home stuffing her face and plotting how to come up with more ways to get people via fake personae and self-aggrandizing internet interaction. It is a magnetic sort of power for a con, undeniable that, and she probably can't get through one single day without doing that--lying and pulling strings and remaking herself via internet creation.

That's why I totally believe she has personae still at KK and here and wherever she can toy with humans in the way that has been most profitable and least legally-damaging (so far): through a computer.

Even as Jeanessa and others pursue legal channels, I think Heidi/Kimmer assumes she will still get away with it, and, with that hubris and from old habit, she'll move on to something new, having learned certain lessons about how to skirt the legal issues with greater dexterity. She's slippery, but she's not perfect. Someday, it will all catch up to her.

What makes her scams work is that honest people trust and humans get desperate. Those two factors. We trust because it wouldn't occur to us to do what the Heidi/Kimmers of the world do. It's not part of how our brains work. And when we get desperate, we stop thinking clearly.

Bad combo, that, when one runs into the H.K.D's of the world.

Heidi, who claims to be Christian in those dating service profiles, needs to read Revelation 21:8 and consign it to memory. It's quite pertinent to the state of her soul...

If the law doesn't get her, God will. And He's not one to be fooled by the lies of Miz Diaz. And I take great comfort in that.

The Princess

[streaker1971]

I thought about that ask kimmer thread too. She was supposedly helping someone with insurance to get plastic surgery after losing weight. You know the way she lost all that weight and had plastic surgery! lol!!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by FaithM.

Either that or somebody was snoozing during spelling lessons!

God know knows, we've done what we can to educate her! Some people are not teachable!

[ixtapacheryl]

The Princess: I agree with you! We might never get a chance to see her brought to justice but in the end she does have to answer to God. What goes around comes around!

You know her self worth must be at an all time low. That is why she makes up all these stories about her success!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by streaker1971

I thought about that ask kimmer thread too. She was supposedly helping someone with insurance to get plastic surgery after losing weight. You know the way she lost all that weight and had plastic surgery! lol!!

I just had a thought - I'll be you $1MM she never had plastic surgery. She just said that because her before/after picture was so far fetched ... and we couldn't understand how her skin looked so tight. I know some gals have success with exercising ... but the majority just have to deal with the hanging skin.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

In addition to the foster kid bogus charity fundraising, the use of the US Mail to collect Kimkins membership fees would, I believe, constitute mail fraud, subject to prosection by the USPS Inspector.

The entire point of the kid charity was that they were no longer kids under fosterage. If Heidi accepted the money as donated, and could prove she did assist her young adults in any way, shape or form, that complaint is apt to be summarily dismissed. I believe that Kimkins membership fees are/were based on fraud, and that's where I'd pin my hopes.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by Michalle

From the Kimpound . . .
[color="DarkGreen"]Then Danielle Hauck chimes in . . .

[Iowajill, how can we help you? What information do you want? Kimkins is about rapid weight loss so traditional vegetarian food options (grain/amino combos) won't work -- but then you probably know that or you wouldn't be here.

Tell us what you need.]

I think Iowajill said what she needs!!!

Is that the Danielle who's an "admin"? If so, that's Heidi. Someone on one of the blogs reported getting mail from "Danielle" and it came from Heidi's email.

The Princess

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by SMP

I suggested several moons ago that since the money was supposed to go to young ADULTS who had aged out of the system, that there was nothing illegal about Tippy's fundraising. Has Heidi had foster kids in the last several years? Apparently yes. Legally? We don't know, but her son's ex said she had fosters last summer or spring. Whether or not Heidi spent the money on the kids is a moot point, according to Tippy. (I think Heidi prefers Captain Morgan to butter cakes.)

But we dont know for a FACT that she had them. The son's Ex said that she was TOLD.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by MJR

Has anyone thought about submitting an article (artical..ha) to Dr. Mercola's site warning people about Kimkins? He has a HUGE following and it may be a good way to get the word out.

I didn't even think of that. I'm signed up for his newsletters. That's a good idea.

[dointhis4me]

Tippy, Tippy, Tippy...

There is a wonderful site that could possibly help you!!

Merriam-Webster Online

The website address is very simple so you should be able to manage to spell it correctly (just try real hard and then bookmark it so you won't have to try and figure it out again).

You do really need to try a little harder with your spelling Tippy. You honestly are making yourself look more ignorant and pathetic then we already know you are.

If you we’re such a lowlife I’d feel sorry for you.

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Ok, if you keep it up I am going to have to put you on ignore Cheryl....my soul can't take all the guilt and shame here..LOL

Cheryl who ?????

[SMP]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I agree with you on that SMP. The behavior is not sinister, but isn't it odd how he will use medical terms one moment, similar to a real professional, but then in the next post use the slang "neked", to describe the process of getting a body fat measurement done?

It might just be an aversion to certain words. We all have hangups.

It reads as someone pretending to be a healthcare professional so they throw some lower end medical terminology in there for good measure or it is two different people posting, or someone who thinks they are more than one person, or they are trying to keep me up at nights with their odd behavior.

Now THAT'S suspicious, and possible as well. What can Dr. Mark accomplish in 2 hours per week? It takes him a while to read, then research. (Although opinions take no research at all if they don't require background facts.)

BTW- I noticed in one of your posts you mentioned being Canadian and I had to look at your information below your avi, because I had never noticed your accent before and it caught me by surprise. LOL

Sorry, Honey, but it's ALL YOU GIRLS that have the accent - I speak Canadian English, eh?

[FaithM.]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

God know knows, we've done what we can to educate her! Some people are not teachable!

Absolutely! Still, I'm going to be LMBO if and when we finally see her spell the word article correctly!

[Binsk]

Hi Guys

I have been off the forums for the last few weeks, celebrating Canadian Thanksgiving and Oktoberfest. There is no way I can keep up with all the posts, so I have read Kimkins exposed and WOW everyone has been so busy with the Russian brides, and the TV expose, and the Kimkins site being "sold" and this new doctor, my goodness.

I have contacted Tyna and filled her in about the latest news, others may have done that as well. I'll let you know what her response is. She did tell me about a coworker who was going to do Kimkins and Tyna filled her in on how dangerous it is and that its a scam. Way to go Tyna.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

posted yesterday:

haven't been feeling well the last month or so, so I have been off-diet, just maintaining instead of losing. I usually stuck to K/E and bootcamp before. When I was on diet before I was losing a lot of hair. I cut a lot off last week (told the hairdresser to cut off as much as necessary to leave just the healthy hair), and I am still continuing to loose a significant amount of hair everyday.
The bootcamp menu I was following most days was:

Bkft: 2 medium eggs cooked with 2 slices extra lean deli ham and 1/2 cup List 1 or 2 veggies

Lunch: 2 cups (loosely packed) spinach with 4 oz tuna and 3 sprays Hellman's Zesty Italian Salad Spritzer

Dinner: 2 cups (loosely packed) spinach with 4 oz chicken breast and 3 sprays Hellman's Zesty Italian Salad Spritzer

I'm also drinking 2L/day water, and 1-2 diet sodas.

My average daily totals are: Cals - 300-500 Fat - 5-19g Carbs- 5-15g Protein- 65-80g

I have been taking a multi-vitamin, fish oil supplements, and fibre pills with non-digestible carbohydrates in it. I have also added echinacea, a high-potency B-complex vitamin, zinc, calcium and vitamin D.

Any suggestions for my plan?

Dr Mark's Response:

When experiencing any symptoms that are exaggerated (lots of this or that) plus general malaise (not feeling great) it may be time to see your primary physician.


Remember folks to listen to your body. If you follow the advise that the people on the forum give it is just a general guideline.

Listen to your body.... Especially really significant amounts of pain.


Minor changes in skin, hair, bowel movements, etc experienced with dietary changes or detoxification are normal...

Extra Extra or Bad Bad symptoms are not.

TT's Response:

try to slowly bring the calories up. You can't stay so low forever and if you end up stalling you'll have nothing left to cut back on. I like bootcamp myself and I do well with it but I have at least 800 calories.

And the FAMOUS Admin's response: (Kimmer?)

Mara, welcome back. Here is information posted on another thread about hair loss. Of course see your doctor if you're concerned.

These are links to other sites about hair loss and dieting. It seems to occur with all diets from Atkins to Jenny Craig, but no one has a solid answer. We strongly suggest you see your doctor to determine if there's an underlying medical or hormonal imbalance. Often it seems prior use of birth control pills may be a factor due to excess estrogen storage in body fat.

Go to this thread and there are links to read: http://www.kimkins.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,101/func,view/id,399199/catid,11/ limit,10/limitstart,10/#404313

The values for the menu you submitted above are 508 calories and 73 grams of protein. How much weight did you lose following this menu for a month? What did your doctor say when you told him you were doing Kimkins?

The "doctor" doesn't tell her to up her calories? And what's this about if she's that low she'll have nothing to cut back. Does that mean if you're at 800 there's room to cut back? I don't get it.

Ok, they have made more changes to their website...when you C&P it pasts "who you are and how many posts your had over there". So when you put it here, be sure to delete the bottom of the message or they will see your user name over there.

Wow. If they'd only put as much effort into the members health as they do into this kind of stuff.

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

Atkins reply to me about kimkins


Thank you for your inquiry.

We are aware of the scam and are investigating the situation at this time. Thank you for your concern.

Yes, that's the same generic response that I received earlier, as well.

At least we are letting them know. Hopefully that really means they are looking into it.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

shampooed carpets today

Nyah, nyah nyah....I pulled about a half acre of weeds, trimmed some shrubbery, and composted them (well, maybe not a half acre but it felt like it)

[GypsyVisions]

This is why when I bought, well, large quantities of alcohol for a Memorial Day BBQ, the clerk asked if my parents were gone for the weekend, LOL! Have to admit, at 46, it's nice to hear ...

What a load of crap. I gotta go get my shovel.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

For those who missed my first post on this, I think it would be good to file a complaint on Ripoff Report. I didn't do it because I never joined the site, just followed the diet for 3 weeks so I never lost any money.

My husband saved thousands of dollars by doing a search on a company he was considering hiring to help him with his business. If we can just save one person it will be worth it.

Done

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Well, except it WAS all about the lying. Con artists lie. That's what they do. In the case of LCF, her lying got her all sorts of praise and enough of a following that it led to the real scam--the Kimkins site. She probably thought it would make her a bit of income and she could keep getting the power trip satisfaction. That it took off was probably a dream come true. Hey, a million bucks (or however much) is a helluva pay-off for a scam that only takes a computer and fake pics.

Clearly, anyone who diets quite a bit, along with reading diet books and visiting diet sites, can pick up a lot of info. I don't doubt Heidi probably has dieted A LOT in her life, if not successfully. It doesn't take a genius to read books, read sites, see what works fast, and make a cult out of it. It just takes someone so utterly devoid of conscience that manipulating well-meaning people is fun and games for them. That's what bugs me. When I see people here, there, at KK, everywhere, who were open and real and genuinely trusted Heidi/Kimmer, and the way she just strung them along. The heartlessness of it is, well, stunning. Not a single drop of blood is drawn, and yet she had to know, HAD TO, that when people were eating so very little, she was encouraging something damaging.

Power and money. Old, old temptations that blind.

What it comes down to: I don't think she's the kind of person who can be honest and genuine. The fact that members of her family who were contacted clarify she's a troublemaker/con/etc shows that the disposition to lie/con is chronic. She probably sits at home stuffing her face and plotting how to come up with more ways to get people via fake personae and self-aggrandizing internet interaction. It is a magnetic sort of power for a con, undeniable that, and she probably can't get through one single day without doing that--lying and pulling strings and remaking herself via internet creation.

That's why I totally believe she has personae still at KK and here and wherever she can toy with humans in the way that has been most profitable and least legally-damaging (so far): through a computer.

Even as Jeanessa and others pursue legal channels, I think Heidi/Kimmer assumes she will still get away with it, and, with that hubris and from old habit, she'll move on to something new, having learned certain lessons about how to skirt the legal issues with greater dexterity. She's slippery, but she's not perfect. Someday, it will all catch up to her.

What makes her scams work is that honest people trust and humans get desperate. Those two factors. We trust because it wouldn't occur to us to do what the Heidi/Kimmers of the world do. It's not part of how our brains work. And when we get desperate, we stop thinking clearly.

Bad combo, that, when one runs into the H.K.D's of the world.

Heidi, who claims to be Christian in those dating service profiles, needs to read Revelation 21:8 and consign it to memory. It's quite pertinent to the state of her soul...

If the law doesn't get her, God will. And He's not one to be fooled by the lies of Miz Diaz. And I take great comfort in that.

The Princess

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by MJR

Hey, Maybe this is Heidi's new diet scam....

Quote from mercola.com "Wackiest Fad Diets in America"

have a modest proposal...THE AIR DIET, calorie, fat, sugar, protein, fiber, carb, liquid, alcohol, caffeine, drug, and/or hassle free.

We guarantee on this diet you will lose weight, with NO EXERCISE!

Yes, that is correct, on the AIR DIET, THERE ARE NO DVD'S, BOOKS, PLANS, OR MEMBERSHIP FEES!

Dial: 1-800-AIR-HEAD in the next 5 minutes, and have your high limit credit card ready!

Why with the AIR DIET, we will throw in a free burial (within 3 days of purchase) if you are not completely satisfied with the weight loss results!!!

That's AIR DIET, because all you have to do is suck.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Well, I'm still waiting for my hair to stop falling out and it has been sense July!

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

The front page used to say ~ "There's no faster diet! None!"

It looks like they have taken that mention off the front page, but there is still information about losing fast included on the Thinking About Kimkins page:

It's still on the home page, right under the Kimkins logo