Why the fascination with Kimmer? #7

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Open discussion and questions should only bring out the truth

Hence the ongoing banning of Kimkins members ....

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by robsrib

How many people signed up for KK without doing research? They saw the glossy magazine article or the pretty website and gladly handed over their money. People even followed her from over here after seeing the way she berated and belittled fellow posters. If the link between the website and the Dr. is TT and she or her husband is a patient why would he question an invitation to help people? I am sure in person she doesn't present herself as the mean-spirited lunatic she is in her postings. Armed with her new found position and authority over there I bet she talked a good game. I honestly cannot say I would have doubted her especially if I had an established relationship with her.

Robsrib I usually agree with you but not on this one.
I look at Dr.Mark's situation so vastly different to those of us ex-kimkiners here now for a couple of reasons.
One- I did attempt to research Kimkins before I joined. The problem then was all that came up was Kimmer's marketing propaganda. I read some diet reviews, some articles that appeared to be giving it a thumbs up but of course these were either fake, puppet written or affiliates. At the time I thought they were others opinions not something bought and paid for as marketing. After reading a dozen of those I thought ok worth a shot.
I can not say the same thing if one decides to do a google search now. There is too much factual information out there now and there is NO WAY I would have considered Kimkins. But before this thread did not come up or blogs because they were either buried under the marketing pages or they didn't exist.

Two- He is a healthcare professional using his name and license to offer advice on-line and representing a company (Kimkins) where he is on staff.
He has a responsibility to at least research the company he is going to represent because it is using his name and he knows that it will be promoted with his name as staff. That would be a huge risk.

I had a responsibility to research my diet to in my opinion but the information was not as easily found then as it is now. Plus he could ask Kimkins about their diet plan and how they operated where I was not able to do that until after making the purchase. Then of course the answers I got would be a lot different then what Dr. Mark gets I am betting.
A big difference between someone trying a diet and someone making a career move or change in my mind.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

We don't really know if this is the same guy, and that's why I said "if". I do think though that it's a little different comparing the Kimkins followers to a physician (or whatever he is called). The followers aren't putting their professional reputations on the line. Maybe it's not the same guy, but it is SOMEONE, and whoever that someone is should have done some research about Kimkins before putting his name out there and thereby possibly lending credibility to something that so far hasn't been proven credible.

OK, here's how it works. The doctor, even if he isn't a "real doctor" won't be doing any research - they're too busy. Chances are, Tippy talked to his marketing person - and they do NO research - or she talked to him herself and he took her for her word. If he had a person like me working for him, I would do the research, and unless there was a real crime committed or lawsuit in progress, I would be ignored. At least that's been my experience.

Lou

[SMP]

Originally Posted by LINC

Let's see, his home address has already been posted here, people are questioning his credentials and someone's already suggested contacting the APTA. That's just for starters. Now that we know his name, people are scouring the internet looking for dirt on him. All it takes is ONE person to send one convincing e-mail to the right person, and this guy's career could be over. That's how the medical world works. Yes, he may be part of the scam, but he could just as likely be a guy who just unknowingly put himself in the middle of a sh!!tstorm. You say he's not a target, but he is for God knows how many people here who are googling the crap out of his name right now.

Lou

I won't be part of any action to deprive a person of his livelihood obtained in a lawful manner. Kimmer was unreal (thanks Missis) and Heidi is a con artist. She deserves what she gets. Dr. Mark's answers look rather "canned," as though they were lifted verbatim from a Q & A site. And if he's online giving answers right now, I'd be rather puzzled, as he has a heavy slate of seminars scheduled from Oct 9-11th, and 12-14th. Surely he should be tending to his bread-and-butter-and-jam business right now. There have been so many cleanups on KK that what is left looks fairly respectable and if he's there in ignorance of what has happened, the most I'd do is send him a few links to see what messes Heidi/TT got themselves into. Then let the chips fall where they may.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Googling information and having an opinion is always a wise thing.....in my opinion .
But seriously I know we are discussing his information on here but that would not ruin his career and if he is not doing anything outside of his license rights he does not have anything to be concerned about with the a licensing board.
Regarding the APTA I am not sure who recommended contacting them but if he is over qualifying himself and promoting himself as something he is not then it does need to be done. If I was a Physical Therapist I would be upset if someone was referring to themselves as one without the proper training, because that is misleading and lowers the overall image of PT if anyone can claim to be a physical therapist.
Open discussion and questions should only bring out the truth not harm his career and it definitely would not be more damaging than him not being notified and being featured on the news as being associated with a fraudulent website.

It was JustKim (KimATC) who brought up contacting the APTA.



I will say this much. I have several friends who are physicians and licensed health care practitioners and as well as they know me (very) and as long as we've been acquainted (a long time), not a single one of them would just take it on my say-so about an organization I was recruiting them to be a part of. I wouldn't take it as a slight against me at all, but instead understand and expect they do their own "due diligence" on this, or any other thing they'd become involved with that could possibly impact their professional licensing, and by extension, their very livelihood.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by LINC

OK, here's how it works. The doctor, even if he isn't a "real doctor" won't be doing any research - they're too busy. Chances are, Tippy talked to his marketing person - and they do NO research - or she talked to him herself and he took her for her word. If he had a person like me working for him, I would do the research, and unless there was a real crime committed or lawsuit in progress, I would be ignored. At least that's been my experience.

Lou

[MissMerize]

I've been up since 4:30 am eastern time this morning. 11:10 now.

Will resume my unemployed life back here tomorrow.

night all......

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by LINC

OK, here's how it works. The doctor, even if he isn't a "real doctor" won't be doing any research - they're too busy. Chances are, Tippy talked to his marketing person - and they do NO research - or she talked to him herself and he took her for her word. If he had a person like me working for him, I would do the research, and unless there was a real crime committed or lawsuit in progress, I would be ignored. At least that's been my experience.

Lou

You may be right. I have to wonder though if he has the time to dispense wisdom on a diet bulletin board, then he must have an awful lot of time on his hands. As I said, WHOEVER it is should have been more careful.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by LINC

LOL - what happens if he's in an S&M club (hey, we've seen that one already) I'm just saying....the guy may have posted things on the internet that he will wish he hadn't (Kim knows what I'm talking about here) that seemed perfectly innocent at the time, but will now come back and bite him in the butt BEFORE he had the chance to back out of this mess. Maybe his wife is a Russian bride, who knows? Yes, BY ALL MEANS, notify him. But, let's give the guy a chance before we start posting all is personal stuff and tearing him apart.

Lou

I agree with you .... I still don't think this guy realized what he was walking into! What person in their right mind would do so willingly?

If he is legit - he will answer any questions directed at him on the KK site - just like he did previously. I just think he's on the up and up. Hey I've got to believe in someone over there.

Also I don't believe he is doing this gratis ..... she's paying him something and I'm sure it's not minimum wage!

[quiggley]

I know he was fired from Remington in 2004 and he talked then about having a practice in St Pete. I talked to him a few times about MLD which he really knew nothing about. Since His students practiced on us I was hoping he knew it and I could get a few treatments in LOL

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

this one Honey?

Introducing Dr. Mark 11 Hours, 11 Minutes ago
We are very pleased to announce the addition of Dr. Mark!

Dr. Mark is a Holistic Physician specializing in pain and injury rehabilitation and human performance. His journey into fitness started as a semi professional triathlete competing in 20-30 races per year.

Struggling to turn pro, he sustained a knee injury which was destined to change the course of is life. Western medicine could not find a good answer for the pain. After finding his own “cure” he began a quest to understand the human body’s form and function so he could help others.

Education in personal training, massage therapy and physical medicine eventually culminated in graduation from a four year post-graduate program in Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Today he gives seminars internationally, sees patients 3 days a week and has come here to help us, the Kimkins Community.

Please welcome him to Kimkins!

Well yup, I guess Kat I thought it was something different. Thanks for getting it!
I had read the "click on the sticky" at the top of the page and I was expecting a CV or something professional.
Usually showing schooling , where Residency was completed, professional staff positions/employment, professional affiliations/boards, any professional publications, license number, ....that sort of thing. I thought all healthcare professionals would have something available for a board you are going to become a staff on. At least one even if not up to date.

[golite]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

It was JustKim (KimATC) who brought up contacting the APTA.

Oh, I see, she was talking about reporting him for some of his wording in his introduction.

I was getting the impression that someone wanted to report him for being a part of kk.

Kim, would know if his wording is a reportable offense, so I have nothing against that if she feels it's right.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by quiggley

I know he was fired from Remington in 2004 and he talked then about having a practice in St Pete. I talked to him a few times about MLD which he really knew nothing about. Since His students practiced on us I was hoping he knew it and I could get a few treatments in LOL

What's MLD?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I've been up since 4:30 am eastern time this morning. 11:10 now.

Will resume my unemployed life back here tomorrow.

night all......

G-nite MissM

Oh that reminds me MrsM where are you????
Getting beind again catch up with us chick.

[flowerpower]

That was my first thought too. Gee, that looks an awful lot like pictures I've seen of....Flower! I figured I best not open that can of worms. Glad you outed yourself.

Seriously, I agree, that's probably just some random person she knows who has the same color hair and eyes as she does. I mean the same color eyes...

Lou

Thanks Lou!

I swear - I thought I was looking at a mirror every time I saw that picture of the woman in the lounge chair with the zebra shirt on. I wondered if I was dreaming or something sometimes. Then, I'd think - gosh that girl is pretty, and I'd think - well, I'm not that pretty.... but then again, that woman looks like me.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I was not able to do that until after making the purchase.

True true true! I had to make the purchase, paid thru Paypal, before being allowed access to the website and the diet details. I also did google Kimkins before I joined (this was last spring). I found some "blogs" that had glowing reviews of Kimkins, with "click here" links. After reading several, I clicked on one of the links and it brought me to the "sign up" page. I realize now they were false viral marketing blogs. At that time, google didn't present anything negative about Kimkins. Today things are far different.

[MJR]

Why wouldn''t "Dr. Mark" use his full name?

[LINC]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Also I don't believe he is doing this gratis ..... she's paying him something and I'm sure it's not minimum wage!

BINGO! It's work he can do when he has time between patients, after work, whenever. I suspect he's getting paid by the response, not by the hour, which is why he's all over the place. He won't have set times, and he won't have time limits on when he can answer questions. And he's been paid a retainer. Well, at least that's the way I'd negotiate it.

Lou

[robsrib]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Robsrib I usually agree with you but not on this one.
I look at Dr.Mark's situation so vastly different to those of us ex-kimkiners here now is for a couple of reasons.
One- I did attempt to research Kimkins before I joined. The problem then was all that came up was Kimmer's marketing propaganda. I read some diet reviews, some articles that appeared to be giving it a thumbs up but of course these were either fake, puppet written or affiliates. At the time I thought they were others opinions not something bought and paid for as marketing. After reading a dozen of those I thought ok worth a shot.
I can not say the same thing if one decides to do a google search now. There is too much factual information out there now and there is NO WAY I would have considered Kimkins. But before this thread did not come up or blogs because they were either buried under the marketing pages or they didn't exist.

Two- He is a healthcare professional using his name and license to offer advice on-line and representing a company (Kimkins) where he is on staff.
He has a responsibility to at least research the company he is going to represent because it is using his name and he knows that it will be promoted with his name as staff. That would be a huge risk.

I had a responsibility to research my diet to in my opinion but the information was not as easily found then as it is now. Plus he could ask Kimkins about their diet plan and how they operated where I was not able to do that until after making the purchase. Then of course the answers I got would be a lot different then what Dr. Mark gets I am betting.
A big difference between someone trying a diet and someone making a career move or change in my mind.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I completely understand what you are saying. Hopefully, soon we will know exactly what his reasonings are for being there. I sincerely hope that he is there out of ignorance and just "being a good guy".

Oh and I haven't said yet today.......

[LINC]

Originally Posted by flowerpower

Thanks Lou!

I swear - I thought I was looking at a mirror every time I saw that picture of the woman in the lounge chair with the zebra shirt on. I wondered if I was dreaming or something sometimes. Then, I'd think - gosh that girl is pretty, and I'd think - well, I'm not that pretty.... but then again, that woman looks like me.

Yup, she's pretty and she looks just like you. So, when did you and Kimmer hang out where she could get a picture to use as her "after"?

Lou

[golite]

Originally Posted by LINC

Yup, she's pretty and she looks just like you. So, when did you and Kimmer hang out where she could get a picture to use as her "after"?

Lou

Oh, that would be quite a rumor! "Flowerpower is the only one who's ever seen The kimmer!"
(aside from the PI and everyone who's looked on the net that is)

[flowerpower]

Originally Posted by LINC

Yup, she's pretty and she looks just like you. So, when did you and Kimmer hang out where she could get a picture to use as her "after"?

Lou

it just so happens me and the kimmer are the same age, but I SWEAR - we have not met. I was born and have grown up in the Midwest. ugh - and I'm still in the Midwest... and although I have family that breaks the law, and are so called fraudlent, I don't fit into those categories.

Now, that zebra shirt picture (patio lounge chair) of kimmer really does look like it could have been me between haircuts and before my summer tan.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by golite

Oh, that would be quite a rumor! "Flowerpower is the only one who's ever seen The kimmer!"
(aside from the PI and everyone who's looked on the net that is)

Pssst....Flower is The Kimmer's BFF. She's fooled us all!!! Selling houses in the name of foster children everywhere, Flower has selflessly given all her profits to....sniff, sniff...Kimmer's kids. No wonder she looks so benevolent in that picture.

Lou

ETA....just saw your post Flower.....yeah.....OK.

[missis36]