Why the fascination with Kimmer? #6

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by shawngal

Coming out of lurkdom.

I'm a former Kimkins devotee. I fell off the wagon and couple of months ago and when I went to the site a couple of weeks ago, I noticed a lot of my fellow posters missing. A quick google search gave me the shock of my life!

I followed Kimmer/Heidi from here to her new site and stuck around with all the changes and the improved site after the WW article. I noticed that there were some changes to the diet after the WW article and I noticed that the person in the red dress looked NOTHING like the previous photo's of Kimmer/Heidi but pushed my doubts aside.

But now I know the truth and I'm sitting here in disgust and upset with myself for falling for a scammer.

I just posted the following in my journal over there and am now waiting to see how long it takes for me to get banned!

Fake success stories, fake Kimmer, people getting sick right and left. When will people wake up and see Kimmer/Heidi for the fraud she is?????????

People need to start checking their credit reports. Since Heidi is a CONFIRMED fraud, if you gave her your s.s # for the affiliate program, that means she can steal your identity. She's already stolen pictures from numerous sites, why would anyone believe that she wouldn't steal your identity now that the heat is on her!

Please people, don't buy into the scam! We all paid good money to a woman who claimed to be maintaining a nearly 200 pound weight loss using this plan. It's been proven over and over again that she did not and more than likely never lost the weight in the first place. She scammed us all and has been laughing at us all while counting the money she made.

Face it folks, this has all been one big scam and we all fell for it.


I've already tried to get my money back but I'll see if I get it back when they ban me, since I paid for a lifetime membership way back when.

Now, I just need to figure out where to go from here.

Welcome shawngal many of us here got duped and can understand how you feel after first learning of about the lie of Kimkins.
There are some great threads and one in particular is Repairing your metabolism and more I would say if you were actively following the Kimkins WOE then a visit to your physician would be in order to rule out any health issues. I wish you all the best and I hope to see you on the boards.

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by robsrib

Here is how the program outline should read:
1) For only $59.95 you have bought a lifetime membership into my lie.
2) You can risk going into starvation mode, diverticulitis, heart palpitations, muscle wasting, thyroid problems, hair loss, malnutrition.....but we don't talk about that here.
3) You can have your lifetime membership revoked for asking questions or making comments that "the great Oz" believes will cause other members to question the validity of this WOE, it's founder and it's founder's claims.
4) $59.95 is a small price to pay for this valuable service, however if you would rather join for free we would be more than happy to have you through your personal website or blog steer more unsuspecting clients our way (based upon your recommendation) and when enough suckers have signed up through your link your membership is free.
5) Should you be successful in your weightloss efforts on this program we would love to post your *pictures on the front page of the website to generate more income for ourselves because we are sorely lacking in real pictures of real people with real stories.
6) If you are not successful we suggest that you cycle with programs that have been proven to be succesful and healthy but bounce back to our program every week or so thus enabling you to claim that your success story is due to the valuable tools and advice you received here.

*Please send them before your hair falls out.

That pretty much sums it up!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Diana

My order will be here Monday!!!! Thanks Tippy!!!

Yes, in honor of Tippy, I just placed a nice LARGE order with Netrition, too!

[KarenG]

Originally Posted by BlueBrooke

I've seen this tactic used before in the "Fascination" threads when someone dares disagree with this group. How funny it would be, two or three pages from now, to see that not only have I accused Ducky of fraud, but I'm also a KK admin! I'm probably the one who mixes the Kool-Aide over there! It's already started, to a certain extent.

Are you all so sure you're "right" that you can't conceive of anyone disagreeing with the tactics used here unless they are "one of them?"

For the record, I don't have anything to do with "Kimmer," other than the fact that I read some of her to see what all the fuss was about when she left last year. I think people should be responsible for what they do -- but I don't think that applies only to "Kimmer," as most here seem to believe. You are not all "above it all" simply because you're on the "right" side today. "Karma" comes up a lot, but y'all seem to think it only applies to "Kimmer" for some reason.

Okay, so you are alright with someone who commits a crime (fraud) but not with someone who you think is a hypocrite?? I am not understanding your logic either.

THIS thread is about Kimmer...it does not mean I/we are not, or will not, be concerned with other crimes/criminals. THIS discussion has been about Kimmer and Kimkins. No one has ever said that it applies only to Kimmer. That is a ridiculous statement.

I don't believe people here are concerned with being right, I believe they are concerned with the Truth. And the truth is that Kimmer lied about her diet plan and then used that lie to sell it. And that her diet plan is potentially dangerous and people should be warned. Other diet plans/pills etc. come with a warning....Kimkins should also. A strong warning.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Diana

I love this post! 'cept I see no good from kimmers diet.... Er I mean Heidi Diaz...I don't see how she an continue the diet... it's dangerous

People who talk that much bug me

If I was full of caffeine and feeling spunky, I'd take her down, one peg at a time. As it is, since that was lifted from KK site and most likely deleted by now, I won't spend the time. But come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I may still do it, after a snack and a nap

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Sorry to double post here. I just wanted to repeat this from last night. I'm worried about those who have given information to KK.

Attention all past and present Kimkins affiliates!

On October 3rd, I emailed Heidi to ask that she pay me my affilate fees. They were only $45.00 because I had removed her banners from my website earlier in the month. I received an email from her in which she said they were paid by the 5th and she would ask them to do mine first. Thirty minutes later, I received an email from a "Brad Johnson" the supposed current affiliate manager. He told me they were reviewing my account for payment and that I needed to include my Social Security # for payment! Ummm, yea...sure. Do I have stupid written on my forehead? Like I'd give her my SS# so she can run off to Venezuela and become ME! LOL I wrote "him" back saying I received all my previous payments without the SS# and that with all the KK controversy going on, I would NOT be giving them my SS#. Of course, the 5th came and went and no payment. So, I wrote Heidi back this morning telling her what "Brad" said and that I would appreciate her having them pay me today. Here's what I received back.

"Hi Lisa,

The computer will not allow payment until your earnings reach the minimum $45.00 and there was a refund yesterday which subtracted an earned commission. Your current balance is $29.98.

It's your choice to not provide a social security number. Kimkins will send this email to the IRS with your name and address so they can contact you for the information.

Kimmer"

Was she threatening me with the last paragraph?? LOL Here was my final response to her:

"Kimmer,

Yes, please do forward it to them, since they already have my SS#, so they can contact me. I have a lot I'd like to tell them, myself.

Lisa"

So, now all of a sudden, a refund was posted to my account the day after I ask for payment? She's going to refund me right into the red until I owe her money. LOL

To get to main point of my post. If you know anyone who was or is a Kimkins affilate, PLEASE have them go into their accounts and first take a screen shot of what they are owed by Kimkins. Then have them change their contact information. Since the new site upgrade, there is a place in the affiliate accounts that asks for an SS#. I had never filled it in. This morning, I went in to delete my account which cannot be done. So, I changed all my contact information, name, address, phone number, etc. to bogus information. Exampe, I just put a single letter for both my first and last name, 123 "I Don't Think So" for the address and 123-456-1234 for the phone number. Just something to fill in the blanks so you can update it. PLEASE pass this around to people you know and feel free to continue reposting it off and on in this forum and any others. As a disclaimer, I am not accusing Heidi of anything, but with the present controversy, I think we all would agree that we would not want her or her employees to have our personal contact information, let alone our SS#'s. Since we KNOW there was no Vanessa, I'm sure there is no Brad either. Thanks for your help in advance.

Blessings,
Lisa

Yanno, this is important info and I believe should be posted on at least a couple of the blogs, too.

[Mariasol]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

Yanno, this is important info and I believe should be posted on at least a couple of the blogs, too.

Great suggestion I added it to mine.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by cheri

You know... One thing I am worried about is that yes the fake after pictures from the russian site are coming out but that means the before pictures are fake also.. I am wondering if they were taken off weightloss sites.. or maybe webshots since some are obviously not a professional photo. Can you imagine how awful a person would feel if they knew their picture was put with an AFTER weightloss photo? When I realized that my heart started aching for the people in the befores shots. I don't know... realizing that seems like more of an invasion of privacy for the people in the before shots.

That is a valid concern that the idea of being a before picture would make anyone upset, whether you needed to lose weight or not who would ever want to be the before in any success story. I know I don't even want to be the before in my own success story.
Although it may be more flattering to be an After I have to say I would be upset if my picture was used period and each one is a demonstration in fraud committed by Kimmer. She used those images to promote her site and to tell the story she wanted to tell....oh she gets me mad.
The odd thing is that of all the fake success stories only maybe 3-5 would be someone that others would think even needed to lose weight. In many cases it was difficult to tell the befores from the afters, but they were just different. But there are those few that could have come from a weightloss site. I didn't realize how unbelievable most of the pics were until I looked at them side by side. Is it ironic that on Kimkins the pics are small and when you click on the pic to enlarge it you only view one at a time. I guess that decreases the actual comparison of the two. Dang that Kimmer.
But I know you are sincere in your concern so I wanted to let you know that we have found 30 plus photos so far and of those all the befores and afters have come from the dating sites/international sites.
I do feel you concern and it is something to be aware of but I do think the percentage of them that end up coming from a weightloss site is going to be low.

[SoHappy]

Originally Posted by susique333

Now that I see the Admins over there all spewing "So what if shes a fraud, this diet works!" blabber, there is little my exposing-signature can do.

This is basically the same thing as saying, "So what if she's a fraud, STARVATION works!

I keep just shaking my head at that mindset. OF COURSE THE DIET WORKS....at least for awhile....people who are subjected to STARVATION levels of food intake lose! They lose fat, they lose muscle, they lose bone, they often lose healthy function of many of their organs, OFTEN permanently, they usually lose much of their original metabolic level, at whatever level it started at, they usually lose hair, and sometimes it NEVER come back in as full as it was previously (ask my SIL!!!), and they sometimes LOSE THEIR LIVES! They often cannot become pregnant though trying, they often cannot sustain pregnancies and spontaniously abort their embryos, they can ruin their dental health, they can alter their brain chemistry balance which can bring them into "starvation euphoria".

And it all happens so quietly. It is insideous as the damage is done, cell by cell, week by week. No, I don't think ultra-low calorie diets will really cause much harm to a person in the VERY short term....but after a few weeks, you're taking a chance, and after a few MONTHS, you're courting real danger! YES, people and other animals can absolutely DIE from this kind of ultra-low food intake BEFORE they even get to the skinny, gaunt, starved "bag of bones" look.

So, yeah....What do we care? The "DIET" works!!!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Well, it is with a HEAVY heart that I report to BANNED camp this morning. Yes, I now have the "yellow pawn of death" as my av at KK's.

Anyways, with your support and kind hearts, I will attempt to soldier on and try to live without the wonderful and oh so helpful, caring advice of SL and Tippy. Not to mention my good "friend" Kimmer.

I'll be fine! I mean, I learned to get by without hearing from my dear friend Melt for how many days now? I guess I just need a little to make me feel better.

Oh and someone a few pages back asked me:


No no!!! Yellow Hammer refers to the state bird and is part of the Crimson Tide fight song.

I too was banned and never felt bad about it. You are doing so well on your weight loss --- believe me you will succeed here - and be healthy. Now go and sign up for the class action lawsuit so you can get your money back.

Welcome!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Latest from Tippy on calories

" TRe:what will happen 2 Hours, 49 Minutes ago
I agree 400 calories is too low. But it's not anyone's fault. We have never hung a calorie number on any plans except the veggie option because we didn't want calories to be a concern. However, after reading about such low levels we have decided to announce that all Kimkins plans should have a minimum of 800 calories per day. The maximum level of calories should still be individualized from person to person according to weight loss ability.

Add calories in slowly. Do it in the form of extra lean protein and a tad more healthy fats. Do not increase calories thru carbs or you may wind up in trouble.

I hope this helps."

Wow what a change from promoting how if you could not go to 500 calories a day you were a sissy.
JuliaL had posted an excerpt fro a kimkins newsletter and here is a portion of it again-

gastric bypass patients are intended to eat around 500 calories a day after surgery. It’s the entire purpose of the surgery. Those that follow the 500 calorie instructions lose extremely fast. Those who can’t commit and pick easily digestible high calorie foods like mashed potatoes, candy, soda, chips, alcohol and ice cream don’t lose or may even gain.
If you’re considering a diet don’t be afraid of losing quickly. Do be afraid of the side effects of obesity. It only take a few extra pounds before developing Type 2 diabetes and once you have it, it’s for life. Your cells never regain their ability to use insulin.

Naturally I’d like to suggest the Kimkins Diet for anyone who’s serious about losing weight. But the Kimkins program is strict, it’s not for sissies. It’s for people who want to lose now.

[scottish steve]

"This diet has worked for me many times"
Wow.
What an embarrassingly obvious contadiction in terms that is.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I do feel you concern and it is something to be aware of but I do think the percentage of them that end up coming from a weightloss site is going to be low.

I agree. I doubt that she lifted anything from weight loss sites. Most of us visit many different sites, and there would have been a much greater risk that someone would recognize a photo.

If someone on here hadn't mentioned that the photos looked Eastern European, we probably would have never found those either.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by scottish steve

"This diet has worked for me many times"
Wow.
What an embarrassingly obvious contadiction in terms that is.

You caught that?

[JeriRat]

I have to get ready to go to a wedding, neighbor's remarrying, so I want all of you to type real slow!

Pretty Please

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by BlueBrooke

Um no --

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of this group.

"Kimmer" refused to reveal her true identity and incurred the wrath of those who are on the right side. "Ducky," however, is also an unknown, but since "Ducky" is fighting the good fight, no one cares who "Ducky" is.

I'm really surprised I had to explain that one.

Y'all have fun. If I don't bother to post anymore (and who would if it involved explaining stuff like this), you can then high-five each other. It *is* much easier when you just have people who agree with you posting here, isn't it?

Where's the hypocrisy? On the part of posters to this thread? On the part of LCF?

Who said we don't care who Ducky is????

I'm really surprised at how supercilious you are coming across. What dog do you have in the fight, btw?

Do you REALLY think this entire 5 threads worth of investigation is merely due to the fact that Kimmer "refused to reveal her true identity "? How about criminal fraud? How about enticing and selling a dangerous starvation diet to KIDS? How about taking people's money and then kicking them in the teeth and out the door? Oh honey, don't even get us started on that woman's list of crimes....

Some of us know who Ducky is. Ducky is on the side of right and might. There have actually been postings in this thread where people questioned Ducky's motives and some of his/her posts and information given out.

If you bothered to read the entire thread which obviously, you have not. Hypocrisy? How? The threads weren't deleted just because they questioned Ducky.

Now, on the other hand we have Kimmer, completely and totally indefensible, IMO, although plenty of people have come in this thread and tried. She is....uh well...on the slippery slope to incarceration, shall we say?

Y'all have fun. If I don't bother to post anymore (and who would if it involved explaining stuff like this), you can then high-five each other. It *is* much easier when you just have people who agree with you posting here, isn't it?

It is certainly IS MUCH easier when you have the same objective in mind and don't have to be diverted by those with some peculiar agenda, yes.

You sound like a person who, when the other team comes to play in your stadium, you park yourself among the visitors grandstand with your hands on your hips yelling "HYPOCRITES!" at the visitors because they're eating the home team's hotdogs and drinking their sodas and sitting on their benches.

Since you believe yourself to be morally and intellectually superior to those of us here, why don't you just sashay off to another part of the forum where you can feel more comfortable and people will agree with/appreciate you more? Because we're on a mission here, ya know. Anyone coming into this thread knows EXACTLY what that mission is. And we won't be deterred.

Now if you enjoy being a chewtoy...by all means stay. I'm sure someone with a more pithy sense of wit will be along shortly to tagteam me.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by JustKim

Thanks. Looks like the next step now then

I thought you would also want to address this with kimmer as well
Kimkins Weight Loss: Kimkins Fitness Tips
I am sure Kimmer has many blogs and various internet marketing tools, so trying to track it all down my prove daunting, but I thought you should know how she is using your name and credentials.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I thought you would also want to address this with kimmer as well
Kimkins Weight Loss: Kimkins Fitness Tips
I am sure Kimmer has many blogs and various internet marketing tools, so trying to track it all down my prove daunting, but I thought you should know how she is using your name and credentials.

Thanks! The blogs were specifically laid out in the letter too - and obviously she has not complied there either.

[susique333]

Does anyone have a link to Christin's blog? I havent heard the outcome to her Cardiologist visit. Has anyone heard how she is doing?

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

[FONTBless Your Heart don't let us keep you from your important life.....[/font]

(It was a very nice post, but his part had me laughing)

[wifezilla]

Just your friendly, periodoc reminder that this thread exists because a woman lied about her weight loss. She then used that lie to garner national publicity in Women's World magazine. That publicity was used to take money from unsuspecting people who just wanted to lose weight. These people who paid for a Kimkins membership did not know the founder was really an obese woman who was not 118lbs as she claimed, and that other success stories were actually made up and their pictures were boosted from Russian bride websites. When people questioned Kimmer and her lies, they were banned despite the fact that their memberships were supposed to be for a "lifetime". Along with all this, people who did lose weight on the Kimkins plan began having serious health problems.

This thread isn't about posters here being part of a mob, or the LCF mods being mean, or anyone being a "hater". It is about lies. It is about a fraud. It is about people being hurt by a dangerous diet plan. It about Kimmer and her supporters who perpetuate her crimes. It is about BAD PEOPLE who did BAD THINGS!

If us pointing out these realities make you uncomfortable, there are several hundred other threads on this board that you can post in. You even have the ability to start your own topic. But stopping by here and doing a drive-by posting will not make us shut up or go away.