Why the fascination with Kimmer? #6

[LindaJ]

I am way behind in reading the Fascination With The Decline Of The Roman Kimpire War And Peace threads ... but has anyone looked close up to see if Lesya's eyes are those weirdly photoshopped triangles?

[susique333]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Well gang, today I joined the ranks of..............

THE MANY, THE PROUD, THE BANNED

It's proof positive that the admins at KK are reading here and banning people not for what they post on KK, but for what they post ELSEWHERE! They cited "TOS violation". Pfffffft! I haven't even posted there, so what TOS did I violate? Not a one! Now, I will join the class action suit and will hopefully get my money back. So much for a "lifetime membership". They forgot to tell you that they determine the length of your lifetime.

I dont post over there either but my KK siggy says it all....after reading your post here I foresee my lifetime is coming to an end sooner than I thought! Now that I see the Admins over there all spewing "So what if shes a fraud, this diet works!" blabber, there is little my exposing-signature can do.

[amadeus4313]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

When will they learn-when someone finally dies?

"Re:My conclusion about the Kimkins plan 18 Minutes ago
Enough is enough!!!!
Most of us who have no complaints about the Kimkins Weight Loss Plan are truly sick and tired of hearing all this crap repeated
over and over again.
I, as well as others, did not join this Plan because of Kimmer, tho' I feel she is a very nice and generous person for sharing this
Plan with all of us and at a VERY reasonable price.
I know that for me and my fiance' this plan works. It was billed as the Fastest Weight Loss Plan and for us that is exactly what we have found to be true.
I have medical issues that I've been dealing with for several years so apparently smarter than some, I showed this plan to my
doctor and he said go for it. He new exactly what type of a plan it was and had no problems with it at all and is truly excited at my weight loss.
Anyone that did not check with their doctor before doing this eating plan and then began having problems it's YOUR fault not Kimmers or the Plan. Anyone with any sense at all knows that when you start a new eating plan you should ALWAYS check
with your doctor FIRST!
Anyways. I am sick of hearing all the rumors and such repeated here over and over. It's those of you who keep repeating the negativity that are causing problems here now. Stop it!
If you want to discuss all the crap that's going on then go to where it's being discussed and join in to your little heart's desire.
PLEASE leave this site for positive posts, encouragement to those of us who are following the plan and happy with it.
This site is for positive support to all who are doing the plan and wanting to lose weight. As far as I'm concerned this is not
the place for all the negative stuff that is being posted.
I'm glad that the Admins are deleting the negative stuff and locking some of the forums. There are far more happy people
at this site that are doing the Plan and looking for support than there are negative people who all they want to do is rehash the bad. We're, at least I am, tired of it. Please stop or go away, whichever, I truly don't care.
As for Kimmer not using her "real" name... check the posts on these forums. How many are using nick names and not their real names. That's what people do online. It's actually recommended. In an internet class when I was in college our professor said NEVER USE YOUR REAL NAMES ONLINE. There's a reason for that. People who like to cause trouble, nose into peoples private lives cause all sorts of trouble when they get ahold of your real name. No one wants that and I understand perfectly why Kimmer didn't use her real name. Why don't you try using your real name for awhile online and see how you like the crap that winds
up in your email inbox, or the phone calls you begin getting. Use common sense people, for a change.
Those of you who read this and are happy with the Plan you are doing and really don't care about all the negativity, stand up
and say so every chance you get. If we come to the front with the positive just maybe those that can't do anything but
speak negativity will fall away.

Have a wonderful day everyone....."

Kimmer!

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Welcome to all the new members {and future members } of the proud and banned!

I assure you, THAT membership IS lifetime...

[missis36]

Ok I wasn't going to respond as it will only fuel the fire, but that wouldn't be me now would it? You speak of Karma:

The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to others.

Please read that as it's part of the definition of karma. What does this mean, it means karma is not a punishment rather a yin/yang if you will. What you give the world you get. I fight for what is right, I am here to make sure others are not hurt by that woman. Therefore I'm prepared for and even welcome my karma. As in my world caring more about others provides me with peace. Ya dig?

I am mean to Heidi, I am mean to Tippy, and I am puzzled by fawn as I believe (I'm entitled) it's Heidi. They are KNOWINGLY hurting people. And I am KNOWINGLY exposing them for doing so. I would hope with all of my heart that if I began to hurt people or put them in jeopardy someone would expose me. It won't happen though because I do not live my life to hurt people, it is to help people. Sorry for your opinion of this site but you must also understand that of COURSE we are gonna like Ducky he/she's on our side. That's what this is, kind of us against them (kimmer, tippy etal.)

Were we being as mean as you say I would suggest that Heidi drink draino, and charge her for the info. THEN AND ONLY THEN would I be as bad as Heidi.

You are angry that this side of the fight is all ganging up on Kimmer, that's kind of a duh. There are sites that are impartial, however this isn't it. This is the site that wants the truth, and posts the truth, and sometimes the truth just hurts doesn't it.

That about sums up my feelings.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by susique333

Now that I see the Admins over there all spewing "So what if shes a fraud, this diet works!" blabber, there is little my exposing-signature can do.

You know, that is the lamest argument in favor of Kimkins that I have ever heard. Unfortunately, it's the only thing going for it. Yeah, show me one person on earth who wouldn't lose weight eating 500 calories a day! There are lots of ways to lose weight. Results don't make it right or healthy to do it.

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Well, it is with a HEAVY heart that I report to BANNED camp this morning.

OK I said I wasn't gonna post on this thread anymore...... but heyo yes I am a lurking fool. I could NOT LET THIS ONE GO~~~~~~~~~!! I am so about to pee my pants

BANNED CAMP??????????

OK that was GOOD. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:r ofl:

[Peskypict]

Originally Posted by BlueBrooke

I've read all the replies to my posts below this one, but this is the only one I'm going to bother to reply to. I have *much* better things to do -- yes, I do have some obsessions in my life, but LCF isn't one of them. You are all just proving my point, and but don't seem to realize it.

If you'll look at my post, Julia, you will see I have made no accusations against Ducky of any kind. Not one. Nada. Zilch. And yet this is all you have to say? I have to admit, I really didn't expect something like this from you.

I don't need to supply any proof against Ducky because I haven't accused Ducky of anything. Is this your attempt at dismiss and redirect?

I've seen this tactic used before in the "Fascination" threads when someone dares disagree with this group. How funny it would be, two or three pages from now, to see that not only have I accused Ducky of fraud, but I'm also a KK admin! I'm probably the one who mixes the Kool-Aide over there! It's already started, to a certain extent.

Are you all so sure you're "right" that you can't conceive of anyone disagreeing with the tactics used here unless they are "one of them?"

For the record, I don't have anything to do with "Kimmer," other than the fact that I read some of her to see what all the fuss was about when she left last year. I think people should be responsible for what they do -- but I don't think that applies only to "Kimmer," as most here seem to believe. You are not all "above it all" simply because you're on the "right" side today. "Karma" comes up a lot, but y'all seem to think it only applies to "Kimmer" for some reason.

Methinks I struck a nerve.

Okies I have other things to do for the afternoon so good luck to everyone and have a great day! Sorry to dissappoint BlueBrook, but I can't play with her anymore either. Got some prep work I have to do for work.

[Violet Skye]

Originally Posted by cheri

You know... One thing I am worried about is that yes the fake after pictures from the russian site are coming out but that means the before pictures are fake also.. I am wondering if they were taken off weightloss sites.. or maybe webshots since some are obviously not a professional photo. Can you imagine how awful a person would feel if they knew their picture was put with an AFTER weightloss photo? When I realized that my heart started aching for the people in the befores shots. I don't know... realizing that seems like more of an invasion of privacy for the people in the before shots.

I never thought of that - what an insult for these people to be unwittingly used as "befores" in a fraudulent scheme. It's beyond invasion of privacy, because these people are being used as sales tools without consent, and without a share of the profits. Not to mention the inherent diss in being used as a "before". I'm overweight and I know it (since I look in the mirror and am not delusional), but if I found my likeness used in this manner, despite the fact that it's an accurate representation of my current weight at the time the photo was taken, I'd be contacting a lawyer ASAP.

[robsrib]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Question and response from Tippy from my "source"

"Re:Saddened? 1 Hour, 28 Minutes ago
I was with all of you until there was a resent "accident" and I got banned because i got sick(hospitalized) and a post was deleted. Obviously I have been re-instated but I am still waiting for my profile to be fixed and my post re posted. I will hold off comments until then. By the way, my post didnt contain anything negative!
I dont like the faked success stories either. And I dont care who Kimmer is. However, as the little things sstart to add up I am starting to wonder..."


"Re:Saddened? 0 Minutes ago
Well, I have long been sold on the Kimkins diet plans and did lose the last 60+ lbs using them. So yes, for me the diet plans and the success that comes from using them are far more important than the personal life of "Kimmer". If anyone wants to contribute your weight loss success stories and pics from using Kimkins this would sure be a great time to submit them. Please send success stories and pics to webmaster@kimkins.com.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

Thank you all for being so supportive. YOU make the site a success!"

If Heidi aka "Kimmer" had not put her fictional personal life out there to sell a bogus WOE to unsuspecting, overweight people needing help I could agree with TT's point. The "Kimmer" did post pictures which she until recently passed off as herself to sell her product. To say now that it doesn't matter is completely shameful. She used those images and that story along with bogus images and success stories to sell her product, it's all fair game now to challenge her credibilty and that of her program, she opened the door and invited everyone in with her false claims.

Yes, now would be a good time to submit real, verifiable success stories since most the Russian Brides have "left the building" over there.


Here is how the program outline should read:
1) For only $59.95 you have bought a lifetime membership into my lie.
2) You can risk going into starvation mode, diverticulitis, heart palpitations, muscle wasting, thyroid problems, hair loss, malnutrition.....but we don't talk about that here.
3) You can have your lifetime membership revoked for asking questions or making comments that "the great Oz" believes will cause other members to question the validity of this WOE, it's founder and it's founder's claims.
4) $59.95 is a small price to pay for this valuable service, however if you would rather join for free we would be more than happy to have you through your personal website or blog steer more unsuspecting clients our way (based upon your recommendation) and when enough suckers have signed up through your link your membership is free.
5) Should you be successful in your weightloss efforts on this program we would love to post your *pictures on the front page of the website to generate more income for ourselves because we are sorely lacking in real pictures of real people with real stories.
6) If you are not successful we suggest that you cycle with programs that have been proven to be succesful and healthy but bounce back to our program every week or so thus enabling you to claim that your success story is due to the valuable tools and advice you received here.

*Please send them before your hair falls out.

[lisabinil]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

OK I said I wasn't gonna post on this thread anymore...... but heyo yes I am a lurking fool. I could NOT LET THIS ONE GO~~~~~~~~~!! I am so about to pee my pants

BANNED CAMP??????????

OK that was GOOD. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:r ofl:

Sorry bad joke alert-couldn't help myself! Hey have you seen the American Pie movies? We all know what happens in band (I mean banned camp)!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Blue, I fully expect your posts to stay put.

I don't see why they should be removed. Your opinion. I think TOS used as a weapon to shut up dissent is wrong at KK and would be wrong here. Notice it's not the "mean" posts at KK that we are criticizing for being banned. It's the normal asking questions posts. The regular inquiring posts. Simple, normal, non-vindictive posts getting taken off and people getting banned NOT for cussing or picking on someone else, but just for asking stuff.

Here, posts that have been very critical of the LCF tone have stayed put. And been responded to in various ways--some agreed we get too harsh, some say this is a free-for-all sort of thread and the sensitive should stay away.

SinglingLass came to talk about her telephone threats and received support. We agreed. Out of line. Criminal. Should be investigated and prosecuted. We didn't say, "Shut up and get outta here, you henchwoman." No, we listened and her posts stayed put and it was unanimous that the threatening calls were EVIL. We encouraged her to get the baddies and see them before the law.

One example, that.

Whistleblowers, by nature, break organizational rules. That's part of whistleblowing--you ditch confidentiality statements for the greater good. I see the people doing their thing over at KK as whistleblowers. We may disagree, but that's my POV. And just as you have yours, I have mine.

Tyrants are up for ridicule grabs. So are leaders, frankly. Heidi made herself a leader. Purposely. For financial Gain. So...she and the other leaders are totally up for ridicule grabs for supporting a fraudulent site and a perilous plan. Leaders who make themselves targets are fair game. Whether it's a liberal making fun of Bush or a conservative making fun of Hilary or however. Heidi is a tyrant and her henchmen support a bad regime with bad leadership repression, and mocking it is a good ole American form of protest. Well, and English, too.

They mock us, and we're not crying nanny-booboo. :::shrug::: We turn it into badges and art. That's a big difference, too.

Oh, and we didn't perpetrate all-out diet fraud. Yeah.

Notice that among the success stories are still those from people (Deni, Christin, etc) who have asked her to Cease and Desist because they do not support the plan or the system or the founder. Does Kimkins respect THAT? No. So, yeah, diet frauds who lie to get rich and then repress expression of concerns from members get mocked. Rightly so. And The Fawner...well....even the KK members see something's funny with her whizzing about in locked threads to gush about St. Kimmer.

The Princess

This post is just AWESOME!

[susique333]

Quote: Originally Posted by lisabinil
When will they learn-when someone finally dies?


This exact thought has haunted me even when I was in KK and didnt know of this fraud. There are several gals who suddenly quit posting. One in my memory (and anyone with a KK account can go in to read her posts) is a gal on the Egg White Challenge that I followed. She was our cheerleader, lost a huge amount of weight and I really fed off her wonderful enthusiam. Right before she disappeared ( ie left ) , she posted that her husband was starting to get worried about how thin she was. Beth I think her name was. She suddenly quit posting Feb 8th. and some of us worried about what happened to this gal. Some of us would check her profile to see if she was still logging on. Just now I checked and it says she logged on in Sept but still no posts since Feb? The point I have is, if anyone (and Im not saying this gal did) died or got seriously sick due to this diet...how would a Dr./ family put 2 and 2 together? How would anyone link a death back to this faulty plan......?

[JustKim]

IF there is anyone left that can still access over there, could you see if my stuff has finally been erased or IF she pulled another Cheryl and merely "renamed" me?

[shawngal]

Coming out of lurkdom.

I'm a former Kimkins devotee. I fell off the wagon and couple of months ago and when I went to the site a couple of weeks ago, I noticed a lot of my fellow posters missing. A quick google search gave me the shock of my life!

I followed Kimmer/Heidi from here to her new site and stuck around with all the changes and the improved site after the WW article. I noticed that there were some changes to the diet after the WW article and I noticed that the person in the red dress looked NOTHING like the previous photo's of Kimmer/Heidi but pushed my doubts aside.

But now I know the truth and I'm sitting here in disgust and upset with myself for falling for a scammer.

I just posted the following in my journal over there and am now waiting to see how long it takes for me to get banned!

Fake success stories, fake Kimmer, people getting sick right and left. When will people wake up and see Kimmer/Heidi for the fraud she is?????????

People need to start checking their credit reports. Since Heidi is a CONFIRMED fraud, if you gave her your s.s # for the affiliate program, that means she can steal your identity. She's already stolen pictures from numerous sites, why would anyone believe that she wouldn't steal your identity now that the heat is on her!

Please people, don't buy into the scam! We all paid good money to a woman who claimed to be maintaining a nearly 200 pound weight loss using this plan. It's been proven over and over again that she did not and more than likely never lost the weight in the first place. She scammed us all and has been laughing at us all while counting the money she made.

Face it folks, this has all been one big scam and we all fell for it.


I've already tried to get my money back but I'll see if I get it back when they ban me, since I paid for a lifetime membership way back when.

Now, I just need to figure out where to go from here.

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by BlueBrooke

Um no --

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of this group.

"Kimmer" refused to reveal her true identity and incurred the wrath of those who are on the right side. "Ducky," however, is also an unknown, but since "Ducky" is fighting the good fight, no one cares who "Ducky" is.

I'm really surprised I had to explain that one.

Y'all have fun. If I don't bother to post anymore (and who would if it involved explaining stuff like this), you can then high-five each other. It *is* much easier when you just have people who agree with you posting here, isn't it?

Your premise is faulty and so is your logic. You pop on this thread and start throwing around implications of hypocrisy and implying dishonesty, pack mentality and down right stupidity on our part. Your questions/statements are not only irrational but condescending as well. You want no answers because you have them all. You ignore valid points and repeat the same nonsense over and over again and if someone points that out you ignore that too. You want no "discussion" because we are your intellectual inferiors. I'm surprised that you were able to hold your nose long enough to grace us with your presence.

You have been nothing but rude and nasty in your remarks in order to get some reaction that only you know. You did not come to this thread to point out our hypocrisy, you came specifically to call names and point fingers.

Is this the reaction that you were trying to provoke? Well bless your heart and glad I could help!

[CJane]

Originally Posted by LindaJ

I am way behind in reading the Fascination With The Decline Of The Roman Kimpire War And Peace threads ... but has anyone looked close up to see if Lesya's eyes are those weirdly photoshopped triangles?

They are the same eyes, and by copying the pic it loses resolution and becomes less crisp - thus the triangular look in the photo over time (and multiple copies).

The photo is not photoshopped at all.

ETA: I should also say it loses resolution because of resizing that has been done as well. It all adds to the loss of quality.

[Violet Skye]

Originally Posted by susique333

Quote: Originally Posted by lisabinil
When will they learn-when someone finally dies?


This exact thought has haunted me even when I was in KK and didnt know of this fraud. There are several gals who suddenly quit posting. One in my memory (and anyone with a KK account can go in to read her posts) is a gal on the Egg White Challenge that I followed. She was our cheerleader, lost a huge amount of weight and I really fed off her wonderful enthusiam. Right before she disappeared ( ie left ) , she posted that her husband was starting to get worried about how thin she was. Beth I think her name was. She suddenly quit posting Feb 8th. and some of us worried about what happened to this gal. Some of us would check her profile to see if she was still logging on. Just now I checked and it says she logged on in Sept but still no posts since Feb? The point I have is, if anyone (and Im not saying this gal did) died or got seriously sick due to this diet...how would a Dr./ family put 2 and 2 together? How would anyone link a death back to this faulty plan......?

They wouldn't. Unless they knew that there was a high incidence of a particular list of symptoms, all appearing in women whose one common thread was following a vLCD. This is why it is so important to get the message out - we have the data, we have the proof, we have the truth! If we don't speak up as loudly as we can, we're passively endangering the lives of women who have as much to live for as we do. That is why we won't be silenced.

[susique333]

Originally Posted by JustKim

IF there is anyone left that can still access over there, could you see if my stuff has finally been erased or IF she pulled another Cheryl and merely "renamed" me?

Justkim, what is your KK name and I will check. I will check for anyone until they ban me.

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by BlueBrooke

My original post was to point out the hypocrisy of deriding the double standard at KK, while at the same time ignoring the double standard that's being practiced here. And it's not just that -- it's the "we have nothing to hide" stance and the demand for information from "them" that many here aren't willing to divulge about themselves (who is ducky? who cares! s/he's on our side!) -- there's definitely a one-way street being advocated by the people most active in this thread. Oh -- and let's not forget the copyright violations that are still going on here.

If you don't know who Ducky is, you can't say any of those things honestly.

BlueBrooke - I did read your entire post, and although you made no direct accuastion against Ducky, the above is an insinuation, which I challenge you to back up with facts. Otherwise what's your point if not to just throw up a smokescreen?

I have to admit, I really didn't expect something like this from you.

You didn't expect whatfrom me? A reasonable argument against very low calorie diets? Resentment for the fact that Kimmer scammed innocent people? If you ever read any of the exchanges between Kimmer and I on this board when she was here you would not be surprised. The only thing she and I ever agreed on was that calories DO count.

I do agree that some of the posts on these Fascination threads have been pretty nasty, but people have been hurt by Kimmer. They're angry, and they have a right to be angry. I have also seen a lot of good discussion, welcomes for people who want to recover from doing Kimkins, and support for anyone who wants to lose weight. You want us to give Kimmer credit for her helpful advice and support, but you don't want to give the same credit to the people on this thread.