Why the fascination with Kimmer? #6 - Page 5

kakay · 10-04-2007, 11:16 PM

You sure are some posting gals. I been trying to just stay caught up. Been sort of out of commission with a migraine, plus went to get my hair cut today. SO goes to prove I can step away from my computer and shows I am not a drunk

Sorry just had to add that tidbit. You have all done so good with finding the fake success picts. <y friend has been at it all day. Says she will probably pass out if she finds the red dress one. I also think this change of owners is something they are using to try and get Kimmer(heidi) Secret agent, out of trouble, BUT IT WONT HAPPEN. Too little too late on that. Too much has already been copied and they have it in the authorities hands. So good try kimkins owner , who ever you may be. But we all did say it seemed as tho tippy had already taken it over. She is improving the site!

They get more crazy all the time. And all the times I used to talk to tippy I thought she was more intelligent than that. Man was I ever wrong. Keep up the good work ladies and ducks. QUACK!

KimPossible · 10-04-2007, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

posted just before you with Deni's list of could be fake folk and the same questions

Misty, is a real story. So she's confirmed as real.

kakay · 10-04-2007, 11:25 PM

Honey bee sweetie, your poor duckie looks so tired and sleepy.

I mean look at her eyes. And I know you have got to be exhausted. You been one busy honey bee, but you did find honey for the hive. LOL! I wanted to stay last night and help but thats when the migraine hit so I left the work to you gals, since you are soo good at it. I know if the red dress woman is alive yal will find her, dont give up. That is needed in court. I still dont understand why some one would say look for a dead person? And how would that be possible?

mimi · 10-04-2007, 11:31 PM

michalle we are looking at your post count now

Mayberryfan · 10-04-2007, 11:32 PM

News letter stuff-

I realize these newletters and things such as the "foster kids fundraiser" have been discussed before. I just can't believe with all the site scrubbing that's going on over there that they haven't gotten rid of that stuff too!

Oh and someone back a few dozen (hundred? thousand?) posts was asking for copies of the newsletter. Perhaps this will help them.

Nighty-night y'all! ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

kakay · 10-04-2007, 11:33 PM

MIMI u sweet thang!

Michalle · 10-04-2007, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimi

michalle we are looking at your post count now

Oh sorry!! I didn't really mean to bother anyone!! I thought there might be a simple answer!! Thank you in advance though!!

ETA: The count is going up now!

Antigone · 10-04-2007, 11:38 PM

A fresh thread wow!

KimPossible · 10-04-2007, 11:40 PM

Oh man! If I go to bed--how many pages will this be...Keep it to 3, 4, tops? No red dress pics tonight--I will look tomorrow if you promise not to post it! LOL I have looked at so many russian brides I think I'll have dreams of them! LOL Nite all!

cheri · 10-04-2007, 11:44 PM

Michelle when you posted about not being able to get your avatar in and then got it to work your post was deleted to shorten the thread as at that time we were taking all non topic posts off the threads. You had posted 16 times and had 3 deleted way back in the 3rd fascination thread.. you should see your post count going up each time now.

And its no bother sweetie.. I am just letting ya know.

mimi · 10-04-2007, 11:44 PM

hiya kaykay!!!!! just got home from work!!! catchin up! Didn't mean to startle Michalle, just tryin to help her get straightened out! Luv to the Babes ! See ya in chat!

Michalle · 10-04-2007, 11:49 PM

Thank you Cheri and Mimi! I appreciate you looking into this for me!! Thank you all for making me feel so welcome here!!

HoneyBee2 · 10-04-2007, 11:53 PM

Based on what I saw on kimkins these are the ones that need to be found. Use the link for the pics not showing because I was trying to save space. The ones under true are that true success stories- If someone knows that a story is real and we have it as being a possible false let us know!

Bonnie Kimkins

Kimkins

Destiny kimkins
Kimkins

Mariasol kimkins
Kimkins

Elizabeth Kimkins

Kimkins

Stefania Kimkins

Kimkins

Pam Kimkins

Is this one real???
Kimkins

Kandi Kimkins 48
Kimkins

Bud52
Kimkins

Al Kimkins-26
Kimkins

Rob Kimkins03

Kimkins

Amy b-Kimkins
Celeste kimkins 09
Kimkins

Angela kimkins 38
Kimkins

Lisa V41
Kimkins

Greg
Kimkins

Gretchen-???
Kimkins

Claudia-???
Kimkins

Linda-???
Kimkins

ALL THE STORIES BELOW ARE TRUE

*Deni (me)
*Christin
*Rick
*Carolyn
*Lei Lei
*Tana
*Jeannie B
*cheryl A
*Rebecca
*Diane M
*Kim T
*Sharon
J*ennifer P
*Amy B
*Misty
*Kelly

Princess Dieter · 10-04-2007, 11:56 PM

I can't believe that poster who says Kimkins is common sense. No, it's not. If it were common, everyone would be starved to bony slenderness. Eating 500 calories and not eating a proper amount of produce and essential fats is hardly common sense. It's desperation sense, maybe...

One of those posts sounded like Kimmer-speak--that bit about gastric bypass, etc.

And what loony-ball doctor is running-with-scissors/Melissa going to who gives the thumbs up to a plan that has VLC and drastically severe produce restriction? Any doctor would know that the plan would not be enough to stimulate proper bowel movements or provide essential minerals and nutrients. Well, any doctor who's not a negligent schlump.

Either that testimony is false, Melissa is fibbing to her doctor or is not really following Kimkins, or the doctor is incompetent or trained in some alternate reality where 500 calories is actually 1500, and a cup of spinach is actually three cups of assorted valuable veggies.

Color me skeptical about these claims.

But I'm glad the KK crowd is getting restless. Of course, it still astounds me that any of them hang around rather than asking for refunds and running for the hills.

Amazing. And with Kimmer doing just what she said she'd do--leave and let the bag be held by those left behind. And there they are, the bag holders, milling around saying, "Nothing to see here, move along. Nothing to see here," while Rome burns.

The Princess

HoneyBee2 · 10-04-2007, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kakay

Honey bee sweetie, your poor duckie looks so tired and sleepy.

I mean look at her eyes. And I know you have got to be exhausted. You been one busy honey bee, but you did find honey for the hive. LOL! I wanted to stay last night and help but thats when the migraine hit so I left the work to you gals, since you are soo good at it. I know if the red dress woman is alive yal will find her, dont give up. That is needed in court. I still dont understand why some one would say look for a dead person? And how would that be possible?

Kakay-

You are a sweetie. I am sorry to hear about a migraine when those strike you are at their mercy. So I hope you are doing better.
I just posted a list of stories I identified as questionable....I am working on the blog but I wanted to get this up too.

HoneyBee2 · 10-05-2007, 12:00 AM

I am working on setting up the blog here with the confirmed fraudulent pics and I will put this list with all the ??? pics there, but thought it would help to have it here for searching.

Did someone get a list of websites for reviewing together so I can add them to the blog that would be great....hitting the blog......

chessie101 · 10-05-2007, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Based on what I saw on kimkins these are the ones that need to be found. Use the link for the pics not showing because I was trying to save space. The ones under true are that true success stories- If someone knows that a story is real and we have it as being a possible false let us know! (snip)

Thanks for this, HoneyBee! You're amazing.

Princess Dieter · 10-05-2007, 12:05 AM

Is there a place where the "Russian" sites are listed, so we can search?

I have a little time before bed, and I'll go a-hunting.

The Princess

golite · 10-05-2007, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneyearsweet

Wow! You guys are good! How did you think to look there lol! Sorry, I'm trying to catch up!

Caro/Cilantro found the first one and kiki posted her find here and that got us started.

Many of us found several of the fakes, but some posters-who-never-sleep-and-will-remain-nameless, get them posted up pretty fast and have outdone themselves! (and me)

Nite girls.....

McLurkypants · 10-05-2007, 12:56 AM

Well we're making a bit of progress. The status of the Kimkins Controversy article on WIkipedia has now been changed from "tagged for speedy deletion" to "proposed delete."

According to an Admin on the article's talk page, "It requires actual published third party sources to suppprt this. I do not think BBB is sufficient--therw must at least be newspaper articles showing that the scam is notable. Changed to proposeddeletion to give a few days to find them."

If you click on the article itself, right now it says this at the top:

It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern:

apparent scam, but with no truly adequate sources for the allegations

If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to its deletion for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, it should not be replaced.

The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for five days.Prod, concern: apparent scam, but with no truly adequate sources for the allegations This template was added 2007-10-05 07:29; five days from then is 2007-10-10 07:29.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article so that it is acceptable according to the deletion policy.

Further guidance is provided on the page about verifiability:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed.

Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies. The others include Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles. They should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should try to familiarize themselves with all three.

Personally, I think the KTLA links to the broadcasts and the About.com links should be more than sufficient. But at this time, they are not considered to be. So! The mission, if we choose to accept it, is to provide links to more credible, verifiable sources. Blogs, even first-hand accounts of incidents, basically don't count, by the way.

Time for me to hit the hay & I have a busy work day tomorrow - the Wikipedia article is HERE. Have at it, yall!

And just to be clear, I have NO vested interest in what I have written there now remaining. Seriously, feel free to edit it beyond recognition, or to delete it entirely and replace it with something that passes muster. I have written to Martin at Slamboard and invited him to resubmit the article he apparently attempted to post on this several weeks ago.

Diana · 10-05-2007, 02:49 AM

Ok so now she is claiming to "sell" it... we know better... though it's a nice trick... it's too late Kimmer/Heidi.... We have all the screen shots/emails/PMs/witnesses/documents that we need... You maybe smart, but your not that smart!!

CanadaCatherine · 10-05-2007, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

I have written to Martin at Slamboard and invited him to resubmit the article he apparently attempted to post on this several weeks ago.

The Wikipedia article is awesome

If someone tried to submit an article several weeks ago, it wasn't Martin. I think he edited the old Kimkins article back before it was deleted once or twice to remove the hypertext link to Kimkins.com, that's it. He and I are both quite busy with our own work. We have just enough time to keep up with what is going on and sometimes provide a little info here and there when it will help. But almost all of the hard work that has been done has been done by all the other very dedicated people

centralpa · 10-05-2007, 03:03 AM

QUESTION: What is Heidi/Kimmer's next scam? Bet it's already underway ...

Who is Kimmer posing as on this board?? Bet she just can't resist ... !!!

cheers,
Wendy

Diana · 10-05-2007, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by centralpa

QUESTION: What is Heidi/Kimmer's next scam? Bet it's already underway ...

Who is Kimmer posing as on this board?? Bet she just can't resist ... !!!

cheers,
Wendy

I don't think she is... she was banned, though I bet she will/has tried to register as someone else... We know she lurks here...

freyamoon · 10-05-2007, 03:48 AM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

This is the Internet Archive of Kimkins.com. She can remove image links, but all text will still be there. There is nothing she can do about that.

Pam in TX · 10-05-2007, 04:02 AM

Well, the last thread certainly didn't take long to "fill up"......

Y'all are amazing with all of the pictures you have found.....

back to lurking and reading......

10-04-2007, 11:16 PM	#121
kakay Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 292 Gallery: kakay WOE: Atkins Start Date: July 2003	You sure are some posting gals. I been trying to just stay caught up. Been sort of out of commission with a migraine, plus went to get my hair cut today. SO goes to prove I can step away from my computer and shows I am not a drunk Sorry just had to add that tidbit. You have all done so good with finding the fake success picts. <y friend has been at it all day. Says she will probably pass out if she finds the red dress one. I also think this change of owners is something they are using to try and get Kimmer(heidi) Secret agent, out of trouble, BUT IT WONT HAPPEN. Too little too late on that. Too much has already been copied and they have it in the authorities hands. So good try kimkins owner , who ever you may be. But we all did say it seemed as tho tippy had already taken it over. She is improving the site! They get more crazy all the time. And all the times I used to talk to tippy I thought she was more intelligent than that. Man was I ever wrong. Keep up the good work ladies and ducks. QUACK! __________________ Famous Banta Babe and PROUD Of It

10-04-2007, 11:25 PM	#123
kakay Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 292 Gallery: kakay WOE: Atkins Start Date: July 2003	Honey bee sweetie, your poor duckie looks so tired and sleepy.I mean look at her eyes. And I know you have got to be exhausted. You been one busy honey bee, but you did find honey for the hive. LOL! I wanted to stay last night and help but thats when the migraine hit so I left the work to you gals, since you are soo good at it. I know if the red dress woman is alive yal will find her, dont give up. That is needed in court. I still dont understand why some one would say look for a dead person? And how would that be possible?

10-04-2007, 11:53 PM	#133
HoneyBee2 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Your Bonnet Posts: 2,407 Blog Entries: 4 Gallery: HoneyBee2 Stats: Bored Housewife...Right :) WOE: Honey	PICS TO BE LOOKING FOR Based on what I saw on kimkins these are the ones that need to be found. Use the link for the pics not showing because I was trying to save space. The ones under true are that true success stories- If someone knows that a story is real and we have it as being a possible false let us know! Bonnie Kimkins Kimkins Destiny kimkins Kimkins Mariasol kimkins Kimkins Elizabeth Kimkins Kimkins Stefania Kimkins Kimkins Pam Kimkins Is this one real??? Kimkins Kandi Kimkins 48 Kimkins Bud52 Kimkins Al Kimkins-26 Kimkins Rob Kimkins03 Kimkins Amy b-Kimkins Celeste kimkins 09 Kimkins Angela kimkins 38 Kimkins Lisa V41 Kimkins Greg Kimkins Gretchen-??? Kimkins Claudia-??? Kimkins Linda-??? Kimkins ALL THE STORIES BELOW ARE TRUE Deni (me) Christin Rick Carolyn Lei Lei Tana Jeannie B cheryl A Rebecca Diane M Kim T Sharon Jennifer P Amy B Misty Kelly __________________ HoneyBee My Blog-HoneyBee's blog My Blog-I am Not Ready to Make Nice __________________________________

10-04-2007, 11:56 PM	#134
Princess Dieter Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 187 Gallery: Princess Dieter Stats: 299/271/160	I can't believe that poster who says Kimkins is common sense. No, it's not. If it were common, everyone would be starved to bony slenderness. Eating 500 calories and not eating a proper amount of produce and essential fats is hardly common sense. It's desperation sense, maybe... One of those posts sounded like Kimmer-speak--that bit about gastric bypass, etc. And what loony-ball doctor is running-with-scissors/Melissa going to who gives the thumbs up to a plan that has VLC and drastically severe produce restriction? Any doctor would know that the plan would not be enough to stimulate proper bowel movements or provide essential minerals and nutrients. Well, any doctor who's not a negligent schlump. Either that testimony is false, Melissa is fibbing to her doctor or is not really following Kimkins, or the doctor is incompetent or trained in some alternate reality where 500 calories is actually 1500, and a cup of spinach is actually three cups of assorted valuable veggies. Color me skeptical about these claims. But I'm glad the KK crowd is getting restless. Of course, it still astounds me that any of them hang around rather than asking for refunds and running for the hills. Amazing. And with Kimmer doing just what she said she'd do--leave and let the bag be held by those left behind. And there they are, the bag holders, milling around saying, "Nothing to see here, move along. Nothing to see here," while Rome burns. The Princess __________________ The Princess Once Upon a Diet

10-05-2007, 12:56 AM	#140
McLurkypants Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 143 Gallery: McLurkypants Stats: WLS 3/28/05 351/175/175 WOE: Protein forward Start Date: 3/28/05	Kimkins Controversy on Wikipedia Well we're making a bit of progress. The status of the Kimkins Controversy article on WIkipedia has now been changed from "tagged for speedy deletion" to "proposed delete." According to an Admin on the article's talk page, "It requires actual published third party sources to suppprt this. I do not think BBB is sufficient--therw must at least be newspaper articles showing that the scam is notable. Changed to proposeddeletion to give a few days to find them." If you click on the article itself, right now it says this at the top: It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern: apparent scam, but with no truly adequate sources for the allegations If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to its deletion for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, it should not be replaced. The article may be deleted if this message remains in place for five days.Prod, concern: apparent scam, but with no truly adequate sources for the allegations This template was added 2007-10-05 07:29; five days from then is 2007-10-10 07:29. If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article so that it is acceptable according to the deletion policy. Further guidance is provided on the page about verifiability: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies. The others include Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles. They should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should try to familiarize themselves with all three. Personally, I think the KTLA links to the broadcasts and the About.com links should be more than sufficient. But at this time, they are not considered to be. So! The mission, if we choose to accept it, is to provide links to more credible, verifiable sources. Blogs, even first-hand accounts of incidents, basically don't count, by the way. Time for me to hit the hay & I have a busy work day tomorrow - the Wikipedia article is HERE. Have at it, yall! And just to be clear, I have NO vested interest in what I have written there now remaining. Seriously, feel free to edit it beyond recognition, or to delete it entirely and replace it with something that passes muster. I have written to Martin at Slamboard and invited him to resubmit the article he apparently attempted to post on this several weeks ago.

10-04-2007, 11:31 PM	#124
mimi Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 'the 24' Posts: 724 Gallery: mimi Stats: lost 100+ currently don't obsess at the scale WOE: Atkins OWL Start Date: 7/5/03	michalle we are looking at your post count now

10-04-2007, 11:32 PM	#125
Mayberryfan MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,365 Gallery: Mayberryfan Stats: 255/204/150 WOE: PPLP Start Date: June 6, 2007	News letter stuff- I realize these newletters and things such as the "foster kids fundraiser" have been discussed before. I just can't believe with all the site scrubbing that's going on over there that they haven't gotten rid of that stuff too! Oh and someone back a few dozen (hundred? thousand?) posts was asking for copies of the newsletter. Perhaps this will help them. Nighty-night y'all! ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

10-04-2007, 11:33 PM	#126
kakay Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 292 Gallery: kakay WOE: Atkins Start Date: July 2003	MIMI u sweet thang!

10-04-2007, 11:38 PM	#128
Antigone MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 1,451 Gallery: Antigone Stats: 220/195/130 WOE: Atkins Induction Start Date: April 16, 2008 (restart for the nth time)	A fresh thread wow!

10-04-2007, 11:40 PM	#129
KimPossible Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arkansas--yes that is a state! :-) Posts: 458 Gallery: KimPossible Stats: 201.5/157.5/125 WOE: Atkins Start Date: August 2006	Oh man! If I go to bed--how many pages will this be...Keep it to 3, 4, tops? No red dress pics tonight--I will look tomorrow if you promise not to post it! LOL I have looked at so many russian brides I think I'll have dreams of them! LOL Nite all!

10-04-2007, 11:44 PM	#130
cheri Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 15,249 Gallery: cheri Stats: Over 130 pounds lost!	Michelle when you posted about not being able to get your avatar in and then got it to work your post was deleted to shorten the thread as at that time we were taking all non topic posts off the threads. You had posted 16 times and had 3 deleted way back in the 3rd fascination thread.. you should see your post count going up each time now. And its no bother sweetie.. I am just letting ya know.

10-04-2007, 11:44 PM	#131
mimi Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 'the 24' Posts: 724 Gallery: mimi Stats: lost 100+ currently don't obsess at the scale WOE: Atkins OWL Start Date: 7/5/03	hiya kaykay!!!!! just got home from work!!! catchin up! Didn't mean to startle Michalle, just tryin to help her get straightened out! Luv to the Babes ! See ya in chat!

10-04-2007, 11:49 PM	#132
Michalle Junior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54 Gallery: Michalle	Thank you Cheri and Mimi! I appreciate you looking into this for me!! Thank you all for making me feel so welcome here!!

10-05-2007, 12:00 AM	#136
HoneyBee2 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Your Bonnet Posts: 2,407 Blog Entries: 4 Gallery: HoneyBee2 Stats: Bored Housewife...Right :) WOE: Honey	I am working on setting up the blog here with the confirmed fraudulent pics and I will put this list with all the ??? pics there, but thought it would help to have it here for searching. Did someone get a list of websites for reviewing together so I can add them to the blog that would be great....hitting the blog......

10-05-2007, 12:05 AM	#138
Princess Dieter Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 187 Gallery: Princess Dieter Stats: 299/271/160	Is there a place where the "Russian" sites are listed, so we can search? I have a little time before bed, and I'll go a-hunting. The Princess

10-05-2007, 02:49 AM	#141
Diana Allergic to Carbs- I break out in Fat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anderson, Indiana Posts: 33,351 Gallery: Diana Stats: 176.5/138.8/134 (5'3") WOE: Atkins Start Date: 8/11/03 Restart 4/08	Ok so now she is claiming to "sell" it... we know better... though it's a nice trick... it's too late Kimmer/Heidi.... We have all the screen shots/emails/PMs/witnesses/documents that we need... You maybe smart, but your not that smart!!

10-05-2007, 03:03 AM	#143
centralpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: upstate NY Posts: 3,151 Gallery: centralpa	QUESTION: What is Heidi/Kimmer's next scam? Bet it's already underway ... Who is Kimmer posing as on this board?? Bet she just can't resist ... !!! cheers, Wendy

10-05-2007, 03:48 AM	#145
freyamoon Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 201 Gallery: freyamoon WOE: VERY low carb(added fiber)good fats only!	The Way Back Machine Internet Archive Wayback Machine This is the Internet Archive of Kimkins.com. She can remove image links, but all text will still be there. There is nothing she can do about that.

10-05-2007, 04:02 AM	#146
Pam in TX Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,835 Gallery: Pam in TX Stats: 292/212/??? WOE: LowCarb Start Date: June 21, 2004	Well, the last thread certainly didn't take long to "fill up"...... Y'all are amazing with all of the pictures you have found..... back to lurking and reading......