Why the fascination with Kimmer? #6

[AmyJuli]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Kimkins is to me more about the people in there.

The people in there are still the same people if you move to another support site or start a yahoo or ezboard group. You can support eachother without fear of accidentally ticking off one of the nutty admins and being unceremoniously banned. And you can support eachother without the cloud of a fraudulent beginnings over your heads.

[AmyJuli]

Originally Posted by golite

Still not seeing it!

On the black shirt there are white squares. In the white squares are zebras.

[Trisha29040]

Originally Posted by golite

What zebra print is everyone talking about anyway? I've never seen it.

If you look at the pattern there's a zebra on her blouse. Not really "zebra print". It's the Jaclyn Smith pic. She's in the chair with white pants.

[Mayberryfan]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by kakay
Hi ya honeybee. So far no more migraines, THANK GOODNESS, altho I do have a head ache nearly every day of my life since my dad died. But its ok I will finally become acustomed to them. Have you gotten any rest since the red dress has been found? I sure hope so. You have all been working so hard. Any news if there will be another news story on the red dress woman being found?

Just wanted to add my here. I too suffer from headaches nearly every single day and have about 4 - 6 whopper migraines a month - SUCKS! I am waiting very patiently for the moment botox is finally approved for migraine treatment! I think that is what is going to be on my Christmas list this year with or without insurance coverage.[/quote]

Boogie & Kakay~ I'm playing catch-up as usual but I had to jump in here about migraines. They're horrible! I used to have cluster migraines 2-3 times per week and took enough imitrex and zomig to fill a battleship fighting them. I even went to one doctor who gave me a shot in the back of my head to fight them (yeah, it was as much fun as it sounds!)

Anyway, I found that taking calcium, magnesium and potassium every day religiously has stopped my migraines! I haven't had one in a couple of years now. Check with you doctor and make sure it's okay, but I take a 600mg calcium citrate, 2 99mg potassium, and 2-3 250mg magnesium a day and it works great.

OT, but worthwhile info. Btw, I will give you lifetime membership in my migraine support group for the low, low price of $59.95. (Smarta$$ comment brought to by an official member of the KK's Banned Camp!)

[jayed]

Originally Posted by golite

Still not seeing it!

I'm sorry, you're looking for zebra stripes aren't you? There are pictures of zebras on the shirt. Sorry about that.

[AmyJuli]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I'm almost positive NO one from here notified that site..... Sounds like someone else was involved in that scenario. Wanted to proof to poof (like being banned and posts disappearing)...

I can see how someone might think they were doing our cause a favor by notifying the rightful owner of the pictures without considering the possibility that the bride site wasn't actually the rightful owner in the first place.

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I'm almost positive NO one from here notified that site..... Sounds like someone else was involved in that scenario. Wanted to proof to poof (like being banned and posts disappearing)...

Thanks Cheryl... it's just too convenient at this time.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Kimkins is to me more about the people in there.

I understand this sentiment. It was what made it so hard for me to leave. Luckily, most, if not all, of the people I became friends with have left and are posting elsewhere. We've been able to reform our support group without continuing to patronize the website of a scam artist. I hope you can do the same.

[BamaGal]

This is the pic we are looking for now---I thought since Kimmer used a dating site for all her other pics maybe she used another dating site for this one--I've been checking match.com---and have found a couple of maybes---but this pic is older so the person may not even be on there any more or they have changed their look--but here are the 2 maybes so far


WLH




lady_bb


I'm looking at the stock photos right now---on the site someone else suggested earlier--but what o y'all think of these 2

also had to sign up to look at all photos from each match---tried using Kimmer--surprise--NOT---it was already taken

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by Maid of Erin

The grainy pic where she is wearing a white blouse and sitting down was the one Hector said was a very old, but real pic of Kimmer.

The one with the zebra shirt has not been found to my knowledge.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

KarenG,

There has been some debate about the fat levels on atkins. Personally for me, exposure to long term excessive fat has made me break out like a teenager.

I'm not Karen, sorry. But I do know that I started Atkins with a bang, and eventually got sick of eating too much fat. But I did lose a lot of weight. Now that I'm again picking up just above where I left off (lost 80, gained 20, now down 23#), I'm a bit more respectful of the VEGGIES he told us to add back. But my fat intake will still freak you out.

Anyway, anyone here can keep looking, and eventually we all find the doctor who tells us what we want to hear.

I live where doctors are scarce as hen's teeth. Many people here have no PCP. Mine doesn't mention my weight, just my refusal to take drugs. Like you stated, it's my life and I've done enough research to be comfortable with my supplements.

I did not feel good eating more fat. I did what felt good. I then was sure to cover my arse when something changed that didn't seem right. Hence, upping the supplements.

It's called - listening to your body. Some people are in such deep ketosis that they think they're listening to No Hunger signals, when, in fact, they're totally ignoring their bodies' feeble but insistent cries for food.

I think Krazy Kimmer came across something, no not starvation, but there is a line which has given some of us success. That immediate result (which is substantial) can be a great motivator.
There are things that can be learned as a positive result. Perhaps a happy fusion of low carb, low fat, high supplement, and light fitness plan (geeze, sounds too much like a diet).

It does. There are lots of saner ones out there than Kimkins.

And what about all the studies they are doing now with people really reducing their caloric intake below normal to extent their life span??? Will scientist change their mind about what should be normal?

Ah yes, those "life extension" studies. Read some interesting results on the BBC health pages about a month ago. A reporter interviewed some practitioners of the method. One chap had lost INCHES in height (something incredible - like about 10!) due to severe osteoporosis, and his buddy had lost 5 or 6 in a year. They had lost all sexual desire - good thing, too, because their "equipment' failed. I'm not sure if hair loss was mentioned, but from the sounds of it, the only good thing about their plan was The End.
Maybe I'll see if I can find it again. In the meantime,here's some of the cons against following the 50% restriction of calories in the Life Extension mode: (from Wickipedia):
Calorie restriction

Main article: Calorie restriction

Despite the results on yeast, fruit flies and nematodes, criticisms have been raised that the results of calorie restriction experiments on laboratory rats are not generalizable because years of inbreeding have made these animals different from those found in the wild. Even if it is conceded that the rat work may be generalizable to some extent, some argue that the results are applicable only to short-lived species that have evolved to respond to feast and famine with alterations in longevity. Proving that the results are generalizable in a way that encourages hope of extended life for human beings is difficult, because experiments with long-lived species necessarily take a very long time to perform.

Scientists have varying theories on why calorie restriction experiments would increase the life spans of the animals who have been tested with it besides the calories being reduced. These include the habitat, the genetic line of the test subjects, and the nutritional content of the animal's diets, and the frequencies of feeding. Some critics observe that the test animals are not exposed to the same stresses that humans are in everyday life in modern environments, which may give humans a greater need for the calories. "

After reading that BBC article, I think even Kimkins at the 800 calories level is a saner practice, and Kimkins is unacceptably devoid of nutrients and nutritional supplementation.

[Maid of Erin]

A pic of Dr. Nick has just been found. Shame on you all for thinking he wasn't real!

[Willows_way]

Hello,

I joined kimkins.com back in June, tried the diet for a month, and suffered bad bouts of vertigo as a result. Also, a few weeks after stopping kimkins, my hair started falling out at an alarming rate.

I printed off the diet plans and took them to my doctor (along with a food diary of what I had been consuming). My doctor advised that I was starving myself and that vertigo was my body's way of warning me that something was wrong. He told me that if I wanted to do low-carb, that was fine and to stick with a sensible plan such as Atkins.

I e-mailed kimkins.com support with my story and requested a refund. Kimmer herself replied via e-mail:

Hello,

I'm sorry but the Kimkins lifetime membership program is electronic media and non-refundable.

You've had access to the Kimkins program including the diet, diet variations, food lists,
grocery lists, weight loss resource links, recipe files, community support forums and certified
athletic trainer for many months.

Your doctor can modify the plan for your needs.

Best regards,

Kimmer

I e-mailed her back and said that if my doctor modified the plan, it wouldn't be "kimkins" anymore. I gave her my IP address and told her to check her weblogs...I only logged into the site once back in June and then again to open a support ticket requesting a refund. I never even used the forums.

Athletic trainer? I somehow missed that perk.

Wow...I was a fool. I wish I would have found LCF first. I sure received my money's worth.

I also wanted to let you all know that even tho Kimmer is busy trying to erase her tracks (the b&a photos, etc.), the deceitful web she hath woven is big...her Technorati web profile still shows the red dress pic:

Kimmer on Technorati

Take care,

Willow

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by jayed

The zebra print was the second attempt at an after picture.

No one will ever convince me Zebra Gal is Heidi. That's REAL hair, not a wig. That's not Heidi's smile, etc.

I did see a mention of the snapshot pic of the gal with bangs being conjectured to be Heidi at a younger age. It's not utterly inconceivable.

Still, I'm not trusting ANY of Heidi's pics where people look like they are uber-cute and have real hair. She has fibbed on that matter too much. ::::skeptic:::: When did she lose her tresses? The gal sitting on the couch has natural hair (that's no wig). And the front teeth don't seem "gapped" the way the later pic with her son shows. And the eyes seem wider-set and the smile seems different in shape. Of course, aging changes some of the face's details. Color me unconvinced about white shirt pic, though not 100% (maybe 75%). Who got this comment from Hector?

Okay, so maybe Heidi actually was way cuter once. A LONG TIME AGO....

THIS WOMAN--click for a good close-up of Heidi's smile: http://www.slamboard.com/wp-content/...mer-before.jpg

Ain't the woman in the print-shirt below, and we know she isn't Lesya:


The Princess

[MissMerize]

GinaC,

Maybe it's just me, but it seemed the pack of wolves I was following was tweeking left and right. We encouraged it amongst each other. So maybe because things continued to work for me I strayed unknowingly from the Kimmer Commandments.

I did share the supplements with others. I had posted my initial feelings (need for more pep), and upon waiting for responses I took it upon myself to research and find my own answers. Of course I shared what I had found. I also tried to make it clear that my problems and how I fixed them were my choices, and that everyone is different. Different people will have different results and reactions to everything.

So I believe question 3 is dismissed.

Anyway, There is a great bunch of people in there (that need help). I can do more good inside than I could if I were booted from the site.
I'm anxious to see what it evolves into, I think it will improve.

Should everything go in the crapper, well, I took from it only what I needed. It served it's purpose.

[cgkane]

Okay- after not having access to the computer yesterday, I believe I am caught up.

Happy Birthday HoneyBee!
I'm a Libra too.

I'll try my hand at looking for some more fake pics later tonight. Need to give my eyes a rest from playing catch-up. LOL

[ixtapacheryl]

"Originally Posted by lisabinil View Post
Just posted by "Dr." Mark

"Re:Introducing Dr. Mark? 1 Minute ago
Yep,
No MD.

In 1995 I reached a point in my career where I needed more license and credentials to treat patients the way I wanted and write to the audience I was attracting.
My first choice was D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathy. I found, to my dismay, all of the D.O. shools in the U.S. basically mirror MD programs. In the early 70's the AMA found the D.O. License was as powerful as the MD. They approached all US schools and basically said "change your curriculum or lose your accreditation". Most changed or closed.

MD - Thought about it but did not want to be indoctrinated into the "Drugs and Surgery" model of medicine. Can you blame the MD though? The do internships and residencies in emergency room settings. If I have a knife sticking out of me the last thing I want is some herbs or acupuncture.

DC- Chiropractor - seemed a little too limiting in scope for me.

What I decided upon was Doctor of Oriental Medicine with a License as Acupuncture Physician.
As a primary care physician, my license covers everything except pre_script_ion drugs and surgery. Including, but not limited to, all physical medicine, rehabilitation, internal medicine, acupuncture, imaging and labs, injection of natural substances, nutrition and life_style_ counseling, additionology, herbology and medicinal meal (1000 hours) etc. etc. etc.....

Only problem was I was petrified of needles!! Got over it soon though and love what I do.

In Short
I am not an MD but know both sides of the fence.
My education covered every internal medical category from both eastern and western perspectives.

I hope everyone will take advantage of my 19 years of experience and excellent research skills. I am here for you.

Dr. Mark"

So let me see if I understand this ..... Dr. Mark is "not an MD" BUT he is a DOCTOR? :confused :

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

No one will ever convince me Zebra Gal is Heidi. That's REAL hair, not a wig. That's not Heidi's smile, etc.

I did see a mention of the snapshot pic of the gal with bangs being conjectured to be Heidi at a younger age. It's not utterly inconceivable.

Still, I'm not trusting ANY of Heidi's pics where people look like they are uber-cute and have real hair. She has fibbed on that matter too much. ::::skeptic:::: When did she lose her tresses? The gal sitting on the couch has natural hair (that's no wig). And the front teeth don't seem "gapped" the way the later pic with her son shows. And the eyes seem wider-set and the smile seems different in shape. Of course, aging changes some of the face's details. Color me unconvinced about white shirt pic, though not 100% (maybe 75%). Who got this comment from Hector?

Okay, so maybe Heidi actually was way cuter once. A LONG TIME AGO....

Agreed, the zebra shirt is not Heidi. I'm guessing it's a stock photo or catalog picture. I believe Jeanessa spoke with Hector and he stated the woman in the white shirt is Heidi from when she was in her 20's. Possibly dated around the time of her wedding. Maybe Nessa will chime in if she gets a chance.

[golite]

Originally Posted by Trisha29040

If you look at the pattern there's a zebra on her blouse. Not really "zebra print". It's the Jaclyn Smith pic. She's in the chair with white pants.

There is also a giraffe and a monkey on that blouse!

Now I know who NOT to ask for fashion advice!

We originally called that the lawn chair pic, I don't know who changed it to zebra??????

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Willows_way

Hello,

I joined kimkins.com back in June, tried the diet for a month, and suffered bad bouts of vertigo as a result. Also, a few weeks after stopping kimkins, my hair started falling out at an alarming rate.

I printed off the diet plans and took them to my doctor (along with a food diary of what I had been consuming). My doctor advised that I was starving myself and that vertigo was my body's way of warning me that something was wrong. He told me that if I wanted to do low-carb, that was fine and to stick with a sensible plan such as Atkins.

I e-mailed kimkins.com support with my story and requested a refund. Kimmer herself replied via e-mail:

Hello,

I'm sorry but the Kimkins lifetime membership program is electronic media and non-refundable.

You've had access to the Kimkins program including the diet, diet variations, food lists,
grocery lists, weight loss resource links, recipe files, community support forums and certified
athletic trainer for many months.

Your doctor can modify the plan for your needs.

Best regards,

Kimmer

I e-mailed her back and said that if my doctor modified the plan, it wouldn't be "kimkins" anymore. I gave her my IP address and told her to check her weblogs...I only logged into the site once back in June and then again to open a support ticket requesting a refund. I never even used the forums.

Athletic trainer? I somehow missed that perk.

Wow...I was a fool. I wish I would have found LCF first. I sure received my money's worth.

I also wanted to let you all know that even tho Kimmer is busy trying to erase her tracks (the b&a photos, etc.), the deceitful web she hath woven is big...her Technorati web profile still shows the red dress pic:

Kimmer on Technorati

Take care,

Willow

Willow- Welcome to the boards and thank you for sharing your experience with kimkins or really Kimmer. Glad to have you here.
I think you may be interested in these links.
IMPORTANT LINKS:

Sign the petition
Request for Kimkins Investigation Petition
This petition goes to the Federal Trade Commission, Better Business Bureau, and the California Attorney General.

Contact the Federal Trade Commission
Federal Trade Commission - Offices and Bureaus
“The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel®, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide.”

Internet Crime Complaint Center
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/
The IC3 is co-sponsored by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C)

Lawsuit
Kimkinslawsuit’s Weblog

IRS tax fraud
To make a report to the IRS that Heidi Diaz may be committing tax fraud-
How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?

BBB
To do a review at the Better Business Bureau
Company Report
If you feel that Kimkins/Kimmer/Heidi Diaz has not been truthful in advertising and is dangerous.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

So let me see if I understand this ..... Dr. Mark is "not an MD" BUT he is a DOCTOR? :confused :

Anyone with a doctorate can be called doctor. One state court even ruled that lawyers could use it.

But I take issue with him calling himself a physician.