Why the fascination with Kimmer? #6

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Just posted by "Dr." Mark

"Re:Introducing Dr. Mark? 1 Minute ago
Yep,
No MD.

In 1995 I reached a point in my career where I needed more license and credentials to treat patients the way I wanted and write to the audience I was attracting.
My first choice was D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathy. I found, to my dismay, all of the D.O. shools in the U.S. basically mirror MD programs. In the early 70's the AMA found the D.O. License was as powerful as the MD. They approached all US schools and basically said "change your curriculum or lose your accreditation". Most changed or closed.

MD - Thought about it but did not want to be indoctrinated into the "Drugs and Surgery" model of medicine. Can you blame the MD though? The do internships and residencies in emergency room settings. If I have a knife sticking out of me the last thing I want is some herbs or acupuncture.

DC- Chiropractor - seemed a little too limiting in scope for me.

What I decided upon was Doctor of Oriental Medicine with a License as Acupuncture Physician.
As a primary care physician, my license covers everything except pre_script_ion drugs and surgery. Including, but not limited to, all physical medicine, rehabilitation, internal medicine, acupuncture, imaging and labs, injection of natural substances, nutrition and life_style_ counseling, additionology, herbology and medicinal meal (1000 hours) etc. etc. etc.....

Only problem was I was petrified of needles!! Got over it soon though and love what I do.

In Short
I am not an MD but know both sides of the fence.
My education covered every internal medical category from both eastern and western perspectives.

I hope everyone will take advantage of my 19 years of experience and excellent research skills. I am here for you.

Dr. Mark"

OH. MY. SOUL.

[dointhis4me]

WOW, what kind of dr has time to sit around and post on a proven scam website I worked in the medical field for years and REAL doctors are very busy people This story keeps getting more and more bizaar!

[lisabinil]

It just gets funnier all the time. You can get a Dr. of Oriental Medicine degree online!

[Khewes]

MissMerize,
I hear what you are saying, and I'm glad that you were forward thinking enough to make sure that you were safeguarding your health. The problem that the people of this forum have is that there are some people who were so desperate to lose weight , fast, that they took what she said at face value. There are tons of forums on the internet, free. She's profiting from some of the most desperate people, shamelessly. She advertised a product, and didn't produce the goods. I for one, when my friend bought my membership in an attempt to thwart my getting bypass surgery, looked to the success stories for inspiration. I know that a lot of advertisers use photoshop to do some nipping and tucking, but she took people who were on the internet, NOT FOR WEIGHT LOSS, and manipulated customers into thinking they'd done her plan. Have you read the whole thread here? Bambi, the blind chick? She said she met her while volunteering at the Braille Institute. Seriously. That is just, wrong on so many levels.

My positive "Kimkins" experience? I got the heck out of dodge, went back on Atkins and lost 30 pounds.

If you went to the dealership to buy a BMW and came home with a Hyundai and no recourse, I ask you. Wouldn't you be ticked?

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I just posted a little something and I meant to put it over here so here's a cut and paste and I will apologize up front for being repetitive.

This is a wild bunch in here and I can hear the flack already.

Here goes again, and no, MissMerize is not my real name, or the name I use at kimkins.

(Snipped for brevity)

Good for you! I'm glad you were able to make it work for you in what sounds like a healthier manner than the plan as written. I just have a few questions:

1. Are you aware that it was written that if you tweak the plan at all, you are not doing Kimkins?

2. Did you ever respond to other members who were having issues to tell them that following the plan as written was unhealthy? ex. hair loss, dizziness, extremely low calories, extremely low fat, etc.

3. If not, why?

[golite]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Just posted by "Dr." Mark

"Re:Introducing Dr. Mark? 1 Minute ago
Yep,
No MD.

In 1995 I reached a point in my career where I needed more license and credentials to treat patients the way I wanted and write to the audience I was attracting.
My first choice was D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathy. I found, to my dismay, all of the D.O. shools in the U.S. basically mirror MD programs. In the early 70's the AMA found the D.O. License was as powerful as the MD. They approached all US schools and basically said "change your curriculum or lose your accreditation". Most changed or closed.

MD - Thought about it but did not want to be indoctrinated into the "Drugs and Surgery" model of medicine. Can you blame the MD though? The do internships and residencies in emergency room settings. If I have a knife sticking out of me the last thing I want is some herbs or acupuncture.

DC- Chiropractor - seemed a little too limiting in scope for me.

What I decided upon was Doctor of Oriental Medicine with a License as Acupuncture Physician.
As a primary care physician, my license covers everything except pre_script_ion drugs and surgery. Including, but not limited to, all physical medicine, rehabilitation, internal medicine, acupuncture, imaging and labs, injection of natural substances, nutrition and life_style_ counseling, additionology, herbology and medicinal meal (1000 hours) etc. etc. etc.....

Only problem was I was petrified of needles!! Got over it soon though and love what I do.

In Short
I am not an MD but know both sides of the fence.
My education covered every internal medical category from both eastern and western perspectives.

I hope everyone will take advantage of my 19 years of experience and excellent research skills. I am here for you.

Dr. Mark"

A Primary Care Physician???????? The are MD.'s They can write prescriptions!
What's with this?.......pre_script_ion

Kimmer and Tippy are getting dumber by the nano-second!

[lisabinil]

Originally Posted by golite

A Primary Care Physician???????? The are MD.'s They can write prescriptions!
What's with this?.......pre_script_ion

Kimmer and Tippy are getting dumber by the nano-second!

Hey now-they may be taking the online course as we speak!

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Just posted by "Dr." Mark

"Re:Introducing Dr. Mark? 1 Minute ago
Yep,
No MD.

In 1995 I reached a point in my career where I needed more license and credentials to treat patients the way I wanted and write to the audience I was attracting.
My first choice was D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathy. I found, to my dismay, all of the D.O. shools in the U.S. basically mirror MD programs. In the early 70's the AMA found the D.O. License was as powerful as the MD. They approached all US schools and basically said "change your curriculum or lose your accreditation". Most changed or closed.

MD - Thought about it but did not want to be indoctrinated into the "Drugs and Surgery" model of medicine. Can you blame the MD though? The do internships and residencies in emergency room settings. If I have a knife sticking out of me the last thing I want is some herbs or acupuncture.

DC- Chiropractor - seemed a little too limiting in scope for me.

What I decided upon was Doctor of Oriental Medicine with a License as Acupuncture Physician.
As a primary care physician, my license covers everything except pre_script_ion drugs and surgery. Including, but not limited to, all physical medicine, rehabilitation, internal medicine, acupuncture, imaging and labs, injection of natural substances, nutrition and life_style_ counseling, additionology, herbology and medicinal meal (1000 hours) etc. etc. etc.....

Only problem was I was petrified of needles!! Got over it soon though and love what I do.

In Short
I am not an MD but know both sides of the fence.
My education covered every internal medical category from both eastern and western perspectives.

I hope everyone will take advantage of my 19 years of experience and excellent research skills. I am here for you.

Dr. Mark"

OKAY I am litterally laughing my ass off!

rehabilitation? physical medicine? INJECTIONS??? OMG!

physical therapists/occupational therapists/athletic trainers will have quite the problem with him stating he is QUALIFIED to do rehabiliation! egads!

I want to know the EXACT "school" he is "degreed" from

[dointhis4me]

Well at least he did have to take an exam....


Q: Do I need to take an exam to receive my Certificate?

A: YES. In order to control quality of the results, the correspondence program exam consist multiple choice quiz, and case analysis. In the exam you are asked to give the TCM diagnosis and give the prescription of acupoints and herbs.

:r ofl:

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

What?!? Everything thing else in the medical field was too difficult so you became an accupuncturist?

and THEN he continued to call himself a PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN! The AMA will take GREAT exception to that!

[Khewes]

I want to know the EXACT "school" he is "degreed" from
__________________

He probably just stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Ba dum ching.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Khewes

He probably just stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Ba dum ching.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

It just gets funnier all the time. You can get a Dr. of Oriental Medicine degree online!

GinaC can probably get us better credentials!

[JustKim]

you know what...as funny as this Dr. Mark crap is...it is also starting to p*ss me off the more I think about it because it really degrades the real education some of us have and the real certification and license, and the real experience and careers spent helping people.

[Violet Skye]

I've worked in hospitals as an admin/research assistant for 20 years, so I am a bit of a snob about credentialling. JustKim has publications in respected, peer-reviewed journals to her credit. McSketchy? Not that he's told us. Frankly, I'd put my life in the hands of David Lee Roth (who's trained as an EMT) than Dr. Mark if the SNATT hit the fan. And Dr. Mark himself states that there's definitely a place for the treatment of illness and trauma.

Now, I'm not dissing alternative medicine, because I really do feel that our system focuses on an illness model of care rather than a wellness model, and more emphasis on wellness is what is needed. And Dr. Mark seems like a personable guy, who communicates well. But having seen the real domino effect of Kimkins, which is people developing similar clusters of symptoms with such rapidity that they fall like dominoes, I'm not sure how useful his type of advice is. Unless he's going to see symptoms and tell people to go to their ER or MD ASAP. In which case, he won't last long at Kimkins.com.

[dointhis4me]

I'm kinda behind, so is Singingass still over there with Flippy?

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

GinaC can probably get us better credentials!

Dang right Skippy!! What would you like?

[LosingToLive]

*note to self*

Wake up an hour early, this thread is going to be VERY long by morning.

[kar_kar]

This Dr. Mark is the kind of person that gives holistic health care practitioners a bad name. There are actual TCM and naturopath schools that are like medical schools, and in some states they can be primary care physicians.

But there are lots of programs that give people bogus non-accredited "degrees" and "diplomas"...that's why you see sites like quackwatch go to town on natural health. Makes me so

ETA: Not to mention I doubt someone in the natural health field that was really dedicated to healing would join up with the likes of Kimmer.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Violet Skye

I'm not sure how useful his type of advice is. Unless he's going to see symptoms and tell people to go to their ER or MD ASAP. In which case, he won't last long at Kimkins.com.

PLUS since he seems ANTI-traditional medicine it is even less likely he would refer to a proper authority if/when warranted.

Violet I too am very much a stickler for education and background. I'd be wanting a CV from him pronto.

he mentions the "graduate" stuff - I'd love to know his initial education background too.

Of course I'm still in disbelief over the 20-30 triathalons he runs in a year?? A TRIATHALON every other weekend??

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Violet Skye

Now, I'm not dissing alternative medicine, because I really do feel that our system focuses on an illness model of care rather than a wellness model, and more emphasis on wellness is what is needed. And Dr. Mark seems like a personable guy, who communicates well. But having seen the real domino effect of Kimkins, which is people developing similar clusters of symptoms with such rapidity that they fall like dominoes, I'm not sure how useful his type of advice is. Unless he's going to see symptoms and tell people to go to their ER or MD ASAP. In which case, he won't last long at Kimkins.com.

I also don't want to diss alternative medicine. My brother is a DO and plenty of MD's still consider that "alternative medicine." But I find it strange that someone would claim to be educated in western and eastern medicine yet only hold a degree in eastern medicine. I'm not sure what his usefulness could be there. I also don't understand how a doctor of oriental medicine can help triathletes. Okay, I guess there's a lot I don't understand about this but I can't say I'm not surprised that they were not able to secure the advice of a DO or MD.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by GinaC

Good for you! I'm glad you were able to make it work for you in what sounds like a healthier manner than the plan as written. I just have a few questions:

1. Are you aware that it was written that if you tweak the plan at all, you are not doing Kimkins?

2. Did you ever respond to other members who were having issues to tell them that following the plan as written was unhealthy? ex. hair loss, dizziness, extremely low calories, extremely low fat, etc.

3. If not, why?

I was thinking someone might say that I was not doing Kimkins. I did really limit my cals and fat. So in my mind, I was doing kimkins.

Issues I responded to, hmmm, I tried to help those who needed to get into ketosis just to get there, and suggested atkins ONLY TO START. I did have a brief period of snatt, which left on it's own. It seemed to occur when I first engaged in bootcamp, which when others displayed those symptoms, I mentioned to them it should pass. So if it didn't pass for them then they weren't listening.

As far as me telling others the plan was unhealthy, meat and veggies is not unhealthy. Everyone needs to listen to their own body no matter what diet they are on.

I was in and out of there in what seems now like a flash of light. Goes so fast... Moderation is key... definitely would not recommend for long periods of time. Really depends on how much you have to lose.

With proper supplements, I think this diet is better than fasting. I have never fasted myself (I like food too much)

[Khewes]

Do we really even honestly believe he's a real person?

[JustKim]

the athletic trainer in me wants to know exactly what his knee injury was that "changed the course of his career" too

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by Khewes

Do we really even honestly believe he's a real person?

of course he's a real person









in someone's mind anyways