ok, with ALL the Kimmer news as of late, is there anyone here that DOES Kimkins still

[Shae]

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I'm just curious, because it does seem like the plan would give you good, quick results.

TIA!

[lindaokc]

Ok, at the risk of being slammed over the head here, I'm going to admit, that once in awhile (not as often as I used to) I will get angry at the weight and go on a kimkins type of eating plan. Once you get in your head that you can eat that way and see the scale drop, it's hard to get it out of your head. I keep trying, and I'm doing ALOT better than I used to do, but I'm telling you it's hard to keep yourself centered and focused when the easier way is what you know will take the weight off.
I KNOW it's not right, and I know it's twisted thinking, but sometimes it creeps in there. Once you've known this way of eating, I'm not sure it ever goes away.
I do take alot of supplements now, and when I do go low calorie, it seems I can't stay there like I used to be able to do, so now I'm just trying to maintain. There are many threads on this site to help ex kimkins dieters and many other WOE to show you the right way to eat. I'm learning alot about the effects of extreme low calorie, although I have to say I didn't go as low as many did. While I always knew what was low carb and what was not, I never knew what I needed to know to low carb the right way.
As I learn more, I do better, but there are times when the old thinking creeps back in for a few days. I do want to get the rest of the weight off and yes, kimkins does work, just not like you think it will.

[Silver Spice]

For some people it works...........as far as they can tell right now. I tired it. I was desparate to see some results so I figured "Maybe it will kick start my weight loss and then I can switch to something else." Well, I lost 10 pounds very quickly then stalled. So I did the meat and egg thing. I got very sick and had severe pains in my kidneys and back and stopped urinating for 4 days. I knew I could not water fast, since I am reactive hypoglycemic type 2 diabetic, and would have passed out. When I stopped doing meat and egg and Kimkins I immediately gained 20 pounds. I have struggled since then and can not lose at all. Doing this has killed my metabolism. I have been under strict medical supervision for the last 3 months. So far, no medication or diet plan has helped me. I am VERY thankful that I do not have permanent kidney problems. I have to use a diuretic every day now. Even with the medications, I have only lost 5 pounds in 3 months and it was a very hard struggle to manage doing that. My doctors are hoping things will turn around again, but can not guarantee it.

[BobbiOh]

Originally Posted by Shae

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I'm just curious, because it does seem like the plan would give you good, quick results.

TIA!

It's a low carb, low fat and very low calorie diet....so basically starvation. So, yes, starvation will give you results at the detriment to your health. You'd be better off doing a cleansing fast under doctor supervision.

[Hopefultobemomtomax]

Well I think if you do it for a day or so it is not a big deal, I did everything I could to shake it up to find what was right for me, and some days I did kimkins, some days I did atkins, some days I did my own version of lc woe. So I do believe as you find your woe, and most of us have to shake it up to lose, change something add something, whatever it may be, it is fine. I truly believe someone in the right frame of mind who knows their body, will not die or hurt themselves on kimkins for a short time, a few days, when we have the flu, we survive on ginger ale and soda crackers, so like everyone says, in moderation and listen to your body. Now with that said, I am doing none of this anymore because I am pregnant, of course I am eating lc but I am having fruits and vegies and a more moderate amount of carbs.

[Hopefultobemomtomax]

Originally Posted by BobbiOh

It's a low carb, low fat and very low calorie diet....so basically starvation. So, yes, starvation will give you results at the detriment to your health. You'd be better off doing a cleansing fast under doctor supervision.

Right no one should starve, the problem is some people don't know their bodies, they don't tweak a diet to make it liveable and healthy and they believe what they read instead of believing in themselves, doing the research, and taking the time to find the right fit. I hope this controversy has made people understand they need to know their bodies, try, try, research, research, and realize that wl is a journey of healing lots of wounds, lots of stuff, and that is takes time.

One more thing, when you start a diet, after a month, I would suggest going to the doctor, get your blood drawn and have all your levels checked. See where you are at, I did it and she confirmed I was right on track.

[2big4mysize]

there are many tests a doc can do but they will not normally do them unless we specifically say I was eating a weight loss plan that I know know is nutritionally bankrupt. I was only eating ____ fill in your average cals and those cals were eggwhites chcikenbreasts and lean fish with a small amount of salad and a fat free dressing sprayed on. then your doc knows your essiantial fatty acids (EFAs), minerals, vitamins and calories were in starvation mode and will look at more then a standard blood work panel for signs you need some medical assistance. If you say I lost it having lean proteins and salads they might not reralize the degree to which it was deficient.
Christins doc said she was good but now that they know what she was actually doing she is getting much deeper testing and probing. We can only hope and pray that other followeres of the plan don't need a trip to the ER with chest pains to get the help they need. Check out the making it a healthy WOE topic with the lists of foods you can tweak your plan with to make sure you are getting the needed vits minerals EFAs fats and proteins to meet the nutritonal needs of your body as you morph it for a life of being the healtheir smaller person you deserve to have.

[jezzie]

is there anyone here that DOES Kimkins still

I would think that many of the people doing any Kimkins type plan will keep it to themselves.
In light of what they are facing it would take a really determined person to not go underground.

Many people don't want confrontation. That's not why they come to a Bulletin Board.

[JuliaL]

Anyone who is on a starvation diet and posts about it on a bulletin board needs to be confronted, IMO. There are ways to do it that are supportive rather than critical, but the truth is the truth - they're harming their health. Telling them the truth about what they are doing to their bodies is not really confrontation.

If someone posted on a bulletin board that they were taking fen fen or some equally dangerous drug to lose weight should they be confronted?

[MissMerize]

Hi all,

This thread was brought to my attention a few months ago, but I just couldn't take it too seriously at the time as my personal before and after pics had a lot of double takes.

I was on plan for about 4 months, and near the end or goal weight I found myself very in tune with my body and did up my own supplements along the way.

I took some time off, gradually added things back into my normal diet, and gained back only 5 lbs. Things leveled out for me easily.

I enjoyed my summer at a really comfortable weight, and was able to focus on taking care of other business in my life.

Just recently, I felt the time was right to jump back in before the holidays and finish up the last little bit (I'm wearing size 10 but really would like to wear 8).

I had not been into the site for a few months, and so it's only been a couple of days since I caught wind of what has recently been going on. I was able to watch the news video, and spent some time reading blogs and anti kimkins posts.

I will admit, my initial feelings were those of disbelief, betrayal, and confusion.

Then I had to dig deeper into what had just happened.

Instead of freaking out, I've decided to take those positive things from my experience and run with them. I'm a big girl. No one forced me to plunk down $40. (the price when I joined). I had 24 hours to see what was in there and determine if this was something I wanted to try. I didn't know who this kimmer was. What I did do was go into the forum and see a lot of other success stories. So whether kimmer was who she said she was or not, something was working in there. I compared the plan to the regular atkins menu. It just made sense to cut fat and loose quicker.

Dieting has a way of being frustrating, making you grumpy, and a whole host of things whether it goes fast or slow. I wanted the quick pull of the bandaid from my boo boo, not the slow and torcherous pull.

Yes, I know, it's all so surreal and freaky the whole con thing. On the flip side, the support group in there allowed me to really stay focused, and the quick loss was a true confidence booster.

Did I suffer any side effects? When I became sluggish, I took it upon myself to investigate supplements and tweek and adjust to what was going on with my body. I did eat every day. I don't feel as though I starved myself.

Yes, it said "no exercise" but that was another thing I took it upon myself to do. I will admit, that alone probably made a huge difference in keeping my metabolism going.

So now there are new owners. Some modifications are being made to the plan, and the diet plan itself is becoming a bit more sound as far as diets go.

Will I resume the plan exactly as I did it the first time? Well for one thing there is no urgency to get slim for the summer. Secondly, I have only 10 to 15 lbs to lose, not 75. I am in a new circumstance, and I will tailor the diet again to suit my personal needs.

Is this diet for everyone? Absolutely not. Is there a perfect diet? Each of us is so individual that everyone needs to tailor to their needs. There is no one perfect diet or miracle cure.

I did not follow the list to a T. I weighed out more than just myself and my food when I did the plan. I used the plan more like a guideline, not an absolute.

I did not feel that I paid for the diet. Any simpleton could figure out from the sales page that it was an atkins plan w/o the fat. My investment was for the support group that was in there. I liked the challenges and comrodary of the other members.

I am sorry for the others who are so bitter and angry. I am sorry this plan turned into such a bad experience for them. And I'm sorry it took an alleged con woman to get them off their butts and finally lose some weight.

And just so you all know - I am not on the payroll, I am not the new owner, I am just one person who had a positive experience with this plan, all because I took full responsibility in paying attention to what was going on with me.

Yes, it's extreme. But so is gastric bypass. You don't think those people have a host of problems? At least kimkins forced me to really look at labels and modify my eating. I got an enormous support group who I could fall back on.

Should supplements be recommended? Probably yes. There is room for improvement.

I don't feel the thing is a total wash.

So go ahead and confront me. I did what I felt was right for me. And I listened to my gut as I did it.

I hope now that the new ownership can clean things up and perhaps impress on anyone who decides to follow the plan that it is just a guideline, not an absolute. Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves.

[jezzie]

I did not follow the list to a T. I weighed out more than just myself and my food when I did the plan. I used the plan more like a guideline, not an absolute.

I did not feel that I paid for the diet. Any simpleton could figure out from the sales page that it was an atkins plan w/o the fat. My investment was for the support group that was in there. I liked the challenges and comrodary of the other members.

Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves.

Almost all Atkins people do some tweaking also.
(Even though I find that word distasteful.) It's just individualizing a plan.

The last few months have saddened me.

Your post is well written and I want to commend you. And your courage to speak up.
It would be a frightening development if minority dissenters ever lose that right.


The voice of the majority is no proof of justice. - Johann Von Schiller

[2big4mysize]

I did not follow the list to a T. I weighed out more than just myself and my food when I did the plan. I used the plan more like a guideline, not an absolute.

I think you are missing the point you changed the plan hopefully you included enough cals and EFAs and fats thast your body didn't use your lean tissues as it energy source and used your body fat as your energy source. The plan as written and promoted by Kimmer ( "If you tweak it then it isn't kimkins" is her line not any of the folk trying to spread the word about the errors in the nutrition and science "facts" Kimmer was passing out as truth.

Oh and those success stories you saw on her site may shock you too. in the past 7 days over 30 of them have been shown to be pictures copied from bridal and groom sites of different folk in the before and after for most of them. Since you were convinced by them then obviously her fraudulant advertizing worked.

Please read the nutritonal info in the making it healthy WOE topic and make sure your tweaks are enough to keep you healthy as you work your plan not kimkins but your low carb lower cal plan to reach your goal weight.

happy low carbing.

[Lurchy]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Dieting has a way of being frustrating, making you grumpy, and a whole host of things whether it goes fast or slow. I wanted the quick pull of the bandaid from my boo boo, not the slow and torcherous pull.

Did I suffer any side effects? When I became sluggish, I took it upon myself to investigate supplements and tweek and adjust to what was going on with my body. I did eat every day. I don't feel as though I starved myself.

Yes, it said "no exercise" but that was another thing I took it upon myself to do. I will admit, that alone probably made a huge difference in keeping my metabolism going.

Is this diet for everyone? Absolutely not. Is there a perfect diet? Each of us is so individual that everyone needs to tailor to their needs. There is no one perfect diet or miracle cure.

I did not follow the list to a T. I weighed out more than just myself and my food when I did the plan. I used the plan more like a guideline, not an absolute.

Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves.

Great post. Thank you.

Since discovering low carb this past April, I've probably tried most of the low carb plans posted here... at least for a little while. I've actually felt best (overall) on Kimkins. It fits my lifestyle, I use it as a basic eating plan, and personalize from there for my circumstances. If anyone is unsure of what a new eating plan or supplement might mean for them, they SHOULD be speaking with their physician first.

I am saddened about all of the hoopla re: Kimkins for many reasons, but back to lurking as some things are better left unsaid.

[gingerbean]

This is a great post, thank you. I did Kimkins for about 2 weeks and found it too boring. I didn't pay anybody anything-- about 30 minutes of Googling and I was able to come up with all the rules of the plan and how to do it. I think if anyone paid whatever they paid it was to save them the time of hunting down the info and, like you said, for the comraderie.

I'm on a plan now (Protein Sparing Modified Fast) which I think a lot of people would think is a lot more extreme than Kimkins but it works for me and I like it. I don't hate, I congradulate. Everyone is responsible for themselves and shouldn't put an Internet diet above common sense.

[Woman Typing Badly]

Originally Posted by Shae

?

I'm just curious, because it does seem like the plan would give you good, quick results.

TIA!

I still do it from time to time.....I intend to do it again.

Originally Posted by jezzie

I would think that many of the people doing any Kimkins type plan will keep it to themselves.
In light of what they are facing it would take a really determined person to not go underground.

Many people don't want confrontation. That's not why they come to a Bulletin Board.

Ain't that the truth., every single word of your post...

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves.

Very well written post.

Originally Posted by jezzie

Almost all Atkins people do some tweaking also.
(Even though I find that word distasteful.) It's just individualizing a plan.

The last few months have saddened me.

Your post is well written and I want to commend you. And your courage to speak up.
It would be a frightening development if minority dissenters ever lose that right.


The voice of the majority is no proof of justice. - Johann Von Schiller

Your posts are well written, too. Thank you for having the courage to write them.

Originally Posted by gingerbean

Everyone is responsible for themselves and shouldn't put an Internet diet above common sense.

[Arbah]

Hello

I'm still doing Kimkins so far. While I research some more on the various low carb woe's, I plan on adding a bit more fat and calories (slowly) to see how far I can go and still lose weight. I have 35 lbs to go. This Kimkins diet is my first foray into lowcarb, and I must say my body seems to like it. I would say low carb will be a lifetime woe for me.

[jezzie]

Congratulations on your success so far.

[marilynk2222]

I recently started Kimkins and have only lost 3 pounds. Im having 500-600 calories a day and about 11 carbs per day. I must be doing something wrong-the scale isnt moving. Is it true that your body goes into "starvation mode"? Any suggestions for tweaking Kimkins to help get things moving ?)(I did meat and eggs for 4 days this past week with NO results. I'd appreciate any advice you can give. I never knew of all these side effects and adverse issues before!

[2big4mysize]

marilynk2222 Arbah moved to Atkins induction and shed 8 pounds in induction after trying kimkins.

You should read the making it healthy WOE topic and learn why kimkins as written is unhealthy and dangerous. Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins

You can read the story of 101 folk who followed the diet and had healthy issues on the kimkins survivors blog.

[marilynk2222]

I have started reading that...but a lot of it is over my head. I will try to get through it. I added calories for the past 2 days...no change. I'm really afraid to add too much now because I'm afraid I'll gain weight and be heavier than I was when I started.

[2big4mysize]

so was Arbah but she did and shed weight and inches doing 14 days of atkins induction

[marilynk2222]

I made a bold move yesterday. The thought scared me, but I did it anyway. I'd been reading a little about "free meals" and "re-feeding"...so in the spirit of that, I ate whatever I wanted yesterday. I did NOT go overboard...no sweets, no pasta. I had a club sandwich on wheat with chips for lunch (mustard, but no mayo) and a Wendy's chili with crackers for dinner. I lost a pound...more than I've done than over 2 weeks!

I'm a little afraid to do it any longer so I'm gonna hold to my diet until Thanksgiving. I have raised my calories to the 900 calorie range and my carbs are 15-20. Fat is around 85-89. I'm still waiting to see if I have any effects from my "free" day of eating.

Does anyone else find this odd? That I lost a pound despite my free day of eating?

[2big4mysize]

come on you can go higher and shed as you just saw. 900 cals isn't healthy.

Fat is around 85-89.

Is that a misprint? that only leaves you 130 cals for all your carbs and protein intake if it is grams and if it is cals you didn't read the healthy WOE very carefully cause you are deficeint in EFAs and fats.

[Kona sunset]

Marilyn, I noticed that you ate at Wendy's. Do you eat fast food a lot? Some of us have discovered recently that MSG that is added to our food can cause weight gain, among other things. If you are eating fast food and/or a lot of processed foods, that could be contributing to the problem. There's a thread in the Main Lobby called Surprise ingredients in fast food (salad, eggs, etc!) that has some very good info. I posted a video (last post in the thread) of a lecture by a neurosurgeon about the dangers of MSG and how it is hidden in our food. You might want to check that out to see if it might be contributing to your problem.