Kimmers adverse effects

[yakara]

Hey there all! I am looking for a list of the adverse effects reported on Kimkins. I am just curious. I recently started low carbing again after straightening out the rest of my world. I started with a 3 day protein fast, and am moving to Atkins induction tonight, mainly because I feel like crap. I tried reading through the Fascination with Kimmers threads, but it is physically hurting me to keep reading it. Any help would be appreciated!

[2big4mysize]

adverse effects?
are you asking for the ways your health will be damaged doing a nutritionally bankrupt eating plan long term??

[lindaokc]

Hey, Yakara, why not move to the Atkins thread? You might get more help there than you will on the Kimkins thread. We are not advising people to do Kimkins anymore. We feel it could harm your health.

Glad to meet you and there are many who will help you on the Atkins thread w/ that WOE. Hope to see you there.

[yakara]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

adverse effects?
are you asking for the ways your health will be damaged doing a nutritionally bankrupt eating plan long term??

Wow this was the most combative response that I ever thought I would get.

I was specifically asking about the ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS of doing kimkins. Specifically (just in case that wasn't clear). I have read hair loss. I have seen mention of adverse health effects in a lot of the posts, so out of curiosity I was wondering, specifically (again), what they were.

People make the same claims about Atkins that you are making here about kimkins. I have read all of the studies about Atkins and how it affects your body, both positively and negatively. I had assumed there was something outlining common health problems attached to kimkins that I could view. Not because I am considering it, but just because I am curious.

You know, this is exactly why I stopped posting last time. The feedback is not always the nicest, most helpful, or otherwise inspiring. No one should have to feel attacked for asking a question. Time for me to say goodbye again, this time for good.

[lindaokc]

Hey, Yakara, don't go, please.
We want to help, honest. Some of the side effects are: hair loss, weakness, muscle wastiing, very low calories due to no appetite, some people had bathroom problems because they used laxatives, some had fainting spells, and problems w/ their thyroids, metabolism messed up from too few calories, and those are just the ones that are discussed in passing. The ones that show up by having tests done, like EKG's, blood tests, etc, I can't speak for.

I guess I misunderstood what you were asking. Going to PM you and see if you get it.

[lindaokc]

Can't PM you for some reason. Guess you have your preferences set that way.

[BobbiOh]

Originally Posted by yakara

People make the same claims about Atkins that you are making here about kimkins.

What's been reported are pretty much the same effects as anorexia. I don't think I ever saw that reported about Atkins.

[2big4mysize]

your adverse effects statement wasn't clear if your asking about the snatt stuff or real health issues

the kimkins plan as written by kimmer isn't meeting basic nutritonal needs. it is a starvation plan. it is too low cal which puts a person at the same health risks for damage to internal organs as somebody who is anorexic. since the protein is too low the body will start using organ and muscle proteins for energy, growth and repair will not occur

there is no you got lots of fat stored in your body so you don't need fat in your diet science to back up Kimmers statements. your fat soluble vits and mineral will not get absorbed much like those folk eating olestra when it first came out without the warnings and supplementation of the foods did. it is lacking in essential fatty acids so every body part needing them for structure and or a bio chemicals like hormones or enzymes will be at risk
it is lacking in calcium so your bones are at risk

your thyroid can be damaged and there is no healing one once this occurs.
if you google the effects of starvation you can see just about all the adverse effects following kimkins as written can cause.

there is a site called kimkins survivors that has postings from many mnay folk who suffered ill health effects doing Kimkins per kimmers instructions.

As to the Atkins stuff those naysayers didn't have any science studies to back up any of their claims about adverse effects of doing the Atkins plan.

If you'd like to check out the ways to tweak it to make it a healthy eating plan you can read about those proteins vits and minerals nd fatty acids and EFAs in the making it healthy WOE topic kinasunset started.

[controlledcarb]

The list of risks, both during a vLCD period and in the period following includes:

Sudden death
Sensitivity to light (sunshine)
Hypotension (low blood pressure)
Cholelithiasis (gallbladder disease)
Increased risk of loss of lean body mass (including heart, lungs, liver, kidneys)
Heart palpitations and irregular beat
Bleeding gums
Intolerance to cold
Dry skin
Brittle, cracked or peeling nails
Hair loss on both head and body
Loss of hair pigmentation
Dry mouth
Fatigue and lethargy
Increased requirement for sleep
Potassium loss, electrolyte imbalance
Loss of coordination
Decline in motor function
Dizziness and fainting
Feeling light headed
Headache
GI distubance with diarrhea or constipation
Nausea and/or abdominal cramps
Muscle aches, twitching and cramps
Loss of libido, infertility in women, impotence in men
Oseoporosis
Bone and joint pain
Immune system suppression
Suicidal thoughts and increased risk of attempt
Depression or the opposite, aggressive behavior
Slow wound healing
Decline in cognitive function (memory lapse, forgetfulness, confusion)

[Hoops]

You don't starve on Kimkins or any type of eating plan unless you've exhausted your fat reserves and the vital tissues are sacrificed! People throw the word starving out there, yet many don't know meaning. It is alright, for I've learned a lot myself over the years.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Hoops

You don't starve on Kimkins or any type of eating plan unless you've exhausted your fat reserves and the vital tissues are sacrificed! People throw the word starving out there, yet many don't know meaning. It is alright, for I've learned a lot myself over the years.

Oh that that was true the kimkins survivors would not exist. Those people starved following kimmers advice and were still over weight. The cover girl for the WW article starved and has suffered health issues from it which she has posted about too. The Journey

I'd really like to see the studies you've learned from to back up your statements.

the human body has fatty acids it needs on a daily bases that it can not produce.
it has amino acids it needs on a daily bases it also can not produce. the need for those essintial fatty acids and amino acids are well documented.
It is also well documented that low carbers use proteins to generate some of the glucose needs of the body in the absense of carbohydrates.
Eating the Kimkins plan as written will not meet the protein needs of the human body nor the fatty acid needs and thus a person is starving doing it.


Check the vitamin and mineral content of the recommended foods along with a daily mulitvitamin which is the only supplement recommended by Kimmer for her plans and you will also discover the basic needs are not being met for many of them too like calcium.

[Hoops]

2Big~ I am so glad you asked. I when people desire to learn more about fasting and starvation. I think you'll just love the information.

You can read a book written by a man who fasted over 40,000 people, Herbert Shelton, called Fasting Can Save Your Life. Chapter 3 "Living Without Eating" is full of excellent information, although the preface discusses the misuse of the word starvation for a quick read.

[LuckyKitty]

Fasting is one of those areas that has always caught my interest, but I've never quite been able to take that step (<--- history of ED and I'm just a scaredy cat that those issues would resurface) I think it's one of the areas where there's a lot of misinformation, lack of information and assumptions floating around cause a lot of Western cultures have an almost innate fear of fasting due largely to ignorance about it.

From what I've read (admittedly not as much as I would have liked), the real problem isn't with fasting = starvation, but that by eating a vLCD (versus fasting) you don't get the physical health benefits of a fast because the body never 'switches over to that mechanism of operating/repair', to put it colloquially. I haven't come across many proponents of fasting that considered, e.g. fasting with diet coke instead of water, or eating a vLCD diet to afford the same health benefits as true fasting. While you are not likely to "starve" doing a proper fast, you can suffer the effects of "starvation" by taking in a diet that is nutritionally deficient.

(my apologies to you and other well-versed fasters if I've mangled my description)

[marilynk2222]

I'm brand new to the blogs (any blog) so I'm THE definition of newbie. I recently started Kimkins (Oct. 22). I'm reading about some of these side affects and realize that I have MANY of them. I am not an official member of Kimkins, a friend of mine who lost LOTS of weight in a short time sent me all the info. However, I've only lost 3 pounds in 15 days. My calories are 500-600 per day and carbs about 8-10. Im obviously doing something wrong...now I'm wondering if I should try another diet.

[CarolynF]

Marilyn: Yes, try Atkins Induction..It was developed by a real doctor and has been researched thoroughly. Those side effects are very dangerous. Your body is rebelling and hanging on to every morsel you put in your mouth because it doesn't trust you that you will give it healthy food..

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by marilynk2222

I'm brand new to the blogs (any blog) so I'm THE definition of newbie. I recently started Kimkins (Oct. 22). I'm reading about some of these side affects and realize that I have MANY of them. I am not an official member of Kimkins, a friend of mine who lost LOTS of weight in a short time sent me all the info. However, I've only lost 3 pounds in 15 days. My calories are 500-600 per day and carbs about 8-10. Im obviously doing something wrong...now I'm wondering if I should try another diet.

check out Atkins. Read the making it a healthy WOE if possible topic ofr reasons why eating KIMKINS isn't healthy and things you can do to to imporve your WOE. Several former kimkins eaters are in the induction 10/22 start topic in Atkins induction forum and one just lost 8 pounds switching and eating more food.Arbah is her name.

[marilynk2222]

Wow Atkins, huh? There's an induction? Is that similar to Kimkins?

I really am dumb about these things, as I say, I'm brand new to this.I did eat 800 calories today with 19 grams of fat...I'm trying to get my calories up. What should my fat intake be? I'm around 20-40.

[LuckyKitty]

Originally Posted by marilynk2222

Wow Atkins, huh? There's an induction? Is that similar to Kimkins?

I really am dumb about these things, as I say, I'm brand new to this.I did eat 800 calories today with 19 grams of fat...I'm trying to get my calories up. What should my fat intake be? I'm around 20-40.

Hang in there. It can definitely be confusing with lots of plans out there, MOST of which are pretty solid and will work for most people if they are really followed. The best advice I can give is for you to go check out a copy of one of the books (I used Atkins, but YMMV, just pick one of the tried and true ones and go with it). Really read it and follow it to the letter for a couple weeks and see how you feel and where you are. Unless you are severely metabolically resistant, you'll probably do great. Eat good, whole, "clean" (meaning not full of fake stuff and preservatives), and you can't help but get healthier and feel better!

Good Luck! Post often to keep you on track. You should check out the main lobby and the individual plan rooms , if you haven't already. There's ton of great info and wonderful people here (with a lot more knowledge and success than myself ) that love to help.

[marilynk2222]

Thank you for your advice. Right now I'm still on Kimkins but making a real effort to eat more. Today I had 900 calories and 17 grams of carbs. Do you think thats enough? I am considering Atkins, but honestly I tried it once and had zero results. I really do believe that my metabolism is beyond repair. I read a little about free meals and re-feeding...has anyone here tried that? Will it give my metabolism a boost? I appreciate your support.

[2big4mysize]

read the topic at the top of the forums about repairing your metabolism Atkins Nutritionals Interview (Repairing your Metabolism and more)


re4ad the making it healthy WOE Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins Controlledcarb has a post in there about repairing damaged metabolisms too.

[lindaokc]

Marilyn, I was on kimkins for 4 mo. and I believe I damaged my metabolism, but I do believe it is healing now. I have been maintaining my weight between 155-160 since around June, doing Atkins and tracking what I eat on fitday. I have also been experimenting w/ fat. I can eat alot more calories than I used to be able to eat and had a couple of 2000 calorie days last week. Now, I dont' believe I could eat that amount every day and maintain, but when I went off kimkins, I couldnt' do it at all. My body held on to every calorie and if I ate over 1200 calories, I would gain. I believe the key is in the fat. No, not grease oozing out of everything, but adding fat into your diet will make the calories go up quicker and give your body the nutrients it needs. WHOLE milk, full fat sour cream, butter, all the things we have been told was bad for us since we were children.
I feel so blessed that I have been able to repair my metabolism, dont' feel it's totally repaired, but I am 61 yrs old and doing alot better and eating alot better than a few months ago.

[marilynk2222]

Thats really encouraging. I will definately check out those postings. I don't even know where to begin repairing my metabolism. I really don't even track my fat intake. How much do you think is necessary? Kimkins doesn't allow milk...or butter...or anything tasty.

I'm happy to hear that you were able to repair yours. I sure hope I can repair mine, but am hesitant to go off Kimkins, because I can stick to it really easily...problem is, I gained 3 the first couple of days, then lost 6...so my total weight loss is 3 pounds! It's been almost 3 weeks. I read how everyone loses so much at first. I didn't. Not sure where to go from here.

[Antmaymay]

If you any of you are doing Atkins...are any of you experiencing heart palpatations? I have lost lots of weight on traditional atkins before and I have noticed this time around I am having heart palps?

Is this common or do I need to look into my intake and see if it is too low. I an not hungry but I never was on atkins.

Just asking sorry to jump in on a thread, just thought this would be a good place to ask...

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Antmaymay

If you any of you are doing Atkins...are any of you experiencing heart palpatations? I have lost lots of weight on traditional atkins before and I have noticed this time around I am having heart palps?

Is this common or do I need to look into my intake and see if it is too low. I an not hungry but I never was on atkins.

Just asking sorry to jump in on a thread, just thought this would be a good place to ask...

there are many many medical reasons to have heart palpatations. Call your doctor and get checked out to see if yours are begnin or a medical emergency.

[marilynk2222]

Thank you for the great advice! How much fat should I be eating? A lot of days I eat 20-30 grams, but usually it's 40-50. How much should I eat? I'm sure I need to repair my metabolism...I've just finished reading the building a healthy WOE thread, and am still in the process of reading the Adkins (repairing your metabolism...) thread.

I just don't know what the "norms" are...whats a good average to shoot for when the person has a DEAD metabolism?

Thank you

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by marilynk2222

Thank you for the great advice! How much fat should I be eating? A lot of days I eat 20-30 grams, but usually it's 40-50. How much should I eat? I'm sure I need to repair my metabolism...I've just finished reading the building a healthy WOE thread, and am still in the process of reading the Adkins (repairing your metabolism...) thread.

I just don't know what the "norms" are...whats a good average to shoot for when the person has a DEAD metabolism?

Thank you

you are only eating 2-30 grams? that is 180-270 cals of fat. Even on the USDA high carb plan they want normal fat intake to be 30% so that means you'd be eating only 600-900 cals.
You need to be eating more food period and you need to be eating much more healthy fats. did you understand controlledcarbs poston fats Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins
and that in those fats we need to have EFAs above the minimum amounts listed in those posts on EFAs? they start in post 235 and continue in the next 3.

Since you are low carbing you have to increase your fats and proteins to provide the fuel you need. Since you read the WOE topic you know just having body fat stores doesn't mean you don't have to eat fat too.

Dr Atkins has inductees eating 65% of their total cals as fats and 30% as proteins. Other plans have a higher protein amount and a lower fat amount but nobody has anything as low as the posted kimkins plan which is nutritonally bankrupt. there are protein calculators in that topic too based on our individual size. whith all that info you can use the planning a menu link controlled carb gave and figure out how much you should be eating but I can tell you it is at least triple what you are now having in total fat consumption.