Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[LISAinTN]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Lisa, I'm glad you came back. It doesn't matter what you said then or how you felt then, it's how you feel now. You came here and reached out, and that's enough for me.

Welcome back!

Thank you Joanie. You seem like such a sweet person. Thank you for your kindness.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Thanks, I will try and find that. That's one problem I am having right now is that I just don't know where to go from here. Believe it or not, I still find myself wanting to do Kimkins because it worked. I know that sounds really sick, but for the first time in years, I have felt really good about myself and I am very sad to think of going back to the way I was. I hated myself and had no life. I hibernated and was a spectator in my own life. I think that's why I was so easily sucked in my Kimmer. I thought she was my friend. I thought she truly cared and even just typing this, makes me cry. I was just 20 lbs. from my goal and when you've lost nearly 70, having only 20 left, well I thought I was looking good. lol I really enjoyed the summer this year for the first time in a LONG time and got to even wear some cute clothes. I have to try and get a handle on this and decide where to go from here, before I backslide again.

Blessings,
Lisa

Bolded above (mine) - I've never heard it put that way, but it described the way I lived for years. I'm so sorry. Again I will say, that's what makes the whole Kimkins thing so sad. I hope you learned that you do have discipline, and you can use that discipline to lose weight in a healthy way.

[CarolynF]

LisainTN..

Many of us when we first starting LCing read Dr. Atkins books and learned alot about why LCing works. I had no idea what LCing was all about until I researched it. Dr. Groves has an excellent book, too..called, "Natural Health and Weight Loss". It explains about the importance of health and how lcing the way to go for health. Let me check mine to see if he says anything about fibro..

Here is a thread you might read I found for ya: chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia and feeling worse on low carb?

[Tanner]

Thanks for the explaination Stews

[quote=stews;9281358]she did explain this earlier in the thread and others (even some that had pointed out the same thing you did) agreed there IS a difference in what she did. she cut out parts of a post within the same thread she was posting in. so it's there for all to go back and see the context it was originally written in. those bringing partial posts over from the kimmer board is not the same. those of us that can't go read the posts in their entirety have no way to go see the context it was written in. we don't have access to that information.

[anipomoni]

I really can't say what I want to right now b/c I don't want anyone to get in a snit.

But I can say that Kimkins is NOT LOW CARB!! It's low everything.

[LISAinTN]

Originally Posted by anani

Lisa, don't apologize...I think you have the right to be miffed here .
Everyone, I think it's counterproductive to discuss individual KK members here.

Lisa came here for support and anything about her experience at Kimkins is hers to discuss as she sees fit. It was her experience and it's not our place to interpret it. Not attacking anyone here, but maybe it's time to clean up our act a bit and be a wee bit more sensitive.

We're here to stop Heidi and her henchmen not to analyze the thinking of KK members.

Lisa

Hi Anani, thanks for the welcome. These kinds of things really are giving this community a bad rap and I hate for that to happen because I've met nothing but nice people here so far. Everyone makes mistakes or has a bad day. I'm willing to move on and forget it. You all have been really helpful and kind. Thanks for that.

[golite]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Thanks, I will try and find that. That's one problem I am having right now is that I just don't know where to go from here. Believe it or not, I still find myself wanting to do Kimkins because it worked. I know that sounds really sick, but for the first time in years, I have felt really good about myself and I am very sad to think of going back to the way I was. I hated myself and had no life. I hibernated and was a spectator in my own life. I think that's why I was so easily sucked in my Kimmer. I thought she was my friend. I thought she truly cared and even just typing this, makes me cry. I was just 20 lbs. from my goal and when you've lost nearly 70, having only 20 left, well I thought I was looking good. lol I really enjoyed the summer this year for the first time in a LONG time and got to even wear some cute clothes. I have to try and get a handle on this and decide where to go from here, before I backslide again.

Blessings,
Lisa

Lisa, I think it just sounds human. Some of us didn't get 'sucked" in to doing kk, but it doesn't mean we didn't strongly consider it.
Even in the light of everything we know about kimmer and the dangers of kimkins, it's still easy to think "what if I just did it a few days?"
It works as far as taking off the pounds and that's hard to put aside when you're more than 100 lbs. overweight like me.
The damage however is what keeps me from dabbling in it though and if others hadn't gone before me................

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by dlslds

TY for posting this again I wish it could be posted in each new thread, its so important!!!!

I know. I have posted it a few times but I know it gets missed in these huge threads. So whenever I hear the "oh what's thyroid and metabolism have to do with Kimkins" I try and repost it. (Well first I get really and then I repost it)

[lisabinil]

I even tried Kimkins for a day early in my lc journey. I only made it to the second day as my stomach was growling so loud I was embarrassed at work.

[anani]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Thanks, I will try and find that. That's one problem I am having right now is that I just don't know where to go from here. Believe it or not, I still find myself wanting to do Kimkins because it worked. I know that sounds really sick, but for the first time in years, I have felt really good about myself and I am very sad to think of going back to the way I was. I hated myself and had no life. I hibernated and was a spectator in my own life. I think that's why I was so easily sucked in my Kimmer. I thought she was my friend. I thought she truly cared and even just typing this, makes me cry. I was just 20 lbs. from my goal and when you've lost nearly 70, having only 20 left, well I thought I was looking good. lol I really enjoyed the summer this year for the first time in a LONG time and got to even wear some cute clothes. I have to try and get a handle on this and decide where to go from here, before I backslide again.

Blessings,
Lisa

Lisa I can so relate to everything you said here. I have been away from Kimkins since July but I have also been very tempted to use that plan again. I think many ex-members are experiencing this. I loved the feeling of control I had with it. After struggling with binging for most of my life, to suddenly find myself not hungry and being satisfied with small amounts of food was a miracle. I felt so good about myself.
I still have 40 pounds to lose and I see that now as an opportunity. I realize now that the only hope I have of getting to a healthy weight and staying there is to find a healthy woe that is sustainable for life.
I have been very confused like you, so in the last few weeks I have been just maintaining my weight until I get my thinking sorted out. I have had some binge episodes that have caused my weight to go up a bit, but Atkins seems to work really well for me to bring it back down. So I am pretty sure that will be my lifetime woe.
I don't post a lot here but the knowledge here of some of these amazing members has really helped!

[LISAinTN]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Bolded above (mine) - I've never heard it put that way, but it described the way I lived for years. I'm so sorry. Again I will say, that's what makes the whole Kimkins thing so sad. I hope you learned that you do have discipline, and you can use that discipline to lose weight in a healthy way.

I always say that. I didn't even participate in my own life. That's how it's felt. I watched my mom do this for years. She'd never swim with us, never do anything with her life because she hated how she looked. I swore I'd never be that way and then I was. I was always dieting for the next event so I could finally feel good about myself. I remember wanting so badly to be thin by the time I turned 30 and I blew that. Then there was my sons highscool graduation coming up and I blew that, too. NO pictures of myself with my only child at his graduation!! How terrible is that? Then I swore I would not let 40 go by being fat........and I did. Then my son got married.......hate all those pictures, too. Then my sister lost her only child, my 16 year old nephew, in a car accident and that did something to me. I realized how short life can really be, so I thought I would try just ONE more time. And that really was my attitude. If I didn't do it this time then I had to try and find some way to be happy with myself at 237 lbs. So I found Kimkins and with Kimkins I finally got a handle on this and for the first time in 20+ years, I participated in my own life this summer. I went out on the boat, which I refused to do before. I went hiking in the state parks and LOVED it. That was just last month. And then this mess with Kimkins. It just did something to me. And to be honest, I've been eating like a pig, drinking beer, eating icecream and gaining again. I just don't think that woman realizes what she's done to people. I was so devestated by the whole thing, I just immediately went back to my old habits.......habits of comfort I guess. Anyway, sorry to have rambled. The more I type, the more I want her stopped, too. I just don't want one other person to end up feeling the way I do right now.

[Carolina Rose]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

See, the other reason I went to Kimkins is because I only had success the very first time I tried Atkins, after that I couldn't seem to lose on it anymore. Then I started reading about.........I think people called it the "one golden shot" or something like that. I got scared that I had blown my chance and looked for other alternatives. Maybe when I'm ready, you all could show me how to tweak. I once considered myself a dieting expert pratically and now I feel like I have no clue what to do next. This whole Kimmer thing has really messed with my head.

Lisa ~ first of all .... I remember you from the KK site (I had a different user name there). And I remember how friendly and kind (and successful!) you were. It's sad that Kimkins turned out to be one of those "too good to be true" scenarios, but I'm glad you're looking for healthy alternatives to get those last 20 pounds off.

Secondly, I could have written that above paragraph myself, it so closely resembles my experience. I lost so well (90 pounds in 9 months) during my first real attempt at Atkins, but I went through some drastic life changes at the time and ended up falling back into the arms of my first love .... FOOD! Since then I've struggled and even though I knew better from years of reading Kimmer's posts here, I still joined her site, hoping that maybe it was the "magic" WOE that would finally enable me to get back on track. I was wrong. And, like you, I'm really struggling with what to do next. I have since found out that I'm hypothyroid and everything is so much harder than it was back in 1999 when I first discovered low carb (and LCF).

Anyway, Lisa, excuse my ramblings, but I do want to say that I wish you the best. There is plenty of support to be found on this website. If you decide not to stay here, I hope you do find a place you can plug in to. You know, Jimmy has a new forum as does Amy (curlygirl). You would be a real asset to any forum you decide to call home.

[LISAinTN]

Originally Posted by anani

Lisa I can so relate to everything you said here. I have been away from Kimkins since July but I have also been very tempted to use that plan again. I think many ex-members are experiencing this. I loved the feeling of control I had with it. After struggling with binging for most of my life, to suddenly find myself not hungry and being satisfied with small amounts of food was a miracle. I felt so good about myself.
I still have 40 pounds to lose and I see that now as an opportunity. I realize now that the only hope I have of getting to a healthy weight and staying there is to find a healthy woe that is sustainable for life.
I have been very confused like you, so in the last few weeks I have been just maintaining my weight until I get my thinking sorted out. I have had some binge episodes that have caused my weight to go up a bit, but Atkins seems to work really well for me to bring it back down. So I am pretty sure that will be my lifetime woe.
I don't post a lot here but the knowledge here of some of these amazing members has really helped!

I know anani! For the first time in my life, I felt like food didn't control me anymore. It was SUCH a great feeling. I could go through the day without thinking about it and being obsessed about what I would eat next. But now I wonder if I went from food controling me, to Kimmer controling me in a way. I don't mean to sound like I'm totally blaming her. I have free will and at least a small portion of a brain, I think. LOL I can make up my own mind, but I chose to follow what she said.

Oh and to what everyone said earlier about my comments regarding Richard Simmons and Jenny Craig. You are all so right. They do show themselves and prove that their plans work and they probably are given the thumbs up by real medical doctors. So at least I can be thankful I wasn't drinking the kool-aid again when I did Richards plan. LOL But I do still get skeered when I see him in those shorts outfits.

[LISAinTN]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Lisa ~ first of all .... I remember you from the KK site (I had a different user name there). And I remember how friendly and kind (and successful!) you were. It's sad that Kimkins turned out to be one of those "too good to be true" scenarios, but I'm glad you're looking for healthy alternatives to get those last 20 pounds off.

Secondly, I could have written that above paragraph myself, it so closely resembles my experience. I lost so well (90 pounds in 9 months) during my first real attempt at Atkins, but I went through some drastic life changes at the time and ended up falling back into the arms of my first love .... FOOD! Since then I've struggled and even though I knew better from years of reading Kimmer's posts here, I still joined her site, hoping that maybe it was the "magic" WOE that would finally enable me to get back on track. I was wrong. And, like you, I'm really struggling with what to do next. I have since found out that I'm hypothyroid and everything is so much harder than it was back in 1999 when I first discovered low carb (and LCF).

Anyway, Lisa, excuse my ramblings, but I do want to say that I wish you the best. There is plenty of support to be found on this website. If you decide not to stay here, I hope you do find a place you can plug in to. You know, Jimmy has a new forum as does Amy (curlygirl). You would be a real asset to any forum you decide to call home.

Gosh, thank you for your kind words. I have been at Jimmy's forum and everyone there is really nice, too. I'm sorry about the hypothyroid. I wish you much success in whatever you decide to do. I hope we both find a plan that works for us. Take care.

Blessings,
Lisa

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

I totally agree and I think all along THEY were the heart of that community. Kimmer/Heidi had little to do with any of it when you really think about it.

You like my Heidi/Kimmer two headed duck?

Very much!

[anani]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

I always say that. I didn't even participate in my own life. That's how it's felt. I watched my mom do this for years. She'd never swim with us, never do anything with her life because she hated how she looked. I swore I'd never be that way and then I was. I was always dieting for the next event so I could finally feel good about myself. I remember wanting so badly to be thin by the time I turned 30 and I blew that. Then there was my sons highscool graduation coming up and I blew that, too. NO pictures of myself with my only child at his graduation!! How terrible is that? Then I swore I would not let 40 go by being fat........and I did. Then my son got married.......hate all those pictures, too. Then my sister lost her only child, my 16 year old nephew, in a car accident and that did something to me. I realized how short life can really be, so I thought I would try just ONE more time. And that really was my attitude. If I didn't do it this time then I had to try and find some way to be happy with myself at 237 lbs. So I found Kimkins and with Kimkins I finally got a handle on this and for the first time in 20+ years, I participated in my own life this summer. I went out on the boat, which I refused to do before. I went hiking in the state parks and LOVED it. That was just last month. And then this mess with Kimkins. It just did something to me. And to be honest, I've been eating like a pig, drinking beer, eating icecream and gaining again. I just don't think that woman realizes what she's done to people. I was so devestated by the whole thing, I just immediately went back to my old habits.......habits of comfort I guess. Anyway, sorry to have rambled. The more I type, the more I want her stopped, too. I just don't want one other person to end up feeling the way I do right now.

Oh Lisa...I haven't cried in a while over this mess, but reading this has tears streaming down my face. It's like reading my own story. But I can't stress this enough...if we give into this, we become one of Heidi's victims. And we CAN'T let that happen. Kimkins may have been the completely wrong way to lose weight, but it took an enormous amount of strength to stick to it. YOU did that!!! Not Heidi!!! It was YOUR determination to reclaim your life that let you come as far as you have. If you can stick to Kimkins, you can stick to anything. You must be looking pretty darned good right now if you're only 20 pounds from goal. So what if it takes another 6 months to lose it.
Time is going to pass no matter what we do, so I tell myself, in 6 months or even a year if it takes that long, I can be at goal or I can have gained all of my weight back. I can live with losing 5 pounds a month. I CANNOT live with gaining my weight back.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Just some thoughts this morning..

We have been inundated with unsafe children's toys manufactured in China lately. I'm not sure what the repercussions of these toys are, but my husband, who deals with China on business, says that their standards are not near what the USA demands. They are not that concerned about health and safety as our country is. The same is true for the Kimkins diet. The creator (Kimmer/Heidi Diaz) is similar to China. She wants to make a fast buck, have people lose weight so SHE looks good, and she doesn't care about their health.

Not all children will choke on a doll or a toy that is defectively manufactured just as not all KKers will suffer dire health consequences. But, I ask you this..How many women with diet-related heart problems does it take? How many women with hair loss or fainting spells while driving does it take? How many women who lose muscle mass does it take? It may not happen to YOU, but it IS happening to many of your KK colleagues. Don't you care???

The baby across the street might choke to death on a Chinese-made toy. Don't you care?

There are many women on other sites suffering emotionally and physically from being on KKins. Don't you care?

This thread is all about THEM. Sure we might step on toes and we are all sorry for that. However, we will all glady step on a few toes if it saves a life.
That is how serious we are about this.

This is an excellent analogy, Carolyn! Thank you! BTW, I love your latest avi - you always come up with some good ones.

Originally Posted by jezzie

Yes, agreed. China does not meet my standards either. And no one could ever talk me into
a diet under 1800 calories.

And I haven't joined any club that's spending three months planning the destruction of China
(interspersed with humor of course) .

Well, some people do choose to get involved in activism to stop dangerous business practices. Here's a response to your siggy, one I take to heart

Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, rebuke and expose them. (NLT)

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Great idea - maybe someone should form a committee to set China straight......
That's a big problem IMHO - some people are too complacent!!!!

I agree with you, Cheryl. And then those same complacent people will one day get mad and holler, "Why didn't anybody DO anything?!"

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

What I'm confused about is WHY isn't the PM function working when the rest of the site is up and running smoothly? Any computer experts know why this is occurring?

My best guess is that Heidi asked the techs to install some sort of tweak so the PM's could not be copied and therefore can't be posted elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

You know what I was thinking last night? I have been on the boards here for years. Kimkins was not my first or only BB community, but if it was I might have defended Heidi for a while too. I think that some of the people that are defending Kimkins just don't want to lose what they have found in the community there, because it is all they know. Does that make sense?

Makes perfect sense. Great new avi, too.

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Doodle: Absolutely..This happens all the time. It happens in churches alot. People will stay with a church because of the people, even though they don't
care for the preacher or don't believe what he is saying. I have seen this happen several times in my personal circle of friends.

There are many OTHER wonderful places on the net for lowcarb community..They just have to be creative and "find their friends". I guess Amy has 300 peeps and Jimmy has a bunch and we have a bunch and there are other places. They should all just go together..

I think alot of the Becky/Christin/Deni/Amy fans are with them..which is a wonderful place for them to be. These gals are great!!!

Carolyn, you've touched on something I've experienced several times in my life, in churches and on other message boards. Thanks for adding that.

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

The fact that he gained almost 20 pounds in two weeks should be an indication that something is not quite right.

Ya' think?!?!! As that one comedian says, "Here's yer sign!"

Originally Posted by sissypoo

I'm several pages behind so I don't know if anyone addressed this or not. Fawn is the one who wrote the post "Kimmer the legend". She is posting at Jimmy's now and is getting totally furious if someone even asks her about that post. She has even gone to Jimmy and told him to tell those people (I guess there were three different incidents) to leave her alone. If she would just explain her sudden change of mind, it would clear it all up. I think she's weird.

Part of the self-healing process in anything is to OWN UP to what you've done. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Sure it's hard and makes one "uncomfortable", but it's necessary.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

I always say that. I didn't even participate in my own life. That's how it's felt. I watched my mom do this for years. She'd never swim with us, never do anything with her life because she hated how she looked. I swore I'd never be that way and then I was. I was always dieting for the next event so I could finally feel good about myself. I remember wanting so badly to be thin by the time I turned 30 and I blew that. Then there was my sons highscool graduation coming up and I blew that, too. NO pictures of myself with my only child at his graduation!! How terrible is that? Then I swore I would not let 40 go by being fat........and I did. Then my son got married.......hate all those pictures, too. Then my sister lost her only child, my 16 year old nephew, in a car accident and that did something to me. I realized how short life can really be, so I thought I would try just ONE more time. And that really was my attitude. If I didn't do it this time then I had to try and find some way to be happy with myself at 237 lbs. So I found Kimkins and with Kimkins I finally got a handle on this and for the first time in 20+ years, I participated in my own life this summer. I went out on the boat, which I refused to do before. I went hiking in the state parks and LOVED it. That was just last month. And then this mess with Kimkins. It just did something to me. And to be honest, I've been eating like a pig, drinking beer, eating icecream and gaining again. I just don't think that woman realizes what she's done to people. I was so devestated by the whole thing, I just immediately went back to my old habits.......habits of comfort I guess. Anyway, sorry to have rambled. The more I type, the more I want her stopped, too. I just don't want one other person to end up feeling the way I do right now.

I don't think you can get private messages yet, but when you can, I will send you one.

Hang in there girl!

[lisabinil]

"Part of the self-healing process in anything is to OWN UP to what you've done. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Sure it's hard and makes one "uncomfortable", but it's necessary."

So true Sheridan-then true healing and acceptance can start.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by anani

Oh Lisa...I haven't cried in a while over this mess, but reading this has tears streaming down my face. It's like reading my own story. But I can't stress this enough...if we give into this, we become one of Heidi's victims. And we CAN'T let that happen. Kimkins may have been the completely wrong way to lose weight, but it took an enormous amount of strength to stick to it. YOU did that!!! Not Heidi!!! It was YOUR determination to reclaim your life that let you come as far as you have. If you can stick to Kimkins, you can stick to anything. You must be looking pretty darned good right now if you're only 20 pounds from goal. So what if it takes another 6 months to lose it.
Time is going to pass no matter what we do, so I tell myself, in 6 months or even a year if it takes that long, I can be at goal or I can have gained all of my weight back. I can live with losing 5 pounds a month. I CANNOT live with gaining my weight back.

That is exactly what I said to Lisa, and then I lost my post before hitting submit. SHE did it because her mind was in the right place to do something for herself when the Kimkins sham came along.

[Cutie]