Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[JoSkids]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Thank you for this. I've been beating myself up for this for days. I am not college educated, but I do consider myself a halfways intelligent 42 year old. But for the last few days, I've been wondering, if I had been in Jonestown in '78, would I have drank the Koolaid? lol I had done Atkins before. I did know about low-carb, but I listened to everything that Kimmer told me to do without even questioning it. I had many private conversations with Kimmer and she did encourage me to cut my calories very low. I have FMS so I stay away from diet pop because of all the artificial poisons......whoops, I mean sweeteners. lol She even convinced me to start drinking pop again. For days I have now wondered what in the heck is wrong with me. I've been at both ends of the seesaw with this and I think I even sat in the middle for a few days. Sometimes I wonder how I could be so stupid and then other times I think about people like Richard Simmons and Jenny Craig and the like. They're not doctors and how many people, including me, have done everything Richard Simmons has said. I bought his tapes, I followed his diet.

I do know in the future I will keep my health in mind rather then running blindly into any diet plan.

Blessings,
Lisa

I think that Richard Simmons and Jenny Craigs' diets were developed by nutritionists/DRs - not themselves and then their names were attached to that WOE - correct me if I am wrong. And if their woe was bad and people were suffering ill effects, these "diets" wouldn't still be out there.

[Peskie]

Originally Posted by Tanner

You can? REALLY? .. then why not just post it -
Oh private stuff ect.. BLAH BLAH -- I have heard it all before --
If you thought that was an issue you would not have posted this reply Would you..?

You seem to be walking the middle ground here.

I disagree....I think it speaks of her integrity that she says she thinks it's wrong that one person would pull posts over and then refuses to cave into the same thing.

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

I wish high school would teach nutrition as part of their curriculum so that these kids could learn how to eat in a healthy way. They learn it in the lower grades, but not as a required class in high school.

I haven't caught up this morning, but I wanted to say that my son did get 6 weeks of nutrition as part of their "health" semester. Unfortunately they taught high carb, low fat.

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

I am pages behind in the reading but I got to disagree with that statement. The Kinkins diet as written is to borrow controlledcarbs line nutritionally bankrupt! even short term any one doing is is going to be be to use kimmers term setting themselves up for a domino effect. <snip>

I should have clarified: I mean the original Kimkins plan that was on here which used fats and had 20g carbs(not net) -which was (as stated by Kimmer) Atkins Turbo or Atkins '72/'92, not the plan that is on the kimkins site.

[Mrs. Steve]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Oh don't get me wrong - I don't think that Heidi sent them per se. What gets me upset is these poor people shouldn't even HAVE to defend her. I'm sure when they paid their membership fees this is not what they expected.

I just thought of something - could her defenders possibly be having doubts themselves? In the beginning I too tried to defend her (cause I thought she was being picked on) until I really started reading all the evidence and in good faith I couldn't continue.

There's still hope!

This is totally possible. Speaking for myself, I NEVER defended her to members, but I DID defend the diet itself to my mom and DH, when we first heard that she was a fraud, and that people had concerns about the safety of KK. I didn't want to admit that I had been fooled. It hurt. It was like finding out a relationship was not really what you thought it was. It felt (on a smaller scale) like finding out that my (ex) husband was cheating. KWIM? It's hard to explain, but it felt like I had been living a lie. I don't know if that makes any sense at all. It felt like betrayal. When I found this diet, I thought I had finally found the ONLY diet that would work for me. This diet was going to be the one to change my life forever. Much like when you find someone to spend your life with. You feel happy, relieved that you don't have to look any further. Then, everything you believed is shown to be a lie. Betrayal. You don't want it to be true, so as you defend it, you're really trying to convince yourself that everything is ok. Then someone pulls back that curtain, and exposes the all powerful OZ. Nothing like what you had come to believe in.
I think that when Heidi is finally completely exposed and held accountable, I will feel validated, and feel closure. Like finally accepting that a divorce is final, and done. Time to move forward and get on with your life.
Does this make any sense at all? It is 4:30 am, and I am having a bit of insomnia. I could be delerious here. LOL.

[teri f]

Originally Posted by sallyk

I have to say it. I know it is not nice. I know it is down right evil of me. But I am going to say it. I really am a nice person. But I have to get this off my chest.

I almost felt a proud, like I knew it, when I saw the PI pictures. That is why several years ago, I was one to ask for updated pictures. Something about her "after" picture just didn't sit well with me. And my "untrusting" feeling about Kimmer over the years, esp. after seeing the WW article, which I bought the magazine, just for that article, was what made me notice the "Why the fasination with Kimmer" thread in the first place.

Hopefully I won't get slammed for this, but I feel better.

Sally--I felt EXACTLY the same way. Did you ever see the Stephen King movie "Needful Things"? She always reminded me of that nasty shop keeper who seemed so kind and caring in the beginning...

[Violet Skye]

I'm sorry that these women feel that we have done something wrong but I mirror all of the previous posts that said we have not. I'm not sorry for caring about other people, in fact I would hate to live my life only caring about myself. I actually enjoy the knowledge that I can help people and that united women can make a difference for other women.

Same here. In fact, one of the quotes that most inspired me is the well-known one by Hillel: If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when? This pertains very much to the struggle that's been going on for lo these many Fascination threads. If we don't speak up, then we run the risk of more peoples' health being decimated because of this destructive WOE. This is a risk I am not ready to take. Tikkun olam (healing the world) is important to me, and this is part of the healing process - to create an environment like this thread where people can experience the catharsis of the emotional roller coaster when needed. Other threads - and boards - are warmer and fuzzier, and I sincerely and 100% non-snarkily suggest that ex-KKers check out these places to find their niche if that's what they feel they'd benefit from.

LISAinTN, I was touched by your posts. I am also frequently accused of being too nice, so I'm going to share a few factoids with you that may make you feel less guilty for trashing Heidikins - first of all, she's a habitual scam artist, according to members of her family, and has been in prison at least once. This takes her out of the realm of being an object of empathy for living with a mental illness, at least for me, and I've worked in a psych hospital for over 16 years and would never tolerate dissing anyone who has mental health problems. She's crossed the line into downright criminal behaviour, and must be stopped.

As for the public faces of other diets, such as Jenny Craig and Richard Simmons, when you have nothing to hide, you simply don't hide. I read one of Richard Simmons' books, and he actually lost weight very quickly initially on a semi-starvation plan of his own devising. He also lost his hair, his muscle tone, lost consciousness (IIRC) and so on. Sound familiar? But he researched a better way to lose weight, implemented it, started his empire and has helped a lot of people. He's very forthright about how not to lose weight, and how to do it right.

[MyCannelloni]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

I had many private conversations with Kimmer and she did encourage me to cut my calories very low. I have FMS so I stay away from diet pop because of all the artificial poisons......whoops, I mean sweeteners. lol She even convinced me to start drinking pop again.

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I am so sorry about your health problems and hope you will feel welcome here, anywhere at LCF or at one of the other forums.

[MyCannelloni]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

How about Heidi? For four years she has sat in front of her computer day after day and made post after post of pure BS. "Talk about addicitive personalities", she should get ONE and stick to it.

Post of the Year

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Mrs.M: I am sure those ladies didn't walk share that they were eating very low calories with their doctors at all. In fact, Christin's cardiologist was shocked at the KK diet when she explained it to him after her "episode" last week. If a doctor thinks it is fine to eat
500 calories a day UNSUPERVISED by him on a weekly basis, then he should have his license revoked.

I wish high school would teach nutrition as part of their curriculum so that these kids could learn how to eat in a healthy way. They learn it in the lower grades, but not as a required class in high school.

Carolyn its because they don't tell them its 500 calories, they just a show a menu of politically correct lean meats and veggies and the docs think its great. They aren't told about the calories, SNATT etc

How many normal everyday doctors can look at a menu and get an idea of how many calories it is? Most aren't going to know unless they are calorie counting themselves.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Mrs.M: I am sure those ladies didn't walk share that they were eating very low calories with their doctors at all. In fact, Christin's cardiologist was shocked at the KK diet when she explained it to him after her "episode" last week. If a doctor thinks it is fine to eat
500 calories a day UNSUPERVISED by him on a weekly basis, then he should have his license revoked.

I wish high school would teach nutrition as part of their curriculum so that these kids could learn how to eat in a healthy way. They learn it in the lower grades, but not as a required class in high school.

Well then in a way you're lucky...

Ours do as part of Home Ec and it's all based around our agriculture industry!

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by anani

Well, I said I was bowing out of the fight for a while, but after reading some of the posts this evening, I feel the need to add some of my own thoughts if it’s okay
.
I guess I am a little tired of people taking some sort of misinformed moral high ground in their judgement of the intentions of the people united in the fight to stop Kimkins.

Vandy, I’m sorry, but I found it rather hypocritical that you were upset with your post being taken out of context, due to it not being posted in it’s entirety, when you have pretty much taken this entire thread and it’s purpose out of context. It seems you have focused only parts that support your own beliefs and for the most part ignored and denounced the very real, heartfelt and honourable intentions of the people here. Like you accused us of doing, you picked snippets from here and there, and haven’t taken the time to look at the whole picture and properly evaluated the true motives of the people spending their valuable time here.

No one has denied that there have been times when things got out of hand. Yes there have been for sure some tasteless remarks and jokes. But if you had truly looked at this entire thread with an open mind, you would know that those episodes are by far the exception. If you had taken the time to really read through all of this then you would have no choice but to see that the vast majority people here are full of love, caring and real compassion. Along with the rare off colour remark or joke, there has been also been some very strong support. There's been A LOT of heartbreak and oceans of real tears have flowed. And yes, some seriously hilarious and harmless fun. We can’t cry or be angry all of the time. And if I am going to be completely honest, I can't say my personal motives for being here have been 100% altruistic 100% of the time. I am not one bit ashamed to admit that some of this has been quite entertaining at times. But no one has ever lost site of why we're really here.

This is not a feeding frenzy! Far from a mob mentality, or a group of bored people unable to think for themselves, the reality is that this thread is comprised of a diverse group of highly intelligent, very talented, funny, creative, compassionate, individuals coming together from all over the world in a fight to stop a very dangerous, cruel woman and to keep her from doing any more harm. She has not only broken the law in so many way, I have lost count…. she is truly and wilfully hurting and exploiting people. And will continue to do so unless she is stopped. You may be sceptical of that and choose to dismiss the heart wrenching real stories of those who have been hurt, but those contributing their efforts here, care too much to dismiss them and won’t rest until justice is served.

There are a lot of very different people here with different personalities, different levels of emotion, different senses of humour and different cultural backgrounds so it’s understandable that things can get a little wonky occasionally. Due to those facts, I am constantly amazed at the synergy and harmony here and how a group of dedicated and caring people with so many differences can combine their individual unique talents and accomplish what they have. Far from something to be criticized and scorned, what has happened here is quite phenomenal and gives me hope. Hope in humanity. Far too often these days, people just look the other way or say “what can one person do?” Well there are a lot of “one persons” here and in the other places, that got together and are about to sink the Kimtanic. LCF and all of the other threads and blogs have proven that there’s strength in numbers. That one person really can make a difference.

To all of you amazing people here, I am very proud to be part of this group and consider it a privilege to have gotten to know you all. Some of you have made me laugh till my guts hurt…and I swear to God that I have spewed beverages more than once across my computer, but you have also all touched my heart deeply, because I was one of the ones you saved. Kimkins could have been a disaster for me, but instead I will have come away from this a better and far richer person.

Wow!!!!Well said, glad you decided to jump back in, only if it was to say this.

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by teri f

Sally--I felt EXACTLY the same way. Did you ever see the Stephen King movie "Needful Things"? She always reminded me of that nasty shop keeper who seemed so kind and caring in the beginning...

Hmmm...makes me want to watch it, but unfortanately I can't handle Stephen King movies.

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by missis36

Mary forgive me for catching up and not getting to this sooner, but I think you are taking everything out of context. The posts being posted from over there belong to the snarkiest of the snarky. People who are treating their own members like crap. No one posted your posts, and furthermore to say you won't visit other areas of the site is really quite sad. THIS is the fascination with Kimmer thread. This is in one area of this great site. I urge you to search through the main lobby, and you will find a place you belong. Kimmer is not discussed outside of this area. So please stay and enjoy. And realize that the posts being posted over here were to further our point.

I wish you the best.

There is also a support group for those who need to heal by all of this. It is for Kimmer's members who need help, but who also may not like what we are doing on this thread. Please, I urge her to go look for this thread that I speak of.

And just to let you know, Mary, I don't belong on that thread, so after I read the first couple of posts, I realized it was a good thing, but since I never was hurt by Kimmer or scammed by her, I don't even feel I should read them, mostly because I don't feel as though it is my business. Please know that there are many of us who do care and are very nice people. She is a criminal against dieters, like Michael Vick was a criminal against dogs. So why shouldn't we want justice.

I don't really recall any posts where a poster got laughed at, unless it was because they were making fun of us, or supporting Kimmer, even though all the evidence that she is a fraud, yet they still think she is the greatest. I may be wrong, because sometimes I can't read all of this thread. So please show me were I am wrong, if you know of it.

[MyCannelloni]

Originally Posted by stardust1

Gina, agree 100%. I actually posted a question to Kimmer once since I was promised "direct access" to her and I asked her some questions, like: How many calories do you eat per day, how many carbs, how do you maintain your weight etc. She never responded, but others did. Well, Tippy did too - she basically told me to stop asking questions, I think she told me not to think about the maintenance part and to focus on my diet. If anybody could copy/paste her response and my post, I would highly appreciate that.
She told me not to care? The last time I lost weight, I did very well until I messed up during maintenance by not really doing maintenance, and you're telling me not to care? And who are you again, Tippy?

Tippy does not have a reply listed in your "To Kimmer" thread. Interestingly, it says you last visited Kimkins today .

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Replace the word her with any hate group name and see if you'd use that same logic to belong.

This sentence really was very powerful to me. I just wanted to tell you that. Very powerful.

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Gina I agree that being silent in what you KNOW is not correct and that silence is showing agreement in many ways.
Many of us started to speak out to get the message to those who had not been informed of the dangers of Kimkins and the danger to their health. Maybe our ways have not always been the best ways or those above reproach but at least we have been speaking out when we knew wrong was being done.

So if others want us to believe we are lowering ourselves by showing the wrong in kimkins by posting in this thread, or by joking with one-liners and some pics then how low would it be not to say anything at all and continue to allow the harm to have been done????

This is a quote from a kk member who left the site and I find it very to the point as to why being silent and taking what works for you is not helping those that were/are in danger.
"By staying here for any reason …all of you are helping to legitimize and give credibility to a site that was created for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to scam people out of their money. She created a very dangerous, false crash diet that she didn’t even follow herself. The site is being kept running for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to scam MORE people out of their money.".

Here, here - Brava

[CARBBABY]

Originally Posted by anani

Well, I said I was bowing out of the fight for a while, but after reading some of the posts this evening, I feel the need to add some of my own thoughts if it’s okay
.
I guess I am a little tired of people taking some sort of misinformed moral high ground in their judgement of the intentions of the people united in the fight to stop Kimkins.

Vandy, I’m sorry, but I found it rather hypocritical that you were upset with your post being taken out of context, due to it not being posted in it’s entirety, when you have pretty much taken this entire thread and it’s purpose out of context. It seems you have focused only parts that support your own beliefs and for the most part ignored and denounced the very real, heartfelt and honourable intentions of the people here. Like you accused us of doing, you picked snippets from here and there, and haven’t taken the time to look at the whole picture and properly evaluated the true motives of the people spending their valuable time here.

No one has denied that there have been times when things got out of hand. Yes there have been for sure some tasteless remarks and jokes. But if you had truly looked at this entire thread with an open mind, you would know that those episodes are by far the exception. If you had taken the time to really read through all of this then you would have no choice but to see that the vast majority people here are full of love, caring and real compassion. Along with the rare off colour remark or joke, there has been also been some very strong support. There's been A LOT of heartbreak and oceans of real tears have flowed. And yes, some seriously hilarious and harmless fun. We can’t cry or be angry all of the time. And if I am going to be completely honest, I can't say my personal motives for being here have been 100% altruistic 100% of the time. I am not one bit ashamed to admit that some of this has been quite entertaining at times. But no one has ever lost site of why we're really here.

This is not a feeding frenzy! Far from a mob mentality, or a group of bored people unable to think for themselves, the reality is that this thread is comprised of a diverse group of highly intelligent, very talented, funny, creative, compassionate, individuals coming together from all over the world in a fight to stop a very dangerous, cruel woman and to keep her from doing any more harm. She has not only broken the law in so many way, I have lost count…. she is truly and wilfully hurting and exploiting people. And will continue to do so unless she is stopped. You may be sceptical of that and choose to dismiss the heart wrenching real stories of those who have been hurt, but those contributing their efforts here, care too much to dismiss them and won’t rest until justice is served.

There are a lot of very different people here with different personalities, different levels of emotion, different senses of humour and different cultural backgrounds so it’s understandable that things can get a little wonky occasionally. Due to those facts, I am constantly amazed at the synergy and harmony here and how a group of dedicated and caring people with so many differences can combine their individual unique talents and accomplish what they have. Far from something to be criticized and scorned, what has happened here is quite phenomenal and gives me hope. Hope in humanity. Far too often these days, people just look the other way or say “what can one person do?” Well there are a lot of “one persons” here and in the other places, that got together and are about to sink the Kimtanic. LCF and all of the other threads and blogs have proven that there’s strength in numbers. That one person really can make a difference.

To all of you amazing people here, I am very proud to be part of this group and consider it a privilege to have gotten to know you all. Some of you have made me laugh till my guts hurt…and I swear to God that I have spewed beverages more than once across my computer, but you have also all touched my heart deeply, because I was one of the ones you saved. Kimkins could have been a disaster for me, but instead I will have come away from this a better and far richer person.

Awesome post.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by anani

To all of you amazing people here, I am very proud to be part of this group and consider it a privilege to have gotten to know you all. Some of you have made me laugh till my guts hurt…and I swear to God that I have spewed beverages more than once across my computer, but you have also all touched my heart deeply, because I was one of the ones you saved. Kimkins could have been a disaster for me, but instead I will have come away from this a better and far richer person.

Wonderful post and I just want to say thank you, too. I'm so grateful for this thread and the people here.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Tanner

not really its a pic of KK's van.. IIRC

the date on the picture is 08-15

guess the PI will need to step up..




s

That's a pic that used to have Heidi in it. Someone removed her from the pic to make a point.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by CARBBABY