Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[LISAinTN]

Originally Posted by Mommy2Many

I'm no expert here - in fact, I'm a stubbly headed wig wearing novice - but I've got some fuzz coming back. LOL

Biotin (I'm taking the 5000 caps 3x day), Omega 3 and 6 supplementation (I'm taking borage oil, flaxseed oil, and fish oil capsules), and sufficient fat and calories (I've taken to macnut oil and coconut oil for cooking, etc)... in addition to fixing your diet (calories, nutrients, etc..) seem to have been the key for me.

LOL! Thank you so much. You know how people pass on their fat clothes in clothing exchanges when they grow out of them? When your hair grows back, remember me if there's a wig exchange.

Blessings,
Lisa

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

then she posted this:

Re:Heads Up 20 Hours, 53 Minutes ago
You know ... have you read some of the posts over there? They spend hours upon hours in front of their computers posting about whats going on over here that they're losing sleep, late for their jobs, not showering, not cleaning their homes and not even cooking dinner for their families. One girl even made her husband wait to watch a movie with him so she could check the forum first!! Can you say "PRIORITIES?" LOL!

How ironic that the Topic is "Why the fascination with Kimmer" - yet they seem to be the only one's fascinated.
4 stickied threads and hundreds and hundreds of posts.

Talk about addicitive personalities.

What a waste of energy - completely non-productive. I almost feel sorry for them.

lol, very observent...

How about Heidi? For four years she has sat in front of her computer day after day and made post after post of pure BS. "Talk about addicitive personalities", she should get ONE and stick to it.

Dottie, we have all made great friendships over the years here together, I don't think Kimmer has one. Now, that should tell her members a lot, if they take notice. (Tippy gets paid,LOL!)

If any one is making fun of overweight people, it's Heidi. Every new member that pays her money, she is LHAO at. No lifetime membership, no one on one with Kimmer, EBoook???, maintenance plan (the one she told in podcast that she didn't have a month ago).
She made fun of posters here that couldn't follow her plan, they were weak. People that didn't lose a pound a day, she said lied about what they ate. ("Go eat a fatty cheeseburger)

She, right now, is making fun of every person sticking up for her and her diet.

[Kelly130]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Hi, I've never posted here before, but have been here as of late because I've been trying to do my own research in regard to this whole Kimkins viasco, so I could make up my own mind. My post was one of the ones pasted here earlier today from the KK board, that wasn't posted in it's entirety either. I'd like to post it here just for the record. The last paragraph was left out, the paragraph that showed my concerns for Kimmer. I felt that only the first part was posted because it looked like I was calling Kimmer out and suited someone elses needs for proving a point. I was calling her out in a way, but I also do feel compassion for her. Not sure if that's the correct word I should be using, but my heart is breaking for everyone involved here. I have been struggling for the last few days with feeling like I've had the wind knocked out of me. I've also felt great sadness for Kimmer because I just can't understand why a fellow human being would do this.

On a side note, I have had extensive hair loss from doing Kimkins, among many other side effects. It is devestating to me. I have FMS and Kimmer told me her plan would make it better. It didn't. It made me worse. So bad that my husband and I came close to selling my business this summer because I just couldn't keep up any more. The hair loss........well, maybe I am vain, but I've been scared to death that it's not going to stop. It hasn't stopped and it IS coming out in handfuls. I don't know how I have any left, I have lost so much and it was fine and thin to begin with. Anyway, sorry to ramble. My original post, that was posted in reply to Vandy J is long, but here it is if anyone wishes to read it. FYI, unless it was moved and I can't find it, it was deleted at some point this evening. I have not been banned yet.
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Vandy J, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have been off plan for a couple of months and came back a few days ago to try and get started again. I couldn't believe what had happened here in such a short period of time. I started doing a bit of research on the net and found a lot to read about all the controversy over Kimkins. I am not a psychic. I do not know if the pictures I've seen are real. I don't know if anything I have read is 100% accurate because I have not lived it myself. I was not an eye witness to any of the events. With that being said, if I could speak directly to Kimmer, this is what I would say.

Kimmer, all through my Kimkins journey, I have defended you tooth and nail. I too own my own business and I thought all the people asking questions and such were being rude and had no right to call you out in public the way they would over your name, your photo's, etc. But Kimmer, things are starting to change. Maybe they saw something I didn't, or maybe they are seeing something that's not there. I just don't know. I have read that you have said you won't fold to these people, that you just choose to ignore them so they'll go away. That works to a point Kimmer. It has come so far now that you owe it to your customers to prove the "haters" wrong, if they are indeed wrong. This is your chance to go on TV or meet with some longtime, reputable Kimkins members or admins from the early days and get some photo's taken to make this all go away. It's not just about you Kimmer........it's about what you owe your customers! It's your chance to say "SEE! I told you, you were wrong. Are you satisfied now?"! It no longer makes sense Kimmer, that you would continue to refuse to prove everyone wrong. That is the ONE thing that has swayed me to start to wonder if this all has been a scam. Staying quiet and not disproving the rumors makes you look like you're guilty. Kimmer, if this has all been a scam and it just snowballed out of control before you could stop it, PLEASE step up now and do the right thing and stop this. It will only be worse for you later if you wait until someone, like the authorities, steps in and makes you stop. Like I said, it's the one thing making me question all of this. You can bet if someone was trying to destroy my business in this way, I would be doing EVERYTHING to guard what I have worked so hard to build up. If all these rumors aren't true, why would you risk your entire business, your livelihood, your reputation, etc. by not coming forward to prove a few things wrong. Just because we have internet businesses and people can't walk into our brick and mortar storefront, doesn't mean they should't truly know who we are. Our customers have every right to know who they're dealing with. They're paying us!

I've had a REALLY hard time with this whole mess. I just didn't want to believe that someone would do this and I'm still not 100% sure what I believe. I believe that people make mistakes or get themselves into messes sometimes without meaning to. I believe that there are things in everyone's past that shapes them into who they are today. I believe it takes some people a lot longer then others to get out from underneath that and grow as a person. I believe there are people, like me for instance, that have to be knocked over the head several times with the same mistakes before we learn. I believe that nobody is perfect and therefore I have no right to judge you. I believe there are things in my past that I have done that would cause people to look down on me and I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me, so I try hard not to do it to others. In my mind, the difference between good and bad here is whether or not a person eventually does step up and take responsibility for their actions, right the wrongs and make the apologies. Please Kimmer, it's time to step up and do something......whether that is coming forward with some proof of who and what you are or whether it is coming forward with what has happened so you can start to fix things........that is up to you.

I'm praying for you and hoping this gets resolved for your sake and all of ours. God bless you.
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I've been accused of being too softhearted many times in my life. Maybe I am. I don't know. I don't condone anything that Kimmer has done. I think there should be consequences, but I think lowering ourselves to name calling and taking what sometimes appears to be outright glee in the downfall of another human being.......I don't know, it just isn't sitting right with me. It makes us no better then she is. I hurt for her.......I hurt for all of us. Again, sorry to have rambled. Thanks for your time.

Blessings,
Lisa

Hi Lisa,
(((HUGS)))
I remember you from kimkins........you started a thread that I lurked on and it was very inspiring to me. Then one day it seems you stopped posting and I was worried about your FMS...as were your friends on that thread.
I am very, very, very sorry about your FMS getting worse and about your hair loss.
You seem like an incredibly compassionate, caring person. You remind me of my sister; she always sees the good in people and its hard for her to understand that people might be inherently bad. Yes, its a lot easier to believe that Kimmer just made a mess that she can't get out of......it is horrifying to think that she is a scam artist without a care about the havoc she wreaks. But that's the conclusion I've come to. But regardless of where her heart lies, she is dispensing medical advice without a medical background. It is horrific that she told you that KK would make your disease better when in fact it made it worse.........and that you can still view her with compassion speaks to what an incredible person you are. I wish you all the best, with your health, and your emotional strength. I think this whole scenario has broken a lot of our hearts. For me, reading other kimkins survivors stories has been healing, it helps me realize that I am not alone in the emotions I have gone through. Again, best of luck to you.

[SisterMary]

I was banned from the Kimkins site for asking some sensitive questions. I decided to come here for support but after reading many of the posts, it saddens my heart to realize that I do not belong here either. What a mess. On one side is a woman who allegedly created a diet as a scam to make money. One the other side are mean and vindictive people who are stooping so low as to copy and paste posts from the kimkins site and make fun of them. The smiley face laying on his back laughing and kicking his feet is not cute or funny in relation to what is being posted. It is mean spirited and hurtful.

Even though I was banned and I am ticked, I really think that Kimmer and has behaved better than a large number of people that post in this forum. She was trying to make a buck and charged $60.00/person not thousands of dollars. I lost 40 lbs on Kimkins so it was money well spent and she can have it. I will get over my $60.00 spent, I have no ill effects to my health so I will be fine that way. What I won't get over is what I have read in this forum. It saddens my heart to see people putting so much time and energy into such hateful activities. We have enough enemies in these world without turning on one another. What I anticipated seeing here was possibly postings from the Kimkins site and ideas being thrown around about how to support the people still in the site not turn against them. Until recently I have stayed out of the controversy so maybe I am just naive. I can't even bear to go anywhere in this site and read postings. It would crush me to see something I posted at Kimkins copied and posted here and people laughing at me and saying mean things. I laid my heart out there many times, writing things that I couldn't even admit to myself a couple of months ago. Posting some of those things took a lot of courage from me and I just assumed that people were reading them and seeing that they are not alone in how they feel and that my words may have a positive effect with somone.

I will take the high road here and not trash any of you. Instead I will wish you the best of luck with your weight loss goals. I pray that you will be able to refocus your energy on the positive things in life that God has created for us to enjoy. I pray for you, I pray for the Kimkins members and I pray for Kimmer. I would never wish ill will on anyone. With tears running down my face, I say good-bye. I will find a place I belong, it just isn't here.

Take care,
Mary

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Thank you for this. I've been beating myself up for this for days. I am not college educated, but I do consider myself a halfways intelligent 42 year old. But for the last few days, I've been wondering, if I had been in Jonestown in '78, would I have drank the Koolaid? lol I had done Atkins before. I did know about low-carb, but I listened to everything that Kimmer told me to do without even questioning it. I had many private conversations with Kimmer and she did encourage me to cut my calories very low. I have FMS so I stay away from diet pop because of all the artificial poisons......whoops, I mean sweeteners. lol She even convinced me to start drinking pop again. For days I have now wondered what in the heck is wrong with me. I've been at both ends of the seesaw with this and I think I even sat in the middle for a few days. Sometimes I wonder how I could be so stupid and then other times I think about people like Richard Simmons and Jenny Craig and the like. They're not doctors and how many people, including me, have done everything Richard Simmons has said. I bought his tapes, I followed his diet.

I do know in the future I will keep my health in mind rather then running blindly into any diet plan.

Blessings,
Lisa

Lisa many of us hear joined kimkins and fell for her diet plan. So don't feel bad about falling prey. I did myself.
Another poster here tonight said it all when she showed quotes from Kimmer and how she can be so convincing. Look at this link and it is the post about midway down. Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

BTW-The part I was referring to about not agreeing with you on was based on the closing statement of how we are no better than kimmer because of how we are finding glee in her downfall. I am finding glee that she will not be able to do harm to others and I do find our actions better than hers and not to her level. Just my opinion.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Thank you for this. I've been beating myself up for this for days. I am not college educated, but I do consider myself a halfways intelligent 42 year old. But for the last few days, I've been wondering, if I had been in Jonestown in '78, would I have drank the Koolaid? lol I had done Atkins before. I did know about low-carb, but I listened to everything that Kimmer told me to do without even questioning it. I had many private conversations with Kimmer and she did encourage me to cut my calories very low. I have FMS so I stay away from diet pop because of all the artificial poisons......whoops, I mean sweeteners. lol She even convinced me to start drinking pop again. For days I have now wondered what in the heck is wrong with me. I've been at both ends of the seesaw with this and I think I even sat in the middle for a few days. Sometimes I wonder how I could be so stupid and then other times I think about people like Richard Simmons and Jenny Craig and the like. They're not doctors and how many people, including me, have done everything Richard Simmons has said. I bought his tapes, I followed his diet.

I do know in the future I will keep my health in mind rather then running blindly into any diet plan.

Blessings,
Lisa

Lisa, I am sorry to hear all these things. I am a nurse. I give advice to people daily, and I would never ever answer without knowing what I am talking about. I am a nurse and maybe that's why I get very upset when I read things and hear things that are being said on KK. I don't remember the last time I got really upset about something until I the whole Kimkins drama started. I am very, very angry, and I deal with my anger by joking about things that I can't change. Otherwise I would have to bang my head against the walls 24/7. I see people with ED's almost daily at my job, and it's hard for me to live with the fact that I have helped Kimmer with my money in some way. I don't have all the facts, but I know even though I believe in the good in people, there is nothing good to be found in greed. This is about money. Sometimes people have good intentions, but then they get greedy. In this case, I have to say, if Kimmer never lost the weight, then how am I supposed to believe that she has ever had good intentions and that the whole thing was not all about money from the very beginning? You have to be honest with people around you, and if you're not it will come back like a boomerang and hit you in the neck when you don't expect it. Kimmer is not honest with people, and we are talking about your health. I wouldn't mind if she was selling bottled tapwater promising weight loss - but this is so much more. Maybe it's the nurse in me that keeps screaming: She is playing with people's lives. I don't want to offend anybody, but it makes me sick to my stomach that I am watching her continue on this path without being able to do anything about it at this time. I hope I didn't upset you with any of the things I said.

Dana

[Mayberryfan]

NOT that this will surprise anyone.... the following is the "awesome" advice being handed out by Kimmer's latest minion..er..admin(ion). I'll admit the tone is lighter than usual, but the advise...well....it sucks.

XXX I have never lost more weight in a week than there are days in the week!!! Way to go on the loss. Hang in there. You're doing great, and since you've already tried KK once before, you know what you need to do.

melt

[Katinsac]

ok, this lady confuses me. did fawn leave or get banned form KK? It doesn't look like it to me...here is a current post:

Fawn's Journey 1 Hour, 3 Minutes ago
There seems to be a mis-understanding....

I did not mean to give the impression that I starved... no not at all....

I ate VERY well on this eating plan

fawn

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

ok, this lady confuses me. did fawn leave or get banned form KK? It doesn't look like it to me...here is a current post:

Fawn's Journey 1 Hour, 3 Minutes ago
There seems to be a mis-understanding....

I did not mean to give the impression that I starved... no not at all....

I ate VERY well on this eating plan

fawn

Kat, I thought she left

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by SisterMary

I was banned from the Kimkins site for asking some sensitive questions. I decided to come here for support but after reading many of the posts, it saddens my heart to realize that I do not belong here either. What a mess. On one side is a woman who allegedly created a diet as a scam to make money. One the other side are mean and vindictive people who are stooping so low as to copy and paste posts from the kimkins site and make fun of them. The smiley face laying on his back laughing and kicking his feet is not cute or funny in relation to what is being posted. It is mean spirited and hurtful.

Even though I was banned and I am ticked, I really think that Kimmer and has behaved better than a large number of people that post in this forum. She was trying to make a buck and charged $60.00/person not thousands of dollars. I lost 40 lbs on Kimkins so it was money well spent and she can have it. I will get over my $60.00 spent, I have no ill effects to my health so I will be fine that way. What I won't get over is what I have read in this forum. It saddens my heart to see people putting so much time and energy into such hateful activities. We have enough enemies in these world without turning on one another. What I anticipated seeing here was possibly postings from the Kimkins site and ideas being thrown around about how to support the people still in the site not turn against them. Until recently I have stayed out of the controversy so maybe I am just naive. I can't even bear to go anywhere in this site and read postings. It would crush me to see something I posted at Kimkins copied and posted here and people laughing at me and saying mean things. I laid my heart out there many times, writing things that I couldn't even admit to myself a couple of months ago. Posting some of those things took a lot of courage from me and I just assumed that people were reading them and seeing that they are not alone in how they feel and that my words may have a positive effect with somone.

I will take the high road here and not trash any of you. Instead I will wish you the best of luck with your weight loss goals. I pray that you will be able to refocus your energy on the positive things in life that God has created for us to enjoy. I pray for you, I pray for the Kimkins members and I pray for Kimmer. I would never wish ill will on anyone. With tears running down my face, I say good-bye. I will find a place I belong, it just isn't here.

Take care,
Mary

mary, I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Maybe one of the other LC sites will suit you better. Remember, this thread is for those hurt by Kimkins to vent. If it bothers you or others who pop in, I'm sorry. It has helped me and other emensly and I am grateful for it. You are more than welcome here if that is what you choose.

[Katinsac]

I noticed the last few days, Melt had been responding a little nice...mayby it was the offer of the Admin position.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

I also got to say anyone who says they are following her plan is supporting her fraud.

I agreed with much of what you wrote, but I don't agree that people who are following her diet are supporting her fraud. The members on there paid for the diet advice, and sadly the few remaining still believe in the program. I don't consider them to be supporting fraud. I think they truly want to believe in the diet, so that someday they can be wearing that red dress.

I do, however, think that the admins are supporting fraud. When you are in a position of authority, and you are giving out advice that can have a negative impact on someone's health, you owe it to yourself and the people who are listening to you to be absolutely sure that what you are saying is true.

Instead of spending their time reading all the posts on the low carb boards and the blogs, the admins should be spending their time finding scientific data that shows that Kimkins is safe. If they had any concern for their members, they would be providing data that shows the diet is safe, and with the PI pictures of Heidi out there proving she isn't who she claims to be, they owe it to the members to prove it's safe before they say even one more word in defense of he diet.

I have yet to see anyone point me in a direction, other than the Kimkins site, to show me that this is safe.

I think they are motivated entirely by greed thereby supporting a fraud.

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by SisterMary

I was banned from the Kimkins site for asking some sensitive questions. I decided to come here for support but after reading many of the posts, it saddens my heart to realize that I do not belong here either. What a mess. On one side is a woman who allegedly created a diet as a scam to make money. One the other side are mean and vindictive people who are stooping so low as to copy and paste posts from the kimkins site and make fun of them. The smiley face laying on his back laughing and kicking his feet is not cute or funny in relation to what is being posted. It is mean spirited and hurtful.

Even though I was banned and I am ticked, I really think that Kimmer and has behaved better than a large number of people that post in this forum. She was trying to make a buck and charged $60.00/person not thousands of dollars. I lost 40 lbs on Kimkins so it was money well spent and she can have it. I will get over my $60.00 spent, I have no ill effects to my health so I will be fine that way. What I won't get over is what I have read in this forum. It saddens my heart to see people putting so much time and energy into such hateful activities. We have enough enemies in these world without turning on one another. What I anticipated seeing here was possibly postings from the Kimkins site and ideas being thrown around about how to support the people still in the site not turn against them. Until recently I have stayed out of the controversy so maybe I am just naive. I can't even bear to go anywhere in this site and read postings. It would crush me to see something I posted at Kimkins copied and posted here and people laughing at me and saying mean things. I laid my heart out there many times, writing things that I couldn't even admit to myself a couple of months ago. Posting some of those things took a lot of courage from me and I just assumed that people were reading them and seeing that they are not alone in how they feel and that my words may have a positive effect with somone.

I will take the high road here and not trash any of you. Instead I will wish you the best of luck with your weight loss goals. I pray that you will be able to refocus your energy on the positive things in life that God has created for us to enjoy. I pray for you, I pray for the Kimkins members and I pray for Kimmer. I would never wish ill will on anyone. With tears running down my face, I say good-bye. I will find a place I belong, it just isn't here.

Take care,
Mary

Mary et al,
In the event that you are still here, reading any responses to your post - I would like to point out to you the existence of several (at least 10, maybe closer to 50) other KK related posts - some still following kk, some devoted to finding a healthy way to do the diet, healing from the problems that the diet has caused, etc.. located here:
Kimkins Refugees Support Group
Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins
Doing Kimkins--keeping it healthy and sane

Or of course you could go to Jimmy Moore's site - lots of friendly non snarky support there.

But why people come into a thread that is actively advertised as a place to vent and discover and then feel compelled to reprimand those who vent there... is somewhat beyond me. Make good choices, friend, and congratulations on your weight loss.. I wish you the very best at maintaining it.

Steph

[JoanieOrchard]

[quote=mama MIA;9280657]"Talk about addicitive personalities", she should get ONE and stick to it.

=QUOTE]

You got that right!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by SisterMary

I was banned from the Kimkins site for asking some sensitive questions. I decided to come here for support but after reading many of the posts, it saddens my heart to realize that I do not belong here either. What a mess. On one side is a woman who allegedly created a diet as a scam to make money. One the other side are mean and vindictive people who are stooping so low as to copy and paste posts from the kimkins site and make fun of them. The smiley face laying on his back laughing and kicking his feet is not cute or funny in relation to what is being posted. It is mean spirited and hurtful.

Even though I was banned and I am ticked, I really think that Kimmer and has behaved better than a large number of people that post in this forum. She was trying to make a buck and charged $60.00/person not thousands of dollars. I lost 40 lbs on Kimkins so it was money well spent and she can have it. I will get over my $60.00 spent, I have no ill effects to my health so I will be fine that way. What I won't get over is what I have read in this forum. It saddens my heart to see people putting so much time and energy into such hateful activities. We have enough enemies in these world without turning on one another. What I anticipated seeing here was possibly postings from the Kimkins site and ideas being thrown around about how to support the people still in the site not turn against them. Until recently I have stayed out of the controversy so maybe I am just naive. I can't even bear to go anywhere in this site and read postings. It would crush me to see something I posted at Kimkins copied and posted here and people laughing at me and saying mean things. I laid my heart out there many times, writing things that I couldn't even admit to myself a couple of months ago. Posting some of those things took a lot of courage from me and I just assumed that people were reading them and seeing that they are not alone in how they feel and that my words may have a positive effect with somone.

I will take the high road here and not trash any of you. Instead I will wish you the best of luck with your weight loss goals. I pray that you will be able to refocus your energy on the positive things in life that God has created for us to enjoy. I pray for you, I pray for the Kimkins members and I pray for Kimmer. I would never wish ill will on anyone. With tears running down my face, I say good-bye. I will find a place I belong, it just isn't here.

Take care,
Mary

(bolding is mine)

Mary, I came here from Kimkins and did see some of my posts here. But when I first left kimkins I wanted to know what had been said just to understand both sides of the coin. If it had not been for the people who spoke out on this thread I don't know when I would have learned of some of the issues.

I don't think its fair to judge a board and what it has to offer by one thread and especially wouldn't come to a thread called the Fascination thread looking for anything other than that. I am not saying that in a mean way just trying to say you need to look in other parts of the board.
However, the other parts of the board do offer ways to transition off kimkins to a healthy way of eating and here is one for fixing an injured metabolism
Atkins Nutritionals Interview (Repairing your Metabolism and more)

But since the topic of this thread is the "why the fascination with Kimmer" it tried to stay on that topic and other threads were developed for ways to repair the damage.

I must say that your comment regarding how Kimmer has not acted better than others in this thread is not something I can agree with at all. She has remained quiet because she is a Fraud and can't defend her lies. For her to be better she would need to prove what others are saying are untrue and she can't so her not responding, which she does by the way by using other screen names on kimkins or comment on blogs, but her not responding as Kimmer is not because she is better behaved than anyone here. It is because she can't prove her lies.
Just something to consider.
But I wish you success in your journey and hope you are able to find the support that you need.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by SisterMary

I was banned from the Kimkins site for asking some sensitive questions. I decided to come here for support but after reading many of the posts, it saddens my heart to realize that I do not belong here either. What a mess. On one side is a woman who allegedly created a diet as a scam to make money. One the other side are mean and vindictive people who are stooping so low as to copy and paste posts from the kimkins site and make fun of them. The smiley face laying on his back laughing and kicking his feet is not cute or funny in relation to what is being posted. It is mean spirited and hurtful.

Even though I was banned and I am ticked, I really think that Kimmer and has behaved better than a large number of people that post in this forum. She was trying to make a buck and charged $60.00/person not thousands of dollars. I lost 40 lbs on Kimkins so it was money well spent and she can have it. I will get over my $60.00 spent, I have no ill effects to my health so I will be fine that way. What I won't get over is what I have read in this forum. It saddens my heart to see people putting so much time and energy into such hateful activities. We have enough enemies in these world without turning on one another. What I anticipated seeing here was possibly postings from the Kimkins site and ideas being thrown around about how to support the people still in the site not turn against them. Until recently I have stayed out of the controversy so maybe I am just naive. I can't even bear to go anywhere in this site and read postings. It would crush me to see something I posted at Kimkins copied and posted here and people laughing at me and saying mean things. I laid my heart out there many times, writing things that I couldn't even admit to myself a couple of months ago. Posting some of those things took a lot of courage from me and I just assumed that people were reading them and seeing that they are not alone in how they feel and that my words may have a positive effect with somone.

I will take the high road here and not trash any of you. Instead I will wish you the best of luck with your weight loss goals. I pray that you will be able to refocus your energy on the positive things in life that God has created for us to enjoy. I pray for you, I pray for the Kimkins members and I pray for Kimmer. I would never wish ill will on anyone. With tears running down my face, I say good-bye. I will find a place I belong, it just isn't here.

Take care,
Mary

Mary, I am so sorry you feel the way you do. I would also be crushed to see a post of mine on here while people were making fun of it. On that, we agree.

So many have come here so clearly frustrated and angry over the whole Kimkins thing that I guess to get beyond the anger, there has to be some humor on here. Not only did many get really bad advice, but they paid for that advice and then were banned when they complained about their symptoms.

Add into that the frustration that this woman is still open for business.

All the way around, it's very sad.

All boards are different, and I think each one has its own personality. I'm sorry that you have offended by what you have read here.

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

(bolding is mine)

Mary, I came here from Kimkins and did see some of my posts here. But when I first left kimkins I wanted to know what had been said just to understand both sides of the coin. If it had not been for the people who spoke out on this thread I don't know when I would have learned of some of the issues.

I don't think its fair to judge a board and what it has to offer by one thread and especially wouldn't come to a thread called the Fascination thread looking for anything other than that. I am not saying that in a mean way just trying to say you need to look in other parts of the board.
However, the other parts of the board do offer ways to transition off kimkins to a healthy way of eating and here is one for fixing an injured metabolism
Atkins Nutritionals Interview (Repairing your Metabolism and more)

But since the topic of this thread is the "why the fascination with Kimmer" it tried to stay on that topic and other threads were developed for ways to repair the damage.

I must say that Kimmer has not acted better than others in this thread. She has remained quiet because she is a Fraud and can't defend her lies. For her to be better she would need to prove what others are saying are untrue and she can't so her not responding, which she does by the way by using other screen names on kimkins or comment on blogs, but her not responding as Kimmer is not because she is better behaved than anyone here. It is because she can't prove her lies.
Just something to consider.
But I wish you success in your journey and hope you are able to find the support that you need.

Honey...I just love your posts!!

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

I agreed with much of what you wrote, but I don't agree that people who are following her diet are supporting her fraud. The members on there paid for the diet advice, and sadly the few remaining still believe in the program. I don't consider them to be supporting fraud. I think they truly want to believe in the diet, so that someday they can be wearing that red dress.

I do, however, think that the admins are supporting fraud. When you are in a position of authority, and you are giving out advice that can have a negative impact on someone's health, you owe it to yourself and the people who are listening to you to be absolutely sure that what you are saying is true.

Instead of spending their time reading all the posts on the low carb boards and the blogs, the admins should be spending their time finding scientific data that shows that Kimkins is safe. If they had any concern for their members, they would be providing data that shows the diet is safe, and with the PI pictures of Heidi out there proving she isn't who she claims to be, they owe it to the members to prove it's safe before they say even one more word in defense of he diet.

I have yet to see anyone point me in a direction, other than the Kimkins site, to show me that this is safe.

I think they are motivated entirely by greed thereby supporting a fraud.

You are so right! But this part..
but I don't agree that people who are following her diet are supporting her fraud.

Anyone that posts on KimKins, sends a message out that they approve of her site and diet. That is the message, just by being active on the site sends to any new members. If new members came and no one was posting it would die.