Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[mrsmenopausal]

G'night, all.

I have fulfilled my daily obligations but for one. I must head to bed now.
I don't want anyone pointing fingers at me and calling me a slacker tomorrow.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by GinaC

That's exactly what I'm talking about. While you were there they wouldn't, for whatever reason tell you how to tweak to make it safer. Yet they have no problem coming here and telling us how smart they were.

Why didn't they care about Locarb4me and MrsM and all of the others who have left and/or been banned? And what about the members that are still following the plan?

Dare I say that they are selfish? Well yeah, I just did

Gina, agree 100%. I actually posted a question to Kimmer once since I was promised "direct access" to her and I asked her some questions, like: How many calories do you eat per day, how many carbs, how do you maintain your weight etc. She never responded, but others did. Well, Tippy did too - she basically told me to stop asking questions, I think she told me not to think about the maintenance part and to focus on my diet. If anybody could copy/paste her response and my post, I would highly appreciate that.
She told me not to care? The last time I lost weight, I did very well until I messed up during maintenance by not really doing maintenance, and you're telling me not to care? And who are you again, Tippy?

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Ducky has an interesting comment on his take the weekend off blog..

Interesting comment. Thanks for sharing that. I wondered what it was that needed deleting so badly at Kimpound tonight. Some people are taking issue with the continuing censorship.

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Hopefully this will backfire! That such a nasty person who has had public complaints about her would become a mod should raise some eyebrows. (but I'm not holding my breath)

so...did they replace TT with Mel?

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

This woman is a disgrace.

Sorry, didn't want to take up alot of space, so I just quoted the last sentence. What a great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Congratulations to those people on Kimkins who have lost weight! I truly do mean that. Any overweight person knows the euphoria of losing weight, seeing that lower number, fitting into smaller clothes, thinking that we are healthier, and being grateful that the weight was lost. Any overweight person, myself included, goes through times when we are willing to do just about anything to lose weight. I’ve lost weight many times, and I’ve had the euphoria, and I’ve also gained it back many times and felt such despair that I didn’t know what to do to get a handle on my self-loathing. Any time a new ‘miracle’ diet came out, I was all over that! Sadly I don’t think there are any miracle diets.

Some people haven’t had any serious side-effects from Kimkins, and that’s wonderful! But please consider several things:

When Kimmer posted on these boards about her dramatic weight loss, many people followed what she said, and I’m sure that many lost some weight. Based on her suggestions, her recommendations, her experience, her claim of success, and her assurances that the diet was safe, people wanted to believe that just maybe they finally found a way to take the weight off. I can see how the ‘high’ of thinking that something might really work might get in the way of thinking rationally about the diet. Desperation and the strong desire to believe in something can certainly cloud good judgment. It doesn't mean the people were stupid. With an ache in the heart to be thin, they just wanted to believe, and that's what, at least for me, makes it so very sad for many of the Kimkins followers. So many of them just wanted to believe in her. It's heartbreaking that it was all a sham, and so many have been let down while she sits there, with her pockets lined.

She started her own site and got lucky with the cover story on WW, and frankly, I hold them responsible too because when you are promoting something that can and has affected people’s health, there should be some accountability.

Kimkins was developed by one person and one person only - Heidi Diaz. The diet was based on her ‘opinions’ - nothing more. She found a way on a public web site to make herself sound important and then parlayed that into a profit making website - all based on NOTHING. She had no background in nutrition, and as it turned out, she hadn’t even done the diet much less lost 198 pounds. She advocated the use of steady laxatives, and if you don’t see that on the Kimkins site now, do some research and you will find the posts where it was advocated. She promoted a no exercise diet - little water diet - and a very low calorie diet. Her premise was that gastric-bypass people live on 500-600 calories a day, so you should be able to do that too with no ill effects.

Since she is the one who developed and promoted the diet, it’s up to HER to provide evidence in defense of it - meaning that if the diet is all she claimed it was - why has no physician spoken up in defense of Kimkins? If I had made the money she’s made with all this controversy, the first thing I’d be doing is shopping for a physician to put his name on the diet. Where is this physician?

This diet has no foundation whatsoever to show that it is healthy or that people can keep the weight off long term. Where are the studies that show long term success? Where are the blind study groups that favor Kimkins?

Has there been any level of concern, on her part, for the people who have expressed their negative experiences? If people bought a lifetime membership from someone who claimed to have a safe, effective, and long term success program, then those very same people should be able to freely post their concerns and their experiences on the Kimkins web site. If not, then the way it comes across to me is that you have a lifetime membership until such time that you might have a problem, and then all of a sudden you are laughed at and thrown off the site.

Smoking can cause cancer. That doesn’t mean that everyone who smokes (and I was smoker for 20 years) will get cancer, but I don’t think anyone will argue that smoking is a healthy thing to do.

IMHO, the same thing is true about Kimkins. Not everyone will lose hair. Not everyone will have major health problems. Some of us are healthier than others. Age can make a difference. I’m sure there are many variables.

However, the bottom line is that many people ARE reporting problems, and that’s why so many people on the low carb forums are speaking out against this diet.

I would ask, if your son or your daughter (of any age) had a weight problem, with all the information that has come out about Kimkins, would you want your child to do this? Hair loss, dizziness, heart flutters, and many unknown things since this ’diet’ is very new with NO scientific data to prove it works, would you really want to promote this to one of your children? I don’t think you would.

Don’t let despair of never losing weight get in the way of making healthy choices.

This diet started based on nothing. She was a lucky con-artist, and that’s all it was, and that’s all it is. It’s nothing more than a morbidly obese woman telling people, ‘Do as I say - not as I do’.

Just like Heidi, I can come up with a hundred diets that would make the pounds melt off. That doesn’t make them safe, and unlike Heidi, if I came up with some crack-pot diet I certainly wouldn’t take advantage of other people’s desperation by trying to sell it. My conscience wouldn't let me do it, and my fear of being locked up for practicing medicine without a license wouldn't me do it.

This woman is a disgrace.

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

G'night, all.

I have fulfilled my daily obligations but for one. I must head to bed now.
I don't want anyone pointing fingers at me and calling me a slacker tomorrow.

nitey nite!

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by stardust1

Gina, agree 100%. I actually posted a question to Kimmer once since I was promised "direct access" to her and I asked her some questions, like: How many calories do you eat per day, how many carbs, how do you maintain your weight etc. She never responded, but others did. Well, Tippy did too - she basically told me to stop asking questions, I think she told me not to think about the maintenance part and to focus on my diet. If anybody could copy/paste her response and my post, I would highly appreciate that.
She told me not to care? The last time I lost weight, I did very well until I messed up during maintenance by not really doing maintenance, and you're telling me not to care? And who are you again, Tippy?

History?

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by stardust1

Gina, agree 100%. I actually posted a question to Kimmer once since I was promised "direct access" to her and I asked her some questions, like: How many calories do you eat per day, how many carbs, how do you maintain your weight etc. She never responded, but others did. Well, Tippy did too - she basically told me to stop asking questions, I think she told me not to think about the maintenance part and to focus on my diet. If anybody could copy/paste her response and my post, I would highly appreciate that.
She told me not to care? The last time I lost weight, I did very well until I messed up during maintenance by not really doing maintenance, and you're telling me not to care? And who are you again, Tippy?

Tippy is ... ahem..errr.. let's just say she's the person I'm glad I never met. The person I'm glad I don't know. The person I don't want to meet.
Have I already mentioned this?

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by DuckFeathers

History?

that's right. I haven't gone to bed just yet.

[Locarb4me]

JoanieOrchard, fabulous post. Thank you!!

[JoanieOrchard]

I just wanted to add one more thing to my very long post ....

For those thinking of leaving Kimkins, I'm sure with all the bashing of the Kimkins diet (justified totally), you might feel that you wouldn't be welcomed here.

I don't think there is anyone here, or any other forum, who wouldn't welcome you with open arms. We all understand how very desperately we all want to lose weight. We've all been there. At one time, or another, I'm sure we've all tried something that wasn't entirely healthy.

Our hearts have been broken over our weight, and we have all wanted to believe in something to help us with that.

Hope you all join us, and if you don't want to say hello in this thread, then enjoy the wonderful information that is on the rest of the site. There is so much here to help you.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Tippy is ... ahem..errr.. let's just say she's the person I'm glad I never met. The person I'm glad I don't know. The person I don't want to meet.
Have I already mentioned this?

I usually never disagree with you, but this time I do. The 2/3 people I would love to meet are Hidey, Tippsy and SingingLass. I really wanna meet them, and I really want them to meet me.... (Evil laughter sets in in the background as she types the last sentence.....) Well I am saying 2/3 because we all know where we can find Singing....

[LISAinTN]

Hi, I've never posted here before, but have been here as of late because I've been trying to do my own research in regard to this whole Kimkins viasco, so I could make up my own mind. My post was one of the ones pasted here earlier today from the KK board, that wasn't posted in it's entirety either. I'd like to post it here just for the record. The last paragraph was left out, the paragraph that showed my concerns for Kimmer. I felt that only the first part was posted because it looked like I was calling Kimmer out and suited someone elses needs for proving a point. I was calling her out in a way, but I also do feel compassion for her. Not sure if that's the correct word I should be using, but my heart is breaking for everyone involved here. I have been struggling for the last few days with feeling like I've had the wind knocked out of me. I've also felt great sadness for Kimmer because I just can't understand why a fellow human being would do this.

On a side note, I have had extensive hair loss from doing Kimkins, among many other side effects. It is devestating to me. I have FMS and Kimmer told me her plan would make it better. It didn't. It made me worse. So bad that my husband and I came close to selling my business this summer because I just couldn't keep up any more. The hair loss........well, maybe I am vain, but I've been scared to death that it's not going to stop. It hasn't stopped and it IS coming out in handfuls. I don't know how I have any left, I have lost so much and it was fine and thin to begin with. Anyway, sorry to ramble. My original post, that was posted in reply to Vandy J is long, but here it is if anyone wishes to read it. FYI, unless it was moved and I can't find it, it was deleted at some point this evening. I have not been banned yet.
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Vandy J, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have been off plan for a couple of months and came back a few days ago to try and get started again. I couldn't believe what had happened here in such a short period of time. I started doing a bit of research on the net and found a lot to read about all the controversy over Kimkins. I am not a psychic. I do not know if the pictures I've seen are real. I don't know if anything I have read is 100% accurate because I have not lived it myself. I was not an eye witness to any of the events. With that being said, if I could speak directly to Kimmer, this is what I would say.

Kimmer, all through my Kimkins journey, I have defended you tooth and nail. I too own my own business and I thought all the people asking questions and such were being rude and had no right to call you out in public the way they would over your name, your photo's, etc. But Kimmer, things are starting to change. Maybe they saw something I didn't, or maybe they are seeing something that's not there. I just don't know. I have read that you have said you won't fold to these people, that you just choose to ignore them so they'll go away. That works to a point Kimmer. It has come so far now that you owe it to your customers to prove the "haters" wrong, if they are indeed wrong. This is your chance to go on TV or meet with some longtime, reputable Kimkins members or admins from the early days and get some photo's taken to make this all go away. It's not just about you Kimmer........it's about what you owe your customers! It's your chance to say "SEE! I told you, you were wrong. Are you satisfied now?"! It no longer makes sense Kimmer, that you would continue to refuse to prove everyone wrong. That is the ONE thing that has swayed me to start to wonder if this all has been a scam. Staying quiet and not disproving the rumors makes you look like you're guilty. Kimmer, if this has all been a scam and it just snowballed out of control before you could stop it, PLEASE step up now and do the right thing and stop this. It will only be worse for you later if you wait until someone, like the authorities, steps in and makes you stop. Like I said, it's the one thing making me question all of this. You can bet if someone was trying to destroy my business in this way, I would be doing EVERYTHING to guard what I have worked so hard to build up. If all these rumors aren't true, why would you risk your entire business, your livelihood, your reputation, etc. by not coming forward to prove a few things wrong. Just because we have internet businesses and people can't walk into our brick and mortar storefront, doesn't mean they should't truly know who we are. Our customers have every right to know who they're dealing with. They're paying us!

I've had a REALLY hard time with this whole mess. I just didn't want to believe that someone would do this and I'm still not 100% sure what I believe. I believe that people make mistakes or get themselves into messes sometimes without meaning to. I believe that there are things in everyone's past that shapes them into who they are today. I believe it takes some people a lot longer then others to get out from underneath that and grow as a person. I believe there are people, like me for instance, that have to be knocked over the head several times with the same mistakes before we learn. I believe that nobody is perfect and therefore I have no right to judge you. I believe there are things in my past that I have done that would cause people to look down on me and I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me, so I try hard not to do it to others. In my mind, the difference between good and bad here is whether or not a person eventually does step up and take responsibility for their actions, right the wrongs and make the apologies. Please Kimmer, it's time to step up and do something......whether that is coming forward with some proof of who and what you are or whether it is coming forward with what has happened so you can start to fix things........that is up to you.

I'm praying for you and hoping this gets resolved for your sake and all of ours. God bless you.
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I've been accused of being too softhearted many times in my life. Maybe I am. I don't know. I don't condone anything that Kimmer has done. I think there should be consequences, but I think lowering ourselves to name calling and taking what sometimes appears to be outright glee in the downfall of another human being.......I don't know, it just isn't sitting right with me. It makes us no better then she is. I hurt for her.......I hurt for all of us. Again, sorry to have rambled. Thanks for your time.

Blessings,
Lisa

[Locarb4me]

Gina, agree 100%. I actually posted a question to Kimmer once since I was promised "direct access" to her and I asked her some questions, like: How many calories do you eat per day, how many carbs, how do you maintain your weight etc. She never responded, but others did.

Interesting point.

I was just inside the Kimpound a while ago, and read a post where one poster was asking about upping fats or cycling onto another low carb plan. She got smacked down by an older Kimkiner for even thinking of upping her fats and tweaking the plan. She trotted out that old line "if you tweak it, it's not Kimkins".

I wonder if Tippy will tolerate THAT.

And the irony of it hasn't escaped me, no.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Dottie

Fair enough Vandy, thank you for answering.
I don't think the diet, as written, is awful short term. I think the issue is more of the advice to be even more restrictive and stay on it for weeks or months on end?

I am pages behind in the reading but I got to disagree with that statement. The Kinkins diet as written is to borrow controlledcarbs line nutritionally bankrupt! even short term any one doing is is going to be be to use kimmers term setting themselves up for a domino effect. the human body doesn't store the chemicals it makes from the nutrients in our foods used as enzymes,cofactors, hormones, transportors reaction sites etc. so denying our bodies the EFAs, the vits minerals electrolytes, and even the minimum protein and fat low carbers needs as the glucose sources for the body parts like red blood cells that can't metabolize fatty acids causes us to be deficient in them and being defieinct in a chemical needed for say the first reaction causes a slow down in all chemicals being produced futher down the pipeline. it can take just as many days of proper nutrtion with additional supplementation to bring our bodies back into the conditioin it was before we started. ANY EATING PLAN that fails to meet the basic nutritonal needs of the human body should not be done for even one day as a means to lose weight unless you are being suppervised by a doctor.

Just cause a person doesn't see any damage they are doing today doesn't mean they haven't permanently damaged their bodies and the combined results of all the damaging days will show up as we age just as diabetic blood sugar damage shows up after yrs of microscopic damage done.

I also got to say anyone who says they are following her plan is supporting her fraud. If you changed the plan, used your common sense to ignore the parts you didn't believe but still say the plan is working for you then you are doing all new to low carb folk searching for a weight loss plan a diservice cause they are seeing you and your expressed example of healthy weight loss bearing the KIMKINS tag as an endorsement for that plan she has posted on her website and is listed in the kimkins topics here.
The same thing can be said for using her website for support and friendship in your weight loss journey. By being on that website your support for the plan as written by her, the information provided by her, and the actions of the management of the site owned by her is implied by your membership. There can be no I don't believe her, I don't use her plan I just use her site cause I got friends there. Replace the word her with any hate group name and see if you'd use that same logic to belong.

Nobody says those who used the kimkin type low carb plan have to go back to Atkins but using the name still implies support of her and her plan as written.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

Interesting point.

I was just inside the Kimpound a while ago, and read a post where one poster was asking about upping fats or cycling onto another low carb plan. She got smacked down by an older Kimkiner for even thinking of upping her fats and tweaking the plan. She trotted out that old line "if you tweak it, it's not Kimkins".

I wonder if Tippy will tolerate THAT.

And the irony of it hasn't escaped me, no.

Tippy says: Tolerate what? She said, huh? Didn't read that, can't be everywhere at the same time. Don't know what you're talking about. Lalala......

[SMP]

Originally Posted by GinaC

Yes some are still there. In fact it was this quote tonight that got me started: (bolding is mine)

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You are one of the most outspoken posters on this thread and will let folks have it if you think that something said is unjust or just plain wrong. In fact you've smacked me around a little (but I deserved it)!! That's the way that it should be. You have a very strong moral compass that will not let you remain quiet.

I believe that in the beginning, all of the blame belonged to Heidi but there is too much evidence out there now, today to say that others are blameless if they know and don't speak out. That's really all I'm saying.

I remember that poster from earlier...tonight? She comes across as a skeptic grounded in common sense. She also claims to have gotten what she needed from Kimkins. It has taken her a long time to say anything here; so I assume she has a life somewhere, took what she needed, and kept on with it. It wasn't a mission nor catharsis for her to post on Kimkins- at least, until she came out with her blast against BOTH sides for their unseemly behavior. I think she expects to get banned for her exercise of free speech. But she is a Kimkins success story to date.

I've really tried to stay quiet and just read, but I'm Fascinated no end. I apologize if I whacked your knuckles. I've tried not to get personal in my disagreements, and if I have, I'm sorry. But I believe that it doesn't help any of us to sink to Heidi's level of insults and spite - and apparently a couple posters tonight felt this site has. Maybe they've been reassured that there's hope for us yet.

Incredible as it may seem, there may be posters over on Kimkins that have swallowed assurances that the current nastiness will all blow over, have missed most of the stealth postings, and are still continuing on in their limited little universe. Or maybe they're just keeping their heads down so they don't get them shot off (banned) to protect their investment of hope, time and money. We don't know if they can see what is so clear to us. They may not be 100% blameless from our point of view, but looking at it from their POV, they stand to lose maybe the best thing they've found yet for losing weight. I say cut them some slack. They may not feel they need rescuing ... yet.

[Mayberryfan]

I hope Nancy Reagan doesn't find out about this!

Duck_shirt1.jpg

Just say no to QUACK! (sorry, I didn't make it big enough!)

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by LISAinTN

Hi, I've never posted here before, but have been here as of late because I've been trying to do my own research in regard to this whole Kimkins viasco, so I could make up my own mind. My post was one of the ones pasted here earlier today from the KK board, that wasn't posted in it's entirety either. I'd like to post it here just for the record. The last paragraph was left out, the paragraph that showed my concerns for Kimmer. I felt that only the first part was posted because it looked like I was calling Kimmer out and suited someone elses needs for proving a point. I was calling her out in a way, but I also do feel compassion for her. Not sure if that's the correct word I should be using, but my heart is breaking for everyone involved here. I have been struggling for the last few days with feeling like I've had the wind knocked out of me. I've also felt great sadness for Kimmer because I just can't understand why a fellow human being would do this.

On a side note, I have had extensive hair loss from doing Kimkins, among many other side effects. It is devestating to me. I have FMS and Kimmer told me her plan would make it better. It didn't. It made me worse. So bad that my husband and I came close to selling my business this summer because I just couldn't keep up any more. The hair loss........well, maybe I am vain, but I've been scared to death that it's not going to stop. It hasn't stopped and it IS coming out in handfuls. I don't know how I have any left, I have lost so much and it was fine and thin to begin with. Anyway, sorry to ramble. My original post, that was posted in reply to Vandy J is long, but here it is if anyone wishes to read it. FYI, unless it was moved and I can't find it, it was deleted at some point this evening. I have not been banned yet.
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Vandy J, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have been off plan for a couple of months and came back a few days ago to try and get started again. I couldn't believe what had happened here in such a short period of time. I started doing a bit of research on the net and found a lot to read about all the controversy over Kimkins. I am not a psychic. I do not know if the pictures I've seen are real. I don't know if anything I have read is 100% accurate because I have not lived it myself. I was not an eye witness to any of the events. With that being said, if I could speak directly to Kimmer, this is what I would say.

Kimmer, all through my Kimkins journey, I have defended you tooth and nail. I too own my own business and I thought all the people asking questions and such were being rude and had no right to call you out in public the way they would over your name, your photo's, etc. But Kimmer, things are starting to change. Maybe they saw something I didn't, or maybe they are seeing something that's not there. I just don't know. I have read that you have said you won't fold to these people, that you just choose to ignore them so they'll go away. That works to a point Kimmer. It has come so far now that you owe it to your customers to prove the "haters" wrong, if they are indeed wrong. This is your chance to go on TV or meet with some longtime, reputable Kimkins members or admins from the early days and get some photo's taken to make this all go away. It's not just about you Kimmer........it's about what you owe your customers! It's your chance to say "SEE! I told you, you were wrong. Are you satisfied now?"! It no longer makes sense Kimmer, that you would continue to refuse to prove everyone wrong. That is the ONE thing that has swayed me to start to wonder if this all has been a scam. Staying quiet and not disproving the rumors makes you look like you're guilty. Kimmer, if this has all been a scam and it just snowballed out of control before you could stop it, PLEASE step up now and do the right thing and stop this. It will only be worse for you later if you wait until someone, like the authorities, steps in and makes you stop. Like I said, it's the one thing making me question all of this. You can bet if someone was trying to destroy my business in this way, I would be doing EVERYTHING to guard what I have worked so hard to build up. If all these rumors aren't true, why would you risk your entire business, your livelihood, your reputation, etc. by not coming forward to prove a few things wrong. Just because we have internet businesses and people can't walk into our brick and mortar storefront, doesn't mean they should't truly know who we are. Our customers have every right to know who they're dealing with. They're paying us!

I've had a REALLY hard time with this whole mess. I just didn't want to believe that someone would do this and I'm still not 100% sure what I believe. I believe that people make mistakes or get themselves into messes sometimes without meaning to. I believe that there are things in everyone's past that shapes them into who they are today. I believe it takes some people a lot longer then others to get out from underneath that and grow as a person. I believe there are people, like me for instance, that have to be knocked over the head several times with the same mistakes before we learn. I believe that nobody is perfect and therefore I have no right to judge you. I believe there are things in my past that I have done that would cause people to look down on me and I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me, so I try hard not to do it to others. In my mind, the difference between good and bad here is whether or not a person eventually does step up and take responsibility for their actions, right the wrongs and make the apologies. Please Kimmer, it's time to step up and do something......whether that is coming forward with some proof of who and what you are or whether it is coming forward with what has happened so you can start to fix things........that is up to you.

I'm praying for you and hoping this gets resolved for your sake and all of ours. God bless you.
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I've been accused of being too softhearted many times in my life. Maybe I am. I don't know. I don't condone anything that Kimmer has done. I think there should be consequences, but I think lowering ourselves to name calling and taking what sometimes appears to be outright glee in the downfall of another human being.......I don't know, it just isn't sitting right with me. It makes us no better then she is. I hurt for her.......I hurt for all of us. Again, sorry to have rambled. Thanks for your time.

Blessings,
Lisa

Lisa..nice post and welcome