Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by Cutie

i hear that "melt" is an admin now...there's a shocker

Hopefully this will backfire! That such a nasty person who has had public complaints about her would become a mod should raise some eyebrows. (but I'm not holding my breath)

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I agree with you. It's so hard to explain what it was like there. I can't even imagine being a member there now. From what I've seen in writing what it's like there now makes my time there seem like the height of support. At least there were caring admins for most of my time there.

On a serious note: I didn't have caring admins when I started, but I did meet caring members. I only lasted 10 days, but regardless of the time spent there, my thinking is still messed up as I am constantly thinking about calories, too much fat and things that are "on the list" or not. I have to remind myself to eat a healthy diet - that to me is sickening. It just gets under your skin, and if I'm complaining after only 10 days, I wonder what is happening to other members there that have been on KK for long periods of time. Like I said previously, sometimes all it takes is just a tiny trigger to get people into serious trouble. I worry about the remaining people there, and I hope that they will understand that many of us care about them. It's not about them, it's about somebody who is playing with their health and who couldn't care less. Very otherwise smart people at KK have made statements like: Why do I care about Kimmer being fat? I lost xxx pounds. And even though I understand the desperation, I know how badly I want to be thin again, the fact that Kimmer probably never lost or maintained the weight as she claims has been very important to me from the beginning. It simply means that Kimmer doesn't know what the side effects are from this WOE and NOBODY can say what the longterm damage could be. Please everybody use common sense, because you are smart people who just got blinded by false promises. Nobody would see a plumber to have dental work done, please! We are talking about a woman who has never lost weight on her own diet, SHE doesn't know what she's talking about. I know that some of you read here, and I want to use this opportunity to say, that I don't care about the 60 bucks that I paid - if I can make an impact on one person with doubts about KK I'll pay it again. This is just my take on the things that are going on there.

[JoSkids]

Originally Posted by GinaC

This has been bothering me for a long time and if it offends anyone, so be it. Becky touched on this in one of her blog posts and that was when I began to wonder about the situation with members at KK and their isolation from other members outside of their groups.

The background as I understand it:
When Heidi left LCF to start her own site most of her members followed her there from here. This means that they had a background in low carbing and were more likely to tweak the plan to suit themselves. This is what kept many of the original members safe - they did not follow the plan as written or most importantly the plan behind the plan.

Everyone formed their groups and developed the support systems that they needed. All was good with the world. Becky says that at that time there were less than 4000 members.

Then came the WW article and the site was flooded with new members. None of us know the exact number of new members but it is estimated to be between 25,000 and 36,000. Some of the old timers ventured out to help the newbies but most just hunkered down in their groups. Now these newbies were not familiar with LC and believed Heidi when she said if you tweak it don't call it Kimkins...line up the dominos...etc. They did the plan as written because they didn't know any better and when they stalled they were told to cut and then cut again (the plan behind the plan).

500 calories was not just the extreme fringe, it was the norm. Some old timers heard mention that it was happening and ventured out to offer their advice. Some even said increase your calories...add more fat...eat. But these members were smacked down when Heidi would jump in and say cut, cut, cut. So they retreated back to their safe spots and that is where they stayed. All was wonderful once again.

Now to the part that bothers me:

How could they? How could they sit in their safe groups and allow others to potentially harm themselves? And now they say well I'm OK and I'm losing weight. I knew better. I didn't believe everything she said. I only took the things that I wanted from her plan.

Well what about the thousands of others that didn't know any better??? Why don't they matter? Why aren't their problems and health concerns important? Why are they allowed to flounder without the ones "who knew better" helping? Was not being banned for going against the plan more important than the health of the new members? Was losing weight more important than retaining their humanity?

On this site if you're doing something harmful, you better believe that a dozen other posters are going to jump in and tell you so and they'll bring the scientific studies to back it up. They do that because they care.

And guess what? They don't get banned for it!!!!!

LCF is what a support site is all about....people helping people.

And that is all I have to say.

Brava, Gina! Great Post!!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Cutie

i hear that "melt" is an admin now...there's a shocker

Gasp!! I'm shocked!
We must be psychic, huh?

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Cutie

i hear that "melt" is an admin now...there's a shocker

But wherever will she find the time? I mean what with all that running, and swimming, and juggling men and all.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

wait a minute there missy ... you still have a movie to watch!! stop slackin'!

Ermmmm, just did thanks to the yearly short film festival

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by GinaC

Now to the part that bothers me:

How could they? How could they sit in their safe groups and allow others to potentially harm themselves? And now they say well I'm OK and I'm losing weight. I knew better. I didn't believe everything she said. I only took the things that I wanted from her plan.

Well what about the thousands of others that didn't know any better??? Why don't they matter? Why aren't their problems and health concerns important? Why are they allowed to flounder without the ones "who knew better" helping? Was not being banned for going against the plan more important than the health of the new members? Was losing weight more important than retaining their humanity?

THANK YOU!! I'm one of those who was floundering around and got told to keep cutting stuff out. It didn't dawn on me til just recently that there were so many really experienced low carbers there. Why? Because they almost never spoke up. It was just the current admins, newbies and Kimmer who said anything to me.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I woke up at 8 am and for some reason caved into eating a piece of my son's B-day cake which I have been avoiding.
Well I must have went into a "sugar coma" because I awoke at 6:30 pm. My husband had let me sleep and took care of everything.
Now that is what I call him having his priorities straight!!! Good Hubby!

What a guy!!!

[CarolynF]

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

But wherever will she find the time? I mean what with all that running, and swimming, and juggling men and all.

Why? She doesn't even have to be nasty anymore if somebody is posting anti-KK stuff or thinking about posting it. She can just push the delete button and ban them at the same time. She will also be able to log in under 12 different screen names and post really nice stuff about Melt. I think it's a real timesaver.

[JoSkids]

Originally Posted by stardust1

Okay, I just took a shower with my husband and the dishes in the tub, that'll do for today. Gotta relax a little now.......

TMI But thanks for letting us know you have a life just the same.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by stardust1

On a serious note: I didn't have caring admins when I started, but I did meet caring members. I only lasted 10 days, but reagardless of the time spent there, my thinking is still messed up as I am constantly thinking about calories, too much fat and things that are "on the list" or not. I have to remind myself to eat a healthy diet - that to me is sickening. It just gets under your skin, and if I'm complaining after only 10 days, I wonder what is happening to other members there that have been on KK for long periods of time. Like I said previously, sometimes all it takes is just a tiny trigger to get people into serious trouble. I worry about the remaining people there, and I hope that they will understand that many of us care about them. It's not about them, it's about somebody who is playing with their health and who couldn't care less. Very otherwise smart people at KK have made statements like: Why do I care about Kimmer being fat? I lost xxx pounds. And even though I understand the desperation, I know how badly I want to be thin again, the fact that Kimmer probably never lost or maintained the weight as she claims has been very important to me from the beginning. It simply means that Kimmer doesn't know what the side effects are from this WOE and NOBODY can say what the longterm damage could be. Please everybody use common sense, because you are smart people who just got blinded by false promises. Nobody would see a plumber to have dental work done, please! We are talking about a woman who has never lost weight on her own diet, SHE doesn't know what she's talking about. I know that some of you read here, and I want to use this opportunity to say, that I don't care about the 60 bucks that I paid - if I can make an impact on one person with doubts about KK I'll pay it again. This is just my take on the things that are going on there.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by stardust1

Ermmmm, just did thanks to the yearly short film festival

well then, it seems you're free to do whatever you choose! Carry on, guilt free.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by stardust1

Why? She doesn't even have to be nasty anymore if somebody is posting anti-KK stuff or thinking about posting it. She can just push the delete button and ban them at the same time. She will also be able to log in under 12 different screen names and post really nice stuff about Melt. I think it's a real timesaver.

I didn't think it through. You're right!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

THYROID WEIGHT RESEARCH

http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter...n_Obesity1.pdf

Effect of a high-protein, very-low-calorie diet on...[Am J Clin Nutr. 1987] - PubMed Result

Resting metabolic rate, body composition and thyroid hormones. Short term effects of very low calorie diet.

Energy-metabolism adaptation in obese adults on a very-low-calorie diet -- Fricker et al. 53 (4): 826 -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

index

Low Carbohydrate Nutrition: Research on the Safety of Very Low Calorie Diets

Valuable contribution!!!! Thank you for sharing and reminding all of us. Those links are basically the explanation for what Kimkins did to me. Or I did to myself, being foolish enough to believe the diet was safe.

[DuckFeathers]

Hi xxxx,

It's taking longer than expected to get PMs back up. The tech guys are working very hard on it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Perhaps you can post in the forum until it's back up.

Kimmer


Geez, mb she should fire those "tech guys". Any decent IT shop would can those guys for taking days that would normally take hours at most. That's assuming it was a genuine technical issue.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by DuckFeathers

Hi xxxx,

It's taking longer than expected to get PMs back up. The tech guys are working very hard on it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Perhaps you can post in the forum until it's back up.

Kimmer


Geez, mb she should fire those "tech guys". Any decent IT shop would can those guys for taking days that would normally take hours at most. That's assuming it was a genuine technical issue.

The last time I posted in the forum because the PM's were down I got banned. Hmmmm? Interesting......

[wantingtoloose]

Originally Posted by GinaC

This has been bothering me for a long time and if it offends anyone, so be it. Becky touched on this in one of her blog posts and that was when I began to wonder about the situation with members at KK and their isolation from other members outside of their groups.

The background as I understand it:
When Heidi left LCF to start her own site most of her members followed her there from here. This means that they had a background in low carbing and were more likely to tweak the plan to suit themselves. This is what kept many of the original members safe - they did not follow the plan as written or most importantly the plan behind the plan.

Everyone formed their groups and developed the support systems that they needed. All was good with the world. Becky says that at that time there were less than 4000 members.

Then came the WW article and the site was flooded with new members. None of us know the exact number of new members but it is estimated to be between 25,000 and 36,000. Some of the old timers ventured out to help the newbies but most just hunkered down in their groups. Now these newbies were not familiar with LC and believed Heidi when she said if you tweak it don't call it Kimkins...line up the dominos...etc. They did the plan as written because they didn't know any better and when they stalled they were told to cut and then cut again (the plan behind the plan).

500 calories was not just the extreme fringe, it was the norm. Some old timers heard mention that it was happening and ventured out to offer their advice. Some even said increase your calories...add more fat...eat. But these members were smacked down when Heidi would jump in and say cut, cut, cut. So they retreated back to their safe spots and that is where they stayed. All was wonderful once again.

Now to the part that bothers me:

How could they? How could they sit in their safe groups and allow others to potentially harm themselves? And now they say well I'm OK and I'm losing weight. I knew better. I didn't believe everything she said. I only took the things that I wanted from her plan.

Well what about the thousands of others that didn't know any better??? Why don't they matter? Why aren't their problems and health concerns important? Why are they allowed to flounder without the ones "who knew better" helping? Was not being banned for going against the plan more important than the health of the new members? Was losing weight more important than retaining their humanity?

On this site if you're doing something harmful, you better believe that a dozen other posters are going to jump in and tell you so and they'll bring the scientific studies to back it up. They do that because they care.

And guess what? They don't get banned for it!!!!!

LCF is what a support site is all about....people helping people.

And that is all I have to say.

OMG I actually shed some tears when I read this post.
I am speachless.

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Wonder why Melt doesn't post some before and after pics?

Huh, Melt?

Now that might be truly scary.

[KissysMom]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

then she posted this:

Re:Heads Up 20 Hours, 53 Minutes ago
You know ... have you read some of the posts over there? They spend hours upon hours in front of their computers posting about whats going on over here that they're losing sleep, late for their jobs, not showering, not cleaning their homes and not even cooking dinner for their families. One girl even made her husband wait to watch a movie with him so she could check the forum first!! Can you say "PRIORITIES?" LOL!

How ironic that the Topic is "Why the fascination with Kimmer" - yet they seem to be the only one's fascinated.
4 stickied threads and hundreds and hundreds of posts.

Talk about addicitive personalities.

What a waste of energy - completely non-productive. I almost feel sorry for them.

lol, very observent...

LOL! Interesting since this person would have to be sitting here reading the sites and blogs just like we are to have gathered all of that information. AND

Just for the record: It was probably ME that the above poster was talking about when she mentioned the "not showering" part as I had kidded around yesterday and asked if those that stank would have time to shower before the big news came out. (when we thought something was up yesterday) Uhhh...that was a joke sweetheart. :heresyoursign:

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by DuckFeathers

Hi xxxx,

It's taking longer than expected to get PMs back up. The tech guys are working very hard on it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Perhaps you can post in the forum until it's back up.

Kimmer


Geez, mb she should fire those "tech guys". Any decent IT shop would can those guys for taking days that would normally take hours at most. That's assuming it was a genuine technical issue.

I suspect it's not a genuine issue.

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

THANK YOU!! I'm one of those who was floundering around and got told to keep cutting stuff out. It didn't dawn on me til just recently that there were so many really experience low carbers there. Why? Because they almost never spoke up. It was just the current admins, newbies and Kimmer who said anything to me.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. While you were there they wouldn't, for whatever reason tell you how to tweak to make it safer. Yet they have no problem coming here and telling us how smart they were.

Why didn't they care about Locarb4me and MrsM and all of the others who have left and/or been banned? And what about the members that are still following the plan?

Dare I say that they are selfish? Well yeah, I just did