Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[LouieLouie2007]

Kimmer is a liar and a fraud and the gives low carb an even worse name than it already has.

I will be a part of anything it takes to stop this person and bring her down. If I have to suffer through a few (admittedly funny) snarky photos and comments. Then so be it. The larger picture is what I am aiming. If the softhearted can't handle it, well I am sorry. Maybe this just isn't for you.

I may come away with a few fleas after being with the dogs, but I at least have my health and a clear conscience. I wonder what Kimmer has...

[Vandy J.]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

Thanks, Rebel

I just realized why Vandy's post was brought here.
Vandy, you ADDRESSED part of your question to the LCF people. Why should it seem odd to you that since you addressed a question to US, that someone brought it here to discuss?

To wit:

I understand your righteous indignation expressed in the above statement. But now I'm really about your afront at it being brought here and answered.

And since you can't hear my tone, I'm not arguing. I'm asking for information and keeping it friendly--really!

You are a very respectful intelligent and friendly poster and I have the greatest regard for you. I did not have any issue with anything I posted there being posted here. I did address the members here in my KK post because they do frequent the board there and I knew the message would be read. I think the issue that was raised, was that my post was only partially quoted here. The part where I held Kimmer accountable for her part in the mess was posted, but the part where I questioned this boards tactics was omitted. This took my comments out of context. For the record: I do agree that anything posted on a public forum is fair game. If you do not want it copied and pasted in part or in whole do not post it. I hold no ill will about the matter. But, I do feel more comfortable that the entire post was allowed to be posted here.

[jeanessa]

In the very least, Kimkins should come with a warning label. This is a calorie-restricted, fat-restricted, minimal carb plan that may cause dizziness, headaches, blackouts, hair loss, thyroid problems, heart problems and could trigger eating disorders.

In gathering individuals together collectively for the lawsuit, the stories of these women who have suffered for having followed this diet both short and long term has astounded me.

If Kimmer was who she said she was, I would recommend a warning label for her site and any advertisements or products Kimkins sold. Since Kimmer is Heidi Diaz and she committed consumer fraud among a host of other legal offenses in the creation and marketing of the Kimkins site, I am afraid that the website will not be there for those who have benefited from her plan.

And when all legal issues have been dealt with, I doubt that anyone online or in real life will be able to use the Kimkins name.

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

Please believe me, I am not trying to be antagonistic at all. But how do you connect hair loss to thyroid problems to exclusively a Kimkins diet issue? Losing a lot of weight in a short amount of time is a shock to the system it can and does cause problems. No one is debating that. But, how is this exclusively a Kimkins issue? I just do not see it.

I never said it was exclusively a Kimkins issue.

The point being discussed was how the loss of hair was indicative of one's health. You had said you weren't sure, but didn't think it hair loss was that serious healthwise.

But since you brought it up there are doctors that have discussed Kimkins as not being the best thing for your thyroid.

[Locarb4me]

Wifezilla:

WHEN YOU SUPPORT KIMKINS THROUGH FINANCES, ASSISTANCE, MORAL SUPPORT OR PARTICIPATION ON HER SITE, YOU ARE UNDERMINING THE CREDIBILITY OF THE LOW CARB WAY OF EATING.

You are right on the money, tonight, my dear!

I want to point something else out, if I may.

I'm one of those who didn't have a clue about low carbing when I found Kimkins. I believed Kimmer was who she said she was and did what she said she did. I bought it all, hook line and sinker! So when stuff began to happen to me I just listened to what the others on her site told me, that it was normal etc. Just as it keeps being repeated over and over.

I do get a bit impatient with those who pat themselves on the back because they tweaked Kimmer's plan (knowing about low carb and knowing how to adjust it for their own body) and now say they "don't believe or don't get it" when they hear that some people (and not just a few, either!) have been hurt by following the diet. I think that is a selfish way of thinking and lacks compassion for people like Christin and Deni who have DOCUMENTED health issues.

People forget that some of us had no idea we were doing damage to ourselves! Some of them over there still don't get it. We're WORRIED about them.

Also, another point.

Wouldn't it really be a shame when it's all said and done, that Kimmer and the issues surrounding her dangerous diet plan made enemies out of her own victims? It would be a shame. We should be pulling together to pull her down and stop sniping at one another, IMO.

[jezzie]

But, I do feel more comfortable that the entire post was allowed to be posted here.

I certainly feel more comfortable because I had no clue that your post had been edited.
And even if for some reason I suspected it how could I check. I don't belong to the other site.

And if not for that I would have been doing what I was supposed to be doing ... instead of
spending the afternoon here. Oh well Katie Scarlett, tomorrow's another day.

Vandy ... nice to have met you.

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by kar_kar

people don't switch BACK to Kimkins

I agree...I've yet to see anybody go back to Kimkins after being "awakened".

[teri f]

Vandy, I think it's quite unfair to liken us to a "lynch mob". My feeling is Heidi has been given enough rope and she is hanging herself.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

You are a very respectful intelligent and friendly poster and I have the greatest regard for you. I did not have any issue with anything I posted there being posted here. I did address the members here in my KK post because they do frequent the board there and I knew the message would be read. I think the issue that was raised, was that my post was only partially quoted here. The part where I held Kimmer accountable for her part in the mess was posted, but the part where I questioned this boards tactics was omitted. This took my comments out of context. For the record: I do agree that anything posted on a public forum is fair game. If you do not want it copied and pasted in part or in whole do not post it. I hold no ill will about the matter. But, I do feel more comfortable that the entire post was allowed to be posted here.

Thank you and

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

I can't sit and say to myself...well she lied and never lost weight on her own eating plan but it still must be a valid diet. Hello! She's in it for the money and notoriety, not because she CARES about anyone.

People didn't pay $60 to have to tweak and come up with their own diet. They paid for sound, TRUTHFUL, advice. They didn't pay to be taunted and humiliated if they questioned anything only to be banned and have thier posts deleted.

ITA!! I did NOT get what I paid for!

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by Violet Skye

The snarky comments and Photoshopped gags will have a very limited shelf life, but it will matter generations from now to those who are casualties of this dangerous WOE and their loved ones. I speak as the daughter of a woman whose mother died 63 years ago this weekend of anorexia nervosa, before it was even recognized as a psychopathology. My mother, who was 12, and her sister, who was 8, are irreparably scarred from their mother's illness and death. And now we have, before our eyes, a group of families who could potentially be affected by the devastation of starvation diets on the ones they cherish.

My undergrad degree is in Journalism, and I am very sensitive to editorial bias, manipulating facts, and so on. I am all for objectivity and fairness, even if I do have a tendency to let my hair down and goof and vent when the pain gets too much. But if you would have grown up without a grandmother because she couldn't stop the spiral of starvation, you'd feel the wounds of the Kimkins refugees as deeply as I do. And you'd probably not be feeling too compromised if certain journalistic standards weren't upheld 100%, as long as the message got out. Because, as my mother, my aunt and the rest of my family can tell you, this is serious business.

I agree with you. All it takes for a person with an eating disorder is a tiny trigger to fall back into a possibly deadly obsession, and in this case KK could be more than just a tiny trigger. Aside from pro ED sites, where else would you be able to find the kind of advice that people get at KK? I have said it there before (and of course it got deleted) hair loss, amenorrhea, snatt and constant dizziness are the same symptoms that people with anorexia exhibit after mistreating their bodies. KK admins and Kimmer herself are those who keep telling their members that it is okay to experience certain side effects, but it is not. I am not a mean person, but in this case I can't walk around with my eyes closed when I see someone with Kimmer's potential: She can cause serious health problems for people that they will possibly battle for years.

[boogie]

OK I am going to admit that I have not read past page 46 but I just have to post so I apologize if this has already been addressed.

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#1 Hair Loss is NOT just because of a diet called Kimkins, it is because of ANOREXIA which, I'm sorry is Kimkins.

I have suffered form anorexia hitting an all time low of 84lbs at 5'6" tall - SCARY! There is not one person on this site on Kimkins or where ever that will convince me that eating the Kimkins way is not a form of anorexia. Been there done that - I know what I'm talking about.

#2 Heart palpitations is not just because of a diet called Kimkins it is caused by Anorexia/malnutrition when diet is in the scenerio. Again, Kimkins = Anorexia.

Not only did I [and still do] have heart palpitations, I had a mild heart attack as a result of anorexia. It happens.

#3 panic attacks do happen to people. I also have those but guess what? It in no way is the same as palpitations due to malnutrition/anorexia. I ended in up in the hospital a few years back with what I thought was another heart attack and there I was diagnosed with a panic attack. Doctors KNOW the difference. Christin would not have been sent to a cardiologist for Panic/anxiety attacks. sorry Melt.

For those that are following the KK "diet" or did and are now experiencing problems (they do not all start right away - mine didn't) it is because of the diet they were on. Kimkins is the cause because of the instruction given on how to 'eat'. Kimkins = all the problems of malnutrition/anorexia.

Sorry to ramble but I'm just upset that Real Physical Problems are just easily dismissed by some just because it isn't or hasn't happened to them.

OK got to go get ready for a wedding reception.

[boogie]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

In the very least, Kimkins should come with a warning label. This is a calorie-restricted, fat-restricted, minimal carb plan that may cause dizziness, headaches, blackouts, hair loss, thyroid problems, heart problems and could trigger eating disorders.

Yes!!! Buyer Beware.

[Peskie]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

Anybody that knows me knows I don't get "sent" by anybody to do anything. And I do not group think. I do think for myself.

I can vouch for that, having spent all last weekend with this chickie. She's "real"

Just sayin'

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by rebel

Well said Locarb4me, and I love your avatar.

I love it too, I laugh, internally, everytime I see it. I am sure it is aimed at Melt!

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

In the very least, Kimkins should come with a warning label. This is a calorie-restricted, fat-restricted, minimal carb plan that may cause dizziness, headaches, blackouts, hair loss, thyroid problems, heart problems and could trigger eating disorders.

In gathering individuals together collectively for the lawsuit, the stories of these women who have suffered for having followed this diet both short and long term has astounded me.

If Kimmer was who she said she was, I would recommend a warning label for her site and any advertisements or products Kimkins sold. Since Kimmer is Heidi Diaz and she committed consumer fraud among a host of other legal offenses in the creation and marketing of the Kimkins site, I am afraid that the website will not be there for those who have benefited from her plan.

And when all legal issues have been dealt with, I doubt that anyone online or in real life will be able to use the Kimkins name.

Heidi Diaz personifies the definition of charlatan.

[Tanner]

Well nothing would surprise me now... even though it was eloquent -- ( reminds me of a politician -- agree but disagree LOL ) .... and to the point especially on a business prespective
It was not positive to the KK way so ... " off with their heads " so to speak..
TT talks about being UnAmerican -- well IMO she fits the bill there.
Im sure the apple didnt fall far from the tree..

Im sure they will be banned if history repeats itself..
It does not further the KK cause..

Lets just see...

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Though I wish they questioned the diet for their own safety, I'm glad they're speaking up and wanting to see the truth from Heidi/Kimmer. She's not going to come through, but they have a right to see for themselves. I wonder if this will cause them to be banned.

[Purple Crayon]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

I do believe there is a difference between a partial quote within a thread where the original post exists in its entirety..........and a partial quote where there is no way for the reader to check the context of the mentioned article.

I agree. You are absolutely right.

[RibeyeLover]

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[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by RibeyeLover

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is this pic suppose to mean someting? am I missing something?

[PamB]

Kimmer is missing

[Katinsac]

Where did everybody go? What is it, dinner time or something? lol....

[dointhis4me]

WOW!! I was following this this whole Kimmer thing back when we were on page #1. I just can't keep up but for all the work you all have put into bringing Kimmer down I wanted to say great job

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by PamB

Kimmer is missing

duah....saw that but didn't catch it, Pretty good!!