Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[KimPossible]

I may get flamed, here...but a thought keeps crossing my brain, and I KNOW there is no excuse to stoop to her (Kimmer's) level, but there is a LOT that goes on "behind the scenes" of her KK board that is very rude and insulting DIRECTLY, not just in the context of a joke and it comes from her. Do people get to accuse her of being a dirty rotten scoundrel? No, at least, not for long. Cuz she bans them. AND keeps their money. Just for thought...

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by KimPossible

... "hacked" no pun intended...BUT the back and forth makes little difference and the fact that this thread was flamed in that post makes little difference in the big picture (although, I repeat, if you are going to post something it should be the WHOLE thing).
What you've pointed out is the game, albeit nasty at times. The FRAUD Kimmer is perpetrating on the public is NOT a game. IT IS ILLEGAL. She, along with her present employees that ban any negativity, are responsible for the way this situation has gone.

Major Ditto!

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by KimPossible

I may get flamed, here...but a thought keeps crossing my brain, and I KNOW there is no excuse to stoop to her (Kimmer's) level, but there is a LOT that goes on "behind the scenes" of her KK board that is very rude and insulting DIRECTLY, not just in the context of a joke and it comes from her. Do people get to accuse her of being a dirty rotten scoundrel? No, at least, not for long. Cuz she bans them. AND keeps their money. Just for thought...

Exactly!

There is such freedom here that we can discuss our quite different points of view without the looming danger of suddenly being banned without any warning and/or their posts deleted as have so MANY that barely raised a peep.
(Thanks admins here again! )

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by KimPossible

I may get flamed, here...but a thought keeps crossing my brain, and I KNOW there is no excuse to stoop to her (Kimmer's) level, but there is a LOT that goes on "behind the scenes" of her KK board that is very rude and insulting DIRECTLY, not just in the context of a joke and it comes from her. Do people get to accuse her of being a dirty rotten scoundrel? No, at least, not for long. Cuz she bans them. AND keeps their money. Just for thought...

*blows on nails*

[teri f]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

I am willing to post it in its entirety here in this forum. For the record, my feeling s that were given in the KK forum were to reveal how distastefully I find the behaviors on BOTH sides of this issue. I did not write it to try to gain enemies or friends or attack others. It just reflects my feelings of having nowhere to go in the low carb world that is reasonable anymore. I do not fit in anywhere. I think for myself, and do not fall in line easily just because others say I should. That puts me in a very precarious position, and I am very tired of it. I do not want to try to convince anyone here to change how they feel about Kimmer/Heidi or Kimkins. However I would like everyone on both sides of the issue to think about how they are treating each other.

I'm sorry that you feel there is no where for you to go. LCF has many wonderful supportive people who are very helpful. Have you checked out the Main Lobby, Century Club, or any of the other plans or challenges? If you do, you'll find lots of help and caring. This thread has been for finding the truth, venting anger and hurt, healng bodies, minds and souls. Heidi Diaz has hurt ALOT of people in alot of ways. It's been helpful for victims and survivors to go through this process together. Most everyone here is looking forward to the day she is brought down. She DESERVES to be brought down!

We have welcomed everyone with open arms. Please don't think we are trying to hurt anyone. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Our hope is that no one else gets hurt by that despicable woman.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by KimPossible

I may get flamed, here...but a thought keeps crossing my brain, and I KNOW there is no excuse to stoop to her (Kimmer's) level, but there is a LOT that goes on "behind the scenes" of her KK board that is very rude and insulting DIRECTLY, not just in the context of a joke and it comes from her. Do people get to accuse her of being a dirty rotten scoundrel? No, at least, not for long. Cuz she bans them. AND keeps their money. Just for thought...

Exactly!!!

[Vandy J.]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

It's a good post. To be honest, my initial feeling is anger at your trivialization of the health issues because I'm one of the "whiners" losing my hair and and waiting on test results. I have a hard time understanding how someone else can dismiss what that must be like for someone. And also, I DO care what happens to anyone doing this plan. But enough of that.

What jumped out at me though was your statement about if you're not banned . Why do you have to fear being banned for having said what you did in your post? Doesn't it bother you that you have to be concerned about losing your paid lifetime membership because you spoke your mind?

I may be wrong but to me hair loss is a trivial matter as far as total health is concerned. It is much less serious than diabetes, high blood pressure and many other obesity related illnesses. I have yet to see any real proof connecting a diagnosed serious illness to the Kimkins diet. Since I have not experienced any problems myself, so I can only take the word of others. I have sat in amazement as one day a poster will sing kimkins praises call her a saint and three days later is a hater. It doesn't ring true to me. It is one extreme to another and stinks of sour grapes. So taking peoples word at this point while everyone is jumping on one bandwagon or the other is not logical. I don't think the woman is a saint and never did. Honestly I never really liked her much. But some of what she said made sense. I took the parts that made sense to me and used them. I rejected the things that didn't make sense to me. I enjoyed the site and the support I found there. It helped me lose 30 pounds. It is that simple. Yes it is ridiculous that I have to worry about being banned there, but do you think I worry about it less here? If I took the site admin to task and accused him of all kinds of things, would he and should he tolerate it? No.
If I get banned here or there, so be it. My life does not revolve around message boards. It is a trivial thing. I will not try to convince you that you shouldn't feel the way you do or pursue things. I am positive you have reasons, I only ask that you re-evaluate the tactics being used. I definitely will not try to defend Kimmer/Heidi , especially since she refuses to even do that for herself and in my book that stinks to high heaven.

[KimPossible]

I have yet to see any real proof connecting a diagnosed serious illness to the Kimkins diet.

Have you seen Christin's blog video?????

[wifezilla]

is a LOT that goes on "behind the scenes" of her KK board that is very rude and insulting DIRECTLY, not just in the context of a joke and it comes from her. Do people get to accuse her of being a dirty rotten scoundrel? No, at least, not for long. Cuz she bans them. AND keeps their money. Just for thought...

I <3 Kimpossible!

Lets see...there was FATKINS...and EAT YOUR GREASY BURGERS...and something about eating a pile of cookies...and calling us haters...and saying we are a cult...and telling people who got sick they just weren't tough enough, and calling people whiners...and....

AND none of that changes the fact the KIMKINS IS BASED ON A LIE! The founder of the KIMKINS diet claims to be 118lbs and a size 4. She is more like 300lbs and a size 24/26. This is a FACT.

My OPINION is that anyone who is aware of this fact and still chooses to support her is a party to deceipt and fraud. Her supporters don't seem to care who has been ripped off, who has had their health damaged, or the HARM the KIMKINS DIET does to the LOW CARB COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE! Hey! As long as THEY lose weight, who cares about anyone else.

As it is, the low carb way of eating is constantly under attack as being bad and unhealthy. KIMKINS gives all the unenlightened a WHOLE PILE of ammo in trashing something that ACTUALLY DOES help people lose weight and regain their health when done correctly.

WHEN YOU SUPPORT KIMKINS THROUGH FINANCES, ASSISTANCE, MORAL SUPPORT OR PARTICIPATION ON HER SITE, YOU ARE UNDERMINING THE CREDIBILITY OF THE LOW CARB WAY OF EATING.

If saying this makes me mean, nasty, snarky, evil or rude....so what? I doesn't change reality.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Steve

Holy crap! You people are some serious posting ducks. I'm still not caught up on #3 yet.

Can someone direct me to where I can start reading about Kimmer going on a posting frenzy, after having one too many? Please and Thank you.

HoneyBee, this reminds me of you >

Hi and thanks for the duckybee pic!
Someone may have already answered this because I am just now reading page 38 but if not here is where Kimmer turned into WonderWoman....
Why the fascination with Kimmer? #3
Post 1929 on that page is the first quote from WonderWoman!!

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by teri f

I'm sorry that you feel there is no where for you to go. LCF has many wonderful supportive people who are very helpful. Have you checked out the Main Lobby, Century Club, or any of the other plans or challenges? If you do, you'll find lots of help and caring. This thread has been for finding the truth, venting anger and hurt, healng bodies, minds and souls. Heidi Diaz has hurt ALOT of people in alot of ways. It's been helpful for victims and survivors to go through this process together. Most everyone here is looking forward to the day she is brought down. She DESERVES to be brought down!

We have welcomed everyone with open arms. Please don't think we are trying to hurt anyone. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Our hope is that no one else gets hurt by that despicable woman.

I agree!

Your LAST paragraph says it all, how many times do we have to say it?

THIS IS ABOUT HEIDI, HEIDI !!!!!!!

(Grandfather.... Grandfather!!!!) Just trying to lighten the mood.
No too many will understand anyway.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

I may be wrong but to me hair loss is a trivial matter as far as total health is concerned. It is much less serious than diabetes, high blood pressure and many other obesity related illnesses. I have yet to see any real proof connecting a diagnosed serious illness to the Kimkins diet. Since I have not experienced any problems myself, so I can only take the word of others. I have sat in amazement as one day a poster will sing kimkins praises call her a saint and three days later is a hater. It doesn't ring true to me. It is one extreme to another and stinks of sour grapes. So taking peoples word at this point while everyone is jumping on one bandwagon or the other is not logical. I don't think the woman is a saint and never did. Honestly I never really liked her much. But some of what she said made sense. I took the parts that made sense to me and used them. I rejected the things that didn't make sense to me. I enjoyed the site and the support I found there. It helped me lose 30 pounds. It is that simple. Yes it is ridiculous that I have to worry about being banned there, but do you think I worry about it less here? If I took the site admin to task and accused him of all kinds of things, would he and should he tolerate it? No.
If I get banned here or there, so be it. My life does not revolve around message boards. It is a trivial thing. I will not try to convince you that you shouldn't feel the way you do or pursue things. I am positive you have reasons, I only ask that you re-evaluate the tactics being used. I definitely will not try to defend Kimmer/Heidi , especially since she refuses to even do that for herself and in my book that stinks to high heaven.

Hair loss is far from trivial. It is the first sign of several illnesses. Malnutrition being one of those. Thyroid problems being another. Neither of which are trivial. You may see it as trivial but I can guess that if you were losing yours you'd feel differently and after speaking to your doctor, even fearful.
You say you took what you wanted and rejected the rest. That's good. It may be what saves you from any health problems. Unfortunately, I didn't. I followed it like it was said to. I had never done low carb before. I had never even read about it. I'd heard about it but never looked into it. KK was suggested to me. I believed what I read. I believed the pictures I saw. I believed it when they said it was healthy. I joined.
As for tactics, what tactics of mine are you referring to?

[Woman Typing Badly]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I don't doubt there are nice members there. I know there are. I'm referring to the nastiness, personal attacks, disregard for religious beliefs and the like that is allowed to remain and the posters allowed to remain while people are banned for questioning the plan or the creator of the plan. Banned for asking honest questions in a polite and respectful way. Questions they have a right to get answer to. I was banned for asking about TOS. I was a member and I saw for myself people banned for simply asking questions, while others were allowed to remain who were nasty to those that asked their questions stated their fears, or disagreed. It was not done to be fair or compassionate. The same is still happening and it's worse than when I was there. Doesn't that speak volumes to you? Haven't you witnessed the same?


Vandy made an excellent post that I mentioned I could have written myself.

I did not post to debate kimmer/admin/bannings/nastiness etc. There has been 4 threads with a kabillion posts attesting to the things you have listed.

I posted because I saw a post exported here by someone who was not kimmer or admin that was not an altogether complete picture of what that person was trying to say. And I spoke up about it. Which for me, has nothing to do with kimmer or admin and everything to do with the very people that posters here are claiming to want to help and protect. Again, I will not comment on kimmer, her tactics, her admin, and all the other drama...... My opinion on that is irrelevant anyhow. I only asked why such an incomplete picture of what she was trying to say was posted.

When I was a member there is no way, for example, that the poster Melt would have remained a member. No way. It would have never been tolerated. Why is it tolerated now do you think? As far as deleting of posts here by the admins, what of the deletions at KK? What has been deleted? Was it posts made that were threatening or nasty? Or were they posts that contained information that *they did not want others reading, or questions that, for some reason, were deemed trouble making? Think about that. Doesn't that feel wrong? Doesn't that make you wonder?



I do not have answers for many of your questions as i am not, nor have I ever been admin. Nor am I kimmer, for the record. I also have no desire to debate any of that here. I would have started debating (and agreeing on some points) starting on thread 1 if that were the case.


I'm sorry the pictures were offensive to you. I didn't post pictures. I can assure you I do not want to see anyone else hurt. I'd like to ask you (and I honestly hope it comes across without any negativity because it's not meant as such), what do you think about the changes in the plan? Is that how it was when you joined? It's far from what it was when I joined. Why did they change the plans? Any explanation given? What about maintenance? Shouldn't someone who lost so much weight on her own diet and claimed to have kept it off for several years have a maintenance plan ready to go? Does any of this concern you?

None of this is why I posted and altho I will say that I agree that there are many valid questions in your post and the posts of others. I don't like any of the negative/mocking/derisive/etc stuff here or there and the other stuff, the pics, the scandals, etc. I am simply choosing not to comment on.

What about those that were on the diet and have experienced health issues? Do you believe they have? I can tell you I have. My hair is falling out. I can't get it to stop. I've had dizziness, exhaustion, rashes. I used to have a very thick, curly head of hair. My scalp shows all over now. I'm waiting on the results of tests I had done and I'm afraid of what they'll show. I'm afraid I've hurt myself in my quest to "Get Healthy."
Do you see any of the admins or kimmer showing any compassion or concern for anyone who is experiencing any health problems from those still there, those banned, or those that quit? These are things that matter. Whether or not you think people here are being what you think they should be, put that aside for just a moment. Don't think of it as a battle between places and people. Just think about all that you've seen. Do you or anyone you know have reason for doubt? Do you have reason to be worried? Do you feel assured that you and the other members are safe? You may not believe me but I'm worried for the health and safety of anyone involved in the KK WOE. That's what most are worried about here and on many other sites.

Again, I am choosing not to comment on these issues.

Again, I hope what I have typed came out how it was in my head. Tone is an important thing and it's hard to convey with just words. No sarcasm or nastiness was intended in any way.

You did not come across sarcastic or nasty and I appreciate that. I hope I didn;t either. I tried very hard not to. Thank you.

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

Yes it is ridiculous that I have to worry about being banned there, but do you think I worry about it less here? If I took the site admin to task and accused him of all kinds of things, would he and should he tolerate it? No..

I haven't been here that long but the admins have been very nice here. I have no fear of being banned unlike at kk's site. Any "taking to task" at kk's as being legitimate issues brought up with a mercurial and unknown TOS.
My experience here has been most pleasant concerning admins. I've seen a couple of "hey, guys, cool it" posts and the members addressed answered with a "no problem, sorry" response.

Someone brought up "fat bashing". Truly, I haven't seen that and if I had I wouldn't have tolerated it. The WW avi may not have been in everyone's taste and I haven't seen it lately so I think it's gone. The only "fat bashing" I've seen is at Kk's taking advantage of our vulnerablitlies in a bizarre, surreal manner.

[Violet Skye]

Sometimes we need to step back and look at the bigger picture. In fifty years from now, none of this will matter anyway.

The snarky comments and Photoshopped gags will have a very limited shelf life, but it will matter generations from now to those who are casualties of this dangerous WOE and their loved ones. I speak as the daughter of a woman whose mother died 63 years ago this weekend of anorexia nervosa, before it was even recognized as a psychopathology. My mother, who was 12, and her sister, who was 8, are irreparably scarred from their mother's illness and death. And now we have, before our eyes, a group of families who could potentially be affected by the devastation of starvation diets on the ones they cherish.

My undergrad degree is in Journalism, and I am very sensitive to editorial bias, manipulating facts, and so on. I am all for objectivity and fairness, even if I do have a tendency to let my hair down and goof and vent when the pain gets too much. But if you would have grown up without a grandmother because she couldn't stop the spiral of starvation, you'd feel the wounds of the Kimkins refugees as deeply as I do. And you'd probably not be feeling too compromised if certain journalistic standards weren't upheld 100%, as long as the message got out. Because, as my mother, my aunt and the rest of my family can tell you, this is serious business.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Sharis

THANK YOU Jeanessa! I have been waiting MONTHS for someone to acknowledge this. While I truly can understand some of the frustration and anger many of you feel towards Kimmer it seems to me that very few are taking responsibility for the part they played in all of this. Yes, you did! I did, you did, anyone and everyone who paid to be on that site did. Kimmer didn't create herself. WE created her here on THIS BOARD. I know because I was around then and I watched it happen. Kimkins would not exist if not for LCF and all of the desperation here and in the world to lose weight and to lose it at ANY COST. In our desperation we bought it all hook, line and sinker. We elevated our GOD onto her thrown and worshiped. No, not everyone but enough so that this woman was able to go build her own website and create nationwide attention to this eating plan of hers that was going to save us all from ourselves. Remember the wise quote from Eleanor Roosevelt in which she said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. ... No one can take advantage of you without your express permission" I think these words most appropriate for this situation.

I don't so much care about what happens to Kimmer or her diet. I just hope that once this all settles maybe some of you are able to step back and accept the GIFT that is being given to you through this fiasco. There is a wonderful life lesson here for each of us to grab hold of and it has NOTHING to do with Kimmer/Heidi/Kimkins. It has to do with how we choose to feel about ourselves and our bodies, our own self-worth, and how we all can be susceptible to making poor choices and giving our personal power away and possibly damaging our bodies and our spirits by participating in this group exercise of self-loathing. The gift is in stepping back and owning your responsibility for the choices you made and taking the time and effort to figure out why you made those choices. You cannot fix what you don't acknowledge to be broken. It seems to me there is much here to be fixed. You can bring Kimmer down but that doesn't solve the problem. There's a new Kimmer right around the corner just waiting for us to raise her up and call her Messiah. Look on our own board. We teeter on the brink daily it seems. "Oh, someone lost 5 lbs this week. O.k. they just ate flax muffins and cheese. I'm gonna try that for a week" How many times do we see this kind of thing? We are just way too eager to give ourselves over to any sort of craziness as long as WE LOSE WEIGHT!. No, getting rid of Kimmer does not rid the world of the hole in its soul that people like Kimmer fill up. Until we heal ourselves it's only a matter of time before the next Heidi Diaz comes along to be worshiped.

I know my thoughts on this are quite unpopular but I haven't said anything on this matter for months and Jeanessa's post inspired me to jump in and just say what was on my mind. I just think there is so much time and energy going into the destruction of Heidi/Kimmer and in so doing so many of us have gone to some really bad places on these threads. As recent posts have touched on I think many of us who are not actively involved in this thread do see a lot of needless negativity, cruelty, and maliciousness. The fat jokes are inexcusable. The responses that we have no right to feel the way we feel and not to take it so personally are equally as inexcusable. There are enough people here who have expressed a great deal of unhappiness with the fat jokes that they should be stopped. You guys have sunk to some really low blows. Like I said, I understand the anger but getting down into the gutter doesn't do anyone any good. There are more productive ways to deal with your anger and frustration than by making up fat jokes or speaking the most horrible things about other people. And please try not to get defensive. I'm not trying to attack anyone but just to offer the perspective of a more objective observer. I know first hand how hard it is to be objective about a subject you are passionately involved with and I don't fault anyone for their myopia. I'm just saying it would be nice if you guys could be a little more open to those of us who express differing opinions on the subjects addressed in these threads.

O.k. I've babbled on enough. Thanks for listening to me and allowing me to say what's on my mind. I am very sorry for the suffering any of you have had to go through. I wish everyone here much peace.

Great post! I'm not overweight and I have found this thread to be way too much lately and lose focus of what I thought it meant. People say this thread is about Kimmer and Kimmer only, NO IT's NOT. Its about a diet/ advice and perspective that is so destructive, it is about a lot of people that have gone down this route and don't realise the potential harm this could be doing, it is about a lot of people whom do realise and are now having trouble recovering from that.

Back ages go, this was the focus, there were many discussions about trying not to get members from kimkins back up because we all just wanted to offer our hand, not hurt them.

I know a lot of people have been banned and want their money back and a lot of people are angry that shes still obese but think about it, is that really the most important aspect of this whole fiasco? I don't think it is.

Earlier there were lots of moderation. In all honesty, I was thinking this was a bad thing but being an Aussie I used to miss all the commotion as everything would be cleaned up by the time I was online. Now, when I go to catch up there are pages of posts that could be very offending and kind of makes the this whole thing seem tacky and her pictures were released weeks ago now. I don't want it to seem tacky, I don't want kimmer to just go down and people go off and continue what they are doing on their own not realising the potential consequences or not seeking the support they need. Not just that it feels the thread up with pages and pages of stuff is more likely to turn people away before they see something that may get help them.

Does that mean that I think nothing from that forum should be posted here showing how bad this diet can be? no I don't think so. After all if there wasn't the outrage over the teenage girl then she would probably still be there eating the way she was and still receiving the advice she was totally unchecked but we should be tasteful about it. And to the kimkins members who were offended when some post of theirs about their diet were pasted here, it really was nothing personal and whilst people try to be discreet and not quote etc they would also get hammered by kimkins supporters for not backing it up with facts which is what the quote is it is a way to back it up. It was kind of a double edged sword. How people were doing this diet did need to be shown because of lot of people didn't realise how low calorie and low fat it was for a lot of people, they were just caught up in the hype and the weight loss.

There are a few times now I have felt like giving up on this thread because I end up spending forever just catching up on fat pictures and jokes. I feel very passionately about kimmer and her diet so I wonder if it makes me feel this way how many others do and have left as a result?

At the same token I do not feel sorry for Kimmer and believe she has bought this on to herself and have myself laughed at a couple of the pictures so please don't think I am judging anyone I just think it is taking away the true message of all this or at least it is for me.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Violet Skye

The snarky comments and Photoshopped gags will have a very limited shelf life, but it will matter generations from now to those who are casualties of this dangerous WOE and their loved ones. I speak as the daughter of a woman whose mother died 63 years ago this weekend of anorexia nervosa, before it was even recognized as a psychopathology. My mother, who was 12, and her sister, who was 8, are irreparably scarred from their mother's illness and death. And now we have, before our eyes, a group of families who could potentially be affected by the devastation of starvation diets on the ones they cherish.

My undergrad degree is in Journalism, and I am very sensitive to editorial bias, manipulating facts, and so on. I am all for objectivity and fairness, even if I do have a tendency to let my hair down and goof and vent when the pain gets too much. But if you would have grown up without a grandmother because she couldn't stop the spiral of starvation, you'd feel the wounds of the Kimkins refugees as deeply as I do. And you'd probably not be feeling too compromised if certain journalistic standards weren't upheld 100%, as long as the message got out. Because, as my mother, my aunt and the rest of my family can tell you, this is serious business.

I'm so sorry this happened to your family.

[DuckFeathers]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Hair loss is far from trivial. It is the first sign of several illnesses. Malnutrition being one of those. Thyroid problems being another. Neither of which are trivial. You may see it as trivial but I can guess that if you were losing yours you'd feel differently and after speaking to your doctor, even fearful.

Very true. Hair loss is not just some vanity issue but a symptom of an underlying problem....could be thyroid issue among others, for example. And thyroid isn't just a problem for keeping weight off, btw. It affects your heart, your ability to bear children, your entire endocronological system.

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

I can but I will not. It is upsetting to the people at kimkins to have their posts posted elsewhere and I will not contribute to that.

that happens ALL over the internet, trust me

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

I am in the same thread with that person on the same website, responding to that person. I am not taking it to kimmers site. I do believe there is a difference. Ask Vandy.


and I do not think you are coming off as mean. I hope I am not either. It is not my intent.

I knew you were going to come back at me on that one. But got busy with something else and forgot to edit. I agree with you on that one, but for some of us, we can not keep up with all the threads, so taking out of context and posting, yes that may be the only part that is read. I myself have been a victim of that, where someone quotes just part of what I said, and then makes me look bad. So can certainly understand it!! But I do think that it shouldn't be such a big issue, as it happens all the time and sometimes it is to just make your post shorter, not to leave out stuff, because one feels the need to only print to prove their point. Am I making any sense???