Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[wifezilla]

What on earth possesses you to take such delight at the possibility of "bringing down the lady in red"?

Because I am a big fan of truth, justice and the American way. Kimkins is based on a LIE. She has commited FRAUD. I feel no need to be all flowery in my speach when pointing that out.

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Let me get this straight. Someone is upset that something may have been taken out of context but wont GIVE the context?

As for people being hurt, anyone can cry "my feelings are hurt". If FACTS hurt your feelings, does it make the facts the problem?

Speaking of facts. HEIDI LIED ABOUT HER near 200lb weight loss. She used that lie to MAKE MONEY OFF OF UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE. She used that lie to get in a magazine. HER LIE COST ME THE PRICE OF THAT MAGAZINE! Her lie has endangered people's health.

NOBODY is making fun of anyone for being 300lbs. WE ARE pointing out through humor, facts, and posting here that SHE IS PRETENDING TO BE 118lbs and a SIZE 4! I weighed 280 lbs about 6 years ago. IF I WENT AROUND TELLING PEOPLE I WAS A SIZE 4, would it make them wrong or bad to point out that I was INSANE?!?!?!

Once again wifezilla, good post.

It is sad that someone is getting attacked for a partial post. And yes, maybe it was to prove what she was trying to point out. So what? We do it all the time, cut parital stuff from quotes. I have been following this thread, too, from the beginning and nobody has made fun of fat people, only one lying, scamming, hurtful woman named Heidy Diaz, or Kimmer.

I know that can be hurtful to see that, but everyone here is seeking justice and yes, humor is often brought in light of the subject. I have heard some comments from other people about weight in my life and even though it wasn't about me, it still hurt because I used to be obese.

So I am sorry to those of you who have felt pain, no one means to cause it. And I personally have laughed at some of the stuff, but it was because it was against that person I have come to not like so much.

Can we have a group hug please?

[Woman Typing Badly]

Originally Posted by Lori

Perhaps to maintain integrity and to not violate others?

Then why post any of it at all? Vandy is not kimmer or admin.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Thx.Dr.A.

Question:

I've been keeping up since the beginning, but was in hospital for 2 weeks. I came back to find 1) most AVI's are now ducks, which are to show support to a blog I cannot reach with my system written by a person called Ducky who must represent the majority opinion of most of us here, and 2) no further news about Hidey's true identity.

Can a forgiving participant please just give me a quickie update? Am I basically up to speed at this point on the ducks and the investigation?

I didn't see a reply to you on the next page so thought I'd answer just in case. Where were you up to? Did you see the new pictures of Heidi showing that she is obese but not just obese shes actually bigger then her before photo? That is the main thing I think. Next is that Becky, Christin etc left and Christin is possibly now experiencing heart troubles. Lots of people have now left kimkins and Tippy is the new PR and apparently showing her true colours. Thats the goss in a nutshell I think.

[sallyk]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

Then why post any of it at all? Vandy is not kimmer or admin.

Just to prove my point, you keep cutting out part of a persons post, too. So you can make a comment on the part that means something to you.

Don't take this as being mean, cause it is far from it. I understand what you are saying, just letting you know it goes on all the time.

[Woman Typing Badly]

Originally Posted by sallyk

Just to prove my point, you keep cutting out part of a persons post, too. So you can make a comment on the part that means something to you.

Don't take this as being mean, cause it is far from it. I understand what you are saying, just letting you know it goes on all the time.

I am in the same thread with that person on the same website, responding to that person. I am not taking it to kimmers site. I do believe there is a difference. Ask Vandy.


and I do not think you are coming off as mean. I hope I am not either. It is not my intent.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Steve

Which one is that?

Kimkins Exposed

[jlshields]

Been reading the posts about taking thins out of context - quite interesting. Now I have a question, would there be any objection to posting the entire thread along with the comments by others (with names deleted of course). It is quite long and don't know if it should be posted or not, but it does give the complete picture of the responses to vandy's original post.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

To the people on these other forums/sites:
What on earth possesses you to take such delight at the possibility of "bringing down the lady in red"? Are your lives that empty and shallow that you find this to be entertainment? Do you not have Jerry Springer in your area to watch? Don't give me any bull about how you are only interested in the health and welfare of others. Making sure the world is a safer place without the Evil Kimmer. You are giddy and gleeful at the smell of blood in the water. You relish dressing up in your Duck avatars and making snide comments, all under the guise of being on the side of truth and right......yeah right. Keep telling yourselves that. If you feel you have been duped and scammed and humiliated then by all means follow up and do what you must. Put out the warnings, file the lawsuits, write your congressman......maybe eventually you will proceed with your lives. But this whole group sport of trying to bring this site down, and embarrass and humilitate the participants is just plain small minded, mean spirited entertainment.

I don't feel that way~ in fact, I feel deeply saddened by this whole mess. But then, I never joined Kimkins. I never even listened to Kimmer's advice when she was here, for free. I never tried the KE or her regular plan or the 500 calorie disaster 'plan behind the plan'~ So I don't feel the outrage of betrayal~ the fear of potential health damage~ the knowledge that I might never be able to eat normal amounts of food again without regaining all I lost.

I don't need to laugh for fear that I'll cry. I don't need to plot revenge. I don't need to right any personal wrongs.

But I'd be less than a decent human being if I didn't support those that want to make sure no one else takes the misdirection and walks down the same path that injured them.

Maybe you should understand that some of them are irreverent with their humor because if they don't focus outward, they might just start screaming and not be able to stop.

for everyone on both sides that have been hurt.
~~~N

[Vandy J.]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

I am in the same thread with that person on the same website, responding to that person. I am not taking it to kimmers site. I do believe there is a difference. Ask Vandy.


and I do not think you are coming off as mean. I hope I am not either. It is not my intent.

I do believe there is a difference between a partial quote within a thread where the original post exists in its entirety..........and a partial quote where there is no way for the reader to check the context of the mentioned article.

[Sharis]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

You bring up good and very valid points here.

Can I just say that a lot of the fat-bashing that goes on here stems from the very thing that I believe Hiedi was able to exploit in all of us? Our desire to be thin frequently borders on hatred for our own fat, or overweight.

I have posted time and again here about learning to love ourselves and not looking for validity and worthiness to come through weight loss. A few people have listened but many have ignored it.

This is a much larger issue than Hiedi Diaz, but really delves into the fabric of our culture.

I think that speaking out for what you believe to be right and calling out this negative behavior is a good thing and applaud you for it.

That being said - the anger, frustration and emotion here in this situation is bound to end up causing people to act in ways that offend some.

THANK YOU Jeanessa! I have been waiting MONTHS for someone to acknowledge this. While I truly can understand some of the frustration and anger many of you feel towards Kimmer it seems to me that very few are taking responsibility for the part they played in all of this. Yes, you did! I did, you did, anyone and everyone who paid to be on that site did. Kimmer didn't create herself. WE created her here on THIS BOARD. I know because I was around then and I watched it happen. Kimkins would not exist if not for LCF and all of the desperation here and in the world to lose weight and to lose it at ANY COST. In our desperation we bought it all hook, line and sinker. We elevated our GOD onto her thrown and worshiped. No, not everyone but enough so that this woman was able to go build her own website and create nationwide attention to this eating plan of hers that was going to save us all from ourselves. Remember the wise quote from Eleanor Roosevelt in which she said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. ... No one can take advantage of you without your express permission" I think these words most appropriate for this situation.

I don't so much care about what happens to Kimmer or her diet. I just hope that once this all settles maybe some of you are able to step back and accept the GIFT that is being given to you through this fiasco. There is a wonderful life lesson here for each of us to grab hold of and it has NOTHING to do with Kimmer/Heidi/Kimkins. It has to do with how we choose to feel about ourselves and our bodies, our own self-worth, and how we all can be susceptible to making poor choices and giving our personal power away and possibly damaging our bodies and our spirits by participating in this group exercise of self-loathing. The gift is in stepping back and owning your responsibility for the choices you made and taking the time and effort to figure out why you made those choices. You cannot fix what you don't acknowledge to be broken. It seems to me there is much here to be fixed. You can bring Kimmer down but that doesn't solve the problem. There's a new Kimmer right around the corner just waiting for us to raise her up and call her Messiah. Look on our own board. We teeter on the brink daily it seems. "Oh, someone lost 5 lbs this week. O.k. they just ate flax muffins and cheese. I'm gonna try that for a week" How many times do we see this kind of thing? We are just way too eager to give ourselves over to any sort of craziness as long as WE LOSE WEIGHT!. No, getting rid of Kimmer does not rid the world of the hole in its soul that people like Kimmer fill up. Until we heal ourselves it's only a matter of time before the next Heidi Diaz comes along to be worshiped.

I know my thoughts on this are quite unpopular but I haven't said anything on this matter for months and Jeanessa's post inspired me to jump in and just say what was on my mind. I just think there is so much time and energy going into the destruction of Heidi/Kimmer and in so doing so many of us have gone to some really bad places on these threads. As recent posts have touched on I think many of us who are not actively involved in this thread do see a lot of needless negativity, cruelty, and maliciousness. The fat jokes are inexcusable. The responses that we have no right to feel the way we feel and not to take it so personally are equally as inexcusable. There are enough people here who have expressed a great deal of unhappiness with the fat jokes that they should be stopped. You guys have sunk to some really low blows. Like I said, I understand the anger but getting down into the gutter doesn't do anyone any good. There are more productive ways to deal with your anger and frustration than by making up fat jokes or speaking the most horrible things about other people. And please try not to get defensive. I'm not trying to attack anyone but just to offer the perspective of a more objective observer. I know first hand how hard it is to be objective about a subject you are passionately involved with and I don't fault anyone for their myopia. I'm just saying it would be nice if you guys could be a little more open to those of us who express differing opinions on the subjects addressed in these threads.

O.k. I've babbled on enough. Thanks for listening to me and allowing me to say what's on my mind. I am very sorry for the suffering any of you have had to go through. I wish everyone here much peace.

[Woman Typing Badly]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

I do believe there is a difference between a partial quote within a thread where the original post exists in its entirety..........and a partial quote where there is no way for the reader to check the context of the mentioned article.

[SkeeterN]

Originally Posted by boogie

Well I have honestly never even checked out the Netrition website, but Guess what???

Tippy your boycott backfired!!! Your boycott made me check out the site and they will be having a new customer because of you - ME!

I love Netrition! I have a new order coming too! Gonna try my hand at Kevin's sugar cookies so I can make these this Thanksgiving and Christmas.

[Woman Typing Badly]

Originally Posted by Sharis

THANK YOU Jeanessa! I have been waiting MONTHS for someone to acknowledge this. While I truly can understand some of the frustration and anger many of you feel towards Kimmer it seems to me that very few are taking responsibility for the part they played in all of this. Yes, you did! I did, you did, anyone and everyone who paid to be on that site did. Kimmer didn't create herself. WE created her here on THIS BOARD. I know because I was around then and I watched it happen. Kimkins would not exist if not for LCF and all of the desperation here and in the world to lose weight and to lose it at ANY COST. In our desperation we bought it all hook, line and sinker. We elevated our GOD onto her thrown and worshiped. No, not everyone but enough so that this woman was able to go build her own website and create nationwide attention to this eating plan of hers that was going to save us all from ourselves. Remember the wise quote from Eleanor Roosevelt in which she said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. ... No one can take advantage of you without your express permission" I think these words most appropriate for this situation.

I don't so much care about what happens to Kimmer or her diet. I just hope that once this all settles maybe some of you are able to step back and accept the GIFT that is being given to you through this fiasco. There is a wonderful life lesson here for each of us to grab hold of and it has NOTHING to do with Kimmer/Heidi/Kimkins. It has to do with how we choose to feel about ourselves and our bodies, our own self-worth, and how we all can be susceptible to making poor choices and giving our personal power away and possibly damaging our bodies and our spirits by participating in this group exercise of self-loathing. The gift is in stepping back and owning your responsibility for the choices you made and taking the time and effort to figure out why you made those choices. You cannot fix what you don't acknowledge to be broken. It seems to me there is much here to be fixed. You can bring Kimmer down but that doesn't solve the problem. There's a new Kimmer right around the corner just waiting for us to raise her up and call her Messiah. Look on our own board. We teeter on the brink daily it seems. "Oh, someone lost 5 lbs this week. O.k. they just ate flax muffins and cheese. I'm gonna try that for a week" How many times do we see this kind of thing? We are just way too eager to give ourselves over to any sort of craziness as long as WE LOSE WEIGHT!. No, getting rid of Kimmer does not rid the world of the hole in its soul that people like Kimmer fill up. Until we heal ourselves it's only a matter of time before the next Heidi Diaz comes along to be worshiped.

I know my thoughts on this are quite unpopular but I haven't said anything on this matter for months and Jeanessa's post inspired me to jump in and just say what was on my mind. I just think there is so much time and energy going into the destruction of Heidi/Kimmer and in so doing so many of us have gone to some really bad places on these threads. As recent posts have touched on I think many of us who are not actively involved in this thread do see a lot of needless negativity, cruelty, and maliciousness. The fat jokes are inexcusable. The responses that we have no right to feel the way we feel and not to take it so personally are equally as inexcusable. There are enough people here who have expressed a great deal of unhappiness with the fat jokes that they should be stopped. You guys have sunk to some really low blows. Like I said, I understand the anger but getting down into the gutter doesn't do anyone any good. There are more productive ways to deal with your anger and frustration than by making up fat jokes or speaking the most horrible things about other people. And please try not to get defensive. I'm not trying to attack anyone but just to offer the perspective of a more objective observer. I know first hand how hard it is to be objective about a subject you are passionately involved with and I don't fault anyone for their myopia. I'm just saying it would be nice if you guys could be a little more open to those of us who express differing opinions on the subjects addressed in these threads.

O.k. I've babbled on enough. Thanks for listening to me and allowing me to say what's on my mind. I am very sorry for the suffering any of you have had to go through. I wish everyone here much peace.

Thank you for an excellent, objective post.

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Good grief!!!

I can't believe that things got out of hand..(by the way KState is beating Texas right now in football)..

Someone (who will remain nameless) sent me these portions from the KK site..

Sorry if peeps got upset..

*watching ALL football games too* carry on

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

Not necessarily. I am still there and there are still wonderful members there who want to post, lose weight the way they choose and not be mocked, ridiculed or be held up as examples of koolaide drinking cultists by other posters on other websites. Not to mention posts taken partially that make it look like they are supporting one side over another. I have taken some breaks from the kimkins site and not witnessed all you are referring to. But I am now and have been back there since the first Fasc. thread went up. There are still people there who want to make their choice to lose their weight this way and not have nasty personal attacks from other sites and threads. Kudos to the admins here as they have cleaned up many of the worst ones. That was fair and compasionate of them. Unfortunatey it makes for a situation of"what attacks? i haven't sene any attacks" and hard to quote.

I don't doubt there are nice members there. I know there are. I'm referring to the nastiness, personal attacks, disregard for religious beliefs and the like that is allowed to remain and the posters allowed to remain while people are banned for questioning the plan or the creator of the plan. Banned for asking honest questions in a polite and respectful way. Questions they have a right to get answer to. I was banned for asking about TOS. I was a member and I saw for myself people banned for simply asking questions, while others were allowed to remain who were nasty to those that asked their questions stated their fears, or disagreed. It was not done to be fair or compassionate. The same is still happening and it's worse than when I was there. Doesn't that speak volumes to you? Haven't you witnessed the same? When I was a member there is no way, for example, that the poster Melt would have remained a member. No way. It would have never been tolerated. Why is it tolerated now do you think? As far as deleting of posts here by the admins, what of the deletions at KK? What has been deleted? Was it posts made that were threatening or nasty? Or were they posts that contained information that *they did not want others reading, or questions that, for some reason, were deemed trouble making? Think about that. Doesn't that feel wrong? Doesn't that make you wonder?

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

I offer for your consideration that KKers question that due to the snideness, sarcasm, mockery of fat people (regardless of who they are) etc that goes on elsewhere.

Can I also say that I do not weigh much less than what guestimates have been of the weight of the person in the PI's pics?

The things I have heard said about her weight and physical appearance, regardless of whether I or she are scam artists, rings so ugly in my consciousness and spirit.

Regardless of whether my ethics are the same of another 200+pound person.... if our appearances are the same and that is mocked, in my mind it may as well be about me.

And I do not believe I am alone in this.
People keep saying they don't want me or other people at that site to be hurt and really try to understand the lack of authenticity that statement appears to have. Hurt can be emotional and mental as well as physcial.....

If the truth is what everyone wants they can rest assured the truth from my perspective as having a place on both sites was just posted.

I'm sorry the pictures were offensive to you. I didn't post pictures. I can assure you I do not want to see anyone else hurt. I'd like to ask you (and I honestly hope it comes across without any negativity because it's not meant as such), what do you think about the changes in the plan? Is that how it was when you joined? It's far from what it was when I joined. Why did they change the plans? Any explanation given? What about maintenance? Shouldn't someone who lost so much weight on her own diet and claimed to have kept it off for several years have a maintenance plan ready to go? Does any of this concern you? What about those that were on the diet and have experienced health issues? Do you believe they have? I can tell you I have. My hair is falling out. I can't get it to stop. I've had dizziness, exhaustion, rashes. I used to have a very thick, curly head of hair. My scalp shows all over now. I'm waiting on the results of tests I had done and I'm afraid of what they'll show. I'm afraid I've hurt myself in my quest to "Get Healthy."
Do you see any of the admins or kimmer showing any compassion or concern for anyone who is experiencing any health problems from those still there, those banned, or those that quit? These are things that matter. Whether or not you think people here are being what you think they should be, put that aside for just a moment. Don't think of it as a battle between places and people. Just think about all that you've seen. Do you or anyone you know have reason for doubt? Do you have reason to be worried? Do you feel assured that you and the other members are safe? You may not believe me but I'm worried for the health and safety of anyone involved in the KK WOE. That's what most are worried about here and on many other sites.

Again, I hope what I have typed came out how it was in my head. Tone is an important thing and it's hard to convey with just words. No sarcasm or nastiness was intended in any way.

[KimPossible]

Originally Posted by Woman Typing Badly

I'm willing to bet the person who's post was taken out of context , who is not kimmer or admin, cares. What does that make her?

Someone who has been caught up in this entire fiasco--unwittingly--and the fiasco is caused by????

Someone whose feelings about being partially quoted for gain on another site, matter little?

I didn't say the person's FEELINGS matter little. They matter alot! Did you see my next post about agreeing with you regarding the tasteless jokes, etc? What matters little is the back and forth between the two sides, both of which I've been on...I've had quotes and posts stolen from the KK site and posted UNDER THE GUISE of being me. I was "hacked" no pun intended...BUT the back and forth makes little difference and the fact that this thread was flamed in that post makes little difference in the big picture (although, I repeat, if you are going to post something it should be the WHOLE thing). What you've pointed out is the game, albeit nasty at times. The FRAUD Kimmer is perpetrating on the public is NOT a game. IT IS ILLEGAL. She, along with her present employees that ban any negativity, are responsible for the way this situation has gone.

[DuckFeathers]

Ok, let me get this straight ...

some of you are upset cuz some posts were partial snippets cuz something could possibly taken out of context and that wouldn't be fair?

It's kind of ignoring the big pink elephant in the middle of the room, isn't it?

My gosh, look at the Kimmer debacle and talk about integrity and possible violation?

She has my hard earned $60 for a lifetime membership that won't be there and isn't there now in the form it was a couple of months ago. And she apparently doesn't care. She took alot of money from alot of people plus the gov't and she doesn't care. Sorry, don't mean to rant but they were lot of things Kimmer broke beyond any sense of fair play or decency. Why not focus there? Then if there are some other little brush fires out there in the universe that need fixing, go for it. But right now, people are really being hurt by this woman.

Another poster got it right when they said if we didn't have this place, we'd just start screaming inside and wouldn't be able to stop.

[LosingToLive]

*putting polish on nails and sipping VERY hot tea*


Attn:

Wasn't me this Time!!!!!!


Love you guys !

[Piekinns]

Excellent post Sharis!

[KimPossible]

Originally Posted by Vandy J.

So, just as a matter of clarity. Are you saying that any and all bad behavior exhibited here in the form of snarkines, intrusion, partial quoting, tasteless jokes, mean spirited comments are all acceptable because Kimmer started it first?

No. See my post above (#1236)

Since when does one persons bad actions make it okay for others to follow suit.

Never. EVER.