Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[Violet Skye]

I guess Tippy finally found the ban button as my banta friends and I are banned as of last night. None of us have posted on kimkins since forever.

Tippy twigged onto the fact that you can't spell BANTA without the letters B, A & N. So she did what appeared to be the logical thing.

[gardener]

Coming out of lurkdom to say hey there! I've kept up since the beginning. Now I'm heading out of town for the weekend and know I won't be able to catch up when I get back.

You are all doing such a great job! I wanted to say thanks!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Cutie

mornin' friends! for those of you wanting to "do something" today...check this out!

Kimkins Affiliate Update: WLTips.com » Kimkins Controversy

Mornin Cutie!
I posted a comment there this morning. Maybe I am missing something but I think all affiliation and updates have been done???
What do you think?
Here is the link to the page with my comment- Kimkins Affiliate Update: WLTips.com » Kimkins Controversy - Kimkins Scam

[pazinhim]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Oh good catch Lovely! You are right..... Now that is funny and it wasn't even on purpose.

Oh nooo!! That was me!! I panicked when I read this and checked my word doc that I had been working from last night. I apparently had deleted the "word press" part of the intended link which was: Kimkins Exposed. Weird thing is that some actually went out correctly. Cut and paste error. (sigh)

Sooo NOT intentional and I did not mean to offend anyone. Promise.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by KarenG

I don't know if this has been asked or answered (I still have about 10 pages to get caught up on do you people ever sleep??)
but, what does he consider good fats?
Is Canola oil one? Because I am not crazy about olive oil, and prefer canola.
TIA!!!

We sleep in shifts! LOL
It appears that Dr. Pescatore recommends Macadamia Oil. I am not sure on his stance on Canola oil.
I did email him last night...3am this morning....requesting him to verify whether he had endorsed/approved the Kimkins plan that was published in the WW article. I don't have the article but others have stated that his comments in there appear to be approving of the kimkins plan.
I wanted him to state whether he did approve of the plan in WW or if his quotes were used out of context and to be aware of how it appears.
I also stated in my email to him that he should review the current information regarding Kimkins and then provided him links.
IF I get a response or hear more I will post an update.

ETA-I saw that Julie had already stated the mac oil....I'm slow to catch up this morning.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Mornin Cutie!
I posted a comment there this morning. Maybe I am missing something but I think all affiliation and updates have been done???
What do you think?
Here is the link to the page with my comment- Kimkins Affiliate Update: WLTips.com » Kimkins Controversy - Kimkins Scam

UPDATE!
Well WOO HOO! There is now a new comment after mine on the Kimkins Controversy site-
"When we looked today all the affiliate links appeared to be gone — great work everyone! Check out the new post about Google AdWords.
Comment by Kimkins Controversy — September 28, 2007"

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Buff-N-Tuff

Does anyone else think that heidi is a "silent" murder'er?
With the starvation mode she throws out there, people are so caught up with wanting to lose and be just like her, that they do not fully examine her plan and realize it is unhealthy.

Sheesh I can't catch up and I now have to get in the shower, still 5 pages behind. Anyway, Buff I was just thinking this. I'm wondering if Christin can call the local police and file attempted murder charges? I know its very dramatic and off base, but really the fact that heidi is still giving the "what are you eating" advice, it still screams lower your cals. So it's a thought.

Also again I have to quickly agree that Melt is Heidi. First of all we are all on this journey together right? How many other people here post about their sex life? I haven't seen anyone but Heidi, and I can't remember that post but it's in the first fascination thread but she I guess was saying her only exercise was the payment for the #2 or some such nonsense. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm single, and I'm no prude, but really? Those posts are waaaaaayyyy too similar.

Ok gotta shower and get to work, I'll finish catching up there. Thank god for slow days

[juniper01]

I know, I know, I said I was not coming back today, but I just want to make one statement before I get on with my real life.

I left off doing low carb about a year ago because of burn out, I was not doing it right. Although I was not a Kimmer follower, I had fed into the idea of cutting fats, eating lean protein only and trying to keep my carbs low. It back fired on me and made me anxious and I honestly felt that I was becoming obsessed and mentally unbalanced about it and had to back away from all boards. "Atkins" had become a dirty word to me, not because he was ever wrong, but because I chose to DO IT WRONG I did however realize that by leaving "Atkins", it was by no means an excuse to pull out the twinkies and potato chips. I have banged around with WW and other diets, (by the way, it is possible to do WW low carb using the point system) but I am always aware of keeping my carb counts below 100, which by most is still considered "low carb". I have mostly maintained, then saw a slow 10 lb creep which upset me. I came back to LCF in July to see all the hoopla over Miss Kimkins and got my dander flying due to the fact that her type of "diet" is the reason I started to hate low carb in the first place. I actually toyed with the idea of "doing Kimkins" and joining after I saw the article in WW......but there was a tiny voice reminding me in the back of my head how mentally imbalanced I had gotten by getting off the track of healthy low carb the year before.

Thankfully after reading the "fascination" thread and being helped behind the scenes by a really sweet and caring member (name withheld, but you know who you are!) I began to realize where I had gone wrong with low carb. It was with the thinking that it had to be lean low carb, and that protein amounts did not count. I was also wrong in thinking that I could not eat over 20 grams of carbs and lose. I have done more reading on healthy low carb and have found answers that I never found even after low carbing since 2003! It was simply because I never took the time to read and do it right, I was looking for a quick fix.

Many wonder what SNATT is caused by. I found the answer when reading an article from Barry Groves. I am not touting his diet, I feel we all have a decision to make for ourselves when it comes to deciding what path to go down.....Atkins, South Beach, LFL, etc, but this made so much sense to me, I will post this and hope that it helps someone that is struggling like I did. It helped me get over the fear of fat and realize that I needed to eat only the protein allotment my body needs.

This is from an article from Barry Groves:

"Excess intake of nitrogen leads in a short space of time to hyperammonaemia, which is a build up of ammonia in the bloodstream. This is toxic to the brain. Many human cultures survive on a purely animal product diet, but only if it is high in fat.[xii] [xiii] A lean meat diet, on the other hand cannot be tolerated; it leads to nausea in as little as three days, symptoms of starvation and ketosis in a week to ten days, severe debilitation in twelve days and possibly death in just a few weeks. A high-fat diet, however, is completely healthy for a lifetime."


So my friends, I finally have my answer as to why low fat, lean protein does not work for the human body. Read up on hyperammonaemia and you will run, not walk back to higher fat and the right amount of protein. By the way, this has also answered the question to my problem of getting up three times a night to go to the bathroom.....too much lean protein was causing me problems. Since lowering my protein down to 75 grams a day and adding back EFA's and coconut oil, I have one trip to the bathroom at night.......a great improvement over the three trips I was making.

Have I helped anyone.... I will not probably know, but after following this thread for two months, I had to get some things off my chest.

Juniper

[jimzgrl]

Originally Posted by pazinhim

Oh nooo!! That was me!! I panicked when I read this and checked my word doc that I had been working from last night. I apparently had deleted the "word press" part of the intended link which was: Kimkins Exposed. Weird thing is that some actually went out correctly. Cut and paste error. (sigh)

Sooo NOT intentional and I did not mean to offend anyone. Promise.

No offense taken here pazinhim! I think a lot of us had already clicked on the "other" site on accident!! I thought it was just plain FUNNY!!!!

[Gweebles]

Originally Posted by juniper01

Have I helped anyone.... I will not probably know, but after following this thread for two months, I had to get some things off my chest.

Juniper

Morning Hun!!!

Yes, you did help. I grew up in a ranch area, I also read this in Neanderthin. It is called "rabbit sickness" where I live. Living on low fat meats can be deadly. Even the native americans used fat liberally (pemacin) (sp??). I gotta find my Neanderthin book for the quote there on it. They describe it beautifully.

I too fell for the Kimmer sham because I was so desperate for a quick fix. I was so wrong, wrong, wrong.............. I KNOW Atkins works, not as quick, but at least I won't risk my health.

[boobookity]

Juniper,
Thanks for posting this. This makes me seriously wonder if SNATT and the toximity of the brain (from Dr. Groves quote) may be the cause of anerexia since a lot of anerexia conditions start with dieting. (the wrong way) This gives one food for thought, no pun intended.

Originally Posted by juniper01

I know, I know, I said I was not coming back today, but I just want to make one statement before I get on with my real life.

I left off doing low carb about a year ago because of burn out, I was not doing it right. Although I was not a Kimmer follower, I had fed into the idea of cutting fats, eating lean protein only and trying to keep my carbs low. It back fired on me and made me anxious and I honestly felt that I was becoming obsessed and mentally unbalanced about it and had to back away from all boards. "Atkins" had become a dirty word to me, not because he was ever wrong, but because I chose to DO IT WRONG I did however realize that by leaving "Atkins", it was by no means an excuse to pull out the twinkies and potato chips. I have banged around with WW and other diets, (by the way, it is possible to do WW low carb using the point system) but I am always aware of keeping my carb counts below 100, which by most is still considered "low carb". I have mostly maintained, then saw a slow 10 lb creep which upset me. I came back to LCF in July to see all the hoopla over Miss Kimkins and got my dander flying due to the fact that her type of "diet" is the reason I started to hate low carb in the first place. I actually toyed with the idea of "doing Kimkins" and joining after I saw the article in WW......but there was a tiny voice reminding me in the back of my head how mentally imbalanced I had gotten by getting off the track of healthy low carb the year before.

Thankfully after reading the "fascination" thread and being helped behind the scenes by a really sweet and caring member (name withheld, but you know who you are!) I began to realize where I had gone wrong with low carb. It was with the thinking that it had to be lean low carb, and that protein amounts did not count. I was also wrong in thinking that I could not eat over 20 grams of carbs and lose. I have done more reading on healthy low carb and have found answers that I never found even after low carbing since 2003! It was simply because I never took the time to read and do it right, I was looking for a quick fix.

Many wonder what SNATT is caused by. I found the answer when reading an article from Barry Groves. I am not touting his diet, I feel we all have a decision to make for ourselves when it comes to deciding what path to go down.....Atkins, South Beach, LFL, etc, but this made so much sense to me, I will post this and hope that it helps someone that is struggling like I did. It helped me get over the fear of fat and realize that I needed to eat only the protein allotment my body needs.

This is from an article from Barry Groves:

"Excess intake of nitrogen leads in a short space of time to hyperammonaemia, which is a build up of ammonia in the bloodstream. This is toxic to the brain. Many human cultures survive on a purely animal product diet, but only if it is high in fat.[xii] [xiii] A lean meat diet, on the other hand cannot be tolerated; it leads to nausea in as little as three days, symptoms of starvation and ketosis in a week to ten days, severe debilitation in twelve days and possibly death in just a few weeks. A high-fat diet, however, is completely healthy for a lifetime."


So my friends, I finally have my answer as to why low fat, lean protein does not work for the human body. Read up on hyperammonaemia and you will run, not walk back to higher fat and the right amount of protein. By the way, this has also answered the question to my problem of getting up three times a night to go to the bathroom.....too much lean protein was causing me problems. Since lowering my protein down to 75 grams a day and adding back EFA's and coconut oil, I have one trip to the bathroom at night.......a great improvement over the three trips I was making.

Have I helped anyone.... I will not probably know, but after following this thread for two months, I had to get some things off my chest.

Juniper

[skelly50]

What does this mean?

the payment for the #2

I am frightened of the answer!

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by skelly50

What does this mean?



I am frightened of the answer!

Payment (sex) for taking her out to lunch and buying her the #2 special on the menu. HTH

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by jimzgrl

No offense taken here pazinhim! I think a lot of us had already clicked on the "other" site on accident!! I thought it was just plain FUNNY!!!!

Same here...just funny given the context and that it wasn't on purpose.
You know that would be a TOS violation to Kimkins BTW.. Not that it matters because for that they wouldn't ban you....only if you have like a question on some issues...(just kidding)
AND
Welcome!

[skelly50]

Originally Posted by LosingToLive

Payment (sex) for taking her out to lunch and buying her the #2 special on the menu. HTH

WHEW! I guess all the poop talk made my mind go to THAT kind of #2!

[boobookity]

Originally Posted by skelly50

WHEW! I guess all the poop talk made my mind go to THAT kind of #2!

OMG

[jayed]

Welcome pazinhim,

That was a great post! (even with the inadvertent pron link heehee)

[ShellyW]

Juniper, well said... I am a lowcarb, high fat kinda girl. I am so glad you have found your answers!!

[Piekinns]

Originally Posted by skelly50

What does this mean?



I am frightened of the answer!

You should be afraid....very afraid

[suzanne13]

WHEW! Finally caught up! It sure sounds like it's becoming a ghost town over there.

Hello to everyone who has "seen the light" and come over here. I just wish I would've found this place and all of you before blowing my $$ there.

Thanks so much to those of you working so hard to stop this lunatic and her dangerous diet. I am off to read Ducky's blog.

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Cheri and all

Just wanted to apologize, because I posted the Paint Shop Pro morph of the red dress photo. I never meant to hurt anyone's feelings. I only wanted to lighten things up after seeing Christin's video and feeling so bad for her.

Kimmer's avator here on LCF was so unbelievably false -- an after picture which is suddenly someone half her age and looks like it was taken in the 1970s. And the red dress photo on kimkens.com is even more absurd. The woman seems to get younger and younger with each phony picture.

Sorry I shot myself in the foot on my first posting here. I completely understand the post being removed.

I thought that was me - you too?

[Lori42]

Originally Posted by stardust1

SHE JUST GOT BANNED

FINALLY IT'S OVER. WHY WAS IT TAKING SO LONG? AND SOMEBODY IS READING RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. INTERESTING.

Well hi guys, it's me.................Dana

I'm not caught up yet but I have to ask....Dana is that you? Long lost Dana that used to get into it with Kimmer all the time (and was a yaya too?)??

If so It's great to see you here again!

Lori