Why the fascination with Kimmer? #4

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

I am proud to share a corner with Cutie

all are welcome! i hear i have a "crew" of workers aiding and abetting me in my antikimkins campaign...she calls us the "cutie crew"

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

Actually, I've done low carb before, a hypoglycemia diet - back in the early 70's, and again in the late 70's, before the "fat phobia" mantra became so firmly entrenched in every TV commercial and everything on the grocery shelves was being touted as low fat this and fat free that.. There was never any mention in my hypoglycemia diet of calories or how much fat was needed in the diet for health. I just went by a list of high carb foods I needed to avoid or limit. I can honestly say I'd never heard that a VLCD was harmful, or even the term itself, so I had no frame of reference that there might be some kind of problem with eating such a restrictive VLCD.

Yes, I'd heard of anorexia, but in the only cases I'd heard much about, the dangers associated with anorexia seemed to be blamed on the very low weight the victims would achieve, not on the severe calorie restriction (and associated nutrient deficiencies) of anorexia.

I had thought that reaching the skin and bones weight was the real danger with anorexia. At least that's what I thought until just a few months ago, when I discovered that my own daughter had become anorexic over the last couple years, and began to read up on the causes, dangers and what actually constitutes anorexia. It's not the shockingly low weight - it's the severe calorie restriction, and having a number of other symptoms associated with it.

(Daughter's doing much better now - actually almost filling out her size 2 jeans. Still has a ways to go to be up to a healthy weight though. Even though she was only somewhat underweight for her height (moreso for her frame), she was not so underweight as to require inpatient treatment, and really only looked "model thin", not truly skin'n'bones anorexic thin. Yet when she was diagnosed, that was when I finally learned that she was dabbling in such dangerous territory with all the severe calorie restriction. Her daily intakes were quite similar to those who carefully followed Kimmer's advice. So far she's not showing any signs of long term damage, but from what I understand, sometimes the damage doesn't show up until years later.)

I eventually learned that it's just a game of russian roulette with your health, no matter how much you weigh while you're severely restricting calories to anorexic/VLCD levels.

Backtracking though... Along about the time my daughter was diagnosed, I started hearing a lot about Kimkins, and at some point I came across a link to the ask kimmer thread on LCF. Even while reading that thread, I still didn't realize it was a VLCD, or that it was the very low calorie part that was so dangerous. As I was reading that thread, a lot of what Kimmer said seemed to make sense to me, partly because of her persuasive manner, but partly because some things she said were so similar to what I'd heard much of my life, such as the claim that if you had bodyfat, you didn't need to eat, you could live off of that. How often during my life had I heard some overweight person in my own family say "I could live off my own fat for months"? They didn't realize that it's a dangerous concept, and it never occurred to me that it wasn't a safe thing to do, because I'd heard that very concept bandied about many, many times in my life.

Her plan actually started to look good to me. So much of what she said seemed to make sense, especially in this fat-phobic society, where we're constantly berated to eat less and less fat in order to lose weight.

At some point in all this mess, Kimmer claimed that the only difference between her plan and something like Weight Watchers was the lack of starchy carbs. And if you're not really thinking clearly about it, that seems right... until you realize that there was no way Weight Watchers would ever restrict any of their dieters to 2 cups of salad greens, and 1/2 cup of cooked veggies. They'd also have them eating fruit, as well as the starchy carbs. They'd limit fat and protein portions - but give specific amounts to consume, not give some kind of blanket "lean meat only" or "only enough fat to make your menu work". There is so much more to the weight watchers plans, giving anyone using their plans easily 1000 calories more every day.

My point is that unless you really thought about the stuff that Kimmer said, and realized that it was only true to a point, there might not have even been any red flags pop up for you. And anything that might raise serious red flags - such as the daily laxative use - she'd come up with some obscure (non-referenced) study that "proved" what she was saying was ok.

I'm sorry about your daughter. I'm glad she is on the road to recovery though!

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

WHERE'S HEIDI/KIMMER????

Sung to the tune of Frere Jacque


Where is Kimmer?
Where is Kimmer?

Who would know?
Who would know?

Seems to be a'missin'
Soon she'll be in prison

Tippy, too?
Tippy, too!


/it's the best I've got tonight, sorry

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Sung to the tune of Frere Jacque


Where is Kimmer?
Where is Kimmer?

Who would know?
Who would know?

Seems to be a'missin'
Soon she'll be in prison

Tippy, too?
Tippy, too!


/it's the best I've got tonight, sorry

we'll take it! anything to lighten the mood!

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Sung to the tune of Frere Jacque


Where is Kimmer?
Where is Kimmer?

Who would know?
Who would know?

Seems to be a'missin'
Soon she'll be in prison

Tippy, too?
Tippy, too!


/it's the best I've got tonight, sorry

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! I love it. My mommy used to sing that to me. Well not the Kimmer stuff

[MorganMacLeoid]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Sung to the tune of Frere Jacque


Where is Kimmer?
Where is Kimmer?

Who would know?
Who would know?

Seems to be a'missin'
Soon she'll be in prison

Tippy, too?
Tippy, too!


/it's the best I've got tonight, sorry

Ok.. that was funny.. and hopefully prophetic!!

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by CissyLynn

Is there a place to go on LCF to help ex-KK members find support and a new healthy eating plan? Also, is there a thread for people with 200+ pounds to lose? Thanks.

Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins

That's where I'm reading most.

[Cutie]

morgan, love the avi!!

and here ya go...

"cutie's crew" always gets some of my infamous cookies and cupcakes!

[airse]

kiwi8
Were you not one of the women giving everyone a hard time yesterday and today?EXCUSE ME !~~~ "YAWN' Mel

[CissyLynn]

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

Kimkins Dangers - Diet Review Website Slams Kimkins

btw to make a link, make sure you are in the advanced edit mode, type in the text you want the link to read as (in this case I used Kimkins Dangers - Diet Review Website Slams Kimkins) then highlight that text and click on the hyperlink button at the top of your text entry window and paste in the url to the site. HTH

Thanks for the free lesson! Little by little I'll get the hang of this stuff.

[MorganMacLeoid]

Originally Posted by Cutie

morgan, love the avi!!

and here ya go...

"cutie's crew" always gets some of my infamous cookies and cupcakes!

Thanks, boss!



The question is though.. with the other members of Cutie's Crew reveal themselves now?

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

Thanks, boss!



The question is though.. with the other members of Cutie's Crew reveal themselves now?

mebbe for cookies and cupcakes they will!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by kiwi8

No I do not think this, but I would tell anyone no matter what the advice, to listen to your own body and don't listen to everything you hear.....Hey lets not forget, this happened to me as well ok.....yes I made a blunder, but I am also taking responsibility for my part in it all......

These boards are full of people who listened to their bodies AND Kimmer. First they lost their appetites. That's great. Don't eat if you're not hungry. Check.
You can keep this up till you reach goal Uh, no. Their bodies absolutely rebelled with SNATT, hair loss, heart palpitations, dizziness, etc. Now they HAD to listen to their bodies' frantic signals for nourishment. Especially if their doctors and ER visits were costing them big $$$. They misinterpreted their body's signals and tried to "kill the messengers."
But there is an element of taking responsibility for one's own actions. It makes the deceived and defrauded feel guilty, then furious, at the deceiver. That's human nature and understandable.

Look if someone is selling you advice and they tell you to jump off a bridge, what are you going to do???

Poor analogy. Jumping off bridges is guaranteed harmful. Kimkins was guaranteed to be safe and healthy. Those with either loads of commonsense or experience were not sucked in. The inexperienced and desperate were.

I dont know, it's all sad to me, I have lost some really nice people I met over there, and that part sucks

Although there is frequently an element of competition among various diet sites, the animosity between KK and here is outstanding. Why? Because Kimmer started here. It's like she's a changeling child that wants to harm her family. The KK refugees, of which you are seemingly now one, are understandably confused and many perhaps will never lose their weight at all, blaming Low Carb for Kimmer's deceit. However, retribution is coming , and if they don't get brainwashed into hating us too badly, many of those nice folks may end up over here. The slight difference is that we bear the ordinary members no malice at all, although we are genuinely puzzled by their adherence to a con artist.

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

I'm with you. I've seen several weight lifting sites where Kimmer and this whole mess is being watched, laughed at, and Kimmer/Hidey disparaged no end.

The internet is a favorite lurking place for wackos of all descriptions. It only serves Kimmer's and Tippy's purposes to point the finger here.

She's getting famous, she is, our Heidi. Thank our mods we've been spared the worst of the namecalling, snickers and vulgarity permitted elsewhere.

[controlledcarb]

Hey, check it out....we're nearing a new thread again - I'm posting #3107 on #4.....let's get going with #5, eh?

LOL

[missis36]

Morgan you avi keeps changing and throwing me off \

Great song Sheridan btw

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by kiwi8

No I do not think this, but I would tell anyone no matter what the advice, to listen to your own body and don't listen to everything you hear.....Hey lets not forget, this happened to me as well ok.....yes I made a blunder, but I am also taking responsibility for my part in it all......
Look if someone is selling you advice and they tell you to jump off a bridge, what are you going to do??? now maybe just maybe I am being to blunt and out there for some of you, but yup we most likely got burnt, but I did come away with some information that I never knew before......so what to do now.....start being mean to the members who are still there for whatever their reason's??? I dont know, it's all sad to me, I have lost some really nice people I met over there, and that part sucks

I'm gonna ask for my money back - and then, if they ban me from driving over the bridge that I've paid for when I please - then I'm going to join the lawsuit to have the money given back and that phony bridge seller put in the slammer.

Furthermore, if I see them pushing my unsuspecting friends off of the bridge when the bridge seller, herself, is unwilling to take a dip - I'm going to do my dead level best to alert all of my friends to the existence of a very nice public road that gets to the same destination before I leave.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

Actually, I've done low carb before, a hypoglycemia diet - back in the early 70's, and again in the late 70's, before the "fat phobia" mantra became so firmly entrenched in every TV commercial and everything on the grocery shelves was being touted as low fat this and fat free that.. There was never any mention in my hypoglycemia diet of calories or how much fat was needed in the diet for health. I just went by a list of high carb foods I needed to avoid or limit. I can honestly say I'd never heard that a VLCD was harmful, or even the term itself, so I had no frame of reference that there might be some kind of problem with eating such a restrictive VLCD.

Yes, I'd heard of anorexia, but in the only cases I'd heard much about, the dangers associated with anorexia seemed to be blamed on the very low weight the victims would achieve, not on the severe calorie restriction (and associated nutrient deficiencies) of anorexia.

I had thought that reaching the skin and bones weight was the real danger with anorexia. At least that's what I thought until just a few months ago, when I discovered that my own daughter had become anorexic over the last couple years, and began to read up on the causes, dangers and what actually constitutes anorexia. It's not the shockingly low weight - it's the severe calorie restriction, and having a number of other symptoms associated with it.

(Daughter's doing much better now - actually almost filling out her size 2 jeans. Still has a ways to go to be up to a healthy weight though. Even though she was only somewhat underweight for her height (moreso for her frame), she was not so underweight as to require inpatient treatment, and really only looked "model thin", not truly skin'n'bones anorexic thin. Yet when she was diagnosed, that was when I finally learned that she was dabbling in such dangerous territory with all the severe calorie restriction. Her daily intakes were quite similar to those who carefully followed Kimmer's advice. So far she's not showing any signs of long term damage, but from what I understand, sometimes the damage doesn't show up until years later.)

I eventually learned that it's just a game of russian roulette with your health, no matter how much you weigh while you're severely restricting calories to anorexic/VLCD levels.

Backtracking though... Along about the time my daughter was diagnosed, I started hearing a lot about Kimkins, and at some point I came across a link to the ask kimmer thread on LCF. Even while reading that thread, I still didn't realize it was a VLCD, or that it was the very low calorie part that was so dangerous. As I was reading that thread, a lot of what Kimmer said seemed to make sense to me, partly because of her persuasive manner, but partly because some things she said were so similar to what I'd heard much of my life, such as the claim that if you had bodyfat, you didn't need to eat, you could live off of that. How often during my life had I heard some overweight person in my own family say "I could live off my own fat for months"? They didn't realize that it's a dangerous concept, and it never occurred to me that it wasn't a safe thing to do, because I'd heard that very concept bandied about many, many times in my life.

Her plan actually started to look good to me. So much of what she said seemed to make sense, especially in this fat-phobic society, where we're constantly berated to eat less and less fat in order to lose weight.

At some point in all this mess, Kimmer claimed that the only difference between her plan and something like Weight Watchers was the lack of starchy carbs. And if you're not really thinking clearly about it, that seems right... until you realize that there was no way Weight Watchers would ever restrict any of their dieters to 2 cups of salad greens, and 1/2 cup of cooked veggies. They'd also have them eating fruit, as well as the starchy carbs. They'd limit fat and protein portions - but give specific amounts to consume, not give some kind of blanket "lean meat only" or "only enough fat to make your menu work". There is so much more to the weight watchers plans, giving anyone using their plans easily 1000 calories more every day.

My point is that unless you really thought about the stuff that Kimmer said, and realized that it was only true to a point, there might not have even been any red flags pop up for you. And anything that might raise serious red flags - such as the daily laxative use - she'd come up with some obscure (non-referenced) study that "proved" what she was saying was ok.

Really good post, Madam. It goes a long way in explaining just how people can and do get sucked into this dangerous diet. It really doesn't have anything to do with 'smarts'.

I'm glad your daughter is receiving help and is doing bettter now and wish her all the best! You, too.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Cutie

mebbe for cookies and cupcakes they will!

Cookies? Cupcakes? um, where do I go for this?

[Tanner]

wishful thinking I am sure...

I thought she was only trying to sweep it under the rug?

Originally Posted by Tooter

Let's see, in a nut-shell, Tippy has said:

The Red Dress Never Existed.

[flowerpower]

Originally Posted by SMP

Although there is frequently an element of competition among various diet sites, the animosity between KK and here is outstanding. Why? Because Kimmer started here. It's like she's a changeling child that wants to harm her family. The KK refugees, of which you are seemingly now one, are understandably confused and many perhaps will never lose their weight at all, blaming Low Carb for Kimmer's deceit. However, retribution is coming , and if they don't get brainwashed into hating us too badly, many of those nice folks may end up over here. The slight difference is that we bear the ordinary members no malice at all, although we are genuinely puzzled by their adherence to a con artist.



She's getting famous, she is, our Heidi. Thank our mods we've been spared the worst of the namecalling, snickers and vulgarity permitted elsewhere.

Good post - I wish people would quit being critical of others. Well - except Kimmer and those that continue to gain financially by her fraudulent claims.

If everyone would just ignore any naysayers here and elsewhere - the focus could stay where it belongs - bringing Kimmer down. Those refugees from kimmer's site could be directed to wonderful support on this website via support groups and diets created by doctors and nutrionists.

[Katinsac]

boy, some of you guys have a really great sense of humor!! loce it Mommy

[Mayberryfan]

Hey, Mayberryfan....come 'ere and gimme a hug Anyone giving Melt a hard time is a friend of mine

Right back at'cha, LC4me!

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by jayed

Cookies? Cupcakes? um, where do I go for this?

come to my corner...and you'll see...