Kimkins Refugees Support Group

Kona sunset · 09-22-2007, 11:39 AM

It's been said that we need a support group for those of us that have left Kimkins. A thread was started earlier, but the title made it hard to know what it was about, so I am starting a new one. Many people are trying to find their way after learning that all of the KK plans are nutritionally bankrupt and/or being banned because they questioned things.

There is a lot of good information on this website. However, it can be pretty intimidating to try to figure it all out. That is why I started a thread earlier called Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins. There is much good information there.

Finding the right WOE seems to be an individual thing. Some (like me!) are just not really into low fat. Others are used to low fat, but not low carb and need to gain an understanding of the differences and why doing both is not a good thing. Then, there are those who had never dieted before jumping on the KK bandwagon and have no clue how to figure out what is really healthy. It is quite likely that we will not all end up on the same WOE. Most people tweak the written plans to fit them. With that in mind, let's support each other in finding what works for us and continuing the journey we have started in a healthy way.

lindaokc · 09-22-2007, 03:41 PM

Hi Kona,

Fancy meeting you here

I like the idea of a support thread for kimkins followers....I know I certainly had some problems when I stopped following her program, most of which are taken care of now, but I"m still floundering around, trying to figure out a new way to lose weight (or an old one, like Atkins) lol. Still not sure which way to go, still maintaining between 155-160, so not losing, for sure, but trying not to gain either.
Been reading Mary Enig & Sally Fallon books, the Nourishing Traditions book also, finding out alot of nutritional info that I had no idea about, trying to just eat whole fresh foods (I fall off the wagon sometimes) and doing my best to heal my metabolism (dont' know if it's really broken or not, maybe it's just old age) and trying not to gain back what I worked so hard to lose.
I'll be watching and looking forward to supporting those that come our way. Thanks for starting this thread.

Kona sunset · 09-22-2007, 07:19 PM

Linda! Thanks for stopping by. I noticed that people are reading. Just don't have anyone posting yet, but I'm sure they will come.

Have you been to the healthy thread this evening? I posted the beginnings of the new plan. See what you think. I'm glad you are maintaining. I think it just takes some time to figure out our bodies and what works for us. As I said before, it seems to be very individual. We'll figure it out together!

lindaokc · 09-22-2007, 07:39 PM

Yes, I did see your posting on the new plan over on the "Building" thread. It really sounds good. I know you've put in alot of hard work on that plan. It's coming together nicely. I admire all your dedication.
Wish I had the enjoyment of veggies that you have. I will eat my meat and leave the rest of the meal alone. They never have appealed to me, darn it.

Kona sunset · 09-22-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lindaokc

Yes, I did see your posting on the new plan over on the "Building" thread. It really sounds good. I know you've put in alot of hard work on that plan. It's coming together nicely. I admire all your dedication.
Wish I had the enjoyment of veggies that you have. I will eat my meat and leave the rest of the meal alone. They never have appealed to me, darn it.

Thank you, Linda! It's a rather daunting task.

I'm beginning to wish I had gone for the nutrition degree that I thought about long time ago!

Now, we gotta figure out a way to get you to eat your veggies! Have you tried butter on them? Makes 'em yummy and ups your good fats at the same time!

2big4mysize · 09-22-2007, 08:58 PM

hey guys just stopped by to see if any new folk were stopping in. good to see you haven't gained while you are getting healthy lindaokc.

since you don't like veggies hide them. Have you tried purreeing them and using that as the wet ingredient in your meat loaf or meat balls?
Fawn hides a whole days worth in that green shake of hers.
You can make sauces out of them too/ roast some peppers and then puree them.
How about soup? cream of soups can do lots of veggies.
do you like pumpkin? you can hid that veggie in muffins in omlettes ( add pie spice and you could be having pumpkin pie for breakfast

grilling veggies helps make them taste sweeter too asperagus on the grill are nothing like the stuff in the cans or boiled. you can shredd zuchini and make hash browns too.
cauliflower will make great faux tatersjicamam can be baked like an apple with a special low carb recipe that will taste great even if the jicamam doesn't get soft.
spaghetti can hide a whole garden of veggies as can lasagna.

lindaokc · 09-23-2007, 04:49 AM

Good morning,
Thanks for the suggestions, 2 big
I have been reading about the "Fawn shake" and thinking of trying it. Raw veggies. Going to the store tomorrow and I'll buy the veggies then. Then all I have to do is work up my nerve.

I do enjoy cooked cabbage and have a couple of dishes I use that in, (Tippy soup, mexicale beef and cabbage) along w/ onion & celery in one. I've started putting mushrooms and green peppers in the mix when I make pizza toppings, (for pizza on egg bread) so the aversion I have is not near as big as it was a few years back. I also use frozen spinach when I make my turkey meatballs.(thank goodness you can't taste it). I would love to get in several servings a day. That would really make me healthy, but I don't see that happening, unless I do happen to enjoy that "Fawn shake".
And yes, Kona, I do use butter on my veggies. It does help them go down a little better. After looking at my list, I guess I eat more veggies than I thought I did. Maybe I'm not quite as hopeless as I thought.

2big4mysize · 09-23-2007, 07:23 AM

if you are working up to the shake why not start small with just one cup oif a veggie in it like one you already like and when you see how good it is then you can add another veggie in small amounts until you have worked up to Fawns full blkast veggie shake

sammymomma · 09-23-2007, 07:33 AM

Hey this is much more supportive and "attractive" for those who have doubts in what is going on.

Thank you

lindaokc · 09-23-2007, 08:10 AM

Good idea, 2 big. Might just need to start that way and work up to it. Or maybe can jump in with both feet <shudder>. We'll see

Hi Sammymomma

Glad you joined us. HOpe others will follow.

Kona sunset · 09-23-2007, 12:52 PM

Hi, all!

sammymomma! Glad to have you join us.

Thanks for the veggie suggestions, 2big. I like my veggies, but always looking for new ways to cook them so maybe DH will like them, too, although I think that's a lost cause. He doesn't set a very good example for DD. Thankfully, she's a veggie eater, too. Weirdest kid I ever saw. She doesn't like much in the way of fruit, but loves veggies.

Linda, it does sound like you're not totally hopeless!

I'm sure you will find some ways to fix your veggies that you will like. 2big is right about it making a big difference how things are cooked. My MIL cooks fresh asparagus in the microwave with a little lemon pepper on it. Of course, she doesn't use butter (they're the low fat people, ya know), but it's yummy. Much better than the canned stuff. Of course, I would put butter on it! They also cook squash on the grill. Sometimes they brush a little salad dressing on it as it's cooking. That's good, too. Also, different tastes is why I tried to make the veggie list (see the healthy thread) as broad as possible. That way, you can pick the things you like best and maybe try something new occasionally. Controlledcarb had some good suggestions on that (healthy thread again).

Kona sunset · 09-24-2007, 07:57 AM

Good morning, everyone!

It's Monday and time to recover from the weekend!

I went carb crazy yesterday. DH left on a business trip. Don't know if that had anything to do with it, but he wasn't around for support.

You know, on KK I was sooooo determined and now, I can't seem to get that determination back.

I sure wish I knew what to do. I think part of the problem is indecision about what plan to follow. Throw in a craving for potato soup (that with salad was lunch yesterday) and the monthly birthday celebration at church with cake and ice cream... well, that was a recipe for disaster! Those weren't the only indiscretions, either!

DH wants to do 3-4 days of K/E when he gets home. He doesn't restrict the fats and won't give up his cheese for anything! It's probably more like Atkins '72 induction minus the salads. Maybe I'll join him for that (with salad) and see how it goes. I'm probably not in ketosis anymore and that may be why I'm struggling so much right now. Still a bit

We'll see how the week goes!

lindaokc · 09-24-2007, 02:49 PM

Well, I had a pretty carby yesterday myself, eating all kinds of stuff I had no business having. I paid this morning, the scale is 160, so today I started back watching what I'm putting in my mouth. I didn't eat breakfast cause there was nothing left in the house and by the time I got back from the grocery store, I was starving. I made myself a "Fawn shake" and I gotta tell you it was darned good. Fruity tasting and good for me too. I used:
1/4 C. berry flavored aloe vera juice
1 dannon carb control smoothie
splash of milk
1 C. romaine
1 C. spinach
1 C. coleslaw mix
1 C. mustard greens
1/4 C. blueberries
2 strawberries

Threw it all in the blender and let it go for a couple of minutes to make sure it was all blended. Didn't want any chunks in there. I didn't look very appetizing, but when I drank it, it really tasted good. I think I am going to be adding this to my daily meals. Pretty low calorie and sooo good for you. I know after a few days of this my body will thank me. It's held me til supper time but I'm ready to eat again now.

Kona sunset · 09-24-2007, 05:05 PM

OK, Linda, if you say it's good, then I reckon it is. I'll have to get brave and try it. If I don't like it, I can always give it to my mom! LOL Looks like it would definitely be a good way of getting your veggies in, especially on a day like I've had today with very little in the veggie department. *sigh*

MollyBrown · 09-25-2007, 06:54 AM

Hi all, this is a great thread, just the one I was looking for.

I have been upping my fats, and my carbs a little by eating more allowed veggies. On KK I was eating about 450-600 calories, I am up to around 800-900 now, and trying to increase a little at a time. But I seem to be just maintaining now and no longer losing any weight. :-(

At least I am not gaining, as I did when I first went over 600 calories.

Kona sunset · 09-25-2007, 07:06 AM

Molly! Glad to have you join us. It's good to see that you are upping your calories and no longer gaining. Just don't get discouraged. You may need to maintain for awhile before the weight starts to come off again. It's a slow process after being on a VLCD. Just ask Linda! She was on KK for several months and has been working on getting her calories up for a couple of months now. She's maintaining as well, though she has more to lose. I'm sure she will chime in soon.

lindaokc · 09-25-2007, 08:10 AM

Good morning, dear ones

Welcome, Molly, so glad you found us and are trying to get your calories up. I do understand having to fight that mindset, as that was one of my big problems. It's almost a panicky feeling when trying to bring up your calories and fat, it goes against everything your mind is telling you. You will make it and have made wonderful progress so far.
What I am doing right now is trying to heal my metabolism. I got a book from Curves that talks about it. It says to pick a 5 lb range, for me it's between 155-160 and stay there. It says at first you will be dieting most of the time, but it will be less & less as your body heals and your metabolism gets going again. It says to stay there until you are not dieting so much to stay there, then to take your calories down a little to start losing again. Now, I don't follow it to a T, I eat things I shouldn't eat and way over on calories some days and under some days, but I'm alot healthier than I was and I'm feeling better than I have in a long time and some problems I had on kimkins are pretty much gone for the most part. I could probably force myself to get down to my goal weight now, but I'm not in any hurry, kinda enjoy being at this weight and fitting into clothes. I know I can eat more at this weight than at goal, but I can eat alot more now and not gain, so I'm satisfied for the time being. 155 happens to be my lowest weight and then my body started fighting me and then I found the controversy and so I started trying to find a better way. I do feel like my metabolism is stronger now but still dont' know what plan I will follow. I'm eating alot more fat, more calories and weight has kinda stablized between 155-160 and it doesn't take it long to come off either.
I'm so tickled that you are here and will be healing your body. Read the Building thread also, there is alot of good information on there. Be sure to get your EFA's in and if you think you can handle it, try the "Fawn shake". Try it even if you think you can't handle it. It sounds awful but I promise it's good.
Welcome Molly, welcome, welcome

Everything is gonna be ok now, girl.

Lovin'Life · 09-25-2007, 09:54 AM

Hi I posted a previous post and Linda directed me here. Thanks!

I'm new here and I will admit my mindset it is still not wanting to change. The recommendation I got concering my diet. Which is here was to up the fat and veggies. I think I can do that. I have never been overly concerned with fat but do want to make sure I up it with good fat any ideas?

Also I can't eat broccoli trust me my stomach acts up immediately that was the problem I had when I use to eat South Beach Diet Meals

Ok anyway my issue is this. I'm not having any problems, I'm not tired, I feel great. I think this is my reluctance to change. I eat three meals a day, drink lots of water, and have much more energy.

Also I will say that I do eat off plan, I have not set a pattern. I was very strict without eating off for about 1 month in which I lost the bulk of my weight. I then did some free days and would go up work it back off and then some and do another free day so overall I was losing 2 lbs or so a week. Then I went on vacation and ate whatever I want.

Today I'm back to my lowest I was before vacation at 165.5....So I'm still fighting myself on whether I'm doing something wrong or right? I'm feeling great when I eat this way but I don't want to hurt my health.

Can I be anymore CONFUSED!!

I've also read threads in here and it just confuses me more. I'm not even sure where to begin.

I will tell you I totally agree with the refeed idea I think it is great for your body. My concern is this...I feel great now...but I don't want to ruin my health in the future so I still am not sure what the heck I'm suppose to be doing UGH!!

BTW I'm 33 I currently weigh 165.5 I started 6/10/07 at 196...I like the low carb diet because you lose faster. I just don't want to risk my health.

lisabinil · 09-25-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lovin'Life

Hi I posted a previous post and Linda directed me here. Thanks!

I'm new here and I will admit my mindset it is still not wanting to change. The recommendation I got concering my diet. Which is here was to up the fat and veggies. I think I can do that. I have never been overly concerned with fat but do want to make sure I up it with good fat any ideas?

Also I can't eat broccoli trust me my stomach acts up immediately that was the problem I had when I use to eat South Beach Diet Meals

Ok anyway my issue is this. I'm not having any problems, I'm not tired, I feel great. I think this is my reluctance to change. I eat three meals a day, drink lots of water, and have much more energy.

Also I will say that I do eat off plan, I have not set a pattern. I was very strict without eating off for about 1 month in which I lost the bulk of my weight. I then did some free days and would go up work it back off and then some and do another free day so overall I was losing 2 lbs or so a week. Then I went on vacation and ate whatever I want.

Today I'm back to my lowest I was before vacation at 165.5....So I'm still fighting myself on whether I'm doing something wrong or right? I'm feeling great when I eat this way but I don't want to hurt my health.

Can I be anymore CONFUSED!!

I've also read threads in here and it just confuses me more. I'm not even sure where to begin.

I will tell you I totally agree with the refeed idea I think it is great for your body. My concern is this...I feel great now...but I don't want to ruin my health in the future so I still am not sure what the heck I'm suppose to be doing UGH!!

BTW I'm 33 I currently weigh 165.5 I started 6/10/07 at 196...I like the low carb diet because you lose faster. I just don't want to risk my health.

You may be feeling well now but you have to think about the long run. As I understand they are now stating on the Kimkins site that it isn't a plan for the long run and are desparately looking for some type of maintenance plan. Screwing up your metabolism doesn't happen overnight contrary to popular belief flooding the forum right now. Pick veggies & fats you like. Instead of the lc yogurt try a full fat plain yogurt and sweeten it yourself. I like Fage Greek yogurt-it has a thick creamy consistency like pudding. Use full fat mayo and eat full fat cottage cheese. Use cream or half and half. It's not hard to get your healthy fats up there. Mostly I think you will have to read and research-arming yourself with knowledge is the best way to go.

lindaokc · 09-25-2007, 10:26 AM

Hi lisa

I seem to be following you around, lol, and I really need to get off here.
Ya know, lovin'life, I felt really good when I first started kimkins also...my skin looked healthier and I had more energy, etc. But that was only at first. It didn't take long before I started feeling draggy and wasn't as sharp upstairs, didn't have the energy it takes to exercise, but then I'm older than you are. The point is, the body will start to be upset with the way it's being treated and all sorts of things will happen that you won't like. I can't tell you what that will be, but it will be detrimental to your health. I can certainly understand your mind set, I had the same problem, but I didn't even have the energy and other good things anymore to convince me. I'm sure it's hard with all the great things going on to convince yourself it's not healthy. By the time you figure those things out, bad things have already started to happen.
We've all gone through or are going through the confusion right now. But we WILL find our way and we WILL learn the right way to lose the excess weight we want to lose. Hang in there, girl.

Kona sunset · 09-25-2007, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lovin'Life

Hi I posted a previous post and Linda directed me here. Thanks!

I'm new here and I will admit my mindset it is still not wanting to change. The recommendation I got concering my diet. Which is here was to up the fat and veggies. I think I can do that. I have never been overly concerned with fat but do want to make sure I up it with good fat any ideas?

Also I can't eat broccoli trust me my stomach acts up immediately that was the problem I had when I use to eat South Beach Diet Meals

Ok anyway my issue is this. I'm not having any problems, I'm not tired, I feel great. I think this is my reluctance to change. I eat three meals a day, drink lots of water, and have much more energy.

Also I will say that I do eat off plan, I have not set a pattern. I was very strict without eating off for about 1 month in which I lost the bulk of my weight. I then did some free days and would go up work it back off and then some and do another free day so overall I was losing 2 lbs or so a week. Then I went on vacation and ate whatever I want.

Today I'm back to my lowest I was before vacation at 165.5....So I'm still fighting myself on whether I'm doing something wrong or right? I'm feeling great when I eat this way but I don't want to hurt my health.

Can I be anymore CONFUSED!!

I've also read threads in here and it just confuses me more. I'm not even sure where to begin.

I will tell you I totally agree with the refeed idea I think it is great for your body. My concern is this...I feel great now...but I don't want to ruin my health in the future so I still am not sure what the heck I'm suppose to be doing UGH!!

BTW I'm 33 I currently weigh 165.5 I started 6/10/07 at 196...I like the low carb diet because you lose faster. I just don't want to risk my health.

Lovin'Life! You are not alone. Many coming off of that WOE are feeling the confusion. Please, if you haven't already, go reading this thread:
Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins. It has so much great information, especially about fats, their importance, what's good, etc. Meanwhile, go for coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, cold pressed sesame oil, macadamia nut oil, other cold-pressed nut oils.

It's important to make sure you get your EFA's. I understand flax seed is great for omega-3, but haven't tried it. You can also use fish oil. The Building thread explains in more detail. Check page 8 for more specifics on EFA's.

Good luck! Glad you are here.

Kona sunset · 09-25-2007, 11:35 AM

Thanks for chiming in, Lisa. Good to have you here.

Thanks for your comments, Linda. You were on KK so much longer than I was. I never really got to the point of anything bad happening that I know of. I was feeling better than I had in a long time, but I also was going up and down on my calories without even realizing what I was doing. I'm just glad you "dragged" me out of there when you did!

I didn't want to leave, but I am so glad I did.

Lovin'Life · 09-25-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

You may be feeling well now but you have to think about the long run. As I understand they are now stating on the Kimkins site that it isn't a plan for the long run and are desparately looking for some type of maintenance plan. Screwing up your metabolism doesn't happen overnight contrary to popular belief flooding the forum right now. Pick veggies & fats you like. Instead of the lc yogurt try a full fat plain yogurt and sweeten it yourself. I like Fage Greek yogurt-it has a thick creamy consistency like pudding. Use full fat mayo and eat full fat cottage cheese. Use cream or half and half. It's not hard to get your healthy fats up there. Mostly I think you will have to read and research-arming yourself with knowledge is the best way to go.

This is where I get confused if I eat regular yogurt or cottage cheese isn't that adding back in carbs?

I'm sorry I'm not being stubborn I have been on the board quite often trying to get an understanding of the best thing to do.

I start reading and I get so confused and upset that I end just get off because it makes me want to eat LOL.

I will admit I have always had a hard time with "take this vitamin", "you need this", "this is good for you. " It seems so many different nutritional things are good for you, you would have to take too many to get them all.

I think if I'm eating ok and just need to ad some fat and veggies that may not be to bad. I'm concerned about adding carbs like the carbs from the yogurt, cottage cheese, or anything like that. As I do think the reason for my lose is the lack of carbs.

I have read that they say if you are eating low carb you should be eating 60-70% fat.

I'm not against the change. And I never intended by any means to make this a long term thing. I have to lose 30 pounds. After that I have my own maintence plan. I think I'm going to have to keep researching it has been so hard because the information is overwhelming and sometimes contradicting when you get many people commenting.

So basically if I add some veggies with fiber and some good fat I should be doing ok? I think this would be ok. The only thing I never liked when I did the Atkins at the time it was like you can eat anything but carbs and I hated the "bad" fats the bacon and grease and stuff.

I am working at getting the right mind set. I think part of my problem is I just lost the 9lbs I gained during my vacation and got back to my low weight and I'm so afraid if I change things I will stall or gain and let me tell you I am a very mental weight loser. When I see gains it tears me up..I think this is why this plan appeals to me.

I just wanted to thank you all and know that I am not trying to be hard headed I'm trying to continue to come read in hopes that I will start to find something that I think will work that will not damage my health.

Wouldn't life be so much easier if like kids you were told eat this and it will all be ok....SIGH!!

Also in my experience when I try to eat what I consider healthy I have a hard time. Healthy would be

Oatmeal or Healthy Cereal in the morning

A banana or some fruite for a snack<

09-22-2007, 11:39 AM	#1
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	Kimkins Refugees Support Group It's been said that we need a support group for those of us that have left Kimkins. A thread was started earlier, but the title made it hard to know what it was about, so I am starting a new one. Many people are trying to find their way after learning that all of the KK plans are nutritionally bankrupt and/or being banned because they questioned things. There is a lot of good information on this website. However, it can be pretty intimidating to try to figure it all out. That is why I started a thread earlier called Building a healthy WOE (if possible) based on Kimkins. There is much good information there. Finding the right WOE seems to be an individual thing. Some (like me!) are just not really into low fat. Others are used to low fat, but not low carb and need to gain an understanding of the differences and why doing both is not a good thing. Then, there are those who had never dieted before jumping on the KK bandwagon and have no clue how to figure out what is really healthy. It is quite likely that we will not all end up on the same WOE. Most people tweak the written plans to fit them. With that in mind, let's support each other in finding what works for us and continuing the journey we have started in a healthy way. __________________ I find the great thing in this world is, not so much where we stand, as in what direction we are moving. ~Goethe~

09-22-2007, 03:41 PM	#2
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Hi Kona, Fancy meeting you here I like the idea of a support thread for kimkins followers....I know I certainly had some problems when I stopped following her program, most of which are taken care of now, but I"m still floundering around, trying to figure out a new way to lose weight (or an old one, like Atkins) lol. Still not sure which way to go, still maintaining between 155-160, so not losing, for sure, but trying not to gain either. Been reading Mary Enig & Sally Fallon books, the Nourishing Traditions book also, finding out alot of nutritional info that I had no idea about, trying to just eat whole fresh foods (I fall off the wagon sometimes) and doing my best to heal my metabolism (dont' know if it's really broken or not, maybe it's just old age) and trying not to gain back what I worked so hard to lose. I'll be watching and looking forward to supporting those that come our way. Thanks for starting this thread. Last edited by lindaokc : 09-22-2007 at 03:42 PM.

09-22-2007, 08:58 PM	#6
2big4mysize Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,698 Gallery: 2big4mysize Stats: 313 to current goalie 169-173 WOE: Atkins 2002 Start Date: june 1 2002	hey guys just stopped by to see if any new folk were stopping in. good to see you haven't gained while you are getting healthy lindaokc. since you don't like veggies hide them. Have you tried purreeing them and using that as the wet ingredient in your meat loaf or meat balls? Fawn hides a whole days worth in that green shake of hers. You can make sauces out of them too/ roast some peppers and then puree them. How about soup? cream of soups can do lots of veggies. do you like pumpkin? you can hid that veggie in muffins in omlettes ( add pie spice and you could be having pumpkin pie for breakfast grilling veggies helps make them taste sweeter too asperagus on the grill are nothing like the stuff in the cans or boiled. you can shredd zuchini and make hash browns too. cauliflower will make great faux tatersjicamam can be baked like an apple with a special low carb recipe that will taste great even if the jicamam doesn't get soft. spaghetti can hide a whole garden of veggies as can lasagna. __________________ 5/04 goalie Hashimoto hypothyroid diagnoised 02 kimkins info 2BIG's BLOG If you are or were a member of kimkins and live in San Diego County please help

09-23-2007, 04:49 AM	#7
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Good morning, Thanks for the suggestions, 2 big I have been reading about the "Fawn shake" and thinking of trying it. Raw veggies. Going to the store tomorrow and I'll buy the veggies then. Then all I have to do is work up my nerve. I do enjoy cooked cabbage and have a couple of dishes I use that in, (Tippy soup, mexicale beef and cabbage) along w/ onion & celery in one. I've started putting mushrooms and green peppers in the mix when I make pizza toppings, (for pizza on egg bread) so the aversion I have is not near as big as it was a few years back. I also use frozen spinach when I make my turkey meatballs.(thank goodness you can't taste it). I would love to get in several servings a day. That would really make me healthy, but I don't see that happening, unless I do happen to enjoy that "Fawn shake". And yes, Kona, I do use butter on my veggies. It does help them go down a little better. After looking at my list, I guess I eat more veggies than I thought I did. Maybe I'm not quite as hopeless as I thought. Last edited by lindaokc : 09-23-2007 at 04:51 AM.

09-22-2007, 07:19 PM	#3
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	Linda! Thanks for stopping by. I noticed that people are reading. Just don't have anyone posting yet, but I'm sure they will come. Have you been to the healthy thread this evening? I posted the beginnings of the new plan. See what you think. I'm glad you are maintaining. I think it just takes some time to figure out our bodies and what works for us. As I said before, it seems to be very individual. We'll figure it out together!

09-22-2007, 07:39 PM	#4
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Yes, I did see your posting on the new plan over on the "Building" thread. It really sounds good. I know you've put in alot of hard work on that plan. It's coming together nicely. I admire all your dedication. Wish I had the enjoyment of veggies that you have. I will eat my meat and leave the rest of the meal alone. They never have appealed to me, darn it.

09-23-2007, 07:23 AM	#8
2big4mysize Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,698 Gallery: 2big4mysize Stats: 313 to current goalie 169-173 WOE: Atkins 2002 Start Date: june 1 2002	if you are working up to the shake why not start small with just one cup oif a veggie in it like one you already like and when you see how good it is then you can add another veggie in small amounts until you have worked up to Fawns full blkast veggie shake

09-23-2007, 07:33 AM	#9
sammymomma Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 392 Gallery: sammymomma	Hey this is much more supportive and "attractive" for those who have doubts in what is going on. Thank you

09-23-2007, 08:10 AM	#10
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Good idea, 2 big. Might just need to start that way and work up to it. Or maybe can jump in with both feet <shudder>. We'll see Hi Sammymomma Glad you joined us. HOpe others will follow.

09-23-2007, 12:52 PM	#11
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	Hi, all! sammymomma! Glad to have you join us. Thanks for the veggie suggestions, 2big. I like my veggies, but always looking for new ways to cook them so maybe DH will like them, too, although I think that's a lost cause. He doesn't set a very good example for DD. Thankfully, she's a veggie eater, too. Weirdest kid I ever saw. She doesn't like much in the way of fruit, but loves veggies. Linda, it does sound like you're not totally hopeless! I'm sure you will find some ways to fix your veggies that you will like. 2big is right about it making a big difference how things are cooked. My MIL cooks fresh asparagus in the microwave with a little lemon pepper on it. Of course, she doesn't use butter (they're the low fat people, ya know), but it's yummy. Much better than the canned stuff. Of course, I would put butter on it! They also cook squash on the grill. Sometimes they brush a little salad dressing on it as it's cooking. That's good, too. Also, different tastes is why I tried to make the veggie list (see the healthy thread) as broad as possible. That way, you can pick the things you like best and maybe try something new occasionally. Controlledcarb had some good suggestions on that (healthy thread again).

09-24-2007, 07:57 AM	#12
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	Good morning, everyone! It's Monday and time to recover from the weekend! I went carb crazy yesterday. DH left on a business trip. Don't know if that had anything to do with it, but he wasn't around for support. You know, on KK I was sooooo determined and now, I can't seem to get that determination back. I sure wish I knew what to do. I think part of the problem is indecision about what plan to follow. Throw in a craving for potato soup (that with salad was lunch yesterday) and the monthly birthday celebration at church with cake and ice cream... well, that was a recipe for disaster! Those weren't the only indiscretions, either! DH wants to do 3-4 days of K/E when he gets home. He doesn't restrict the fats and won't give up his cheese for anything! It's probably more like Atkins '72 induction minus the salads. Maybe I'll join him for that (with salad) and see how it goes. I'm probably not in ketosis anymore and that may be why I'm struggling so much right now. Still a bit We'll see how the week goes!

09-24-2007, 02:49 PM	#13
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Well, I had a pretty carby yesterday myself, eating all kinds of stuff I had no business having. I paid this morning, the scale is 160, so today I started back watching what I'm putting in my mouth. I didn't eat breakfast cause there was nothing left in the house and by the time I got back from the grocery store, I was starving. I made myself a "Fawn shake" and I gotta tell you it was darned good. Fruity tasting and good for me too. I used: 1/4 C. berry flavored aloe vera juice 1 dannon carb control smoothie splash of milk 1 C. romaine 1 C. spinach 1 C. coleslaw mix 1 C. mustard greens 1/4 C. blueberries 2 strawberries Threw it all in the blender and let it go for a couple of minutes to make sure it was all blended. Didn't want any chunks in there. I didn't look very appetizing, but when I drank it, it really tasted good. I think I am going to be adding this to my daily meals. Pretty low calorie and sooo good for you. I know after a few days of this my body will thank me. It's held me til supper time but I'm ready to eat again now.

09-24-2007, 05:05 PM	#14
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	OK, Linda, if you say it's good, then I reckon it is. I'll have to get brave and try it. If I don't like it, I can always give it to my mom! LOL Looks like it would definitely be a good way of getting your veggies in, especially on a day like I've had today with very little in the veggie department. sigh

09-25-2007, 06:54 AM	#15
MollyBrown Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 100 Gallery: MollyBrown Stats: 298/248/162 WOE: IS: ME:	Hi all, this is a great thread, just the one I was looking for. I have been upping my fats, and my carbs a little by eating more allowed veggies. On KK I was eating about 450-600 calories, I am up to around 800-900 now, and trying to increase a little at a time. But I seem to be just maintaining now and no longer losing any weight. :-( At least I am not gaining, as I did when I first went over 600 calories.

09-25-2007, 07:06 AM	#16
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	Molly! Glad to have you join us. It's good to see that you are upping your calories and no longer gaining. Just don't get discouraged. You may need to maintain for awhile before the weight starts to come off again. It's a slow process after being on a VLCD. Just ask Linda! She was on KK for several months and has been working on getting her calories up for a couple of months now. She's maintaining as well, though she has more to lose. I'm sure she will chime in soon.

09-25-2007, 08:10 AM	#17
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Good morning, dear ones Welcome, Molly, so glad you found us and are trying to get your calories up. I do understand having to fight that mindset, as that was one of my big problems. It's almost a panicky feeling when trying to bring up your calories and fat, it goes against everything your mind is telling you. You will make it and have made wonderful progress so far. What I am doing right now is trying to heal my metabolism. I got a book from Curves that talks about it. It says to pick a 5 lb range, for me it's between 155-160 and stay there. It says at first you will be dieting most of the time, but it will be less & less as your body heals and your metabolism gets going again. It says to stay there until you are not dieting so much to stay there, then to take your calories down a little to start losing again. Now, I don't follow it to a T, I eat things I shouldn't eat and way over on calories some days and under some days, but I'm alot healthier than I was and I'm feeling better than I have in a long time and some problems I had on kimkins are pretty much gone for the most part. I could probably force myself to get down to my goal weight now, but I'm not in any hurry, kinda enjoy being at this weight and fitting into clothes. I know I can eat more at this weight than at goal, but I can eat alot more now and not gain, so I'm satisfied for the time being. 155 happens to be my lowest weight and then my body started fighting me and then I found the controversy and so I started trying to find a better way. I do feel like my metabolism is stronger now but still dont' know what plan I will follow. I'm eating alot more fat, more calories and weight has kinda stablized between 155-160 and it doesn't take it long to come off either. I'm so tickled that you are here and will be healing your body. Read the Building thread also, there is alot of good information on there. Be sure to get your EFA's in and if you think you can handle it, try the "Fawn shake". Try it even if you think you can't handle it. It sounds awful but I promise it's good. Welcome Molly, welcome, welcome Everything is gonna be ok now, girl.

09-25-2007, 09:54 AM	#18
Lovin'Life Junior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 16 Gallery: Lovin'Life Stats: 196/166/135 WOE: After Kimkins Start Date: 06/10/07	Hi I posted a previous post and Linda directed me here. Thanks! I'm new here and I will admit my mindset it is still not wanting to change. The recommendation I got concering my diet. Which is here was to up the fat and veggies. I think I can do that. I have never been overly concerned with fat but do want to make sure I up it with good fat any ideas? Also I can't eat broccoli trust me my stomach acts up immediately that was the problem I had when I use to eat South Beach Diet Meals Ok anyway my issue is this. I'm not having any problems, I'm not tired, I feel great. I think this is my reluctance to change. I eat three meals a day, drink lots of water, and have much more energy. Also I will say that I do eat off plan, I have not set a pattern. I was very strict without eating off for about 1 month in which I lost the bulk of my weight. I then did some free days and would go up work it back off and then some and do another free day so overall I was losing 2 lbs or so a week. Then I went on vacation and ate whatever I want. Today I'm back to my lowest I was before vacation at 165.5....So I'm still fighting myself on whether I'm doing something wrong or right? I'm feeling great when I eat this way but I don't want to hurt my health. Can I be anymore CONFUSED!! I've also read threads in here and it just confuses me more. I'm not even sure where to begin. I will tell you I totally agree with the refeed idea I think it is great for your body. My concern is this...I feel great now...but I don't want to ruin my health in the future so I still am not sure what the heck I'm suppose to be doing UGH!! BTW I'm 33 I currently weigh 165.5 I started 6/10/07 at 196...I like the low carb diet because you lose faster. I just don't want to risk my health.

09-25-2007, 10:26 AM	#20
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,166 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/156/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Hi lisa I seem to be following you around, lol, and I really need to get off here. Ya know, lovin'life, I felt really good when I first started kimkins also...my skin looked healthier and I had more energy, etc. But that was only at first. It didn't take long before I started feeling draggy and wasn't as sharp upstairs, didn't have the energy it takes to exercise, but then I'm older than you are. The point is, the body will start to be upset with the way it's being treated and all sorts of things will happen that you won't like. I can't tell you what that will be, but it will be detrimental to your health. I can certainly understand your mind set, I had the same problem, but I didn't even have the energy and other good things anymore to convince me. I'm sure it's hard with all the great things going on to convince yourself it's not healthy. By the time you figure those things out, bad things have already started to happen. We've all gone through or are going through the confusion right now. But we WILL find our way and we WILL learn the right way to lose the excess weight we want to lose. Hang in there, girl.

09-25-2007, 11:35 AM	#22
Kona sunset Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 337 Gallery: Kona sunset Stats: 199/172/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Seems I'm always starting over	Thanks for chiming in, Lisa. Good to have you here. Thanks for your comments, Linda. You were on KK so much longer than I was. I never really got to the point of anything bad happening that I know of. I was feeling better than I had in a long time, but I also was going up and down on my calories without even realizing what I was doing. I'm just glad you "dragged" me out of there when you did! I didn't want to leave, but I am so glad I did.