Why the fascination with Kimmer? #3

[freyamoon]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Well gosh.. You'd think after the PI photos, {and her concern for him}, she might want to check out why she was the subject?

Perhaps Heidi has tried to find out more.. Maybe she did find out more and was going to turn Kimmer in.. Maybe she feels terribly betrayed.... maybe Kimmer tied her to a chair and locked her in a closet.

Let us all send energy to Heidi that she breaks free from her bonds and helps us bring Kimmer to justice.

[misanthr]

Thanks, mrsmenopausal! Love the name.

[TerryC]

I got behind reading all the posts (since Friday) and it has taken me all day to get caught up!!!! You guys really need to slow down so I don't get so far behind. I just want to add my $.02 about TT taking over Kimkins and making it into her plan. First of all though, how can anyone at the KK site believe that Othila is an actual person who had done Atkins for a long time and then it stopped working for her and so she cycled it with KK and lost all her weight. Why has she never posted before to share her tips either here or there? WE all know its Tippy don't we?
As for Tippy's maintenance plan - as far as I know only a handful of people have made that work for them. I think Cutie did (am I right Cutie?) and a couple of others did whose names I can't remember. But they were all very experienced LC dieters. They knew what they were doing. I don't think a lot of the current KK members are. Just a few pages of information and then a lot of newbies posting their experiences is not going to help anyone transition to a healthy cycling plan. I have a feeling that Tippy sees the whole Kimkins site as hers now. And I'm sure that hidey has left it to her as she is plannning her escape. It's been reported that she hasn't been there in days, and maybe she has no plans to go back, who knows. It's unfortunate that Tippy doesn't see what is happening.

[freyamoon]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Well gosh.. You'd think after the PI photos, {and her concern for him}, she might want to check out why she was the subject?

Perhaps Heidi has tried to find out more.. Maybe she did find out more and was going to turn Kimmer in.. Maybe she feels terribly betrayed.... maybe Kimmer tied her to a chair and locked her in a closet.

Let us all send energy to Heidi that she breaks free from her bonds and helps us bring Kimmer to justice.

Another thought. Maybe Heidi can no longer come forward at all. Maybe Kimmer has spent all these past few years berating her and belittling her. telling her she is weak because she is fat. Maybe Heidi has become so weak she no longer exists at all. Maybe there is only Kimmer now. Or maybe Heidi is only allowed out to do the mundane things in life.. like pick up checks at the bank..

But maybe... when Kimmer/Heidi is sitting in front of the computer.. she believes she is Kimmer .. the svelte, strong woman who is everything Heidi wants to be. Kimmer, the woman who can take on the world, where emotions have no place. Leaving Heidi sitting in the darkenss.. crying, but no longer heard.

And maybe that is why she lived and breathed on these forums for so long. Maybe this was the only place where Kimmer was truly real. Maybe in the beginning, she was more Heidi than Kimmer. The niceness you saw from her on these forums, was Heidi.. the belitting was Kimmer.. So maybe there is a death attributed to Kimkins, that of Heidi Diaz.

But I don't want to start thinking that way, because it is sad and makes me want to cry.

So I think about how she has taken that fantasy life and used it to further validate herself by fleecing so many people.
So my eyes stay dry and there is no room for sympathy.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by shelby7851

I have been reading this thread, #1 and #2 from the beginning. I try to look at things fairly, there have been things on this side of the 'good guys' that haven't been fair in my opinion, and I speak up when I feel that way. I haven't posted on this thread yet, because it is mostly filled up with filler that is way off-topic. I dont feel sorry for people making fun of kimmer, I feel sorry for the people that come here looking for the truth and answers and find a thread full of cartoons and jokes, and not giving much advice about what to do with their life and metabolism, or how to find out more information.

It has been very difficult and (in my opinion) annoying trying to wade through all of it to find the posts that have any meaning at all.

Just my $.02. Feel free to carry on as you wish.

In fact, Shelby, there ARE other forums on Low Carb Friends, and THIS one is not representative of them. This is the Fascination with Kimmer Thread, and has turned into a major Vent thread. If you attend the Main Lobby, or even Other Plans, you'll see the mainly helpful advice that you are seeking. Sorry you took a wrong turn and ended up here - that can really shock the sox off anyone searching for help.

[Mommy2Many]

Originally Posted by MollyBrown

I don't know for sure but I suspect it could be some kind of intellectual property-type situation. For instance, if you work for some companies and come up with a great idea while you are there and present it to the company, then leave, your idea stays behind with the company where you hatched it. It is their intellectual property.

So unfortunately it may be possible that the former Admins' testimonials are products of their time at Kimkins and may be used however Kimkins desires.

On the other hand, even if it is illegal, Her Royal Heidi has been known to skirt the law -- as we all know.

As we all know, though, no one really works for Heidi - they are all volunteers or independent contractors. Christin may have been the first real employee for about a week... it seems to me that the odds are very good that Kimmer does not have a model release for them, simply because she may not know what one is, or is used for - and even MRs often have 'escape clauses' for the models to prevent their likenesses to be used to perpetrate a fraud..

Or maybe I just had a good lawyer look mine over.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by misanthr

Thanks, mrsmenopausal! Love the name.

Thanks. It strikes fear into the hearts of some that live with me.

[Lori42]

Originally Posted by sammymomma

Hello,
My comment was "well said"

Not that I diasagree

For me, it's not so much 'giving in' but seeing the bigger picture and (in this case) coming to a different conclusion.

Since you do agree, what made you change your mind?

Lori

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by freyamoon

So I think about how she has taken that fantasy life and used it to further validate herself by fleecing so many people.
So my eyes stay dry and there is no room for sympathy.[/b]

That right there is definitely how I feel!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by sammymomma

Would it really make everyones day??? If I gave in? Yu really care about people you do not know, that much????

Sure we do. But remember, convince a gal against her will, and she's of the same opinion still. It has to be you that convinces you, Sammymomma. If you can't honestly give in, just keep reading until you are comfortable with the real situation, whatever it proves to be. There are other places, other forums on this site where you may feel less threatened and can ask for help.

[jlshields]

Originally Posted by misanthr

Long-time lurker here. I've been following the Kimkins drama from the beginning. And I did Kimkins this summer...Talk about screwing up your entire way of thinking about weightloss - nevermind screwing with your health and metabolism! Skammers "advice" HAUNTS you looooooong after you stop the diet and that's so damaging to your psyche. Nevermind the lies, half-truths, no-truths, etc. Heidi Diaz is a lying, scheming, psychopathic charlatan who needs to be stopped.

During my attempt at Kimkins this summer (and by the way, to those I cheered on or gave advice to, albeit very few, I am very, very sorry) I would look at Heidi's "after" photo, and was reminded of my big sister. We're in our mid-late thirties now, but Skammer's "after" photo resembles my sis very much. It hits home because as a teenager, I idolized my beautiful, smart, popular size 6 sister (no vanity sizing back in the mid-80's) and failed miserably at my attempts to look and act like her. I was never fat in high school, but at a size 11 juniors, I thought I was. It wasn't until college that I gained weight. Lost it, only to gain it, and another 60 lbs when I was pregnant. I'm back to a size 6-8 (thanks vanity sizing) but still see myself as the fat girl competing with my sister. Kimkins only exacerbated this. I ultimately take responsibility for my own actions and choices, but Heidi preyed on that vulnerable, weak part of many of us for personal gains - both financially, and to feed her ego.

Anyway, to all the hardworking ducky sleuths, esp. Jeanessa (and Missis36 for the LAUGHS!!!!), I want to thank you for your efforts in stopping Heidi.

And one last thing. There IS such a thing as starvation mode. You DO need to exercise to lose weight and maintain that loss. And taking laxatives or epsom salt along with eating 400 calories per day is NOT a healthy way to lose weight.

QUACK

[Lori42]

[quote

Another thought. Maybe Heidi can no longer come forward at all. Maybe Kimmer has spent all these past few years berating her and belittling her. telling her she is weak because she is fat. Maybe Heidi has become so weak she no longer exists at all. Maybe there is only Kimmer now. Or maybe Heidi is only allowed out to do the mundane things in life.. like pick up checks at the bank..

But maybe... when Kimmer/Heidi is sitting in front of the computer.. she believes she is Kimmer .. the svelte, strong woman who is everything Heidi wants to be. Kimmer, the woman who can take on the world, where emotions have no place. Leaving Heidi sitting in the darkenss.. crying, but no longer heard.

And maybe that is why she lived and breathed on these forums for so long. Maybe this was the only place where Kimmer was truly real. Maybe in the beginning, she was more Heidi than Kimmer. The niceness you saw from her on these forums, was Heidi.. the belitting was Kimmer.. So maybe there is a death attributed to Kimkins, that of Heidi Diaz.

But I don't want to start thinking that way, because it is sad and makes me want to cry.

So I think about how she has taken that fantasy life and used it to further validate herself by fleecing so many people.
So my eyes stay dry and there is no room for sympathy.[/quote]

I've been here a looong time and this seems very possible.

Lori

[little_miss]

I know there are some good detectives in the group of all you here, so I was wondering if anyone ever found out who the girl in the red dress was. Obviously it isn't kimmer and the only way anyone would have enough balls to post a picture of a woman that is going to be seen by hundreds of people let alone thousands thanks to the ww mag story, I would either think she would have to be deceased or living in a very very far away country. Mail order bride maybe? I mean if you saw your picture on a website claiming to be someones "after" i'm sure you would come forward?? Am I wrong?

[stardust1]

Originally Posted by SMP

In fact, Shelby, there ARE other forums on Low Carb Friends, and THIS one is not representative of them. This is the Fascination with Kimmer Thread, and has turned into a major Vent thread. If you attend the Main Lobby, or even Other Plans, you'll see the mainly helpful advice that you are seeking. Sorry you took a wrong turn and ended up here - that can really shock the sox off anyone searching for help.

You are definately right about the venting part. I signed up for Kimkins before I knew about all the drama behind Kimmer. So I started with the diet, I lost weight, but I was a little bit confused. I thought I would learn more about Kimmer, how she lost the weight, how she kept it off, maybe some recent pics - but nothing. I got most of my information from Kimkins members, and the e-book?????? Well done Kimmer. Great job. Where's the rest?
I spent 60 bucks for absolutely nothing. Plus I felt horrible about myself when I started reading Fitday entries for other members. 1/2 a can of tuna and coffee in the morning? I was miserable and felt guilty instantly looking at my
own intake. I was destined to be fat forever - I ate 1000 calories????

I am here for two reasons: The first and most important reason is to get off the couch and to get back in shape, this time with a healthier LC version - Atkins. Reason number two is to tell the truth about Mrs. Kimmer and to prevent people from giving her more money. If she can play games, so can I, that's why I'm still active on Kimkins. I think she is gone..... maybe in Mexico eating Burritos. Sorry, I need to vent somewhere and I can't do that on her website. Pssssst - who's the mole Kimmer?

Really s.n.a.t.t. because of Hidey Kimkins Miller Diaz Kimmer Drake

[Elloise]

Last night I rented 'White Oleander' with Michelle Pfeiffer and Robin Wright Penn and a few others. It's about a teenager suddenly stuck in the horrors of the Los Angeles foster care system. It does make you wonder what kind of nut cases some of these kids end up in.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by little_miss

As I keep thinking about this in my mind, I wonder to myself..how is it possible to give diet advice for 7 years (I think she has been a member here since 2000?) all the while not using any of it for herself? I do believe heidi and kimmer are the same person because one or the other would of made an appearance after those very unflattering surveillance pictures surfaced to make a statement about it not being them. Doing kimkins is the only thing that has actually worked in terms of weight loss for me tho, so it seems if the diet actually works, why wouldn't she use it for herself? I mean she gave free advice for FOREVER, help, support, and it was all just to hear herself talk? or type rather?

There's so much that I'll have to condense it: Pretty well most diets will work, at least short term. That's why there are Kimkins successes who lost 10 pounds w/o losing their health. Heidi got to feeling important, but as Weight Loss surgery produced no lasting benefit for her, even if she had done 500 calorie diets in the beginning, she invented a complete charade in order to keep her adoring fans. (The profit factor entered in only later.) However, the diet as she laid it out is so nutritionally bankrupt that many called her on it, only to be met with a barrage of nastiness that eventually had entire threads removed. It turns out Heidi has 3 major physical problems working against her losing weight - she is mentally ill (nobody mentioned anti-psychotic meds, but they are known to put weight on), has trashed her thyroid, and is alcoholic. And she hates to exercise.For someone whose self-image is the pits, the heady glory of being in fantasy what she couldn't be in real life was too heady to give up. And the prospect of adding many dollars to the fantasy appealed to the con artist in her, since that seems to be who she is. Heidi/Kimmer evolved, but only downwards. That's why she didn't/hadn't/can't lose weight.

[little_miss]

Originally Posted by SMP

There's so much that I'll have to condense it: Pretty well most diets will work, at least short term. That's why there are Kimkins successes who lost 10 pounds w/o losing their health. Heidi got to feeling important, but as Weight Loss surgery produced no lasting benefit for her, even if she had done 500 calorie diets in the beginning, she invented a complete charade in order to keep her adoring fans. (The profit factor entered in only later.) However, the diet as she laid it out is so nutritionally bankrupt that many called her on it, only to be met with a barrage of nastiness that eventually had entire threads removed. It turns out Heidi has 3 major physical problems working against her losing weight - she is mentally ill (nobody mentioned anti-psychotic meds, but they are known to put weight on), has trashed her thyroid, and is alcoholic. And she hates to exercise.For someone whose self-image is the pits, the heady glory of being in fantasy what she couldn't be in real life was too heady to give up. And the prospect of adding many dollars to the fantasy appealed to the con artist in her, since that seems to be who she is. Heidi/Kimmer evolved, but only downwards. That's why she didn't/hadn't/can't lose weight.

Very nicely put!!! I would think that, mentally ill or not, still being able to go out into the world and seeing others function, she would want a life outside of lies and computers, making people think she is something she isnt, because alotho it is nice in the beginning, im sure it makes you feel even worse when you wake up in the morning and are still just a fat bald nothing to society.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

OMG - this is funny enough to bring me out of lurkumdom.

I just found a duck to put up on my aviatar..

"United we stand"

[SMP]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Do you accept Paypal Molly? Wow - you've done great! I'm sooooo excited about starting as soon as possible!

Cheryl, you'd dry up and blow away since you DON'T have 198 lbs to lose! Oh wait, can you hold out for 2 minutes?? (At $2.00 a lb, Mollykins is about the same as hamburger.)

[Violet Skye]

Actually, I lost 175 pounds at the end of February in the course of an evening and have kept them off. Send $60.00 c/o Vi-kins Skye-kins at Paypal, and you'll receive a pithy paragraph called "Dump That Dude!" And a cheesy MP3 of the song, "Lady In Red". (Illegally downloaded, of course!)

Would it really make everyones day??? If I gave in? Yu really care about people you do not know, that much????

Lisa, it's not about us getting to say "I told you so" - it's about making sure that you preserve your health, and so does everyone else on this board. I am sure you were moved two years ago when you saw the pics of Katrina's devastation, even though you may not have actually known anyone personally who was affected. So, yeah, it's perfectly natural to care that much about people we've never met. I'm not expecting you to make a public announcement that you've changed your mind, or anything that would put you in an uncomfortable position. As much as your stubborn stance has frustrated me (I am also stubborn, so I know this one well), I also have to say admire the way you stick to your opinions and don't change them when the wind blows in a different direction. When you change your mind (assuming you do) about Kimmer, it will be after research and reflection. So, if/whenever you're ready, there's a seat reserved for you on the Duck Side. You'll be among friends.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by little_miss

Very nicely put!!! I would think that, mentally ill or not, still being able to go out into the world and seeing others function, she would want a life outside of lies and computers, making people think she is something she isnt, because alotho it is nice in the beginning, im sure it makes you feel even worse when you wake up in the morning and are still just a fat bald nothing to society.

Make that a fat bald MILLIONAIRE nothing. Perhaps her mental illness is of the kind that she wants little to do with the outside world and people in general. It's fairly obvious she doesn't like people, not even those who slavishly hang on every word and compliment her effusively. Baldness you can get used to. And on the computer, she becomes thin, attractive, and many people. Plus now she can date Captain Morgan all she wants!

[misanthr]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Thanks. It strikes fear into the hearts of some that live with me.

Maybe it will strike fear in Heidi...

[misanthr]

Originally Posted by jlshields

Thank you for the welcome!