Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by boogie

That's the first person that popped into my head. Of course Jacklyn Smith couldn't play Heidi. She would have to play the imaginary Kimmer. I am picturing Heidi sitting at her computer with one of those thinking bubbles above her head with Jacklyn Smith inside it. I know somebody here can make me a visual

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

vLCD diets can impair thyroid function and unlike menstrual cycle disruptions has the potential to become a permanent condition.

I see.
another Q?
Is it known that very low fat diets do any damage? I am asking this because some people have tried to convince me that doing 'kimkins' w/o the very low calories is a 'healthy' way to lose weight. I have even seen it stated to not blame kimkins diet for thyroid malfunction.

and since i DO have thyroid malfunction, I was just wondering.


TY

[marnaewilson]

And people on the Crack Diet could say, "I don't care if it has bad side effects for some people. It's working for me, and that's all I care about."

[SMP]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

vLCD diets can impair thyroid function and unlike menstrual cycle disruptions has the potential to become a permanent condition.

Like Oprah, who just admitted she "blew out her thyroid at the end of last season" . She blamed it on stress. Could her many diet attempts, including her infamous vLCD liquid diet, bear most of the blame?

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by dlslds

I see.
another Q?
Is it known that very low fat diets do any damage?

I think there is sufficient data out there to suggest that very low-fat diets indeed are problematic....are they the "cause" of health problems or is it a casual relationship due to something else, like inadequate nutrients in the foods eaten in a diet that is very low in fat?

From what I've read, I think "context of diet" matters a lot....from studies back in the late 40's and 50's where the Japanese diet was analyzed, it was found to be very low in fat, but contextually, it was calorie adequate, rich with omega-3 from fish and nutrients from whole foods; compare that type of diet to our "western" idea of a low-fat diet and it's a completely different animal....make a diet vLCD and it too is a completely different monster.

I am asking this because some people have tried to convince me that doing 'kimkins' w/o the very low calories is a 'healthy' way to lose weight. I have even seen it stated to not blame kimkins diet for thyroid malfunction.

I've evaluated each of the plans as written; as written it is impossible to meet essential nutrient requirements - so they're all, as written, nutritionally bankrupt nightmares. So, yes, they could impair thyroid function and yes, if one has existing thyroid problems, could exacerbate the situation...IMO.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

And people on the Crack Diet could say, "I don't care if it has bad side effects for some people. It's working for me, and that's all I care about."

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by SMP

Like Oprah, who just admitted she "blew out her thyroid at the end of last season" . She blamed it on stress. Could her many diet attempts, including her infamous vLCD liquid diet, bear most of the blame?

Without knowing everything in her medical history, it's hard to say exactly what would have contributed to her thyroid problems now.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I think there is sufficient data out there to suggest that very low-fat diets indeed are problematic....are they the "cause" of health problems or is it a casual relationship due to something else, like inadequate nutrients in the foods eaten in a diet that is very low in fat?

From what I've read, I think "context of diet" matters a lot....from studies back in the late 40's and 50's where the Japanese diet was analyzed, it was found to be very low in fat, but contextually, it was calorie adequate, rich with omega-3 from fish and nutrients from whole foods; compare that type of diet to our "western" idea of a low-fat diet and it's a completely different animal....make a diet vLCD and it too is a completely different monster.



I've evaluated each of the plans as written; as written it is impossible to meet essential nutrient requirements - so they're all, as written, nutritionally bankrupt nightmares. So, yes, they could impair thyroid function and yes, if one has existing thyroid problems, could exacerbate the situation...IMO.

Bingo!!!!

I knew it!!!! and I had a gut feeling that what was being told to me was pure ummm shinola!

ty controledcarb! i really appreciate seeing that in writing for all to see.

[KarenG]

From the vomit worthy post to Kimmer....

You gave us the tools to not only succeed safely, but the true belief that when we work diligently and follow the plan and take our multi-vitamins, change our sedentary way of life, drink lots of water and check with our doctor before starting any plan that our lives can and will be better.

This is funny (bolded part) because one of Kimmer's big selling points is NO EXERCISE NEEDED!!! Is she changing her tune on that also???

Originally Posted by HBGal

I think Heidi says that to mean that know one knows who Kimmer is because Kimmer is fictional and doesn't exist to anyone except her own mind.

I believe this is the case also.

Has anyone asked Tyna whether Heidi had lost weight during the last 10 years, or if she has WLS? I would be interested to know whether she gained weight back, or never lost it at all.

[SkeeterN]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

That's the first person that popped into my head. Of course Jacklyn Smith couldn't play Heidi. She would have to play the imaginary Kimmer. I am picturing Heidi sitting at her computer with one of those thinking bubbles above her head with Jacklyn Smith inside it. I know somebody here can make me a visual

That could be like a Shallow Hal kinda thing.

[Peony]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

Atkins took the diet he read about in JAMA, from a study that showed beneficial results in the subjects, and tried it himself....it worked....so his basis was from a peer of his time, not earlier in the century. But, data is also out there from the late 19th century and throughout the 20th that he did read and include in his justification for the dietary approach.

Actually when I was in college in the 60's we followed a diet called the Royal Canadian Air Force Diet. It was almost identical to Atkins.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by KarenG

Has anyone asked Tyna whether Heidi had lost weight during the last 10 years, or if she has WLS? I would be interested to know whether she gained weight back, or never lost it at all.

I think Tyna said that since she's known her, she's been heavy. The last 6 years or so? I don't want to go searching for the post but I'm pretty sure that's what she said.

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by Peony

Actually when I was in college in the 60's we followed a diet called the Royal Canadian Air Force Diet. It was almost identical to Atkins.

I'm sure you did - back then the data supporting lc diets was known and used for recommendations by many doctors....then summarily dismissed when the whole idea that dietary fat kills took hold in the popular thinking. It's kinda sad if you ask me that decades of data was simply dismissed because of a new theory.

[IdealMuse]

The thing that bugs me about the people who keep saying "yeah, but it works" is that yes we know it works... but that's never been in question has it? Those crazy diet-shake diets work well too but seriously HOW many people do you know who have lost weight through liquid diets and have been able to keep it all off long term? Yes, Im sure you can give me one or two examples but almost no-one does!

So they are willing to risk not only their health and those of friends they encourage, because "Hey it worked for me it must be good" ignoring the fact that in all likelyhood if they are lucky enough to not damage thyroid or gallbladder... they likely will not be able to keep the weight off because. IT IS A CRASH DIET. What is the good of losing weight getting that glimmer of hope if it sets up up for long-term failure? You may be the one of three people who don't gain back your weight, but is that really worth promoting and risking the health of your friends you encourage to join with you?

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I'm sure you did - back then the data supporting lc diets was known and used for recommendations by many doctors....then summarily dismissed when the whole idea that dietary fat kills took hold in the popular thinking. It's kinda sad if you ask me that decades of data was simply dismissed because of a new theory.

I've been reading an interesting book titled "Living the Low Carb Life" by Jonny Bowden, MA, CNS

It starts off with the whole history of LowCarb from 1864 forward. It also goes into the research from the past century that was done regarding LowCarb and No/little Fat, the research all showed it sickens a person. Good read so far and I'm not that far into the book.

[Leashy]

Originally Posted by KarenG

Has anyone asked Tyna whether Heidi had lost weight during the last 10 years, or if she has WLS? I would be interested to know whether she gained weight back, or never lost it at all.

I asked her... waiting for response.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by Peony

Actually when I was in college in the 60's we followed a diet called the Royal Canadian Air Force Diet. It was almost identical to Atkins.

you were in college in the 60's????? dang girl dont you ever age???

[wifezilla]

Is it known that very low fat diets do any damage?

HECK YEAH!

One thing that can happen is that too little fat doesn't allow your bile ducts to empty properly. Then later, if you start eating fat again, your ducts, that are now clogged, can't empty. You suffer a very painful gall bladder attack. You end up in the hospital, and then you have to have it removed.

Another thing is what is called "Rabbit Starvation".

"Rabbit starvation is the form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of rabbit meat (and possibly other lean meats) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, lassitude, a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be satisfied by consumption of fat or carbohydrates.

[edit] Possible mechanisms

* Lack of fats in the diet.
* Rabbit being comparatively low in some amino acids that human beings cannot synthesize themselves.
* Lean meat, being mostly protein, must be broken down into amino acids and then converted into glucose (via gluconeogenesis) in order to be used as an energy source. This process takes time, and can not be done quickly enough to meet the energy requirements of an active person. After the body's energy reserves (fat) are depleted, the energy requirements to sustain basic life processes are not met.
* The ammonia released during the process of converting amino acids into glucose can not be cleared by conversion to urea quickly enough. The buildup of ammonia is poisonous."
Rabbit starvation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by jenna...

I've been reading an interesting book titled "Living the Low Carb Life" by Jonny Bowden, MA, CNS

It starts off with the whole history of LowCarb from 1864 forward. It also goes into the research from the past century that was done regarding LowCarb and No/little Fat, the research all showed it sickens a person. Good read so far and I'm not that far into the book.

GRIN!

If you want to read a book with probably close to all the studies since 1900, order Gary Taubes book - I've read an advance copy and it's mind-blowing!

[jenna...]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

GRIN!

If you want to read a book with probably close to all the studies since 1900, order Gary Taubes book - I've read an advance copy and it's mind-blowing!

I ordered it last month and I JUST CAN'T WAIT!

[Doodle_in_MA]

Kimmer hasn't posted at all today. Think she is packing...or driving?

[Brutie]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

GRIN!

If you want to read a book with probably close to all the studies since 1900, order Gary Taubes book - I've read an advance copy and it's mind-blowing!

The Diet Delusion, is that the name of it?

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

So far as liberation of estrogen into the system with fat loss, yes that can also lead to menstrual cycle irregularities, often the opposite of amenorrhea....often it's closer cycles, heavier cycles and cycles that last much longer than previously.....and that resolves itself with time.

This is EXACTLY what happened to me.

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by dlslds

Is it known that very low fat diets do any damage? I am asking this because some people have tried to convince me that doing 'kimkins' w/o the very low calories is a 'healthy' way to lose weight. I have even seen it stated to not blame kimkins diet for thyroid malfunction.

You might want to take a look at these links.

Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Brutie

The Diet Delusion, is that the name of it?

From reading Jimmy Moore's interview with Gary Taubes, The Diet Delusion is the title the UK publishers are using, and the US publishers are using Good Calories, Bad Calories.