Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[seen]

totally agree with anipomoni

[AllieCat0817]

Missis36, yesterday you said you had some info to share today? I didn't catch it! WHAT WAS IT???

[mama MIA]

Doodle, be wise, we need you on the inside. Your reporting is too funny!

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I've heard that many people can log in and post under one user name/password in many different forums at once. If anyone is going to post a Bye Bye Kimkins post....why not gather a few friends, copy the post and spread it across the site.
I'm so bad.

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[missis36]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

What these admins SHOULD be doing, before banning themselves is: first ban ALL the other admins, and THEN paste their goodbye and anti-kk links all over the kk site. That should buy them some time.

You are a FREAKING genius! That's brilliant!!! Yes someone do this...quick. I would die laughing if this happened.

[Divabunny]

Originally Posted by KarenG

Not to be dramatic but.....

the first Kimkins death?

If this girl was doing a diet as nutritionally bankrupt as Kimkins while pregnant and is not told by the founder of the diet to stop and then miscarries....
Does Kimmer support members who are pregnant and on her plan?? WTH????

When I was on atkins and became pregnant the first thing I did was find out how to do it while pregnant. I also consulted my doctor and was told to do the maintenance phase of atkins and I'd be fine. If she went to kimmer searching for answers and was told to continue then yes I think kimmer has some responsibility in how that played out.

Do we know if the girl went to her doctor? if not why?

[Stevie]

It's amazing that after I mentioned her keeping the stickys that she took them off....

Also, I just got a response to my request for a refund as follows:

Hello,

I'm sorry but the Kimkins lifetime membership program is electronic
media and non-refundable.

You've had access to the Kimkins program including the diet, diet
variations, food lists, grocery lists, weight loss resource links, recipe
files, community support forums and certified athletic trainer for many
months.

Your posting privileges have been restricted due to member complaints.
You still have access to the website, diet, food lists, grocery lists
and other program materials.

Best regards,


Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: PLR-730292
Department: Refunds
Priority: Urgent
Status: Open


Needless to say, I've kept this email.....

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Doodle, be wise, we need you on the inside. Your reporting is too funny!

...........................................
I've heard that many people can log in and post under one user name/password in many different forums at once. If anyone is going to post a Bye Bye Kimkins post....why not gather a few friends, copy the post and spread it across the site.
I'm so bad.

This is fun. I feel like I am on CSI or Law and Order. That sydneynelson posted her goodbye really fast all over the place. It's all gone now

[Nady]

Originally Posted by KarenG

Not to be dramatic but.....

the first Kimkins death?

If this girl was doing a diet as nutritionally bankrupt as Kimkins while pregnant and is not told by the founder of the diet to stop and then miscarries....
Does Kimmer support members who are pregnant and on her plan?? WTH????

You know, there is a biological reason why women's reproductive systems tend to shut down when in a time of famine~ or VLCD for that matter. A malnourished body cannot support a pregnancy~ to continue could harm the growing baby as well as endanger the life of the mother.

Nature does have some built in safeguards I guess~ but it's still so sad. Especially if she thinks it's just a fluke and not connected to her WOE. I sure hope she doesn't try to get PG again~
~~~N

[Dallas]

They just emptied my very polite goodbye post. No explanation or PM. I don't think I'm banned, but I haven't logged out and tried to get back in.

I nominate Melt as the new admin. She's certainly got the (nasty, snarky) attitude for it.

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by Dallas

They just emptied my very polite goodbye post. No explanation or PM. I don't think I'm banned, but I haven't logged out and tried to get back in.

I nominate Melt as the new admin. She's certainly got the (nasty, snarky) attitude for it.

Oh... I second THAT nomination!

[CarolinaRocker]

Im logged on here twice....so yeah I cant be wasting time jumping back and forth and losing my place

[jayed]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

What these admins SHOULD be doing, before banning themselves is: first ban ALL the other admins, and THEN paste their goodbye and anti-kk links all over the kk site. That should buy them some time.

This is sheer brilliance!



I hope someone does this. Please!

[auntiem59]

Re:I'm Gone Too! 1 Minute ago
Here's what a friend of our family said (He's a cardiologist at Harborview..one of the top hospitals!) after I showed him the diet when he and his wife came over for dinner:

After shaking his head after reading the diets and then seeing Heidi's (Kimmer's) photo:

" Is there anything in the small print that says which lifetime? Hers or yours? If it's hers then you should get a refund because at her weight and the stress of continuing this scam and that she probably has several health problems (ie: cholesterol, diabetes,etc) she'll most likely be dead in the next year or so."

When asked if he would ever recommend this diet to anyone or under what circumstances he would:

"He would not but that's not to say another wouldn't given the patients extenuating circumstances." When asked to expound on these circumstances he was very blunt, " when the patient is so obese (say over 250-300lbs and under a certain height with family history or current history of heart disease, diabetes, at risk for stroke) and they are currently eating their way to their death, but that the doctor would never, never allow the carbs to be so low to reduce the amount of nutrients and fiber and that staying in ketosis for more than 2weeks on/2 weeks off is asking for kidney/liver failure in the future. It would have to be supervised 24/7 with the patients undergoing ongoing tests to check blood counts/liver and kidney (heart) function and even then he said he would never, ever recommend a diet that was created by an obese woman with no medical/nutritional background."

If you want to see someone who does low carb (atkins) and actually lost weight and proves it constantly...check out SugarFreeSheila.com / SFS.com - Your ULTIMATE Resource For Atkins / Low Carb Help & Information!. Now she has before/after photos!!!! For those of you planning on the cruise...you should probably get your money back now. The cruise line is not going to change their entire menu to a bogus diet. The average weight gain is 10lbs on a cruise. (Yes I know this because I spent 18years as a travel consultant and this was the average that most people gained. I went on several and even though I can't eat most foods due to allergies and rarely drink..I still gained 5). Plus...why would Kimmer say that she is not going because she fears for her safety and stalkers. Who is going to stalk her? Jenny Craig? I think it's just another excuse to hide what she really is..a fraud!.

For those of you who get your egg whites all rattled by this..remember: it is you who is working your butt off to lose weight. She is not you. You are the one who gets up in the morning and makes the choice...to eat healthy or not to eat healthy. To exercise or not exercise. It is you who can lose weight. Just don't fall prey to her gimmicks and do it by getting anorexia, heart murmers, kidney or liver failure, hair loss, vision problems. (can you imagine driving your children and you get dizzy and your vision blurs. Is Kimmer going to be there in the aftermath of the car accident? How would you feel if your child were fatally injured or your spouse or a mother with her children because you were told to live on 400 calories a day and your brain decided to shut down for a few seconds on the interstate?) What about your kidneys shutting down and you lose your hair. Someone said " I'll be bald but I'll be thin". Wow. Tell my Mother who lost all her hair due to chemotherapy when she had breast cancer how proud you are to be bald and all you had to do is follow Kimmer's anorexic diet. I'll bet she would be very proud of you. Or tell that to the nurses when your bald head is sticking out of a dialysis machine because your kidneys shut down.

The people who call me names or say I'm a hater...read 200 plus of my posts. Never one thing. But I just decided a while ago to :

Stop, Look and Listen. (What I also noticed was that the people hailing Kimmer as a saint are more than likely the ones who know that there is somehting not right, but the instant gratification of weight loss has warped their sense of right from wrong. When their bodies stall because their systems have gone into starvation mode and are hoarding all the limited nutrients to try and protect the internal organs, will see the light when the medical problems start. Maybe not right away, but they will.)
Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable


This was just posted over there...interesting.


ETA: Posted by klynnega (User)

[KarenG]

Originally Posted by Nady

You know, there is a biological reason why women's reproductive systems tend to shut down when in a time of famine~ or VLCD for that matter. A malnourished body cannot support a pregnancy~ to continue could harm the growing baby as well as endanger the life of the mother.

Nature does have some built in safeguards I guess~ but it's still so sad. Especially if she thinks it's just a fluke and not connected to her WOE. I sure hope she doesn't try to get PG again~
~~~N

I believe I read that she is trying again....while on Kimkins.

[MidwestMommy]

I forgot to post this yesterday .......

We met with my DH's nutritionist and while we were talking I gave her a copy of Kimkins plan. Her reply was this...When calories drop too low (usually below 1,200 calories), your body’s protection mechanism switches on because the body thinks it is starving. In order to conserve energy, the body goes into Starvation Mode and lowers your metabolism and you will not burn calories as quickly. It causes a slower weight loss rate, or sometimes prohibits any weight loss from occurring. When your caloric intake falls below 1,200 calories a day, it is also extremely difficult to obtain all the nutrients that your body needs for health and survival. Very low calorie intakes can also lead to other health problems such as eating disorders, gout, gallstones, and heart complications.

[Tooter]

From Ducky and The Truth:


RE: mommas3 and jenniferbilling381 bannings

SingingLass wrote:

This is another one of those shady member situations…there is no direct Tos violation or proof of going on the other board, but every single post she has made has been suspicious and snarky/challenging in some wierd way. She only has 9-10 posts last I looked, though she joined a couple months ago…..and her very first post was just a couple days ago asking where she could find the ToS agreement. She then challenged why the kimmerwear was gone, and then post after difficult post on that thread where I answered questions about inappropriate links and behavior, where she was kind of aggressive in her tone and ignored the answers that had been provided ( and for someone who kept saying she felt she could not ask questions or speak her mind, she sure was slamming on the button, lol). I even received PMS from other members with comments about my patience with her and the like ( as well as thank yous for explaining things better for them).
I locked the “nice try” thread, largely because this person, and honeybee to an extent, were continuing to press as if they thought somehow the answers would change, and tensions had risen between a couple of the members …so I did not see any benifit in allowing that to continue.

I forwarded you the PM i received this morning from mommas3 and my response.

Just thought I would run this one by you, if anything she needs a watching I think. No picture, no other posts, no ticker….no challenges or anything. At least Honeybee, though she can be a little challenging, is openly active elsewhere.

Kimmer wrote:

I think I will temporarily ban her “accidentally”. It’s not the posts I’m worried about, it’s the PMs she might be sending. More dissention. Let me know about Honeybee too. I’ve noticed she’s on the edge.

SingingLass wrote:

:: nod nod:: I already am watching honeybee, trying to decide what the situation is there. In some areas she seems fully on board, so I wonder if she just maybe has a naturally challenging tone she uses or something whe she asks things….she tries to write things in almost this wierd legal kind of format, like she is too careful with each word when she does that, if that makes sense.

Sometimes it just is not a black and white case though, thus why i make sure to run these situations by you first before getting trigger happy. I do agree something wierd is going on with momma though, and others were lifting a brow as well.

Kimmer wrote:

I’m naturally suspicious of anyone with a “duck” avatar.

SingingLass wrote:

LMAO! I had not noticed that……BUT now that I think about that, Reesie had changed her avatar picture to a duck as well. I recognized her on LCF and looked up the post she made on that hair thread, and thought it interesting she had taken down her picture….that very well could be why. She by the way, made a stink over there about being banned. So even though she had not posted here in somewhile, she was still logging in enough she discovered it pretty fast. One less mole.

I wish they posted IPs on posts over there, sure would make things easier with them using different screen names between sites.

Kimmer wrote…
I just banned jenniferbilling381 — started with the “i know i’ll be banned but if kimmer wasn’t such a #$%% then the admins come back …”

[lalabella]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

How about a young woman doing the Plan at about 300-600 calories a day having a miscarriage while on the plan???? And an Admin (singinglass) along with a few others just patted her on the hand and said "Oh sorry, well, let's all get back to losing weight".

I'm floored. I'm in tears. Now babies are dying. I can't believe NOT ONE person suggested to this poor girl that she increase her nutrients or calories. And worse yet, she's gonna try to conceive again--on Kimkins.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by SMP

Thanks for posting this - I've never seen it before. She may be all that she says she is, but she doesn't know either old research or the newest research on saturated fats. All she's doing is repeating the party line as a professional whose training was steeped in the low fat mantra. Plus she's equating the dangers of obesity to a fatal condition, for which Kimkins is the emergency intervention. Hogwash! I have no credentials, but I have a bit of research under my belt. She is using proper facts to come to an insupportable conclusion - get fat off as fast as possible, regardless of "temporary" side effects. A trashed thyroid for life is temporary? A heart attack from too low potassium is temporary? Sorry lady, you are the product of a fat-phobic generation. BTW, why are you here or maybe THERE?

Me or the member whose quote I posted?

[CarolinaRocker]

Originally Posted by Tooter

From Ducky and The Truth:


RE: mommas3 and jenniferbilling381 bannings

SingingLass wrote:

This is another one of those shady member situations…there is no direct Tos violation or proof of going on the other board, but every single post she has made has been suspicious and snarky/challenging in some wierd way. She only has 9-10 posts last I looked, though she joined a couple months ago…..and her very first post was just a couple days ago asking where she could find the ToS agreement. She then challenged why the kimmerwear was gone, and then post after difficult post on that thread where I answered questions about inappropriate links and behavior, where she was kind of aggressive in her tone and ignored the answers that had been provided ( and for someone who kept saying she felt she could not ask questions or speak her mind, she sure was slamming on the button, lol). I even received PMS from other members with comments about my patience with her and the like ( as well as thank yous for explaining things better for them).
I locked the “nice try” thread, largely because this person, and honeybee to an extent, were continuing to press as if they thought somehow the answers would change, and tensions had risen between a couple of the members …so I did not see any benifit in allowing that to continue.

I forwarded you the PM i received this morning from mommas3 and my response.

Just thought I would run this one by you, if anything she needs a watching I think. No picture, no other posts, no ticker….no challenges or anything. At least Honeybee, though she can be a little challenging, is openly active elsewhere.

Kimmer wrote:

I think I will temporarily ban her “accidentally”. It’s not the posts I’m worried about, it’s the PMs she might be sending. More dissention. Let me know about Honeybee too. I’ve noticed she’s on the edge.

SingingLass wrote:

:: nod nod:: I already am watching honeybee, trying to decide what the situation is there. In some areas she seems fully on board, so I wonder if she just maybe has a naturally challenging tone she uses or something whe she asks things….she tries to write things in almost this wierd legal kind of format, like she is too careful with each word when she does that, if that makes sense.

Sometimes it just is not a black and white case though, thus why i make sure to run these situations by you first before getting trigger happy. I do agree something wierd is going on with momma though, and others were lifting a brow as well.

Kimmer wrote:

I’m naturally suspicious of anyone with a “duck” avatar.

SingingLass wrote:

LMAO! I had not noticed that……BUT now that I think about that, Reesie had changed her avatar picture to a duck as well. I recognized her on LCF and looked up the post she made on that hair thread, and thought it interesting she had taken down her picture….that very well could be why. She by the way, made a stink over there about being banned. So even though she had not posted here in somewhile, she was still logging in enough she discovered it pretty fast. One less mole.

I wish they posted IPs on posts over there, sure would make things easier with them using different screen names between sites.

Kimmer wrote…
I just banned jenniferbilling381 — started with the “i know i’ll be banned but if kimmer wasn’t such a #$%% then the admins come back …”

paranoia will destroy ya........its soooooooooo comical

accidental banning

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by DivaTai

Wait, there was a known pregnant woman on Kimkins over there and no one told her to stop and eat and feed herself and her unborn child?
And when she miscarried, no one said anything except "how sad, let's get back on track?" I couldn't have read that right.

More info:
She posted that she was pregnant a couple months ago. Several members suggested that she stop Kimkins and eat normally and wished her well. She also posted in her journal that she was quitting.

However, her Fitday journal shows that she was entering low calorie days up until the day after she found out she was pregnant, and then she appears to have stopped entering information into Fitday until the first of Sept. again. As best I can tell, she miscarried on or about Aug. 18.

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by Tooter

From Ducky and The Truth:


RE: mommas3 and jenniferbilling381 bannings

SingingLass wrote:

This is another one of those shady member situations…there is no direct Tos violation or proof of going on....

She will "temporarily ban her "accidentally?" When was this leaked? I thought the admin board was gone?

eta: I really need to get some work done here...but I CAN'T. STOP. READING.