Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[flowerpower]

Originally Posted by JustKim

To FlowerPower

While I did not like having details like that displayed on this thread repeatedly, I do now understand your motives and intentions and I hope you will accept my sincere apology.

I was wrong. I am very sorry.

Thanks Kim. I felt bad you were sucked into that fraud. I felt even worse that I had to be harsh to get you to understand it couldn't be worth it to stand by kimmer. I'm glad you came back to LCF. It's home!

[missis36]

Originally Posted by flowerpower

I wanted to say something like 'why don't you all ignore Tippy'. But, then I had to remind myself that it took the hard work of many to convince Becky, Christin, Deni, and KimATC to finally listen to reason and leave.

So, let's all hope that Tippy realizes the money is not worth the reputation she is gaining associating with a bad weight loss plan and fraudulent founder.

And also that writing a fake review on the bbb website to steer business to the fraud site is disgusting! You are flat out comminting fraud right there in telling people who are hopeful that they to can have your success and all they have to do is sign up to the kk site to be just like you. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself. Sorry. But it's true.

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by mom2zeke

I have also come to this conclusion. I was able to lose a great deal of weight, but to get the last 10-20 pounds off was excruciating. I tried everything (yes even Kimkins on LCF briefly) and I had to be starving, dizzy and tired all the time to get my weight down and it never stayed down. I can maintain and have a life at what is deemed "overweight" by BMI standards. I even went to my doctor in desperation and she told me that I was perfectly healthy and that the weight I wanted to lose was purely cosmetic.

When we're desperate to lose weight we set ourselves up to be victims of scams like Kimkins.

You and I both started low-carb around the same time and reached our goals to maintain since around the same time --- and I think what disturbs me most about Kimkins (aside from the fact none of the plans provides adequate nutrition as written) is that it's an "all or nothing" proposition...the marketing message is set up that if you're not willing to do anything to lose the weight fast-fast-fast, you're just going to remain obese and suffer the health consequences sooner rather than later.

There is no middle ground, there is no healthy weight loss other than at turbo speed, there is no room for distractions like critical essential nutrients - it's a message to take the weight off as fast as possible or else.

It's a message that losing weight by any means matters more than health with the threat to immediate health set-up as a dire situation that must be dealt with by any means....except it completely fails to address long-term health and well-being which is more important than the speed at which one loses weight. And given the number of folks now speaking out about side effects and consequences to their health after following Kimkins, it should give anyone pause before considering using a drastic means to lose weight - yes, you can lose weight fast, but at what cost later?

There are so many examples of folks in this very forum who've lost weight - slow, medium and even quickly - following scientifically valid approaches to carbohydrate restriction....who have kept it off and maintained their weight loss AND HEALTH for years now. Kimmer/Heidi downplays these victories, says they don't count, says the loss was too slow, says she knows better....ummm, she's obese - so what does that tell us about her recommendations?

After years in business, one thing I learned was this - if you want success, you seek out success....ask questions, pick their brains, get to know not only their successes, but learn their mistakes to learn from them and not make them yourself.....losing weight is not an all-or-nothing proposition.....you don't have to lose weight at turbo speed to find health - in fact, you're better off losing weight in a more reasonable way so you LEARN how to eat healthfully for the long-term, mitigate potential deificiency, and come to understand what your body likes you feeding it on a regular basis.

Stepping off the soap-box now!

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by flowerpower

Thanks Kim. I felt bad you were sucked into that fraud. I felt even worse that I had to be harsh to get you to understand it couldn't be worth it to stand by kimmer. I'm glad you came back to LCF. It's home!

[SoHappy]

Originally Posted by missis36

And also that writing a fake review on the bbb website to steer business to the fraud site is disgusting! You are flat out comminting fraud right there in telling people who are hopeful that they to can have your success and all they have to do is sign up to the kk site to be just like you. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself. Sorry. But it's true.

Yes, that was just plain deceitful. She wrote that review in wording that made any reader believe she lost 112 pounds ENTIRELY on the Kimkins Diet. That it is true she lost 112 pounds isn't enough to wipe out the obvious intent to fool readers into thinking it was ALL from doing Kimkins.

A lie is still a lie, even if it is standing next to truth and trying to pass too.

She doesn't seem to be a stupid woman, so she had to have known and intentionally used that wording. And then she has the nerve to come on here and say that breaking down the amounts of weight lost on the various plans she actually did use successfully would be PETTY. Uh, like that would be nitpicking and make her story just too confusing.

For those who vouched for her earlier in this thread and said she was such an upstanding and caring person.....are you still holding to that?

[Tennis4.0]

Originally Posted by missis36

And also that writing a fake review on the bbb website to steer business to the fraud site is disgusting! You are flat out comminting fraud right there in telling people who are hopeful that they to can have your success and all they have to do is sign up to the kk site to be just like you. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself. Sorry. But it's true.

Does anyone know if it is allowed to write a positive review of a company when you are a paid employee? Am I crazy or doesn't this seem to be a conflict of interest? Let alone a blatant lie.......

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

You and I both started low-carb around the same time and reached our goals to maintain since around the same time --- and I think what disturbs me most about Kimkins (aside from the fact none of the plans provides adequate nutrition as written) is that it's an "all or nothing" proposition...the marketing message is set up that if you're not willing to do anything to lose the weight fast-fast-fast, you're just going to remain obese and suffer the health consequences sooner rather than later.

There is no middle ground, there is no healthy weight loss other than at turbo speed, there is no room for distractions like critical essential nutrients - it's a message to take the weight off as fast as possible or else.

It's a message that losing weight by any means matters more than health with the threat to immediate health set-up as a dire situation that must be dealt with by any means....except it completely fails to address long-term health and well-being which is more important than the speed at which one loses weight. And given the number of folks now speaking out about side effects and consequences to their health after following Kimkins, it should give anyone pause before considering using a drastic means to lose weight - yes, you can lose weight fast, but at what cost later?

There are so many examples of folks in this very forum who've lost weight - slow, medium and even quickly - following scientifically valid approaches to carbohydrate restriction....who have kept it off and maintained their weight loss AND HEALTH for years now. Kimmer/Heidi downplays these victories, says they don't count, says the loss was too slow, says she knows better....ummm, she's obese - so what does that tell us about her recommendations?

After years in business, one thing I learned was this - if you want success, you seek out success....ask questions, pick their brains, get to know not only their successes, but learn their mistakes to learn from them and not make them yourself.....losing weight is not an all-or-nothing proposition.....you don't have to lose weight at turbo speed to find health - in fact, you're better off losing weight in a more reasonable way so you LEARN how to eat healthfully for the long-term, mitigate potential deificiency, and come to understand what your body likes you feeding it on a regular basis.

Stepping off the soap-box now!

I LIKE your Soap-box!!!!

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by Fizgig

I've been reading this and the blogs with great interest... What a scuzzball.

One of the trashy celebrity gossip blogs that I love so much (guilty pleasure!) has clearly been an affiliate for months. It's the one that first name dropped Jessica Alba and Paris Hilton as devotees of the diet. I was cutting her some slack because I haven't seen it mentioned in a while, but she just brought up how great it is in a post about Angelina Jolie.

http://theskinnywebsite.com/site/200...low-carb-diet/

I left a comment that I'm sure won't make it through moderation (I was nice, but I just asked her to stop shilling for the fraud.) Maybe if other people leave her comments she'll get the hint... It's a pretty popular blog and I was upset to read all the comments of potential newbies interested in learning more.

Good catch. The comments are being posted.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by SoHappy

Yes, that was just plain deceitful. She wrote that review in wording that made any reader believe she lost 112 pounds ENTIRELY on the Kimkins Diet. That it is true she lost 112 pounds isn't enough to wipe out the obvious intent to fool readers into thinking it was ALL from doing Kimkins.

A lie is still a lie, even if it is standing next to truth and trying to pass too.

She doesn't seem to be a stupid woman, so she had to have known and intentionally used that wording. And then she has the nerve to come on here and say that breaking down the amounts of weight lost on the various plans she actually did use successfully would be PETTY. Uh, like that would be nitpicking and make her story just too confusing.

For those who vouched for her earlier in this thread and said she was such an upstanding and caring person.....are you still holding to that?

Not KIMKINS....KIMKINS.COM, as if to drive more traffic there. The bbb is on Kimkins as a whole not the .com, however she was "Kind" enough to include Kimkins.com as her woe and the way she allegedly lost 112 lbs when we know the truth. That is a lie no matter how you look at it. Even if she lost 25lbs on kimkins it wasn't kimkins.com that did it now was it?

And I'll go get the tos from the bbb site but yes in fact it is a violation but what does it matter anymore? No one is going to make her take it down. Now it's up to her to live with herself for what she is doing. And I'd hate to be in her shoes, as I'd never get any sleep.

eta: Here are the guidelines for reviewing on the bbb site....see anything wrong here?

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[sammymomma]

I think everyone is getting a little too hype

[HBGal]

It looks like Tippy is no better than Heidi at this point. So sad ...

[missis36]

Yup HB and here is her review:

This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to Kimkins.com I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific!

I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories--ever.

I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them.

Can you see the problem here?

ETA: I just took the liberty of letting the bbb know of this infraction as well as linking them to her post here where she admits she didn't lose all the weight via THAT SITE.

[ImCuterThinner]

Originally Posted by HBGal

It looks like Tippy is no better than Heidi at this point. So sad ...

The love of money is the root of all evil- The Apostle Paul

[Tennis4.0]

Thanks, Missi. Tippy, why should anyone have any faith in what you do or say when you so blatantly broke the rules of the BBB? And before anyone tells me to leave poor Tippy alone, she is a paid employee of Kimkins and therefore a voice for the Kimkins website here on LCF's.

[CarolinaRocker]

I can see it...

"I've tried other plans and they did not work" Lie.

sound like an advertisement to me.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by mum22

Thanks, Missi. Tippy, why should anyone have any faith in what you do or say when you so blatantly broke the rules of the BBB? And before anyone tells me to leave poor Tippy alone, she is a paid employee of Kimkins and therefore a voice for the Kimkins website here on LCF's.

No problem, and I fully agree. Heidi won't debate me publicly so I can only talk to tippy about this. And it seems she is done talking about it as well. But the problem is WE are not done. We will continue to make sure everyone knows the type of people who push this type of diet!

[SoHappy]

Tippy said this on the BBB site:
This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to Kimkins.com I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific!

I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories--ever.

I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them."



Yeah....Certainly looks like she was doing her darndest to drum up business for that website!!!!! Guess it was really, really necessary to add the ".com" web address too!!!!!

[CarolinaRocker]

and never told to lower calories???

A reader stumbling by would think to themselves "hmmmm this Kimkins diet is all about low calories, low carb, low fat....so how in the world did this person lose 112 pounds if she didn't lower calories?"

Hmmmmmmmmm.

It just keep getting better

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by ImCuterThinner

The love of money is the root of all evil- The Apostle Paul

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

[jlshields]

This may be old news, but someone posted Anani's great letter on kimkins this morning

[CarolinaRocker]

Originally Posted by jlshields

This may be old news, but someone posted Anani's great letter on kimkins this morning

[KajunDC]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

An eating disorder is not caused from Kimkins. I suggest you google eating disorders for the truth.

Of course it is for many people. When you encourage people to starve themselves to get weight off and tell them they should feel nauseated all the time (a sin that something is worng), when you encourage long-term laxative use, when you encourage reducing calories even further with a stall or leap back on an extreme because you gain a few lbs on a cruise - then yes that leads to a distorted view of eating and health and an eating disorder.

Does starving yourself work to lose weight? Sure. But the question is, is that way of eating HEALTHY and is it maintainable? And that answer is a resounding NO!

Tippy, you are NOT in maintenence. People in maintenence do not need to keep jumping back to the extremes they began a program with. You apparently cannot maintain - which is why you have to continue to go back to the extremes of kimkins... or even the extremes of Atkins Induction - while not as extreme, it really should only be done for a few weeks. These are all signs of your greatly slowing metabolism. You will so get to the point where your 600-800 calories will not cause weight loss and will even cause weight gain.

Then where will you be?

Please get your metabolism back up before its too late and you end up where you began... or worse.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by jlshields

This may be old news, but someone posted Anani's great letter on kimkins this morning

And it's still there? Any replies?

[JuliaL]

Kajun - you are so right! Anyone who has to eat extremely low calories or fast every other week to maintain their weight is not in maintenance, IMO. I eat the same amount every day, except for the occasional treat on weekends, and I've maintained a 50 lb. weight loss for over 3 years. I eat no less than 1700 calories per day on average and I never have to fast or use laxatives to keep my weight in check.