Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[kpholl]

Originally Posted by anani

In closing, I have this to say to all of you. Love yourself enough to do the research. To do what’s right for you and for those who love and need you. Your children, your husband, your sisters and brothers, parents and all who love you are counting on you to make the right choices. Please don’t sell their need for you and your long-term health and well being, for an illusion.

The illusion of The Woman in the Red Dress.

Anani,

Thank you for summing up why this story has captivated me (and many others, I'm sure) in such a personal way. I have been most of those women you so eloquently described at some point in my life. Your closing says it all. I hope you find some peace and respite from all of this.

JWC, great poem!

Tippy (if you are still reading this),

How is it morally OK to solicit funds with one stated purpose (for foster kids) and then, after the fact, say that it was for any use Kimmer desired? Even if you didn't care how she spent the money, wouldn't you have a responsibility to the people who joined the challenge under the belief that their donations were going to her foster kids? I see a big disconnect here in reasoning.

Once again, I so admire the people that are working to see that this fraud does not pull in any more innocent victims.

Karen

[SMP]

Originally Posted by mistyk

A red flag? Anyone else find it VERY telling that she mentions an extradition treaty??? What innocent person thinks about things like that!!!! Me thinks she revealed her real exit plan.....

Frankly, I thought of that, and I'm not a crook. It was just that Mexico was closer and she speaks Spanish, I believe. Someone on one of the blogs mentioned Mexico or another "safe" country. Maybe the Bahamas would work for her. But she better stash some dough real quick in a Swiss bank account ...or maybe in a Bahamian bank. OTOH, while I'm speculating, since Heidi has been a scam artist for many years, she might be rated an undesirable (if she's ever been convicted) and unable to leave the country. No one else will take her!

[Tooter]

anani and JCW

Thank you both!

[Sheridan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippy Toes View Post
I did not lie on the BBB report--I have lost 112 lbs. Did you want me to break it down for them--a year on Atkins, fat fast then Kimkins? Seems petty as most of this does.
You directly stated that you lost 112lbs thanks to Kimkins.com and that you tried other weight loss plans and they did not work:

Your Words:

This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to Kimkins.com I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific! I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories–ever.I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them.

Tippy, your pants are on fire.

Shame on you.

[Bobbin]

Originally Posted by mistyk

A red flag? Anyone else find it VERY telling that she mentions an extradition treaty??? What innocent person thinks about things like that!!!! Me thinks she revealed her real exit plan.....

I agree, I wouldn't know about that kind of stuff! Can you buy plane tickets with paypal?

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by Dallas

I'm still a member over there, with a different name. I've refrained from posting my concerns because I want to keep an eye on things. In the 10 years since my mom died I put on about 50 lbs. Not as much as some but enough to make me miserable. I've always scoffed at magazine weightloss articles but seeing Christin on the cover of WW caught my eye and clicked with me. And yes, I was impressed by the "red dress" before/after pictures. So I paid my $60. I'd been eating a lot of processed food so in comparison, Kimkins looked much healthier. I like meat and eggs and it said I could stay on K/E as long as I wanted. I did it for 13 weeks AS WRITTEN, with usually 400-600 cal/day, until Becky, Christin, and Deni left and I became concerned by Christin's reported side effects. I've been pleased with my weight loss and I'm 10 lbs from goal. BUT, although I've not had hair loss, I seem unable to regain my appetite. I never want to eat, even when my belly growls. I mean, I want to, but my appetite for food is non-existent. Nothing sounds good. I'm fighting to try to bring my calories to an acceptable level. My brain doesn't mind missing meals anymore. And when I do eat I feel bloated and I've gained a few lbs. So can Kimkins cause eating disorders? YES, IT CAN!!!! I never, ever had food issues before, except I liked and ate a lot of processed food and fast food. I'm not stupid. I'm very well-educated. But I was desperate and I believed someone who seemed to have found the answers I needed. She seemed to know what she was talking about. After all, it worked for her. I had hope. Now I don't know if I'll ever get back to a truly healthy diet and mindset toward food. Shame on her.

[Peony]

Maybe Heidi could move to the Bahamas and get together with Howard K Stern. Wouldn't they make a pair?

[CarolynF]

Dallas, Thanks so much for posting and telling others your story. Not eating very much can cause you to lose your appetite. My minlaw is the same way and can't stop losing weight (95/5'6"). There is a drug that your doctor can give you to increase your appetite. I would definitely go to the doctor for help. Please do this before you get too low. Just some thoughts that minlaw's dr. told her..Many small meals throughout the day..6 small meals might be easier to take, but go to your doctor..hugs to you!!

[Fizgig]

I've been reading this and the blogs with great interest... What a scuzzball.

One of the trashy celebrity gossip blogs that I love so much (guilty pleasure!) has clearly been an affiliate for months. It's the one that first name dropped Jessica Alba and Paris Hilton as devotees of the diet. I was cutting her some slack because I haven't seen it mentioned in a while, but she just brought up how great it is in a post about Angelina Jolie.

http://theskinnywebsite.com/site/200...low-carb-diet/

I left a comment that I'm sure won't make it through moderation (I was nice, but I just asked her to stop shilling for the fraud.) Maybe if other people leave her comments she'll get the hint... It's a pretty popular blog and I was upset to read all the comments of potential newbies interested in learning more.

[LC2003]

It's great to be concerned about your health when you diet, but sometimes I feel that some of you cross to the other extreme.

Losing weight is not an easy task. Very few people can do it at all and most of the ones who lose weight gain it back plus more. I once heared that 97% of weight watcher dieters gain their weights back within the 5 years following their diets. This is why obesity rate is constantly going up.

Obesity is also hazardous to your health. I used to be a little overwight and my doctor has been always screeming at me to lose weight. If I have told him that I'm afraid to lose weight since my hair is going to be thinner in the process he could have laughed. To him being at normal weight with thin hair is much better than to stay overweight.

[SunaBee]

Originally Posted by LC2003

It's great to be concerned about your health when you diet, but sometimes I feel that some of you cross to the other extreme.

Losing weight is not an easy task. Very few people can do it at all and most of the ones who lose weight gain it back plus more. I once heared that 97% of weight watcher dieters gain their weights back within the 5 years following their diets. This is why obesity rate is constantly going up.

Obesity is also hazardous to your health. I used to be a little overwight and my doctor have been always screeming at me to lose weight. If I have told him that I'm afraid to lose weight since my hair is going to be thinner in the process he could have laughed. To him being at normal weight with thin hair is much better than to stay overweight.

Having your hair thin out is a great concern because your body is screaming for help, because you are refusing to properly fuel it.

This has nothing to do with *vanity* and EVERYTHING to do with the need to take care of your health.

Depending on the different diets of my past, I have had hair fall out in handfuls.

My body was obviously trying to tell me something.

I think being a little overweight and properly taking in the required amount of nutrients is MUCH better then being of a so called "healthy weight" while refusing to properly fuel your body.

You are just choosing one kind of sick and unhealthy for another...

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Dallas, Thanks so much for posting and telling others your story. Not eating very much can cause you to lose your appetite. My minlaw is the same way and can't stop losing weight (95/5'6"). There is a drug that your doctor can give you to increase your appetite. I would definitely go to the doctor for help. Please do this before you get too low. Just some thoughts that minlaw's dr. told her..Many small meals throughout the day..6 small meals might be easier to take, but go to your doctor..hugs to you!!

Thanks, I will go to my doctor if I ever get to goal weight and I still don't have an appetite. Right now I'm still 10 lbs from that. But I really do appreciate your concern and advice. I'm trying to eat low Glycemic load now. I'm forcing meals.

[missis36]

Obesity is also hazardous to your health. I used to be a little overwight and my doctor has been always screeming at me to lose weight. If I have told him that I'm afraid to lose weight since my hair is going to be thinner in the process he could have laughed. To him being at normal weight with thin hair is much better than to stay overweight.

I'm sorry but this is nowhere near what we are talking about here. Were this about vanity and nothing else your point would be noted. However, it's not. Please ask your doctor how he would feel about losing weight but also making it so your metabolism was no longer functional. You see that's the reason people gain the weight back quickly, due to improper dieting in the first place. I'm sorry but to me your post was offensive, as you seem to think this is all a vanity issue and it certainly is NOT!

[Tazcat]

Originally Posted by LC2003

It's great to be concerned about your health when you diet, but sometimes I feel that some of you cross to the other extreme.

Losing weight is not an easy task. Very few people can do it at all and most of the ones who lose weight gain it back plus more. I once heared that 97% of weight watcher dieters gain their weights back within the 5 years following their diets. This is why obesity rate is constantly going up.

Obesity is also hazardous to your health. I used to be a little overwight and my doctor has been always screeming at me to lose weight. If I have told him that I'm afraid to lose weight since my hair is going to be thinner in the process he could have laughed. To him being at normal weight with thin hair is much better than to stay overweight.

Perhaps you need a new doctor then.

I have a wonderful doctor who never screams at me, and always encourages me - and I am just slightly overweight myself. I'm losing - and I do not lose my hair. When I did, it was due to my thyroid.

And like a good medical professional, he WAS very much concerned as it concerned me.

I don't think anyone came to this board to dispute that they want to stay overweight - people come here seeking healthy ways to lose weight.

And that's where this thread stems from - the lack of health in a particular diet plan. NOT the argument that being over/under weight is healthy.

[niciK]

WOW!! I used to come on LCF like 3 years ago and I loved this place. Kimmer was like a god, so shocked at what has come out, she herself is obese , amazing. This makes me so upset because I would always lurk and do stillmans and read the kimmer threads and be amazed by her, one thing I dont get though . She lied on her own website to make money and had to fool people, why would she come here and lie and give free advice, that part I dont understand. I remember herif you are over on carbs do the k/e for 5 days .. ect . I did that and yes I did lose weight. I did stillmans for 2 months and here I am needing to lose 35 pounds yet again. I feel sad that someone could decive people so easily from what I am reading here, I am so tempted to do the kimkins/ stillmans plan. My so is very against it and insists that I eat a salad and veggies and EAT. I have to agree eating that way back then 700 callories no fats ect.. has made me scared to eat in someways . First thing I did when deciding to lose weight again is come here and research plans, reading stillmans/kimmer threads knowing it worked before, but is only a quick fix and not a life time eating plan. Now I am scared that it is unsafe and dangerous , when you are desperate you dont think much about your long term health, only the promise of quick weight loss. Sorry for rambling, I am just so shocked at this scam. IT is disgusting and depressing. I remember people asking her for pics and her saying she was shy ect... WOW! What a thing to come back to.

[wifezilla]

LC2003...

If you are so obese your health is in that much immediate danger, you should be medically supervised for any weightloss. Period. That is not the case for a majority of people doing Kimkins.

And honestly, based on Kimmer's photos, I think you are better off carrying an extra 60 lbs around (like I was) until you are ready to do Atkins or another nutritionally sound lc plan than you are ending up like Kimmer! Besides, I kind of like my thyroid and my gall bladder. Kimkins (and other nutritionally bankrupt vlcds) has been shown to do damage to both.

[lalabella]

Originally Posted by CarolinaRocker

Not that it would EVER happen but since you asked Tippy....

I'd like to see her come back here and apologize to all the people that she made feel weak because they were losing 1-2 pound a week saying to them "OH I would NEVER stand for that kind of slow loss" and all the people that she ridiculed for going off plan once in a while....all the smart remarks she made to anyone who did things differently than her.....

All the while she was a heavy person pretending to be such a strong thin person hiding behind a monitor. She had the same struggles that everyone else has obviously but it was covered up with more lies....Maintaining for 6years indeed. I'd like to see her show her face once and for all and admit that she lied.

I'd also like all the money refunded for those lifetime memberships to those who didn't/don't want to be a part of her deception.

Then I dont really give a crap what happens to her. Karma will come for her.

agreed... she really made some of us feel like $#@& for losing "only a lb or 2 a week" and not being tough enough or serious enough, or for being liars ourselves.

I agree Lisa... i agree...

[wifezilla]

Now I am scared that it is unsafe and dangerous , when you are desperate you dont think much about your long term health, only the promise of quick weight loss.

Too true.

Welcome Nic...and be sure to stop by threads for some of the other lc eating plans. I am sure you will find a better healthier plan.

I am a big fan of Eat Fat Get Thin. It has worked well for me and some former Kimkins members have stopped by and are trying to add in healthy fats and more calories slowly to make their woe more nutritious.

[niciK]

Thank you wifezilla. I still dont know what plan to do, anylowcarb will be better than what I was doing, all of the crap I was eating. I will find a plan and a challenge to get into. Thanks

[jimzgrl]

Originally Posted by Dallas

I'm not stupid. I'm very well-educated. But I was desperate and I believed someone who seemed to have found the answers I needed. She seemed to know what she was talking about. After all, it worked for her. I had hope.

This bold part is important here, there are those who think the only people that would fall for kk are young or stupid. Someone said to me-"If I had heard of Kimkins years ago when I was young and stupid, I would have fallen for it and not cared about health consequences. Now I have kids."
Well, I am neither young nor stupid, and I have 6 kids, but I did fall for it. I had never checked out Atkins before falling for Kimkins. I was shown the WW article and the before and after pics of Christin and some others. It looked like the thing to do- I wanted this weight gone ASAP-even though I know better, I fell for it. It's easy to get sucked in with the promise of quick weight loss when you are desperate. Christin lost in 5 months what I've been trying 3 years to lose-Sounds good until you hear the health problems. About 2 weeks into it I heard about this website(LCF) and checked it out. Now here I am, hoping others will get out without hurting their health.
I am not proud to say I was sucked in, but it's what happened. I am an adult and I pay for my own actions. I have had no bad health effects from the 2 weeks, but, like Dallas, I am having a hard time upping my calories. I am reading DANDR and it is making sense.
Thank you all for this thread and for your understanding.

[Jayelgee]

one thing I dont get though . She lied on her own website to make money and had to fool people, why would she come here and lie and give free advice, that part I dont understand.

Maybe she's a pathological liar?

A pathological liar believes in the lies, at least at the time that she or he is talking. Their stories tend to be very dramatic. They often portray the person as being smarter, braver, more attractive, or more interesting than she or he really is. Sometimes people begin to catch onto pathological liars because of obvious flaws in the stories. A fairly young man will describe his heroics in the Vietnam war. A homely woman will talk about all the men who fell instantly in love with her. Sometimes the flaws may be more subtle and it may take a knowledgeable person to find them. Often it happens that a pathological liar will be caught out at a party by someone who really was a pilot, really lived in Africa, or really was a fashion model.

Suspect a pathological liar if:

*the stories seem too dramatic or unrealistic

*the lies seem to serve no purpose except to impress people or

*the lies can easily be shown up

Sometimes pathological lying appears to be related to physical causes, such as problems in the brain. Other times they appear to be related to low self-esteem. In any case, good diagnosis and treatment is needed.

[jdprecious]

Originally Posted by jwc

The following characters are entirely fictional and any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental. Some of the characters may have certain traits and/or mannerisms that may seem to suggest actual persons but we make no claim that these traits exist at all or in this combination in any person, living or dead.


Slimmer

There once was a woman who wrote "My name's Kimmer",
She said, “Follow me if you want to be slimmer.
I’ve a simple solution to all of your woes,
And ever so soon, you’ll be buying new clothes.”

“Just listen to me if you want an example,
For I once looked like you, with a bootie so ample.
Now I’m lean and I’m svelte, one-ninety-eight less,
As my photo will show you, in my shiny red dress”

“Are you excited yet? You should be you know,
Just fourteen-ninety-five, and that’s not much dough.
Heidi K Diaz is the name on the check,
Paypal is fine, though I’m dumb with high tech.”

“My Foster boys will thank you, as my dollars go there,
I want nothing for me, though my cupboards are bare.
I give as “anonymous”, to unfortunate souls,
So keep sending me money for benevolent goals.”

So Kimkins was born in the bytes and the bits,
Of a virtual world, where truth seldom sits.
Her followers believed in their futures hereafter,
As photos brought hope, in the befores and the afters.

“Don’t follow Fatkins, if you’re expecting a cure,
For greezy cheesburgers are an evil lure.
Just drink some water, you’ve plenty of food,
Saved up in your ass, to feed a whole brood.”

“What?, you’re snatty? Well, that’s a wonderful thing!
And that dizziness you feel, means the fat will not cling.
So your hair’s in the shower? There’s nothing to fear,
Just put on a wig, as you take off your rear.”

“Better than surgery,” the headlines then shouted,
And more followers came, her success loudly touted.
“Fifty-nine-ninety-five is not that much more,
Isn’t it worth it, to wear a size four?”

But questions arose as to matters of truth,
Detectives found Google, and started to sleuth.
“I’m Kim Drake, Vanessa, Kimmer1 and two,
You Negative Nancy Naysayers, don’t have a clue.”

“So I bear a resemblance to Jacyln Smith,
My beauty is legend, so just pay me forthwith.
Today I am Vincent, tomorrow I’m Brad.
But, my name is NOT Heidi, and you’re making me mad.”

But digital pixels soon filled all their screens,
As the camera revealed the revered diet queen.
Her followers were saddened, as each one now knows,
Their friend was no friend, it was all a big show.

The girl in the red dress was nowhere about,
The truth had been hidden, there was now little doubt.
Some followers said, “Liar, you’ve stolen our dreams.”
But some still hung on, steadfast to her schemes.

In truth shines a light that lies cannot hide,
And those who saw clearly what can’t be denied,
Shared stories of betrayal in elegant prose,
Kimmer revealed, like the emperor with no clothes.

excellent poem... just forgot to add something in there about it being a cult!!!

Originally Posted by MidwestMommy

After doing a lot of reading about cults and such, I have decided that Kimmer is running a cult.
Three ideas seem essential to the concept of a cult. One is thinking in terms of us versus them with total alienation from "them." The second is the intense, though often subtle, indoctrination techniques used to recruit and hold members. The third is the charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that outside the cult all is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings.
HOW TO RECOGNIZE IF YOU ARE IN A Cult:

Are you told not to question what is being taught because the leaders are honest and want the best for you so you must trust them.
Are you told not to ask questions why anyone left, you’re to accept the answers the leaders give you such as: we didn’t see eye to eye, they weren’t strong enough, they lacked dedication.
Are you made to feel your failures, that your performance is not up to par .
Are they putting down other diets and building themselves up. Do they sometimes use people as examples of what you are to be doing and others on what you are not to be doing.
Do they bring attention to what they do, proclaiming theirs is the only right way.
Do they put down others to make themselves look better, calling themselves righteous and others haters
Do they call those who leave fall a ways enemies and haters
Do they stop you from reading anything negative about themselves or recommend you not to read it for your own protection.
Do they recommend for you to be around their people expecting you to believe their words and not question things.
Do they defend all that they do even though it can be harmful or wrong.
THINGS TO BE AWARE OF
People telling you how well you are doing and saying you can really go places. (flattery goes a long way in cults)
An instant bonding of friendship without your knowing who they are or they really knowing you, they act as your best friend (love bombing still works).
When you ask questions about their history or the group they are vague in their answers or avoid answering them. (not answering or postponing it makes it go away)

i have been saying this from the very beginning and I couldnt agree more... every time i email or contact the media..i always describe it as an internet diet cult... bc that is exactly what it is.. she has brainwashed ppl via the internet and they all have stockholm syndrome... it truly is amazing at the same time sad... i hope they catch her soon... every day that passes is a day she doesnt deserve to see the sunset!