Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[jayed]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

More words of "wisdom" from Kimmer....

Colleen: I do have a question. I started working out again. Just cardio 3 days a week and free weights 3 days a week. Friends at the gym keep telling me I should use whey protein so I dont lose muscle. How do you feel about that. I know your not a big exerciser but I wanted to know what your thoughts are. I see that you mentioned in this thread that you can have it as long as your cals and carbs are low. Do I really want to waste 130 cals on a protein drink...no...but if it really does help me tone up I will. Thanks in advance

Kimmer: Colleen, we only need 60 grams of protein for the average person and I believe the USDA defines that as "average" exercise.

Check your typical protein grams in Fitday. My guess is it's already over 60 grams so there's no need to take extra protein. You won't "lose" muscle, especially if you're working out. That's a fallacy.

colleen44: oh yes Im at about 100 per day

Kimmer: You're at 140% of the RDA and eating plenty of protein for working out. Ask your friends to kindly mind their own business!

I've never understood why Heidi is so quick to quote a RDA for protein but totally ignores the RDA for everything else.

[becksterinindy]

Originally Posted by Thinmint

Thank you Missi. I almost deleted the post because I hate to put too much of myself on here. I see Heidi sharing too and I hope others read this thread and helps them. I'm doing better but I'm searching for my low carb plan now and trying not to eat too much. It is a thin line and it surprises me at how fast I could be afraid of fat, carbs and calories...food in general. It feels good to have places like this and other forums for support. I may not post much but I'm here reading and learning.

Thinmint I am sure you will find your way soon

[Tippy Toes]

Originally Posted by missis36

You might want to look into fraud Tippy because you have in fact committed a fraud. The day you decided to become a paid member of a site where your fundraising in the past has been questioned. Where did the money go Tippy? Because I am telling you right now it DID NOT go to anyone but Heidi, and that is like me raising money for Jerry's kids and putting the money in my bank account now isn't it?

Well, I cannot say what Kimmer did with the money as we all agreed she could do as she saw fit. I cannot say if it went to foster kids or not. However, I would think it did. Because if she makes what everyone says, why would she need to steal a measly couple hundred bucks if she is a millionaire? Again, that is just an assumption. I don't jump to conclusions easily. I cannot tell you Kimmer is Heidi Diaz and has foster kids anymore than I can say she isn't or doesn't. So, yes I organized this fundraiser by creating a weight loss challenge. But, I also collected no money and certainly took no money from it. In fact, I paid money in for my own pledge. I don't think that makes me fraudulent. And I really don't appreciate being called a liar and thief. I came here to answer questions and I have done that. I am sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. I did not lie on the BBB report--I have lost 112 lbs. Did you want me to break it down for them--a year on Atkins, fat fast then Kimkins? Seems petty as most of this does.

Folks, I am off to watch football. Not sure I will check back in at all. Seems unproductive. So have at it.

For the lady wanting to know how to bring calories up, I hope I was able to help.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Thinmint

Thank you Missi. I almost deleted the post because I hate to put too much of myself on here. I see Heidi sharing too and I hope others read this thread and helps them. I'm doing better but I'm searching for my low carb plan now and trying not to eat too much. It is a thin line and it surprises me at how fast I could be afraid of fat, carbs and calories...food in general. It feels good to have places like this and other forums for support. I may not post much but I'm here reading and learning.

You know that's the best part of this place. I first came here because I was stalled...so I read everything I could on the subject here and just started trying this and that until I found something that worked. I'm not thin...yet...but I know what I have learned here is helping me in my quest. The best part is that most of the folks on here want you to lose weight hehe. They are very helpful and what I've seen so far has been nothing but sweet loving answers to questions. I love that. (of course some of us don't look so nice in this thread but there are questions that deserve answers) Anyhew, read the stuff in the main lobby too for extra support, I know I get great info there.

[CarolinaRocker]

Tippy....If you didn't collect monies......then how do you know it was a "measly couple hundred bucks"?????

Heidi's word?

[wifezilla]

For the lady wanting to know how to bring calories up, I hope I was able to help.

Don't worry about it. We are steering them in a better direction while informing them of the dangers of Kimkins AS WRITTEN. We will also be sure to tell them that those who tout the Kimkins plan the most lost a majority of their weight on Atkins anyway.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Well, I cannot say what Kimmer did with the money as we all agreed she could do as she saw fit. I cannot say if it went to foster kids or not. However, I would think it did. Because if she makes what everyone says, why would she need to steal a measly couple hundred bucks if she is a millionaire? Again, that is just an assumption. I don't jump to conclusions easily. I cannot tell you Kimmer is Heidi Diaz and has foster kids anymore than I can say she isn't or doesn't. So, yes I organized this fundraiser by creating a weight loss challenge. But, I also collected no money and certainly took no money from it. In fact, I paid money in for my own pledge. I don't think that makes me fraudulent. And I really don't appreciate being called a liar and thief. I came here to answer questions and I have done that. I am sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. I did not lie on the BBB report--I have lost 112 lbs. Did you want me to break it down for them--a year on Atkins, fat fast then Kimkins? Seems petty as most of this does. .

Um bolded to make a point here. But first of all. You have no idea where the money went but you would "think" it went to the kids. You would be wrong. You tippy YOU organized a fundraiser where the proceeds may have been gathered via fraud. That makes you culpable....look it up. I'm not doing this to argue with you rather to educate you. You are culpable no matter how you look at it.

And while I have yet to call you a liar or a thief, your last sentence makes you a liar. Not trying to argue but to say on the bbb website that you owe your weightloss to Kimkins is a flat out bold faced lie. Yes or no? You just admitted it right here. So again, you can't sit atop the mountain of justification unless you are in fact without cause to question and you have given us much to question. Sorry.

[SoHappy]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Now, let me ask you all a question that I want you to think about for a bit before you answer. Short of hearing Kimmer has identified herself, is dead, locked up in jail or her site is closed, what would you all really like to see happen that would be positive? I am curious to know if anything short of the above would make you happy. I am listening.

Before Kimmer ever left LCF to start her own $$$ site, there were many here who argued with her and her ideas of how to lose weight fast. At this point many would like to see her punished lawfully for the fraud, but at the least I believe many would be happiest if her beliefs about weight loss could stop being held up as a healthy choice.

Reducing calories to pretty low levels has always been how most people diet for weight loss. Often those on Atkins misunderstood and thought his plan somehow gave them a free pass to overeat in quantity. But even he said calories do count. Somehow on Kimkins the calories count for so much that they are to be kept at low levels that are extreme. I do believe that calories that are below 1000 daily is extreme when it is continued for weeks on end. And, Tippy, you must know that many there are not just eating very low- calorie for a week. Or even for two weeks at a time. They are prolonging their use of this eating plan for months on end.

One of our problems is that Kimmer advocates the use of her diet for ongoing, uninterrupted use! While YOU may have alternated it with another plan, THAT isn't doing Kimkins like the people on her site are being told to do.

We want Kimmer to stop what she is telling these people. We want her to stop guiding them and even goading them into cutting their calories and nutrition ever lower to extreme levels. We want her (and you) to stop pooh-poohing that some people can actually have their health badly harmed by eating behaviors as she has been quoted to espouse many, many times.

There is nothing wrong with doing a few "protein days" to bring appetites back into line when someone has overdone on carbs at a fun party. There is nothing wrong with doing a day or two of very low calories every once-in-awhile to bring a week's total into better balance. There is nothing wrong with skipping eating all together occasionally if you're into that. But she advises these practices and more routinely in post after post after post. And while there are many posts that are reasonable and harmless, the fact that she has proclaimed herself as the GUIDE, the master of her plan, and the seller of that plan for money, she needs to be very, very careful what words are coming out of her mouth!!!

Well, enough. I doubt you'll want to back away and distance yourself from her website as you are being paid to work there, I understand, and, as you stated on the BBB site, you lost so much weight because of Kimkins.com. I don't know why you didn't mention that you'd lost so much eating on the Atkins plan, but whatever.....Have to tell ya', it didn't feel too totally honest to me, but whatever again.

It just really feels like some who have lost don't care about any problems happening to others if it works for them...and Kimmer doesn't care if anyone has problems because she still has their money...and you don't care if anyone might be harmed because you have to save face and remain "steadfast" now that you have voiced your decision. Like you couldn't admit any concern now.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Well, I cannot say what Kimmer did with the money as we all agreed she could do as she saw fit. I cannot say if it went to foster kids or not.

This is from your original post on the fundraiser:

Let’s post our start weight. For each pound we lose, plan to donate one dollar for Kimmer’s kids.

[bold added]

The stated purpose of the fundraiser was for "Kimmer's kids." How can you now say the money was for "Kimmer" to do what ever she wanted with it?

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by SoHappy

Before Kimmer ever left LCF to start her own $$$ site, there were many here who argued with her and her ideas of how to lose weight fast. At this point many would like to see her punished lawfully for the fraud, but at the least I believe many would be happiest if her beliefs about weight loss could stop being held up as a healthy choice.

Reducing calories to pretty low levels has always been how most people diet for weight loss. Often those on Atkins misunderstood and thought his plan somehow gave them a free pass to overeat in quantity. But even he said calories do count. Somehow on Kimkins the calories count for so much that they are to be kept at low levels that are extreme. I do believe that calories that are below 1000 daily is extreme when it is continued for weeks on end. And, Tippy, you must know that many there are not just eating very low- calorie for a week. Or even for two weeks at a time. They are prolonging their use of this eating plan for months on end.

One of our problems is that Kimmer advocates the use of her diet for ongoing, uninterrupted use! While YOU may have alternated it with another plan, THAT isn't doing Kimkins like the people on her site are being told to do.

We want Kimmer to stop what she is telling these people. We want her to stop guiding them and even goading them into cutting their calories and nutrition ever lower to extreme levels. We want her (and you) to stop pooh-poohing that some people can actually have their health badly harmed by eating behaviors as she has been quoted to espouse many, many times.

There is nothing wrong with doing a few "protein days" to bring appetites back into line when someone has overdone on carbs at a fun party. There is nothing wrong with doing a day or two of very low calories every once-in-awhile to bring a week's total into better balance. There is nothing wrong with skipping eating all together occasionally if you're into that. But she advises these practices and more routinely in post after post after post. And while there are many posts that are reasonable and harmless, the fact that she has proclaimed herself as the GUIDE, the master of her plan, and the seller of that plan for money, she needs to be very, very careful what words are coming out of her mouth!!!

Well, enough. I doubt you'll want to back away and distance yourself from her website as you are being paid to work there, I understand, and, as you stated on the BBB site, you lost so much weight because of Kimkins.com. I don't know why you didn't mention that you'd lost so much eating on the Atkins plan, but whatever.....Have to tell ya', it didn't feel too totally honest to me, but whatever again.

It just really feels like some who have lost don't care about any problems happening to others if it works for them...and Kimmer doesn't care if anyone has problems because she still has their money...and you don't care if anyone might be harmed because you have to save face and remain "steadfast" now that you have voiced your decision. Like you couldn't admit any concern now.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Well, I cannot say what Kimmer did with the money as we all agreed she could do as she saw fit. I cannot say if it went to foster kids or not. However, I would think it did. Because if she makes what everyone says, why would she need to steal a measly couple hundred bucks if she is a millionaire? Again, that is just an assumption. I don't jump to conclusions easily. I cannot tell you Kimmer is Heidi Diaz and has foster kids anymore than I can say she isn't or doesn't. So, yes I organized this fundraiser by creating a weight loss challenge. But, I also collected no money and certainly took no money from it. In fact, I paid money in for my own pledge. I don't think that makes me fraudulent. And I really don't appreciate being called a liar and thief. I came here to answer questions and I have done that. I am sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. I did not lie on the BBB report--I have lost 112 lbs. Did you want me to break it down for them--a year on Atkins, fat fast then Kimkins? Seems petty as most of this does.

Folks, I am off to watch football. Not sure I will check back in at all. Seems unproductive. So have at it.

For the lady wanting to know how to bring calories up, I hope I was able to help.

No Tippy we most certainly did NOT all agree to Kimmer using the money as she saw fit!!!:annoyed:

What we agreed to was for Kimmer to buy her fosters a microwave and plates/utensils type of thing.



and yes Tippy if you had only broken how you actually lost your weight by the various diets, on the BBB, then it would not appear as a lie. maybe you can edit it so that it is more truthful.

[missis36]

Tippy I am sad that you won't stay to defend what you are trying to do. I was respectful with my questions and you have yet to answer them aside from the fraud, which wasn't an answer so much as another diversion.

[teri f]

Tippy, is that paycheck really worth it? "To thine ownself be true"...

Regardless of our differences now, we will be here for you when the "Kimpire" crashes and burns. And it will.

We will also be here for you if that psycho bans you for some preceived personal slight or misstep.

[Pam40]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Well, I cannot say what Kimmer did with the money as we all agreed she could do as she saw fit. I cannot say if it went to foster kids or not. However, I would think it did. Because if she makes what everyone says, why would she need to steal a measly couple hundred bucks if she is a millionaire? Again, that is just an assumption. I don't jump to conclusions easily. I cannot tell you Kimmer is Heidi Diaz and has foster kids anymore than I can say she isn't or doesn't. So, yes I organized this fundraiser by creating a weight loss challenge. But, I also collected no money and certainly took no money from it. In fact, I paid money in for my own pledge. I don't think that makes me fraudulent. And I really don't appreciate being called a liar and thief. I came here to answer questions and I have done that. I am sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. I did not lie on the BBB report--I have lost 112 lbs. Did you want me to break it down for them--a year on Atkins, fat fast then Kimkins? Seems petty as most of this does.

Folks, I am off to watch football. Not sure I will check back in at all. Seems unproductive. So have at it.

For the lady wanting to know how to bring calories up, I hope I was able to help.

I thought the fund raiser was set up in order to provide things for her foster kids. If the fund raiser was actually done for Kimmer to use "as she saw fit" then the whole foster kid angle should have been completely left out of it. It should have been a "Kimmer Fundraiser for Kimmer".

This whole thing just gets more and more bizarre. I've read every single post in this thread since it began but never really felt compelled to say anything. I was content to sit back and watch it all unfold. As time goes by, however, it just gets more and more unbelievable.

[Carolina Rose]

Originally Posted by missis36

And while I have yet to call you a liar or a thief, your last sentence makes you a liar. Not trying to argue but to say on the bbb website that you owe your weightloss to Kimkins is a flat out bold faced lie. Yes or no? You just admitted it right here. So again, you can't sit atop the mountain of justification unless you are in fact without cause to question and you have given us much to question.

What's that old saying, "birds of a feather flock together?"

Thank God, Becky, Christin, and Deni had the sense to take flight.

I still wonder what Tippy's reaction is to Becky's, Christin's and Deni's blogs especially since she now finds herself in the position in which they once stood. Does she lump their heart-felt writings into "the gossip mill" too?

[Pam40]

I've forgotten what Tippy Toes' position is at Kimkins. Board Admin or Public Relations? Sorry, I can't remember.

[CarolinaRocker]

Seems appropriate:

YouTube - Lies - The Knickerbockers

[Leashy]

Originally Posted by Pam40

I've forgotten what Tippy Toes' position is at Kimkins. Board Admin or Public Relations? Sorry, I can't remember.

I think she's PR.

I don't get how she can come on here and say she lost her weight with atkins, fat fast and then kimkins WITH CYCLING and still have the BBB review and success story saying she lost 112lbs ON KIMKINS.

I know these questions will never get answered but I have to wonder if she'd feel the same way if her pockets weren't being lined.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by dlslds

No Tippy we most certainly did NOT all agree to Kimmer using the money as she saw fit!!!:annoyed:

What we agreed to was for Kimmer to buy her fosters a microwave and plates/utensils type of thing.



and yes Tippy if you had only broken how you actually lost your weight by the various diets, on the BBB, then it would not appear as a lie. maybe you can edit it so that it is more truthful.

yes, that money was supposed to for those boys' "leaving home" care packages...and didn't she come back later and tell us that she bought microwaves, had utilities turned on, etc. for them with that money?

*not touching the obvious false advertising BBB testimony*

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Pam40

I've forgotten what Tippy Toes' position is at Kimkins. Board Admin or Public Relations? Sorry, I can't remember.

both

[Leashy]

Originally Posted by Cutie

both

my bad. I thought she was only PR.

[stews]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

I have lost 112 lbs. Did you want me to break it down for them--a year on Atkins, fat fast then Kimkins? Seems petty as most of this does.

honestly, yes, I think you should be clear on how you lost the weight. even if it's to say you lost it using a combination of Atkins, fatfast and kimkins (or something like that).


I can use myself as an example. I lost about 80 pounds on Atkins. I then switched to a nutrition and fitness coach's plan, learning2lose. I have since lost over 20 more for a total of over 100 pounds lost.

when I am asked how I did it or write my testamony for my recent plan, I don't say I lost over a hundred on Jackie's learning2lose plan. that would be dishonest. I say I lost 80 on Atkins and used jackie's plan to get me the rest of the way and push to goal.

after I've maintained for awhile I'll change the last part of my testamony to "I used Jackie's plan to get me the rest of the way and push to goal and have maintained with her plan for such and such time (again, or something similar to that).

I feel it would be dishonest to claim that I lost over 100 on my present plan when I didn't EVEN though I full heartedly believe I COULD have gotten there on this plan, I didn't. If you don't want to go all way into the details and say specifically how much on each plan, I feel the only ethical way to do it is to say I lost *total weight* using a combination of plan 1, plan b, plan c, etc (or whatever fits).