Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[daisyspring]

Originally Posted by Heather150

It's all right here, people. You are the masters of dirt digging so go ahead and dig it up.

Ok how's this for some digging (and this is just on the first page) Calling all Kimmers Maintainers--how has it been for you?

1. Although I am a big Kimmer fan (and I really am) I have seen too many folks get trapped without being able to raise calories or carbs later, making it impossible to live on over 800 calories a day without gaining

2.But, I do think you shouldn't stay on it too long

3. Even trying to lower this and that and add in a few carbs wouldn't budge the scales. So just imagine 6 months of Kimkins and where you would go on that stall

4.So I would return to Atkins where it was easier anyway

5. Take very seriously what CartBabe said... Don't stay too long on Kimkins, OK?

I clicked on the link and read what Tippy said, not what you just
picked out. What is the big deal with this post?
It doesn't seem to contradict any post of hers that I have seen.
There is nothing negative being said about the Kimkins diet in this post.

"Although I am a big Kimmer fan (and I really am) I have seen too many folks get trapped without being able to raise calories or carbs later, making it impossible to live on over 800 calories a day without gaining. After seeing so many, I made the decision to use her plan as a cycle back and forth with Atkins. I am and always will be truly grateful for Kimkins (it really does work) and found it so very valuable for me when Atkins just wouldn't move the pounds anymore. But, I do think you shouldn't stay on it too long, as the body has an ability to "adjust" to plans. Just as my body learned to "adjust" to Atkins without losing a single lb for 6 months, yet doing the same as I had done from the start. Even trying to lower this and that and add in a few carbs wouldn't budge the scales. So just imagine 6 months of Kimkins and where you would go on that stall... Use the plan wisely if you must use it, but if Atkins will take you where you want to be, stick with it."

Tippy: I agree that people shouldn't believe everything they read online.
Its insane to do so. I learned that the hard way after being molested by an online predator.
But I would leave the Kimkins site and maybe start your own!
I've been doing it since June and I haven't had one problem. I have never
reduced my calories and fat to incredibly low numbers though.
I'm type 2 diabetic, I need to eat properly and I do on this diet.
I hope you do stay here at LCF, I love reading your posts.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by mamajo100

Thanks for the quick response - what does ed mean?

Eating disorder. A plan like kimkins if done as the plan behind the plan will easily turn into an ed because it causes you to be scared of calories/fat. That is not a healthy way to lose weight. Please please please keep in mind if your goal is to lose the weight fast that any way you do it will be unhealthy. Unless you gained all of your extra weight in a month it is silly to try to lose it all in a month.

I think the only message here is the way to lose weight and keep it off is to do it healthily, not by limiting things your body needs. Hope this helps.

[Tippy Toes]

An eating disorder is not caused from Kimkins. I suggest you google eating disorders for the truth.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

An eating disorder is not caused from Kimkins. I suggest you google eating disorders for the truth.

Wow, all that's been said an this is what you comment on. I don't believe I said that it causes ed, I believe I said if it's done as the plan behind the plan people become scared of calories/fat and that's what an ed is. Trust me Tippy I've had both ed's and they were both extreme so I assure you I know what an ed is. Do you know what fraud is?

I will also not edit that post, but if you read it again it even says a plan LIKE kimkins.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

An eating disorder is not caused from Kimkins. I suggest you google eating disorders for the truth.

I beg to differ.

[abbymommy]

I don't believe Tippy is lying to us, only to herself. Many people are capable of self-deception when the stakes are high enough, like receiving lots of money from a scam artist.

Also, as Tippy said, she was also desperate for something, anything to work. Kimkins was her "salvation", and she will maybe be forever loyal to her "Savior".

This thought comes to mind, "What does it benefit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?".

Through all of this, people like Deni, Cristin, Cutie, Becky and PrettyPaula have lost weight but gained integrity, personal character, and inner strength.

Others have also lost weight very quickly doing Kimkins but have lost more than pounds, have also lost credibility, their moral compass, and sense of conscience. Sad.

IF Kimmer is not Heidi, all she would have to do is say so and prove it. If this happened to any of us, and our identity and diet plan was being challenged, we would jump to prove that our diet plan was indeed effective. It's just good business sense if nothing else.

We wouldn't sit back, let our paid friends take the heat for us, and lose business just because we didn't want to post a current photo. Come on.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

An eating disorder is not caused from Kimkins. I suggest you google eating disorders for the truth.

Oh, but yes it can be caused by "Kimkins," or triggered by such an eating plan as "Kimkins." It has been said time and time again by people who have been on "Kimkins" that it has triggered and caused ED's and ED behaviors. The proof is in the pudding, shall we say...and you don't need to Google very far to find that proof.

Are you calling all of those people liars?

[missis36]

Originally Posted by CJane

Oh, but yes it can be caused by "Kimkins," or triggered by such an eating plan as "Kimkins." It has been said time and time again by people who have been on "Kimkins" that it has triggered and caused ED's and ED behaviors. The proof is in the pudding, shall we say...and you don't need to Google very far to find that proof.

Are you calling all of those people liars?

Nope it's diversion. Just like Heidi does. Let's review the questions that were left unanswered in order to make that one post.

Why did you lie to the bbb, if in fact a majority of your weight was lost on Atkins as per your previous posts on LCF?

Why would you still stand beside a person who used you to commit a fraud?

Why would you still stand beside a person who lied to everyone including you about her weight loss?

Why not create a free site for people to learn of your weightloss instead of giving money to a scam artist?

That's just the questions I asked that went unanswered, but let's deflect from those questions and hit on the ed thing.

Now about those answers tippy?????

[wifezilla]

Do I think Kimkins is safe? Yes I do if done as written.

Reeeaaalllyyyyyy????

Here's a link to my Fitday during my weight loss phase:

Kimmer's Fitday

Here's the guidelines for Kimkins:

* Up to 20 total carbs (not 'net')
* Up to 3 cups salad type veggies or
* Up to 2 cups salad veggies + .5 cup 'cooked'
* 70-90 lean protein grams
* No LC products, treats, junk or alcohol
* Just enough fat to make your menu work (don't overdo)

Here's the guidelines for the Kimmer Experiment (not M/E):

* As much lean protein as you desire
* Length of time is 3-5 days depending on how 'carbed up' you are
* Purpose is to experience 'real' ketosis (weight loss, no appetite)
* Useful as a springboard for other LC programs
* No alcohol, no cheese
* Basic condiments and spices OK (watch catsup & A1 sauce)

Which plan is fine as written? The one where you only eat around 700 calories a day (which Kimmer thinks is FINE since you are carrying all that extra "food" around with you in the form of body fat) or the one with no vegetables, dairy, or dietary fat???

[Tippy Toes]

Let me make this clear: Eating Disorders and DIETING do not work well together. Are you trying to tell me a person with an ED may not be attracted to any weight loss plan except Kimkins??? That's a bit much.

And so you all know, your response is exactly why I don't post much here. You only read what you want. Did you read what I wrote about finding not a single case of hair clumps prior to all of this? Hello out there...

And thinking this is all for money is a rough statement. Those who know me will tell you I have ALWAYS endorsed Kimkins.

As far as digging away at posts made by me 5 months ago, I have already said positive changes and improvements are being made.

Now, let me ask you all a question that I want you to think about for a bit before you answer. Short of hearing Kimmer has identified herself, is dead, locked up in jail or her site is closed, what would you all really like to see happen that would be positive? I am curious to know if anything short of the above would make you happy. I am listening.

[golite]

Answer to the fraud Tippy.

It is proven and good enough for the Federal Court System. What more proof do you need?

[wifezilla]

Kimmer doing a stint in jail for fraud with a lifetime ban on internet use (which they often do to hackers) would be VERY positive! No longer would the name of LOW CARB be tainted by her lies, poor science, and horrible health advice!

[Tippy Toes]

golite, I have comitted no fraud to answer to.

I'm still listening though.

[missis36]

Tippy I answered that question about a month ago when I started posting on this topic. The only reason I'd like for this info to be out there is so that people get GOOD diet advice as opposed to bs advice. I was a kid with an ed. My metabolism is messed up still from it. If this could help one person to not develop such a mindset about dieting then my job here is done.

If you care about anyone but yourself you would look inside your comments and realize that touting a QUICK WL plan is just plain dumb. You yourself took over 2 years to lose your weight...so now it's a good idea to tell people they could do it in months? That's my problem tippy. The whole point of the kimkins idea is that it's quick and you don't have to exercise. Have you changed all of that in your short tenure there?

[Pam40]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Now, let me ask you all a question that I want you to think about for a bit before you answer. Short of hearing Kimmer has identified herself, is dead, locked up in jail or her site is closed, what would you all really like to see happen that would be positive? I am curious to know if anything short of the above would make you happy. I am listening.

Except for the dead part I'd think that all of the above would suffice, eh?

[emeraldskye]

I would like the KK site to be shut down. But the main page still up with an explanation of how KimKins is unhealthy with links going to all the free lc sites such as LCF.

[StephanieK]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

golite, I have comitted no fraud to answer to.

I'm still listening though.

Have you checked with your attorney about the fund raiser for the nonexistent foster kids?

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

golite, I have comitted no fraud to answer to.

I'm still listening though.

You might want to look into fraud Tippy because you have in fact committed a fraud. The day you decided to become a paid member of a site where your fundraising in the past has been questioned. Where did the money go Tippy? Because I am telling you right now it DID NOT go to anyone but Heidi, and that is like me raising money for Jerry's kids and putting the money in my bank account now isn't it?

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

Let me make this clear: Eating Disorders and DIETING do not work well together. Are you trying to tell me a person with an ED may not be attracted to any weight loss plan except Kimkins??? That's a bit much.

And so you all know, your response is exactly why I don't post much here. You only read what you want. Did you read what I wrote about finding not a single case of hair clumps prior to all of this? Hello out there...

You might consider what Becky has to say on this topic:

Heidi tried to pass it off as individuals 'taking it to the extreme', apparently "too stupid" to notice 'pre-existing' health problems and go to a doctor.

I cannot accept that, for several reasons:
1) These people had no history of pre-existing conditions or problems before the diet.
2) Even if those were pre-existing conditions, a healthy weight loss diet should not trigger those problems to that degree. If this plan put people with previous eating disorders at risk of retriggering them, that should be clearly spelled out with huge warnings. (Not to mention, it simply should not happen.)

3) If the diet could even remotely be responsible for provoking dangerous medical problems, even in a tiny predisposed minority, then the person who took money from them to sell them the diet owed it to them to protect them.

[Thinmint]

Originally Posted by Tippy Toes

An eating disorder is not caused from Kimkins. I suggest you google eating disorders for the truth.

I have never had an eating disorder but I can see how Kimkins could make me think that way. I was only on it for 3 weeks and yes I am a $60 member, when I realized that I was getting afraid of calories and gaining weight. I was obsessed with the scale. It was feeling too good not to eat hardly anything and that scared me. I never thought I could get that way and so quick because I like food, that's why I need to lose weight. I had done low carb before so I was surprised that I bought into it so easy. I wasn't eating enough fat because I was using Pam spray instead good oil and not using butter. I do believe there is a plan behind the plan. Crystal light seemed to be drink of choice, diet drinks and Whey Protein. I am adding back fats slowly and started doing so after the first 3 weeks. I am trying not to be obsessed with the scales and only weight once or twice a week.

I am thankful for Becky that was at Kimkins because it was one of her posts about too lowfat that woke me up to the dangers. I am re-educating myself again on low carb. Thank for listening.

[golite]

Originally Posted by StephanieK

Have you checked with your attorney about the fund raiser for the nonexistent foster kids?

It was a fraudulent fund raiser. You set it up. Either you are gulity for setting it up or Heidi is guilty for duping you or you're both guilty.

Pick one.

If you were simply duped, the law would see you as a victim of her crime, but since you've allied yourself with her to this extreme level, you will remain a suspect.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by missis36

If this could help one person to not develop such a mindset about dieting then my job here is done.

This thread has helped save me, Missi. I was developing the mindset that less is more and felt like I was doing something wrong if I went as much as 800 calories. I've never had an eating disorder. I was overweight but not obese. I can see, as it happened with me, how easy it is for someone to get an eating disorder by following Kimkins and taking the advice given over there.

Tippy, perhaps you never heard stories of hair clumps falling out before all of this because it doesn't happen overnight. Mine happened about 2.5 months into it. I realize the site was around long before I arrived but everyone is different. Not everyone will lose their hair, but I can attest to clumps of hair falling out. If I had joined a year ago, then you would have heard about it then.

[missis36]

Originally Posted by Thinmint

I have never had an eating disorder but I can see how Kimkins could make me think that way. I was only on it for 3 weeks and yes I am a $60 member, when I realized that I was getting afraid of calories and gaining weight. I was obsessed with the scale. It was feeling too good not to eat hardly anything and that scared me. I never thought I could get that way and so quick because I like food, that's why I need to lose weight. I had done low carb before so I was surprised that I bought into it so easy. I wasn't eating enough fat because I was using Pam spray instead good oil and not using butter. I do believe there is a plan behind the plan. Crystal light seemed to be drink of choice, diet drinks and Whey Protein. I am adding back fats slowly and started doing so after the first 3 weeks. I am trying not to be obsessed with the scales and only weight once or twice a week.

I am thankful for Becky that was at Kimkins because it was one of her posts about too lowfat that woke me up to the dangers. I am re-educating myself again on low carb. Thank for listening.

And there you have it Tippy. That's the reason we are here right there. Thank you thinmint for posting and I hope everything goes well for you...trust me it's easy to be scared of food, and it's easy to gain a bunch of weight after that type of diet, but you are in good company here!

[wifezilla]

More words of "wisdom" from Kimmer....

Colleen: I do have a question. I started working out again. Just cardio 3 days a week and free weights 3 days a week. Friends at the gym keep telling me I should use whey protein so I dont lose muscle. How do you feel about that. I know your not a big exerciser but I wanted to know what your thoughts are. I see that you mentioned in this thread that you can have it as long as your cals and carbs are low. Do I really want to waste 130 cals on a protein drink...no...but if it really does help me tone up I will. Thanks in advance

Kimmer: Colleen, we only need 60 grams of protein for the average person and I believe the USDA defines that as "average" exercise.

Check your typical protein grams in Fitday. My guess is it's already over 60 grams so there's no need to take extra protein. You won't "lose" muscle, especially if you're working out. That's a fallacy.

colleen44: oh yes Im at about 100 per day

Kimmer: You're at 140% of the RDA and eating plenty of protein for working out. Ask your friends to kindly mind their own business!