Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[mimom3]

Originally Posted by JustKim

You just put into words what I am struggling with and cannot express. I get the whole physically she is not who she proclaimed to be. But is she also NOT the person I have shared so much with all these years? Is that person a fictional character as well? Does any part of THAT person that I had called a friend TRULY exist?

Kim...my heart breaks for you and others who were taken in by her. You and I don't "know" each other, but I have appreciated your posts and bits of advice to other posters over the years.

Time will heal this hurt...

[AllisonB]

Originally Posted by Diana

Oh yes it is!!! This is why Polise confinscate PCs all the time. You think you deleted it off the hard drive, heck go ahead re-format... It's still there!

It is possible to recover (some) data following a reformat, though the data will most likely be highly corrupted. The only way to be sure you have permanently destroyed data is to reformat the drive, run an electro-magnet over the disk, and then use a drill to drill holes through the platters. Even then, I would throw it in a fire, and then throw the remains into the middle of the ocean

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by anani

Well I was just about in tears today. I have had to concede that I have no choice now but to get my hair cut...short. I mentioned a while back that I had lost quite a bit, but have been noticing lately how unhealthy it's been looking. Today after I washed and blow dried it, I was horrified. Freshly washed hair usually looks shiny and bouncy..today my hair had no shine and looked horrible and then I noticed that it as become brittle and there are whole sections that have broken off. I keep my hair tied back a lot for work and don't wash it every day, so I hadn't noticed before.

I tried to take a picture to post here (someone ealier accused no one of having pictures as proof) but I have such a lousy web cam.
The picture on my avitar was taken right around the time I started Kimkins in April. I had really nice healthy hair then and had been lowcarbing for well over a year. I work in the cosmetics industry so have always done a lot of stuff to keep my hair healthy.

I only did kimkins for 3 months and never went to the very low extremes with it. I was a bit defiant about the low fat, but my calories were still way too low 800-900 and I did do K/E a lot. I really thought I was getting enough fat at 50-60 grams per day...apparently not.

God, I wish you all and any one lurking here still doing kimkins could see my hair up close. It looks so bad that I for sure can't leave it out and I can't even put it in a pony tail because it's so thin and frizzy it looks ridiculous. I have to put it into a bun or a a clip.

I have a hair appt next week, but I AM going to try and get a good picture before then.

After I lost all of my weight (on Atkins eating a good amt of calories and carbs-- NEVER below 1200 cals and rarely below 30 carbs), my hair was very thin and stringy. I also had thyroid removal in 2002 prior to starting LC. In 2004 I quit relaxing my hair and shaved it all down like a boy. I love the cut SO MUCH that I keep it. I get it shaved down once a month. But you can take Biotin 5000mcg and it has thickened my hair ALOT! There are biotin threads on here, one that cheri started too. But you should get the 5000mcg dose.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by losingjusme

anyone have the URL to the TOS? can we look them up on the wayback machine?

I don't have it..... maybe someone else has access to it.
She can change her TOS all she wants but it doesn't change the fact that the previous members agreed to her original TOS which was totally different than the one she has up now. She is still responsible for members who agreed to a much more liberal TOS IMHO.

[CarolinaRocker]

Originally Posted by CJane

Wow, I guess I'd better get my entry in for my famous egg white and Pam wonder meal. I mean seriously, with what's allowed how can anyone be too terribly original and creative? Just sayin'.

I have a great one... cup of lettuce (loosely packed mind you) with 1 TBS of fat free ranch on top and a side of one chicken breast tender boiled to perfection.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by CJane

Wow, I guess I'd better get my entry in for my famous egg white and Pam wonder meal. I mean seriously, with what's allowed how can anyone be too terribly original and creative? Just sayin'.

What is the reward for the best recipe? I must have missed that.....

[AllieCat0817]

I am really hoping it is not considered 'making fun' of Heidi being fat by saying:
I find it ironic how she used to DOG people out for liking Atkins and their 'greasy cheeseburgers', and tell them 'fine, stay fat', when she herself is heavy. That isn't making fun, it is stating what is so IRONIC about the whole freakin thing. How dare she tell somebody 'fine stay fat' when she is herself and can't stick to her own starvation plan!

I feel sorry for the chick honestly. She is apparently one miserable soul.

So hopefully we can still express our anger and frustration about her dogging out Fatkins and the fatties who do Atkins and eat greazy cheeseburgers, given her own situation. Please. How many people has she ticked off with that?? A ton.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I don't remember seeing this posted before and I just now saw this on debgiordano's blog. Hope it's OK to post and am hoping it is, because this is important information:

"I am investigating a potential class action lawsuit regarding the alleged Kimkins fraud. I am an attorney and a member of the California Health Fraud task Force. My name is John Tiedt and you can reach me at 951 343 3320 if you have any specific information about the alleged fraud against Kimkins.
Posted by: John Tiedt September 07, 2007 at 02:21 PM"

Confessions of a Jersey Girl: My Thoughts on Kimkins

This is my guy! Please contact him, he's amazing!

[Katinsac]

Tired of Lurking...and if you are wondering, yes, I am the katinsac that Becky (littlebit) referes to in her blog.

I posted the same pictures that appear here in a thread on the snatty site about 3 weeks after starting the K/E plan. It was a very innocent question by a group of us ladies who had bonded on a thread and were just wondering of the lady in the red dress was the same as we could not tell and we wanted to know who it was we were following advice from.

No, we were not banned (and up until now, still not banned). It was right after Kiki and Cutie were banned for their same comments (however, I believe they made them privately...could be wrong). I think the reason we were not banned was that Becky wanted to apologize for her comments she made in the thread. So Kimmer just moved our thread and sent us some nasty e-mails where we knew she had been reading our PMs.

At first we had no clue there were other sites where this was being questioned. Well, we soon found out and I have kept up on this and read every comment from the beginning.

We immediatly exchanged our e-mails and moved to another site where we chould communicate without the threat of being questioned and our PMs being read. I myself had little problems with the plan but I did tweek it with more fat so that is probably why. I had done Atkins years ago and knew it worked for me. I never could get my fat below 40-50%. Therefore, I really did not do Kimkins. I did get my calories down to 100 one day and a lot of the time 300. I realized real soon there was something wrong with this. Yes, I wasn't hungry and it was great. But....I knew that that was too low. I started to "try" to add cals and fat to up them. It was very difficult. The no hunger and only eat when you were hungry was very nice. I did gain a few pounds at first and it took about 2-3 weeks to start losing it again. One of our ladies got really sick. Maybe some day she will come tell everyone.

WE have all moved on to other ways of losing our weight that works for us. We are not losing fast but we are losing and we are healthier.

We were the lucky ones. We realized right away that something was not right in Denmark! I feel for those who are still supporting that WOE. Yes, starvation works. Yes, you will lose your weight fast. No, you will not be healthy in the long run. Please, get out while you can. No one should have to watch their P's & Q's just to lose weight. We loved the threads and the people too. There are other sites were you can bond again. We did, you can too.

Sorry this is so long.

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Hi Kat, it's good to see you here...

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by AllisonB

It is possible to recover (some) data following a reformat, though the data will most likely be highly corrupted. The only way to be sure you have permanently destroyed data is to reformat the drive, run an electro-magnet over the disk, and then use a drill to drill holes through the platters. Even then, I would throw it in a fire, and then throw the remains into the middle of the ocean

Well, since she uses a server farm, owned by another company, that's not likely to happen

[Ailuros]

Someone has just posted a copy of a new resignation post on Ducky's blog (KK exposed) - in the comments to the Scrambling for the Door article.

[emeraldskye]

Originally Posted by AllisonB

It is possible to recover (some) data following a reformat, though the data will most likely be highly corrupted. The only way to be sure you have permanently destroyed data is to reformat the drive, run an electro-magnet over the disk, and then use a drill to drill holes through the platters. Even then, I would throw it in a fire, and then throw the remains into the middle of the ocean

I'm sure "she" appreciates the tips.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

I am really hoping it is not considered 'making fun' of Heidi being fat by saying:
I find it ironic how she used to DOG people out for liking Atkins and their 'greasy cheeseburgers', and tell them 'fine, stay fat', when she herself is heavy. That isn't making fun, it is stating what is so IRONIC about the whole freakin thing. How dare she tell somebody 'fine stay fat' when she is herself and can't stick to her own starvation plan!

I feel sorry for the chick honestly. She is apparently one miserable soul.

So hopefully we can still express our anger and frustration about her dogging out Fatkins and the fatties who do Atkins and eat greazy cheeseburgers, given her own situation. Please. How many people has she ticked off with that?? A ton.

Amen!

[Katinsac]

Those of you who have kept the TOS copies. Do you know if the June 07 TOS' mentioned the ebook? Unfortunatly, I didn't read them, nor copied them. Thanks

[Mariasol]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Those of you who have kept the TOS copies. Do you know if the June 07 TOS' mentioned the ebook? Unfortunatly, I didn't read them, nor copied them. Thanks

The promise of an ebook was just there until 8/31/2006!

[mom2zeke]

Originally Posted by KajunDC

WOW... I had a ton of reading to do to catch up on everything that is going on. I don't get to the boards too often anymore - we are slammed at the office everyday now and I just don't have the down time - and I've obviously missed alot.

But I have definitely enjoyed catching up on all this. It is wonderful to know that everything I suspected about Kimmer is true. And, of course, I knew going in that everything I suspected about kimkins diet was true. I'm glad to see so many people that I and others tried to warn against kimkins have seen the truth and are moving on to something healthy. I just hope that no long term or permanent damage was done to your health. And I empathize with all of you that put your faith in someone who has turned out to be such a huge (no pun intended) fraud. I hope she goes down hard for this but I fear with all the advance warning she is getting, she may just disappear.

For those who still defend both the person and the diet, all I can say is that I hope you jump out of the way before that big light (train) runs you over. I can understand that some have to learn the hard way... I just would not want to sacrifice my health learning it.

As I've always said - if you want FAST weight loss - there is nothing faster than liposuction - even faster than kimkins But if you want HEALTHY FAT loss, then a healthy diet with regular exercise is the ONLY way.



Yours in Good Health,

KDC

KajunDC - I'm so glad you posted. I remember back when Heidi was such a prolific poster you were often fighting the good fight against her. Since the thread started I've hoped that you had seen it and all of the information that's come to light about her.

I have to say, as someone who was also frustrated and suspicious about Kimmer, it's satisfying to have your suspicions confirmed. That doesn't often happen in real life.

I am sad, however, that she was able to convince people to follow her plan based on deceit and that people have gotten hurt. I truly hope she is made to answer for her actions in court.

[mom2zeke]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

One thing that this whole experience has taught me is that people really do live under that stigma of being fat. I am fat, 247 pounds last I weighed, but it just may be different in the black community. It's not the end of the world or anything. I am completely over beating myself up about it at all. I am me, thin or big. I want to lose weight and I am losing weight, but the only difference it is going to make in my life is in what size I wear/how healthy I am.

The way that people like Heidi and other quick weight loss scams work is by playing upon our self-hatred. There's a multi-billion dollar industry that feeds into our desperation to get thin at any cost. If you're choosing your eating and exercise plans out of self-love, it's easier to make good choices.

Unfortunately, the message is out there that being fat is inherently dangerous. People like Heidi use that message to justify unhealthy practices and sell their scams. I think that Tooter said it best - "It's a journey to health, not a race to be thin." A corollary to this is that health comes in many different shapes and sizes, not just an unrealistic cultural ideal.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by anani

Well I was just about in tears today. I have had to concede that I have no choice now but to get my hair cut...short. I mentioned a while back that I had lost quite a bit, but have been noticing lately how unhealthy it's been looking. Today after I washed and blow dried it, I was horrified. Freshly washed hair usually looks shiny and bouncy..today my hair had no shine and looked horrible and then I noticed that it as become brittle and there are whole sections that have broken off. I keep my hair tied back a lot for work and don't wash it every day, so I hadn't noticed before.

I tried to take a picture to post here (someone ealier accused no one of having pictures as proof) but I have such a lousy web cam.
The picture on my avitar was taken right around the time I started Kimkins in April. I had really nice healthy hair then and had been lowcarbing for well over a year. I work in the cosmetics industry so have always done a lot of stuff to keep my hair healthy.

I only did kimkins for 3 months and never went to the very low extremes with it. I was a bit defiant about the low fat, but my calories were still way too low 800-900 and I did do K/E a lot. I really thought I was getting enough fat at 50-60 grams per day...apparently not.

God, I wish you all and any one lurking here still doing kimkins could see my hair up close. It looks so bad that I for sure can't leave it out and I can't even put it in a pony tail because it's so thin and frizzy it looks ridiculous. I have to put it into a bun or a a clip.

I have a hair appt next week, but I AM going to try and get a good picture before then.

I just wanted to give you a big . I'm having the same issue. I also was thinking about cutting my hair yesterday as I took my kids for haircuts. Instead I bought some Nioxin to add to what I'm already doing. My hair is rather long but underneath, I have little patches of bald spots. It's horrifying.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by HBGal

I just wanted to give you a big . I'm having the same issue. I also was thinking about cutting my hair yesterday as I took my kids for haircuts. Instead I bought some Nioxin to add to what I'm already doing. My hair is rather long but underneath, I have little patches of bald spots. It's horrifying.

That's awful to hear! I hope the Nioxin helps out.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by HBGal

I just wanted to give you a big . I'm having the same issue. I also was thinking about cutting my hair yesterday as I took my kids for haircuts. Instead I bought some Nioxin to add to what I'm already doing. My hair is rather long but underneath, I have little patches of bald spots. It's horrifying.

That is just so sad ..... Just remember that if you are not planning on having more children you can take the higher strength.... My doctor told me that the Men's strength is fine for women with that one exception (childbirth).....

[HBGal]

Thanks, girls. I bought the kind for noticeably thinning hair. They were looking at me funny at the salon but they have no idea how my hair was before or what was hiding under the low ponytail. So with the Nioxin, I'm also using a biotin shampoo (which I use before the Nioxin), taking Omega 3-6-9 (3x daily) and 5mg of biotin (2x daily) ... and a mutlivitamin that also has biotin in it. that it works fast! I was so disgusted last night after washing my hair. I lost a bunch in the shower and then after coming it through, the sink is full of hair. I saved it to show my husband. I lost hair with Atkins, but not like this. I never restricted my calories with Atkins so this, it's just a nightmare.

[ixtapacheryl]

This was just posted on Kimkins Exposed:

CASA Needs Woman’s World Article

Saturday, September 15th, 2007 in kimkins fraud, Kimkins Diet, kimkins controversy, kimkins dieting, kimkins members, kimkins admins, Kimkins.com, Heidi Diaz, CASA, children, Fast Weight Loss, Kimkins, Kimmer, Articles

We’ve been asked to let readers know that Barbara Hofman at the Riverside Satellite office of CASA is seeking a copy of the June 12 article Better than Gastric Bypass, published in Woman’s World.

Anyone with a copy of this article, please fax it to Barbara Hofman at (951) 358-4302.

You may call her with additional information at (951) 358-4305.

Thank you!