Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[jpatti]

Originally Posted by sammymomma

I am not a snitch or mole, no investigating needed on me. Please just ask me. I am a member of both sites , for a long time. You all know that. You know I dont agree with you all . why pick on me and single me out?

I agree. You've always been straightforward about being a Kimmer supporter. Nothing "molish" about that; it's direct honesty.

[Boujie]

Wettybauer - I remember you from here YEARS ago! We talked a fair bit in fun on the PG.

I'm so surprised that you're backing such a proven fraud

While unlike most, I don't care if people follow her diet - we're adults. It's your decision and no one elses...what I DO care about is how she is defrauding people and the government (rest assured, she's NOT paying a dime in taxes). She's not who she says she is.

In my book, that's enough to leave in a blaze of glory. She doesn't care about anyone, except to make money. She's a scam artist, and has been for years.

[Jazlyn]

Hope you didnt take it I was questioning you? I know you have alot of people who seem to be on your side, and turn. I wont. I want to be one of the ones who in the end say"I never doubted"[/quote]


It's sad that people who are seeking kimmer's support are so worried about "questioning" her. If you have nothing to hide why worry about answering a few questions?

[boogie]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

Hope you didnt take it I was questioning you? I know you have alot of people who seem to be on your side, and turn. I wont. I want to be one of the ones who in the end say"I never doubted"

It's sad that people who are seeking kimmer's support are so worried about "questioning" her. If you have nothing to hide why worry about answering a few questions?[/quote]

This is exactly why I don't understand the continued devotion.

[losingjusme]

Originally Posted by JustKim

dang you think I would learn not to post anything here.

did i miss something??

you are wonderful!!

[Mimosa23]

Originally Posted by boogie

This is exactly why I don't understand the continued devotion.

Sometimes we don't WANT to see what's right under our noses.... Sad, but true...

[boogie]

Originally Posted by teri f

sammymomma--if you don't agree with us, why are you here? I'm here because I can't wait to see that nasty person taken down. She's a fraud and a liar among other things. I wouldn't waste a nickel of my hard earned money or a minute of my time on her site to read some more of her insane crap. I read enough of it when she over ran LCF.

If you are hanging around here thinking that your one-liners will change our minds, I think I'm pretty safe in speaking for most of us here in telling you it ain't gonna happen.

If you ever come to your senses and see her for what she really is, or you happen to fly across her radar and she zaps you with the "ban" button, you will always be welcome here.

WE are not the bad guys. Honest.

You are speaking for me!

[Katinsac]

Kk suporters and refugees are all welcome here...oh, and don't forget Moles too!! We are not against anyone but Kimmer who is obviously a con artist and has and will hurt many in the end. You can chose any WOE that you want, just remember, if it turns out to be one that is dangerious...it was your choice. There are many people out there that have never heard of vLCD's and the dangers of it and like someone said way back when this started...the damage may not show up right away. If we can save even on person from going through this then this is all worth it. Just my 2 cents.

[Katinsac]

Before this thread gets to 110 pages when I get back today, I have a quick question (or is that a quack question, lol). How do you get your post to come right after one you are trying to comment to? If I go to the quick reply at the bottom or the quick reply to this message, mine still goes to the last thread...am I doing something wrong or is this how it works...hope I am not thread jacking here.

[jeanessa]

What bothers me about some of this is one thing.

The frickin' debating going on.

This is not a debate. I don't want to debate anything. I want the facts here. Having spoken myself directly to Heidi's family members to learn about her psychotic history of scams, lies and threats of violence and piecing together things that she has said and having been a member of Kimkins and seen the routine 500 calorie-or-less eating going on and validated/encouraged by Kimmer, I know something's wrong.

It's not rocket science.

1 + 1 = 2

Anything else is delusion.

[sammymomma]

there have just been so many things that 1 says is fact and EVERYONE runs with it...I guess I need more proof....

Thats all.

I will not die for kimmer, I dont work for kimmer....i just dont like the way some things are done here- thats where the doubt comes from....
Thats it...nothing hidden, nothing molish going on!!!!


I am not the one you all need to be digging into- really- no connection here. It is time wasted. And the fact that you are makes me question all the other investigations.

Thats it. I have been a member since 2003...I have a right to say how I feel as much as you all do...nothing personal.
Lisa J( and really...NOT Jackson!!!)

[Rose1271]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Before this thread gets to 110 pages when I get back today, I have a quick question (or is that a quack question, lol). How do you get your post to come right after one you are trying to comment to? If I go to the quick reply at the bottom or the quick reply to this message, mine still goes to the last thread...am I doing something wrong or is this how it works...hope I am not thread jacking here.

That's just how it works. Posts are always at the end of the thread. If you want your response to coincide w/ a particular post, quote it first.
HTH!

[CJane]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

What bothers me about some of this is one thing.

The frickin' debating going on.

This is not a debate. I don't want to debate anything. I want the facts here. Having spoken myself directly to Heidi's family members to learn about her psychotic history of scams, lies and threats of violence and piecing together things that she has said and having been a member of Kimkins and seen the routine 500 calorie-or-less eating going on and validated/encouraged by Kimmer, I know something's wrong.

It's not rocket science.

1 + 1 = 2

Anything else is delusion.

BINGO! There is nothing to debate, IMO.

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

What bothers me about some of this is one thing.

The frickin' debating going on.

This is not a debate. I don't want to debate anything. I want the facts here. Having spoken myself directly to Heidi's family members to learn about her psychotic history of scams, lies and threats of violence and piecing together things that she has said and having been a member of Kimkins and seen the routine 500 calorie-or-less eating going on and validated/encouraged by Kimmer, I know something's wrong.

It's not rocket science.

1 + 1 = 2

Anything else is delusion.

Bravo!

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by Pokey1168

That's just how it works. Posts are always at the end of the thread. If you want your response to coincide w/ a particular post, quote it first.
HTH!

Thanks Rosie!!

[GinaC]

Sammymomma used to post at LCF as wettybauercarbaholic. I would like to draw your attention to this thread and pay particular attention to post #5 made by sammymomma and post #8 which speaks to wettybauer.

I agree that she is no mole, she's too in your face with her KK support.

[IdreamofLean]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Thanks Rosie!!

push the quote button at the bottom of the box you are reading.

You will get a box with the smileyes and the box to type text etc etc. Do not delete anything, just start typing after the text that is already there.

Click submit at the bottom and Voila

HTH

[mom2zeke]

Originally Posted by sammymomma

there have just been so many things that 1 says is fact and EVERYONE runs with it...I guess I need more proof....

Thats all.

I will not die for kimmer, I dont work for kimmer....i just dont like the way some things are done here- thats where the doubt comes from....
Thats it...nothing hidden, nothing molish going on!!!!


I am not the one you all need to be digging into- really- no connection here. It is time wasted. And the fact that you are makes me question all the other investigations.

Thats it. I have been a member since 2003...I have a right to say how I feel as much as you all do...nothing personal.
Lisa J( and really...NOT Jackson!!!)

Hi Lisa,
I just wanted to say that I agree you have a right to your opinion and also not to believe everything that others say. I believe that what happened with Kimmer is a result of people believing without questioning.

That being said, if you've been here since 2003 then you've seen Kimmer in action for many years. You can't tell me that there weren't doubts and/or red flags waving long ago.

I know when you think people have an agenda it's hard to believe what they have to say. I've looked at the credible evidence and testimony and it only confirms the suspicions I had long ago. Maybe my suspicions color my belief in the evidence. What I will say is that a paid, licensed, private detective has everything to lose by falsifying pictures and really nothing to gain. I may not be 100% sure about the foster kid situation (California is a huge state with lots of conflicting agencies and it wouldn't surprise me if Heidi was able to finagle a foster kid or two by working the system to her advantage). And testimony of ex's reflects old, failed relationships, so they are also subject to closer scrutiny. But the pictures are real, undeniable, evidence that Heidi is not who she claimed to be and once that is established, every other thing she said is now questionable.

The biggest red flag for me with Kimmer was always the claim that she lost the weight so quickly and was able to maintain easily without any problems below the weight she wanted to be. I've never met a successful long-term weight loss maintainer either in person or online who would ever make such a claim. Maintenance is as hard or harder than weight loss, and if you're successful it lasts a whole lot longer. The lack of any maintenance plan or even any concern that maintenance might be a problem was a big tip off that something was not right in the kimpire.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

What bothers me about some of this is one thing.

The frickin' debating going on.

This is not a debate. I don't want to debate anything. I want the facts here. Having spoken myself directly to Heidi's family members to learn about her psychotic history of scams, lies and threats of violence and piecing together things that she has said and having been a member of Kimkins and seen the routine 500 calorie-or-less eating going on and validated/encouraged by Kimmer, I know something's wrong.

It's not rocket science.

1 + 1 = 2

Anything else is delusion.

I agree ..... so let's just agree as a whole that when someone comes here and wants to debate we just ignore the post or have a "canned" reply. END of discussion - simple as that. Sounds like a plan to me!

[boogie]

Originally Posted by mom2zeke

Hi Lisa,
I just wanted to say that I agree you have a right to your opinion and also not to believe everything that others say. I believe that what happened with Kimmer is a result of people believing without questioning.

That being said, if you've been here since 2003 then you've seen Kimmer in action for many years. You can't tell me that there weren't doubts and/or reg flags waving long ago.

I know when you think people have an agenda it's hard to believe what they have to say. I've looked at the credible evidence and testimony and it only confirms the suspicions I had long ago. Maybe my suspicions color my belief in the evidence. What I will say is that a paid, licensed, private detective has everything to lose by falsifying pictures and really nothing to gain. I may not be 100% sure about the foster kid situation (California is a huge state with lots of conflicting agencies and it wouldn't surprise me if Heidi was able to finagle a foster kid or two by working the system to her advantage). And testimony of ex's reflects old, failed relationships, so they are also subject to closer scrutiny. But the pictures are real, undeniable, evidence that Heidi is not who she claimed to be and once that is established, every other thing she said is now questionable.

The biggest red flag for me with Kimmer was always the claim that she lost the weight so quickly and was able to maintain easily without any problems below the weight she wanted to be. I've never met a successful long-term weight loss maintainer either in person or online who would ever make such a claim. Maintenance is as hard or harder than weight loss, and if you're successful it lasts a whole lot longer. The lack of any maintenance plan or even any concern that maintenance might be a problem was a big tip off that something was not right in the kimpire.

I too have been here long enough to remember how it was and while all this new info is incredible, I am not all that surprised because of the feelings I was having all the while.

I also agree that maintenance is just as hard as losing weight!!! To think she made people pay her for her knowledge on how to do just that, lose weight and keep it off like her when the whole thing was made up!!!

[mama MIA]

I got this off another site.

Hello all,
mY name is Lisa Johnson. I am not hiding anything. My 2 usernames are wettybauer99 and sammymomma. I am not a mole, I merely do what others do, relay info.
I am not comletely banned at lcf, moderators just review my posts befoe I can post them. I asked them today to completely remove my account. I have been a member for many years there and they have always been supportive. The members used to be fun. Years ago , we used to have alot of fun on the playground. I belonged to a group where the group began with "snobby" I was snobby peewee if anyone remembered. Thats when I was doning full Atkins. I belonged over there. I was a friend and met other people and was considered a friend....as long as I didnt disagree.

Truly. There are Many othere people who do not post at all on the Kimmer thread, and some who do, who are supportive people.

Well I have been hurt by the same people who considered me a friend as long as I agreed with them. I simply refuse to agree and go with the flow. I still find some of their post funny and harmless and they have a right to feel the way they do. There are a bunch of really great people over there. I think the hate and anger is really swallowing them up.

Please leave me alone. I am merely a member with a point of view and fel the way I do because I have a right to.

Thank you
Lisa J

[mom2zeke]

Originally Posted by boogie

I too have been here long enough to remember how it was and while all this new info is incredible, I am not all that surprised because of the feelings I was having all the while.

That's the thing isn't it, the revelations just aren't that surprising to many people who frequented these boards while Kimmer ruled the ML.

I really want to thank all the great detectives for gathering this information and (hopefully) putting a stop to the lies - or at least bringing them out into the open. On a personal level, it's gratifying to get to see the truth about something you've suspected for a long time. It doesn't often happen (especially on the internet) and I'm really grateful to all of the super sleuths here for making it happen.

[SoHappy]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

It's not rocket science.

1 + 1 = 2

Anything else is delusion.

Some people's brains just don't work that way though....can't analyze, really can't go thru all the steps to think it out and see a picture. Remember, the average of IQ intelligence is only 100. So people really do think differently sometimes.

A jury at a murder trial can have one person who refuses to vote guilty because they didn't actually SEE the accused pull the trigger with their own eyes! Even if they would shown video footage of the murder happening, they would think the tape had been staged. Despite having been provided with evidence from here to the moon, they can't actually connect the dots and bring their minds to actually understand what they have been shown.

And then, of course, there are those who can't change their stated public views now at this late date. Something deep within them thinks they would loose face if they did, and they would rather go to their grave than feel they'd lost face. They would rather be thought a fool than admit they'd been fooled.

[JaneyDoe]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

I got this off another site.

It sounds to me like she is scared that Ducky's site might focus on her and expose something.

[boogie]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

I got this off another site.

Well, I am sorry she [you] feels this way. When you come to a thread that is clearly not for support of the KK plan what do you expect to get when you are closing your eyes to