Why the fascination with Kimmer? #2

[Pleiades]

Originally Posted by PaminKY

I just read on MSNBC that Kevin Trudeau is in trouble with the FDC for touting his Natural Weight Loss book that advocates a 500 calories diet along with injections of some kind of supplement.

When I went to visit my MIL a few months ago, she kept telling me about this guy who had all the diet answers "they" didn't want you to know. She was certain it would work for her (when she couldn't stick to any other WOE she ever tried ) and I remembered Kevin being mentioned here a few times. Even after I showed her articles that said he was a scammer, she still wanted to try it

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

Kimmer hasn't posted at all today. Think she is packing...or driving?

I think she's posting as someone else. Or multiple other people.

*back to lurking*

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by jayed

I think she's posting as someone else. Or multiple other people.

*back to lurking*

Why didn't I think of that?

Amazing weight loss by the way!!!

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

Why didn't I think of that?

Amazing weight loss by the way!!!

Thanks. Unfortunately, it was due to that freak show's starvation diet.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Peony

Actually when I was in college in the 60's we followed a diet called the Royal Canadian Air Force Diet. It was almost identical to Atkins.

My mother did the RCAF Diet back then, when I was a child. It was a good plan, and indeed similar to Atkins. She's an Atkinser as well now.

I think we still have a copy of it somewhere...I'll have to see if I can dig it up. I will not be selling it for $60 a pop, however.

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by jayed

Thanks. Unfortunately, it was due to that freak show's starvation diet.

You still did a great job

ETA: I just checked out your blog. More (((HUGS))) for you.

[abbymommy]

I still want to know how the photo of "Kimmer" in the white blouse fits into all of this. This was the "after" photo she used for years at LCF and the one I always pictured her as before we learned the truth.

Too bad her "after" photo turned out to mean "after" I make up a fake identity and steal someone else's photo!

As far as Kimmer's current minions, in my opinion they are now just as guilty of lying and cheating as she is. To clearly see the truth and choose to say and act otherwise is either a strange form of self-denial or complete lack of moral character. Either way it is wrong.

[CarolynF]

I don't think that picture was even her..If she has "no hair", that girl had lots of hair and I think eyebrows. The only pictures that can be verified are the blue sweater one, the white flowered one and the PI ones..The "other" ones aren't probably even her.

[jayed]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

You still did a great job

ETA: I just checked out your blog. More (((HUGS))) for you.

Thanks!

Someone on another forum posted a very plausible theory of Heidi ditching "Kimmer" and claiming ignorance to the authorities. I know she's given herself away in the past on these boards but she may think she can talk her way out of it. That's why I think she has already set up her new identity on the forum and that person will end up taking over when "Kimmer" leaves.

[Ailuros]

All these identities won't matter to an official investigation - they can just follow the money. Which was paid to Heidi.

[Doodle_in_MA]

Originally Posted by jayed

Thanks!

Someone on another forum posted a very plausible theory of Heidi ditching "Kimmer" and claiming ignorance to the authorities. I know she's given herself away in the past on these boards but she may think she can talk her way out of it. That's why I think she has already set up her new identity on the forum and that person will end up taking over when "Kimmer" leaves.

Do you think you know who it is? It does sound like a possible theory. Like I said before, nothing would surprise me now. I saw a poster over there with links to Christin, Becky and Deni's blogs right in his/her signature...now that is one smart cookie

[AllieCat0817]

This is what Tippy had to say about the foster kid thing.
#1
#2

[AllieCat0817]

A current Kimkins forum member just sent me the following message and said it was ok to post it. The person doesn't want to post on this thread (yet)....

I don't want to post because I'm still a member at KK and I want to leave in my own time not when that person (?) bans me. I've read the whole long thread from the beginning.

This is a woman (I don't even have to go in there to know) called Fawn who has a journal there called "diary of a big black woman". To say she is something else is ...well I don't have the words. If I am wrong please forgive me, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Why are people going out of their way to protect and defend this person who would ban them in a minute if after all this "fawning" they ask an innocent question such as "why don't you just show us a recent pic so we can move on?" If she can ban Christin who is for all intents and purposes the face of KK and Littlebit who virtually did most of the work...what do you think she'll do for you?

When the empire finally falls I'll post and say how I really feel, as I said I want to leave on my own not when she decides to ban me. I'm angry enough I don't want to give this any more energy than I already am. Some of them over there know me by my username here even though I have a different name there.

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by HBGal

This is so disturbing.

I have a feeling who this might be ...

It's the same person who said she didn't have the money to join. She said that was grocery money for a whole week. She says she e-mailed Kimmer and that Kimmer never gave up on her. Then she was checking her credit card balances and found one that $66 availabe. She decided she could either buy groceries or join Kimkins. She joined KK. Remember that story? It's the first entry in her journal.

Originally Posted by sallyT

I think in the love letter to kimmer, maybe Heidi told the poster what to write, for damage control because obviosly she know she will be sued from reading this thread.

Nah, don't think so. Not saying it couldn't have happened. This person is a VERY prolific poster and this is typical of her posts. She posts all over the place, always encouraging and cheering people on. Her writing is a hoot. I read part of her journal and found her quite enjoyable to read. I got to know her a little bit since she posted some on the challenge I was part of, even tho she was much younger than any of the rest of us. I really think she came up with it on her own.

ETA: Allie posted the above while I was checking my facts! Yep, that would be her and I don't care if I'm banned. She still has to figure out who I am to do it.

[tiggerr]

A response on Christins blog

I am closely following what is going on regarding the Kimkins "hidden" diet agenda. I am frustrated because almost everyone that is against the diet and feels that it is too low calorie is also at or almost at goal, having done so with the Kimkins or KE diet.

Those people would be where? For sure not at KK.

I don't want to be so foolish as to say that I want to ignore the warnings but I have not been able to stick to a diet for close to 18 years.
A lot of people have experienced the same thing.

WHY, if more than a few people experienced the same doubts do they not STOP?
Is it the desperation to lose weight fast?

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by Brutie

The Diet Delusion, is that the name of it?

In the US it's Good Calories, Bad Calories....out end of this month; in the UK I think it's The Diet Delusion....out January 2008?

[mycattaz]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Once again hair loss and menstrual irregularities can be from any type of weight loss program not just Kimkins. I am not a Kimkins fan or follower but this is just scientific fact.

I agree... since starting Atkins in January, I have went from having regular periods to having them every few months.... also the hair loss..... since starting atkins hair loss was alot... but I started taking biotin 5000 and its working for me....

[mycattaz]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Funny that's the first thing I was taught after WLS surgery by a licensed nutritionist and a medical doctor. Also was told that estrogen is stored in fat and when rapidly burning fat this estrogen is released into the bloodstream and for some women changes in TOM can occur and you are also more fertile at this time. As I stated I am not a Kimkins follower. Where did you say your medical degree was from?

I too have been taught this for year.... Not a kimmer follower here, just facts.... Yes Kimkins does this, but so does other diets.....

[mycattaz]

Changes in diet can sometimes lead to hair loss
Tuesday, September 13, 2005
By Tara Parker-Pope, The Wall Street Journal

Dieters hoping to lose weight are discovering they're losing something else -- their hair.

The little-talked-about secret of the dieting industry is that a successful diet can also trigger hair loss. As Americans struggle with obesity and tackle countless fad diets, some dermatologists say they are increasingly hearing complaints from perplexed dieters about thinning hair.

After Esther Sokol, a New York City records manager, lost nine pounds on the Atkins diet a few years ago, her hairdresser noticed her usually thick hair was beginning to thin. It was only after talking with doctors and hair experts that she learned her diet was the likely culprit.

"Diet was the only major change I'd made," says Ms. Sokol.

Hair loss can be triggered by a variety of factors including pregnancy, stress, surgery and age-related hormonal changes, to name a few. But few people realize that weight loss can also cause hair to shed, likely due to a nutritional deficiency. Although iron deficiency is often associated with diet-related hair loss, a range of nutrient deficiencies can result in thinning hair, dermatologists say. Changes in levels of zinc, magnesium, protein, essential fatty acids and vitamins D, B and A can all trigger episodes of shedding hair. The problem affects both men and women, but women are more likely to notice it and seek treatment, say doctors.

The fact that so many different nutrients can be the culprit in hair loss means any diet can take a toll on the tresses.

The threat of thinning hair shouldn't discourage patients from losing weight, but it should convince them to avoid fad, quick-reduction diets, says Wilma Bergfeld, head of clinical research for the department of dermatology at the Cleveland Clinic. Such diets often lack proper nutrition, and rapid weight loss in itself is a stress on the body and can also trigger metabolism changes that affect hair growth.

For hair health, doctors say the best weight-loss plans are reduced-calorie diets that promote gradual weight loss with healthful foods from all of the food groups. Diets low in protein and iron, such as vegetarian diets and very-low-fat diets, often result in deficiencies. But high-protein diets like Atkins that initially discourage fruits and vegetables can also trigger hair loss, says Dr. Bergfeld. The typical patient complains of thinning hair after losing about 20 pounds in a relatively short period of time, she says.

"We see it all the time," says Dr. Bergfeld. "If you start eating only one thing and you're not well balanced, you get into trouble."

A spokesman for Atkins referred questions to the company's Web site, which addresses hair loss in its frequently asked questions section, noting that any weight-loss plan can trigger hair loss. The site contends the Atkins diet is the "least likely" to cause hair loss. However, dermatologists say no scientific study has ever determined whether certain diets are more or less likely to cause hair loss.

In a healthy person, hair typically grows about an inch every two months. Hair has a three-phase life cycle -- the growing phase can last two to five years. A second, less-active phase lasts only about six weeks. A final resting phase lasts three to five months, before the hair falls out and new hair grows in. About 15 percent of hair follicles are in the resting phase at a time.

Abrupt changes in nutrition can disrupt the hair-growth cycle, causing hair follicles in the growing phase to convert to the resting phase too soon. This can mean a 20 percent to 30 percent or more increase in the number of daily hairs shed.

For many people, diet-related hair loss is temporary and may last only about two to six months. Once a person starts eating a more balanced diet, hair eventually comes back. In some people it may take one to two years to regain a full head of hair, dermatologists say.

Some dieters aren't even that lucky. A hair-shedding episode triggered by dieting may become a chronic problem if the dieter has a genetic predisposition for thinning hair, says Dr. Bergfeld and other doctors. In addition, hair loss triggered by dieting can be exacerbated by hormonal changes, stress or medications -- sending patients into a chronic cycle of hair shedding.

Ms. Sokol says she stopped the diet and has since regained the weight -- but her hair has never recovered. She says that if she had been aware of the link between weight loss and hair loss she probably wouldn't have tried the diet.

Dermatologists say they often advise dieters to take a multivitamin with iron and keep weight loss to a pace of one to two pounds a week. Dieters with a family history of thinning hair or baldness should be especially careful about proper nutrition and slow weight loss. Patients considering obesity surgery, which often results in rapid weight loss, should also talk to their doctor about ways to protect their hair.

[Doodle_in_MA]

There was another goodbye post on KK (Casey...something) when I left to go to dinner with my husband. When I got back...POOF it was gone!

Oh and now they are posting pictures of Catherine's husband and saying that they could turn around and investigate him. Anything to get everyone off Heidi's case!

[lisabinil]

Originally Posted by mycattaz

I too have been taught this for year.... Not a kimmer follower here, just facts.... Yes Kimkins does this, but so does other diets.....

Thank you so much-I wasn't making up what medical professionals have told me.

[Piekinns]

Originally Posted by Doodle_in_MA

There was another goodbye post on KK (Casey...something) when I left to go to dinner with my husband. When I got back...POOF it was gone!

Oh and now they are posting pictures of Catherine's husband and saying that they could turn around and investigate him. Anything to get everyone off Heidi's case!

What, Catherine's husband is now selling a starvation diet ....that he doesn't follow?

He has fake foster kids and is begging money for the precious tykes?

What has he done?......SHOW ME THE FRAUD

m'kay.....sarcasm over

[KarenG]

Originally Posted by Leashy

I asked her... waiting for response.

Thanks! Looking forward to her reply!

Oh, another thing...I tried to search for Dennis Sharp's MySpace page and couldn't find it. Had it been taken down?

[zelia]

Originally Posted by FirmJuneBug

And yes, you're right, it must be Banting and that was the research from the early 1900's that Atkins was talking about.

William Banting (1797 – 1878) was an obese society undertaker and funeral director in London. One of his doctors suggested restricting sugar and starches. Banting lost weight on this diet. In 1862, Banting published his own experience -- i.e., anecdotal evidence -- in his Letter on Corpulence. Mike Eades recently blogged on Banting's Letter on Corpulence.

The History of Dieting
"His obesity had been cured but the British Medical Association immediately attacked this approach, and because Banting was not a scientist, claimed that it had no scientific value and would not work for others. The public however were impressed, and people all over the English speaking world read of his plan and lost weight themselves, not caring about the doubters. So popular did it prove to be, that it was translated into other languages and thus spread even wider."