Shake It UP to Shake it DOWN (Daily Weigh-in for Low-Carb Tweakers)

[Hopefultobemomtomax]

Originally Posted by OurLuvsFromAbove

so i gained my 2lbs back that i lost yesterday.. I had sashimi with soysauce and a small cup of miso soup last night.. I think the salt might have made me retain some water.. not to mention that I have had my period for a bit over 3 weeks..
I can see it is going to be a huge issue for me to get down to 170lbs..
I dont really want to do a refeed yet, I would like to be down to like 160 before I think of doing a refeed..

I know people on kimkins do water fasts.. I myself have juice fasted, done the master cleanse and day or 2 water fasts..

Has anyone ever done a protein shake fast? I was thinking about maybe having 3 shakes a day for the weekend, to maybe get the scale moving again..
anyone have any imput? any ideas hints etc??

XOXO
Kerry

I cant wait to read what everyones imputs on this is?
I dont plan on doing it long tearm, just for the weekend..

I am sure it is the salt, what plan are you doing I don't know what it really is that you ate, but I know the soy sauce has lotsa sodium and you'll have to drink a gallon of water to get rid of that. Tell me what WOE you are doing? I'll be glad to give you some input.

[OurLuvsFromAbove]

Originally Posted by Hopefultobemomtomax

I am sure it is the salt, what plan are you doing I don't know what it really is that you ate, but I know the soy sauce has lotsa sodium and you'll have to drink a gallon of water to get rid of that. Tell me what WOE you are doing? I'll be glad to give you some input.

right now im doing k/e
thats why this weekend i was thinking about doing only protein shakes, then on monday adding salads into lunch and dinner.

maybe one day of protein shakes and one day water fasting?

Kerry

[Hopefultobemomtomax]

Originally Posted by mommyxfour

Hi everyone! I am back from vacation, can I join?? I am on day 2 of very strict KE and I lost 4.4 overnight. It amazes me how quickly I started feeling better. I have one problem though, I am craving cheese. Really badly. Any suggestions? I know I will need a lot of tweaking help soon, so I was really happy to see this thread. I love seeing all the familiar people also!

Thanks Divine! I missed you!

So here is what I do, my diet everyday consists of the following:
B - 1 serving of Turkey Bacon or Canadian Bacon or Turkey Sausage 1 serving of Egg Beaters with vegies and a tsp. of shredded cheese, dill or crushed red peppers, sometimes I add in salsa.
L - Big salad with ham strips, cucs, green onions, tomatos, and spritzer. Or I make some tuna salad and put that on the salad, or I make chicken salad.
S - I eat a handful of peanuts, or a hunk of turkey or chicken.
D - Fish, Chicken, Turkey Burgers with swiss cheese, pickle relish, onions, mushrooms, I make Chicken Parm., Naked Fagitas, Ground Turkey and Cabbage, and always a small salad with dinner.
S - Diet Soda or maybe some more peanuts if needed, sometimes a tsp. of peanut butter if I can't take it anymore.

I drink atleast 124 oz. of water mixed with a bit of Crystal Light or Sugar Free Kool Aid, and then when I feel I can, I eat a free meal.

I am rarely hungry, I rarely have cravings, because I believe I let and I know myself. I eat a small bit of peanuts, and I am completly satisfied. I think it is hilarious that now what I may call a snack now is a handful of peanuts and a diet soda. I used to go to Dairy Queen and get a hot fudge brownie walnut sundae, I am so proud of myself.

Anyway, my point to all this is I follow low carb, wherein I only eat at the most 25-30 carbs per day, atleast 1000-1200 calories and my fat is only coming from the stuff I am eating the actual food, nothing added, not even oil, and it works for me so far. If you want some cheese in your diet then have some, but just enough to make it work. I can't have SF Jello, I'll eat the entire package of 6 because they are there, can't do those. So find out how much cheese you can handle and add a bit. Your WOE is going to be a trial and error for the rest of your life, well at least mine will be and you gotta practice practice practice. Hope this helps.

[Hopefultobemomtomax]

Originally Posted by OurLuvsFromAbove

right now im doing k/e
thats why this weekend i was thinking about doing only protein shakes, then on monday adding salads into lunch and dinner.

maybe one day of protein shakes and one day water fasting?

Kerry

Didn't know you could do protein shakes on k/e???? When I started with k/e I was under the impression you just ate as much lean meat and eggs you wanted. So I did that for 5 days and moved on to Kimkins, and know I do a modifed Kimkins I guess, not sure what to call what I do. I don't do protein shakes, I like to chew, and they never ever keep me full. I like to eat my food, not drink it, so I can't help you with that.

[NeedToLose2007]

Hopeful- I am so glad you posted your diet for mommyxfour. This is my second wk of low carbing and wasn't sure if I was doing this right. I have lurked all thru July so I see the weight you are losing. Your menu pretty much looks like mine. I did have some wheat thins the other day. I just couldn't help it. I have to get a bit more stricter.

Mommyxfour- my first wk I didn't eat cheese, I LOVE CHEESE so this past wk I started eating some cheese. Just a little. I buy the part skim milk string cheeses. I also will make a salad at lunch with some ham and one piece of cheese, just to make it taste better and mix it up. I like Hopeful am trying to keep the carb intake to 25-30grams a day. Again, this is only my second wk so I am new at this and struggling somewhat because I still want junk food and am fighting temtations.

[Hopefultobemomtomax]

Originally Posted by NeedToLose2007

Hopeful- I am so glad you posted your diet for mommyxfour. This is my second wk of low carbing and wasn't sure if I was doing this right. I have lurked all thru July so I see the weight you are losing. Your menu pretty much looks like mine. I did have some wheat thins the other day. I just couldn't help it. I have to get a bit more stricter.

Mommyxfour- my first wk I didn't eat cheese, I LOVE CHEESE so this past wk I started eating some cheese. Just a little. I buy the part skim milk string cheeses. I also will make a salad at lunch with some ham and one piece of cheese, just to make it taste better and mix it up. I like Hopeful am trying to keep the carb intake to 25-30grams a day. Again, this is only my second wk so I am new at this and struggling somewhat because I still want junk food and am fighting temtations.

Yes, and I have to say, I just started adding in cheese because my body can now handle it without gaining. I am 10 weeks in and have dropped 29 pounds, which astonishes me, but I am happy with 2 lb. loss in a week, I want this to last, not be a quick fix. The first 13 lbs. came off easy with k/e and was great motivation to keep going that's what I like about this. Quick first result to see a change and then kimkins, or modified kimkins, keeps me losing at a steady rate, which I believe is healthy.

[NeedToLose2007]

Hopeful - i forgot to ask you, I just ordered the Carb mix to make low carb bisquits or pancakes and a low carb pizza, I ordered it from the Netrition.com site that I found on this site.

have you tried any of that? Would you eat that yet or is that something for maintenance? It hasn't been two wks yet but sometimes, I just want some bread. I get sick of eating meat and salads and eggs.

[NeedToLose2007]

Hopeful - Congrats on your weight loss. 10 wks and 29 lbs is awesome. that is so great and I know you must feel so much better. Everyone here is such an inspiration to me. I hope I can keep it up.

[Divine Miss M]

Tippy - WOW, Wow, WOW! Are you smokin' hot in that cute little bikini! Mama mia, woman!!!! What a beautiful hour-glass figure! I wanna look like you!!!!

As for me....Grrr. I've not quite lost a whole lb. this week (up, down, up, down). So if I don't see any thing good on the blasted scale tomorrow, I'm returning to Kimkins. What with upping my fats, tweaking ala the Wendy Plan, upping my lean proteins and then lowering them, etc., I'd say my plan this past week was akin to Atkins but "not quite."

One thing is certain...my glucose has dropped considerably. With my mom home, I'm testing her glucose 3x a day and she suggested I check mine. My morning fasting was 85, but right before lunch it was down to 81. That's too low - it should have been between 110-120. So I can definitely say that upping fats a bit and having 2 cups of green veggies keeps the glucose down. (Over the past 2 days, we even got my mom's sugar down to 101 - she's always in the 300's - because I'm giving her foods like mine, but she's saying she can't stick with my kind of diet. I tried to explain that it's really HER kind of diet, and the reason I'm doing it is to get healthier, avoid the diabetes that every direct female ancestor had, and lose wt.! Poor thing, she's trying to find excuses to eat bread and other things not good for diabetics, but she cannot deny she sees how well I'm doing, how much slimmer I am, and how much more energetic, too.)

Anyway, Tippy: Thanks SO MUCH for that great reminder about switching from Atkins to Kimkins (not that I'll ever forget it). What you said is true - I haven't lost much but then I'm just about where I was 2 weeks ago, wt. wise. (By that I mean my lowest ticker wt. of 55 lbs...now it's 57.2), so I have not significantly gained.

I'll look at the past 2 weeks of shaking it up as a "diet break" as Lyle suggests it!

I miss you girls! I'll be checking in as much as I can!

[jem87]

Originally Posted by gibster

Jem - a couple pages back, Divine Miss M posted a brief description:

Shake It UP to Shake it DOWN (Daily Weigh-in for Low-Carb Tweakers)

His forum is Bodyrecomposition - Lyle McDonald. Just be forewarned that the language over there can get pretty raw.

thanks so much linda!! going to check it out now!

[stilldews]

Up one pound today to 186. Boo!! Somehow I ended up eating more calories yesterday than I planned. About 1042. 68 gm fat, 29 carbs and 91 protein. I did eat 1 TB of peanut butter and 1 oz of cheddar cheese. I think maybe both are foods I need to avoid for awhile yet. Only got in 1 TB of coconut oil. Tonight I made a soup and brought it to work with me. It had 1 can beef broth, 2.5 oz lean pork loin, 4 oz can mushrooms and a pkg of the Miracle Noodles along with garlic and other seasonins. I am not sure yet how the Miracle Noodles effect my weight. I have been having one pkg a week. I do count them as 5 carbs even though the pkg. says <1gm per oz, I eat the whole 7 oz pkg. The noodles don't have much taste, but absorb some of the broth taste and are just a nice change once in a while. Calories for the mushroom, broth and noodles only come to about 60. Then I figure the calories in the protein separately. I like to make soup with chicken and chicken broth/mushroom and noodles too.

[Tippy Toes]

Miss M, I MUST say I think you are so wise to always be shaking up the WOE. I believe chances of you hitting a lengthy stall are slim to none by doing so. The body cannot adapt if it is always being fed diffeently. So glad you started this thread and we all appreciate you sharing what your WOE is and when and how. You will help a lot of people by continuing to share. Your results just THRILL me!

What would you suggest now for me? Today I finally hit the desired 150 and want to keep it, lol! Finishing up the Kimkins round and heading to Atkinsville. Any suggestions are so appreciated.

[Divine Miss M]

Today is a maintain day. I'm not too thrilled that I didn't see a loss, BUT "A Maintain is Always better than a Gain." (Last night, I actually did 1 hr. 15 minutes of disco dancing mixed with conditioning exercises - an incredible feat for a person who could not even stand up for a few minutes just 3 months ago without being in total agony, even leaning on my cane - so that might be another reason I maintained today. And that's ok - exercise can do that, but it's a good thing.) Heaven knows I'm certainly sticking with my WOE! Yesterday's menu totals were 1,180 calories, 43 fats, 38 carbs, and 132 proteins.

I already shook up my program this past week, but it was an experiment, and I only lost .6 lb. Now I find I have to keep the WOE as I've been doing it - in that I'm upping cals between 1100-1400 (the highest, which I'll do on exercise days), slighting upping carbs for the day, and adding very small amts. of good fats (1 tsp. butter, 2 tsps. extra virgin coconut oil per day).

Reason: My blood glucose level is too low, even after eating. Calories not only have to be higher, but I need about 35-45 carbs and 40-50 fat grams per day to keep my metabolism stable. One example is yesterday's home blood glucose test (NO, I do NOT have diabetes): 3 hrs. after breakfast, my glucose was 81. The normal level, a few hrs. after eating, should be 120.

To further the health benefits, I'll also add to my exercise routine. In addition to my thrice-weekly Water Workouts, I'm going to add at least 30 minutes of "on the land" conditioning and aerobic exercises, and about 15 walking track time. So that will be 5 exercise days a week, totalling 6 hrs. a week.

By next Thursday, I will weigh-in just once week. That way I will focus only on my health benefits and trimming the inches, because the scale has a way of messing with the psyche. Thank goodness, I am aware of my success in all areas - walking without my cane, strengthening my back muscles, losing inches, standing and walking without my cane, feeling better, having more energy (most days), and now I'm dancing again! I can't believe it!

Mommyxfour:Hey, girl! I'm very glad to see you here!!!

Tippy:YOU are asking ME what to do??? I think your plan is great...going to Kimkins to drop the few extra lbs., then back to Atkins for maintenance, and then back to Kimkins. Hopefully, all the literature I've read about that kind of maintenance cycling will prove true (you're living proof of it!), and you'll see longer intervals between the cycling patterns!!!!

You know, I keep thinking of YOU and your perseverance when I get stuck like this. If it takes me longer than I expected to be at goal, it's ok as long as I keep at it...I just think of Tippy and what a WOW she is!!!

Hello to all of the Ladies who are Shakin' it UP to Shake it DOWN!!!

[Tippy Toes]

Miss M, if it makes you feel any better, I expected to lose all the weight in 2 years. I thought it was more than reasonable. Sigh. It took 3 years and 4 months. I think had I known what you know it would have been sooner. I made some mistakes, like believing my 6 month Atkins stall would break without a shake up. But YOU know what works now! I love the way you do your WOE! Where were YOU when I was stuck, lol?

Edited to add: Lots of people aske me for advice now and I keep sending them over here, telling them to pay attention to Miss M...

[Divine Miss M]

Aw, Tippy...Hon, I'm still learning as I go. I know it took you longer than you expected, but gosh - you stuck with it, despite the length of time, and that is why you're a success! I started at a higher wt. than you, and I still have 90+ lbs. to go. But I try not to look at the whole thing, just take it day by day and week by week, otherwise I'll get discouraged...

I just realized I was going to try Kimkins again today but I can't do that again, not yet...and while I'm sure I'd see a loss this week if I did so, I have to keep an eye on that glucose level. Diabetes runs in my family (mother to daughter, it seems, but now a few men in the family have it, too), and low blood sugar is just as bad as high. A year ago, a 3 hr. GTT (Glucose Tolerance Test) showed I'm insulin-resistant...the first sign of oncoming diabetes.

I refuse to have diabetes if there's any way I can stop it...I've see every day what it has done to my poor mom, and what it did to my grandmom. It makes the last 20-25 years of one's life a living hell (with weakness, serious heart problems, CAD, PAD, kidney problems, heart attacks and strokes, neuropathy, bleeding behind the eyes, etc.) and it cuts one's life span shorter than it probably would have been. I'm not going there!

Anyway, darlin' girl, thanks so very much for the support and for being the inspiration you are!!!

[Divine Miss M]

Tippy: I keep forgetting to ask you - if I may...but how tall are you? I'm asking since I want to see if my goal wt. is about right...I'm 5'8" (at least, I am in the morning!).

[Tippy Toes]

I am 5' 7".

[mommyxfour]

Hey! I am on day 3 of KE and I am down 8 lbs! I think the water is making an impact. I am much better about drinking it than I was before vacation. I do have a question though, Hopeful, you said you drink about 124 ozs. I was on LA Weight Loss before I started Kimkins this summer. They swore by no more than 80-90 ozs. Everything I have heard is the opposite of that. Especially if you are severely overweight (obese) like me. Anyone have any thoughts? They said if you hit 100 oz, it actually causes you to start to retain and then gain weight.

Divine, you are doing awesome! Thanks so much for the hello! I am glad to see you here also.

Hopeful, thanks for the tips. I actually started at the beginning of the summer and lost 20 pounds. Then I went on vacation, not a good thing! Now I have to get back down from what I gained. But I am back on strict KE for awhile and I will get there! I really love this woe, I feel better already. The only thing that worries me a little is my calories. I think I need to be better about 800-1000 at least. I am really bad about having 6 or 700 days. Oh well, I will just have to practice like you said. I don't know why I am craving cheese...maybe in a few weeks I can add some. I want to loose more than I want cheese!!

[Tippy Toes]

Meagen, I try to get in the standard 8 glasses a day but am lucky to get 6. I was surprised to see LA weight loss plan limits water. Learn new stuff all the time!

Miss M, my DH was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago. Not severe but very present. For a while he was on insulin (oral). Recently his Doc has declared he is 100% cured! We are thrilled! And, BTW, he just did Atkins. DH is NOT tough enough for K, lol! You are so on the right track! Also, are you unable to lose on just Atkins? Just curious.

[mommyxfour]

Yes, Tippy they do suggest limiting water. I went there for quite awhile and then started LC'ing. I just could not loose on their plan, maybe partly because of the water?

[Divine Miss M]

Tippy: That is absolutely wonderful that the Atkins WOE has your dh's diabetes "gone with the wind." I think Atkins works really well for diabetics, and it's especially great for men...they like to eat!

Me, I lose wt. for awhile on Atkins but I always, always stall out on it. I've done that for years, and could never get past week 4 without a true stall. So now I'm asking for your advice...

You know how I PLANNED on doing Atkins today? It didn't happen...I started with an Atkins type breakfast (2 eggs, a bit of butter), and had the menu all planned out, but I had a chance to go out to exercise.

I ended up working out for 3.5 hrs. (I have not done anything like that in almost 15 yrs!). It was 1.5 hrs. in the water (stretching, conditioning, water calisthenics), then 1 hr. with the wt. resistance machines, very light lifting of weights (for my arms), and I ended it with a 1/2 mile walk (which was quite a feat for me...for a person who, at the beginning of May, couldn't walk from her van to her front door without a cane plus help from either her dh or one of her sons, it's a real miracle!).

Anyway, I stopped at a fast-food place just before working out, since my sons were claiming hunger...I had a grilled chicken wrapped in a tortilla, sprinkled with a bit of cheddar cheese dribbled with a bit of regular ranch dressing, and 1 SF Rock Star Energy Drink. Drank water the rest of the afternoon as I worked out. Darned if that light lunch, the SF Rock Star, and the water didn't keep me going for the entire afternoon of working out!

Then I went grocery shopping (which I also found astounding that I could manage it, too, though I was tired)...came home late and jumped on the scale out of curiosity...it said I'm down 3.6 lbs. My stars!!! For dinner I had a small salad, again with grilled chicken, and regular ranch dressing, and another SF Rock Star. I feel fine...no shakes, no headaches.

I'm in shock, actually, and hope the scale is telling the truth. I was getting discouraged in seeing no real wt. loss for a month, but I kept thinking, "Tippy, Tippy, Tippy is my motivation!"

Now I don't know what to do about my low-carb WOE...with the small amts. real fats and low-carbs today, it has an Atkins touch, but with the limited amt. of proteins, it's more like Rapid Fat Loss. However, the only milk product I had today was the half-n-half in my tea. Maybe that fat-free cottage cheese was doing me in?

Today I ended up at about 59 grams of lean proteins, fats were 36, carbs 15, and calories only 661 (that seems way too low). That is definitely more of a Kimkins WOE; even with the butter and the ranch dressing today, fat grams were low. (Another example of shaking it up, I guess!)

Maybe I should do what you do, Tippy, and get right back to straight Kimkins (but I will add butter, or EVCO, or EV olive oil here and there) to get the lbs. off, and alternate with Atkins when the metabolism has to be reset!

[Divine Miss M]

Btw, Tippy, thanks for telling me your height! It looks like our body frames are very similar, so now I am certain that my goal must definitely be between 150-160.

May I also ask - did you (do you) exercise and, if so, what kind? I'm worried to pieces about shrinking down and having all this flab hanging on me...don't want that, don't want a tummy tuck if I can avoid it, either. My upper arms are annoying me...they are so slow in trimming down, just like my thighs, so I'm really working those areas, not to mention my abs.

Thanks, sweetie!