Why the fascination with Kimmer?

[Trudi]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Umm...She still avocated that. That's why all the "maintenence" Work going on , on her site. She is getting rid of the evidence that was there and also in PM's she sent to people.

ETA: that's not going to save her butt because if an investigation goes on, that stuff can still be found, But...It won't be there for her current followers to see and question. Will it?

You're right -- if she suggested these things to people in PMs, that's an issue still. I'm just saying that this discussion blurs the lines between what Kimmer used to say here, and what the website (publicly) recommends -- and there are some differences.

[AllieCat0817]

My personal PMs from Kimmer had vanished. We had 3 interactions by PM: my request, her looking over my (Kimkins- perfect, 500/ calorie a day) fitday, then her recommendations. Her recommendations were this: eat fewer grams of protein and cut your calories. My average daily consumption at that time was between 400-600 calories, again, adhering 100% to kimkins standards-- with NO cheats.

THIS is what makes me sad. Please tell me this isn't true. Someone with a fitday showing 400-600 cals needs to cut protein and cals??? KIMOREXIA. hello.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Trudi

You're right -- if she suggested these things to people in PMs, that's an issue still. I'm just saying that this discussion blurs the lines between what Kimmer used to say here, and what the website (publicly) recommends -- and there are some differences.

Hey, we are on the same dang page.

That's why I want Accountablity!! There are people posting in this thread saying "The plan works" and I've lost weight etc. Yeah, but they were smart enough to "Glean" the good stuff and ditch the Kimorexia stuff. Who is going to look out for those who don't know how to do that?

That's why every other "Plan" that is out there is actually PUBLISHED in a book and has a real person who is accountable. They don't throw out crazy advice. Their plan is either created by a doctor or monitored by one. So, people don't get the crazy idea to do extremes from them. That's why there is proof of who they are, what they look like etc. Real names etc. They have nothing to hide. Kimmer has none of that. And to top it off, if you DARE question anything to make her accountable she goes nuts.

Why isn't her's in a book? Because the Offical plan is nothing more then stillmans and Atkins 72. She couldn't publish that. The "Side" Advice and posts she gives that are EXTREME...She would get into so much trouble with that.

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by flowerpower

Does anyone know what kind of business Kimkins is? A Corporation, LLC, etc??? I wonder if it is actually a legal business?

I searched the California database and nothing popped with any of the search terms entered - no entry for LLC or any type of corporation....leaves her way exposed personally if anyone or any agency does sue. From publically available information, it appears she is using a "Postal Annex" mailbox drop and I still haven't found local business (county, city) online databases in CA where business registrations would be available online.

[cqueen]

Good morning........

What I want to know is if WW even checks into these plans before publishing?

Kind of like selling a diet pill before it passes..........

[fluffybear2]

I have been reading the posts by people right here on LCF who do Kimkins, since I don't have access to the Kimkins website and what sticks out to me is that they seem to be using Kimkins as a crash diet and have not truly accepted low carb as a lifestyle eating plan. I won't name any names, but several people have said things like I ate cake and ice cream yesterday so I am back to Kimkins this week to lose weight or I have partyed for the last several weekends so now I am back to Kimkins to get the weight off, etc, etc. THAT is NOT what low carb should be about. Low carb is not only a mindset, but a lifestyle. I don't think some of these people including Jimmy Moore have gotten their heads wrapped around the principle of low carb eating.

[cqueen]

I did e-mail back yesterday with more questions for "her" and I haven't gotten a reply.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by cqueen

Good morning........

What I want to know is if WW even checks into these plans before publishing?

Kind of like selling a diet pill before it passes..........

Well, that "Is" what Catherine (her husband is posting about this on the SLAM site) tried to ask, WW. They have not responded to her at all.

[fluffybear2]

Originally Posted by cqueen

Good morning........

What I want to know is if WW even checks into these plans before publishing?

Kind of like selling a diet pill before it passes..........

I don't know but they published the FAT SMASH diet a week or two ago and put a health warning on it. Yikes!

[controlledcarb]

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Looks like more "maintenance" will be going on at Kimkins again tonight. More passwords reset.

So if she didn't block your access last night, maybe she'll get ya tonight!

The member count increased this morning too; yesterday it was 28,090 - this morning it's 28,310.....not bad to make $13,200 in a day, huh?

[cqueen]

My password was changed also. I did get a new one. I will not be going back there though.

[cqueen]

Someone under her name did post over there that the more we talk about it the more people are joining.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by fluffybear2

I have been reading the posts by people right here on LCF who do Kimkins, since I don't have access to the Kimkins website and what sticks out to me is that they seem to be using Kimkins as a crash diet and have not truly accepted low carb as a lifestyle eating plan. I won't name any names, but several people have said things like I ate cake and ice cream yesterday so I am back to Kimkins this week to lose weight or I have partyed for the last several weekends so now I am back to Kimkins to get the weight off, etc, etc. THAT is NOT what low carb should be about. Low carb is not only a mindset, but a lifestyle. I don't think some of these people including Jimmy Moore have gotten their heads wrapped around the principle of low carb eating.

That is true. If low carb is truly a lifestyle, you don't need to do Crash diets with it. You also cannot keep losing nor maintain eating Frankenfoods that you sub for the high Sugar or Starch Foods.

Believe me, I am a LONG time low carber and know this to be a fact.

When you don't change what you are doing (and don't learn from your poor choices) you gain and then you look for a quick fix.

That's the reason that people can't "Keep it off".

You truly have to learn how to eat "all over again" and start from scratch. Truly, Dr. A outlines this in his plan and books. The only problem is, (and he addresses this) One size does not fit all. What one person can eat at On going weight loss or at Maintanece is totally different from someone else. He tries to teach you how to do this for yourself...But bottom line, you DO have to do it for yourself and learn about your own body.

I have been at goal for a long while and I'm STILL learning. I never will be done learning. That's why it really "is" a lifestyle for me.

[IdreamofLean]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I searched the California database and nothing popped with any of the search terms entered - no entry for LLC or any type of corporation....leaves her way exposed personally if anyone or any agency does sue. From publically available information, it appears she is using a "Postal Annex" mailbox drop and I still haven't found local business (county, city) online databases in CA where business registrations would be available online.

I am not sure if this has been posted here or not-but below is a link to an interesting website. It was written by the DH of Kimmers former business partner. It refers to the business partnership she went into when she launched teh Kimkins site.

The top is the most recent- start from the bottom

Very interesting information AND it contains another picture of her in the blue sweater from classmates.com

http://www.slamboard.com/category/kimkins-diet/

HTH

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by cqueen

Someone under her name did post over there that the more we talk about it the more people are joining.

IF that were true, then she wouldn't have a problem refunding people's money because we did her a favor.

We also wouldn't have some of her "followers" still coming in here making comments.

Smell that?







I smell someone who is desperate.

[Asuka]

Originally Posted by cqueen

Someone under her name did post over there that the more we talk about it the more people are joining.

I seriously doubt that is true. I'm sure it's just another lie to keep up appearances.

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by cqueen

Someone under her name did post over there that the more we talk about it the more people are joining.

I don't believe it either - she's posting that hoping that we'll stop.

I'm quite sure wants us all to just go away.

[AllieCat0817]

Here are some posts on here by her about exercise:
No Exercise #1
No Exercise #2
Dont Exercise #3

I did find PLENTY of posts where she sounded pro-exercise although SHE just didn't do it.

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by Tooter

There are people posting in this thread saying "The plan works" and I've lost weight etc. Yeah, but they were smart enough to "Glean" the good stuff and ditch the Kimorexia stuff. Who is going to look out for those who don't know how to do that?

You hit the nail on the head. I applaud the folk that are doing it and it's working for them and they are taking the GOOD out of it and leaving the 'rexia' stuff behind.

[Trudi]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Here are some posts on here by her about exercise:
No Exercise #1
No Exercise #2
Dont Exercise #3

I did find PLENTY of posts where she sounded pro-exercise although SHE just didn't do it.

Good point --

And, another one is the "Diet Coke and laxatives" legend -- some people have said, "Kimkins is dangerous: any diet that recommends Diet Coke and laxatives is dangerous." Again, not disputing that she said she did Diet Coke and laxatives, or that it's dangerous -- but I still doubt that anybody now on her website has heard a Diet Coke and laxatives recommendation. We keep smooshing her history here with the current outline of the diet as her membership hears it.

Just fighting for clarity on exactly what is being objected to! Did she lie about her pics? good question. Are her success stories faked? good question. Let's just not complain about aspects of the diet that she isn't actually recommending. (But again, if she's recommending these things in PMs, that's a whole 'nother story . . .)

[JRo]

Originally Posted by Siggie

This is part of the disclaimer on the Kimkins site: "The information and materials on the website may contain errors or inaccuracies, including both typographical and substantive errors." - I guess this explains the PICS!

that's new. That wasn't there on the 9th

[HevinMonkey]

RightNow ~ Thank you for once again managing to condense the important issues down to a more manageable "report". I think some people, especially supporters of the persona behind the diet get confused on the issues - which is easy to do with the overabundance of info on this thread - but the point is there ARE many important issues, and yes, the diet itself, as those of us on LCF know it to be - is one of those issues. How many people that saw the magazine article have remembered Kimkins from these boards and have (or will) come back to this board to get the plan? They will be subject to the often extreme and unhealthy advice without the benefit of the "cleaned up" somewhat politically correct version that is apparently on her website. They will see what is here and take it to be The Plan - and why wouldn't they seeing that is what she told members here for years. Anyways, isn't that right threre deceptive? If what she supposedly lost all her weight on -which we would have no way of knowing without ever having seen her - is based on the plan/advice she gave for so long here on these forms, then what is the basis of her current plan on her website if not the basis of her own (albeit still unproven) success?

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by cqueen

Someone under her name did post over there that the more we talk about it the more people are joining.

I don't buy that .... and who's to say those numbers are accurate (members/guests/etc.) ..... By the way I wonder if she changed the numbers downward to show she kicked off a bunch of people...

Rightnow: I love reading your posts .... you have such a knack with summarizing - and so concise!

[flowerpower]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Hmmm I'm no attorney but you might have a case if you had previously printed out any PM's that were sent to you via Kimmer.

What I don't understand is how did I get a refund (without asking) and I joined when it was $14.95 and others who got in at the price can't get a refund. That's one to mention to the BBB.

The refund was forced on you so that if you pursued a case against Kimkins, as Kimmer implied by the fact your husband is an attorney, you received a full refund, so may be exempt from the process.

[flowerpower]

Originally Posted by controlledcarb

I searched the California database and nothing popped with any of the search terms entered - no entry for LLC or any type of corporation....leaves her way exposed personally if anyone or any agency does sue. From publically available information, it appears she is using a "Postal Annex" mailbox drop and I still haven't found local business (county, city) online databases in CA where business registrations would be available online.

Well, hopefully the Slamboard entries will clear this up. The business could be under an obscure name. I'm part owner in my Real Estate company. You wouldn't guess it was us by the name, when looking for it. But, it is public record and posted on the web in many places for someone that was specifically looking for it.

Maybe it will be the IRS that puts an end to all of this.